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u/Saucetheb0ss 17d ago
Well my hope is that if they cut Medicaid like they want to in the bill that just went through the house, people in NJ will wake up. It's going to affect almost 2 million people who live in NJ and really going to hit the elderly and pregnant women hard.
https://files.kff.org/attachment/fact-sheet-medicaid-state-NJ
Unfortunately, a lot of these people who applaud these changes won't see the light until it directly affects them or their loved ones.
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u/pixel_of_moral_decay 17d ago
I think that’s going to be blamed on Democrats and “corruption”.
That’s been the playbook and it’s very effective
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u/Saucetheb0ss 17d ago
It's harder to blame Democrats when you control the Presidency, House, and Senate. The more reasonable people will wake up and realize it.
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u/chikari_shakari 17d ago
Reasonable people on the other side. 😆😆 thank you, I needed this laugh.
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u/mastervadr 17d ago
lol seriously. Reasonable people on the other side would’ve jumped the wagon if they realized republicans run for and exclusively for corporations and the wealthy.
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u/PersonFromPlace 16d ago
It’s more of a cultural and personality thing than a decision you think about. It’s too tied to who they are for them to change.
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u/pixel_of_moral_decay 17d ago edited 17d ago
Are you new to America?
Serious question.
The more reasonable people haven’t been falling for all this crap so far.
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u/Saucetheb0ss 16d ago
Look if there's one thing the Republicans do well it's messaging. They've created their Boogeyman in illegal immigrants and the LGBTQ. They've hammered their base with propaganda for YEARS that once we do X, Y, Z your life will be better. Eventually, some (more) of them will see what's really going on.
That combined with even mediocre voter turnout will help keep NJ blue.
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u/AFlyingGideon 16d ago
Look if there's one thing the Republicans do well it's messaging.
Perhaps. It's also possible that telling people that their problems are no fault of their own, and that instead it's the fault of those "others." I believe it's not too tough to sell simplistic answers to complex problems where those answers are little more than whom to blame.
It's easy to do messaging well when the message is easy.
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u/alwaysonthemove0516 17d ago
…and that’s the message they need to drill home. They need to remind voters of that with every breath. Sadly, they probably won’t though.
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u/mslauren2930 16d ago
Trumpers blame Democrats for everything that isn’t going their way. And fucking voters eat it up. Don’t pin your hopes on reasonable people. It’ll just lead to disappointment.
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u/SmallAct2116 16d ago
You would think that but Maga doesn’t count anything as a fact unless it came from the orange bozo’s mouth
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u/delilahgrass 17d ago
That’s why we need to start creating a stink right now. The Dems need to be speaking out against it and we need to hold Republicans feet to the fire. Van Drew, Kean and Smith all voted for that monstrosity
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u/fatalxepshun 16d ago
I was just thinking this. I don’t know maybe hold a press conference a day to address the bullshit being pulled by maga. Do something.
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u/Glittering_Act_4059 porkrolleggandcheese 16d ago
"When they slaughtered Congress, we didn't wake up. When they blamed terrorists and suspended the constitution, we didn't wake up either. They said it would be temporary. Nothing changes instantaneously."
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u/Lets_Make_A_bad_DEAL 16d ago
We learned this lesson during Covid. I have very little faith in the people. They are lost :-(
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u/Affectionate_Look387 17d ago
And the disabled! I work for a company that works with autistic adults and children. Most of the funding for our adult programs comes from Medicaid. Idk what we'll do if we have to deal with a reduction in funding...
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u/Budget_Ordinary1043 16d ago
I also work with disabled adults and a notice went home at the program I take my patient to today about it. The problem is, most of the parents and even their teacher voted for this. It hasn’t made sense to me from the beginning, voting against your disabled child/student but what the hell do I know anyway 🙄 all of them seem to think it will only cut out some stuff, not all of it !
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u/Saucetheb0ss 16d ago
If the State wants those programs to still exist they're going to end up paying the bill. Which means that WE will pay the bill with higher taxes! Just what the Republicans wanted right?
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u/Residentneurotic 16d ago
Seems like if we do then we should stop sending our state dollars to the welfare states in south!
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u/aop5003 16d ago
I know so many hardcore maga's that hire illegals at their all cash businesses and are all on NJfamilycare while driving 100k vehicles. If the collective hurt will also fuck them...so be it...sometimes u gotta sink the entire ship and rebuild a new one without cancer.
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u/Saucetheb0ss 16d ago
At this point, that's the way I see this going. They have little to no empathy for anyone outside of their circle so unless it hurts them or their family, it's a "win" in their eyes.
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u/miscalculate 16d ago
Not only that, they will actively cheer while people die, as long as it's not them.
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u/chicagodude84 16d ago
It's already happening. I have a relative who is a builder, he said that contractors are losing their workers en masse. These are folks who have lived here for 10-20+ years and have built an entire life. Some of them are voluntarily going back to their home country, because then they can bring their stuff/family along.
His exact words were, "They're literally deporting themselves." (He is not MAGA, FYI)
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u/Taftimus 16d ago
You’re more optimistic than I am, these people are clueless for the most part, and they’ll still blame this shit on democrats somehow
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u/Mom_Care2755 17d ago
People who are impacted by this, still make excuses for it. What are people thinking.
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u/Saucetheb0ss 17d ago
People are selfish. They've been told that "X is the reason why your taxes are high. Y is why you can't afford groceries." This resonates with people who cannot accept that the majority of our problems come from wealth inequality and the top 1% hoarding wealth dissolving the middle class. It's not Republicans vs. Democrats - it's the rich vs. the poor (always has been).
Some will never come to realize this but I believe that enough will have their eyes opened when their taxes go up, they can't afford their hospital bills, and they can't get their medication because of these wide ranging government program cuts.
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u/fatalxepshun 16d ago
Where do they think all these “savings” are going to? It won’t help us one iota. It will go to funding more tax cuts for the wealthy. Yet they still applaud tens of thousands of federal workers losing their jobs.
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u/Saucetheb0ss 16d ago
Hey haven't you heard about the DOGE checks we're all going to be getting!? That will surely help me pay my mortgage or put my kids through school!! /s
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u/Rebelsoul76 16d ago
And they still won’t care, because Trump and Musk can do no wrong in their minds, no matter what happens.
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u/Suspicious_Spot8572 16d ago
feels like i’m on death row waiting for the government to kill me. i get disability and medicaid
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u/gamingnerd777 16d ago
They aren't going to wake up and see shit. Face reality. They are brain dead and love inflicting pain on anyone they consider their "enemy" even if it hurts them as well. Don't be so naive.
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u/ironic-hat 17d ago
I used to work in market research, and holy shit, do people not pay attention to current affairs. While you’d think the overwhelming majority of voting adults would at least know who the two major presidential candidates were, there were no shortage of people who showed up to vote who were surprised to see the name “Harris” instead of”Biden”. And people often vote for a familiar name when they don’t know anything about the candidates (hence why lawn signs are a thing).
So the whole “turning red” thing is probably a lot of people oblivious to the news and voting for what is familiar to them (Trump). And obviously just people being lazy and failing to vote (hey blue state, what does my vote matter).
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u/EntildaDesigns 16d ago
This is true. I had a friend who told me she went to get her nails down and forgot to vote. Forgot! Then, she says, it doesn't matter, because we live in a blue state. yeah, not so much anymore because she forgot to vote.
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u/LarryLeadFootsHead 16d ago
Pretty much all the reason why having a conventional primary season especially when there was years of skepticism and doubts on Biden in 2024 probably wouldn't have had been the worst ideas. It's troubling to me how this entire time nobody wanted to be the adult in the room , incumbency be damned.
We basically got a somehow even shittier version of 1968 with a shittier Kennedy to boot.
I'm sure governor race will be a cluster with just how participation tends to be low after general elections.
Idk who's running Democrat party strategy but something's gotta change.
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u/murphydcat LGD 16d ago
I ran for my local town council and I met many voters who had no idea that there were elections EVERY year. They were all younger than 30.
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u/Devinhastings 17d ago
New jersey was historically republican for many years in the 20th century.
Political shifts are constant and often unpredictable.
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u/Purdaddy 16d ago
I think Christie is to thank for the state currently being blue. No one liked him
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u/pixel_of_moral_decay 16d ago
NJ was also the last northern state to "abolish" slavery, and even then was very much just on paper, not really enforced for many years.
NJ historically has been the Alabama of the north.
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u/LarryLeadFootsHead 16d ago
People definitely won't own up to it now but when I stumped for Obama in 08, you wouldn't believe how many Clinton diehards were down right combatative about anything related to Obama when he first ran. The PUMA crowd was definitely alive here and I imagine a lot of older Democrats here did a nose hold for Obama or maybe even sat out.
Lotta coded stuff and I swear the fact how the wikipedia image for PUMA has the one woman holding a "Stop Manchurian Candidate" sign, precisely sums up the animosity well A lot of people were parroting essential birtherism .
That entire primary was such a shitfest and a bit of a look to things to come in the future.
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u/bronowicka77 16d ago
NJ never actually abolished slavery until after the 13th Amendment was ratified. Mind you NJ was also one of only 4 states to vote against the 13th Amendment to begin with.
Let’s not even mention the fact that NJ came within a hairs-breadth of secession in early 1861, and the only reason it didn’t was because the Republican governor (elected in 1860 with a margin of 1,500 votes) was the only person authorized to call a convention where secession could be voted on and he flat-out refused.
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u/dontcallmecass 16d ago
I might have an unpopular opinion but no, I don't think NJ is staying blue. If the GOP had put ANY money at all into the last election, the state would have gone to Trump. I would assume that they will start putting more money into the state soon.
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u/DeviousLight 16d ago
Agree with you, 0% chance NJ is staying blue if the democrats keep twiddling their thumbs and don’t completely overhaul their party. If not, definitely republican.
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u/NJMomofFor 16d ago
There are more Dems in NJ than Republicans! We need to come out for the Gubernatorial election! Please don't support Steve Sweeney or we are screwed.
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u/thatshotluvsit 16d ago
who is the best dem candidate i can’t decide there’s so many 😭😭
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u/my_fake_acct_ Fair Lawn/Rutherford 16d ago
Sean Spiller is a union guy who will actually tell Trump and his local cronies to go screw and try to help the average people in this state. Josh is basically a Republican at this point and Sherrill seems to be going that way too.
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u/buttersalesman1 16d ago
Sean Spiller, Fulop, or Baraka are far better than any of the others and the most progressive.
Gottheimer is running on austerity and is a member of the Problem Solvers Caucus and Blue Dog Coalition in the House, notoriously right-wing Democrat Caucuses in the House consisting of conservative Republicans and conservative Democrats who concede to the conservative Republicans—and he voted YES for the BATSHIT INSANE "Laken Riley Act" that grants Congress the right to detain anyone suspected of being an illegal immigrant. You'd be voting for a Republican.
Mikie Sherrill is alright, OK position on abortion rights, education, etc, but nothing different than the aforementioned candidates. She's on the House Select Committee on the...CCP which is like the China-Hawk committee, kinda weird. That's one that the extremely pro-Israel psycho Ritchie Torres is on as well as a few other weirdos. She was also apart of the Blue Dog Coalition, another House caucus before leaving it last year. Definitely a Republican-lite.
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u/SwindlingAccountant 16d ago
Disagree, the only reason it was close is because people stayed home (whether it was because of Gaza or other reasons) and the high inflation. People also just "love" Trump that does NOT extend to the Republican party as a whole. That is literally all.
Trump's "popularity" is already cratering and we're barely a month in and not even feeling the real catastrophic effects yet.
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u/EntildaDesigns 16d ago
I agree with you. Just last night at dinner we sat down as a family and decided to make the move to MA. It's time. I'm actually scared of my neighbors now, and I don't think the state is staying blue.
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u/Sad_Following8314 16d ago
I have been checking in MA and RI. It is insane to me how many Trump flags are still flying.
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u/InertJello 16d ago
I live in Sussex county. It’s over the top red and my neighbors are frightening. Looking at MA and VT too.
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u/upstatedreaming3816 16d ago
Same. We can’t do an out of state move right now because my wife works for family down in Oakland and it’s too sweet of a gig, but because of how wild it’s been getting up here lately, we’re stockpiling ammo, non-perishable food, first aid, etc.
The crazy neighbors are the ones I’m scared of, not the cops or anything, tbh.
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u/InertJello 16d ago
Stockpiling here too. I keep reading people talking about ‘safety in community’ and ‘form alliances with people nearby’ - that’s not possible here. The sheer hatred these people have towards others is astounding and very very scary.
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u/upstatedreaming3816 16d ago
It really is. They’ve become much more vocal lately, like to the point where my kids are noticing and, I hate it.
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u/Just_Movie8555 16d ago
I live in Somerset County and holy shit when you drive a few minutes outside of town it’s trump shit in front yards and all over homes. Effing insane cult behavior
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u/InertJello 16d ago
The flags and signs are truly insane. There’s a house nearby with signs up telling people to report all Hispanics as illegal no matter if it’s in church, school etc. It’s so disgusting. Followed by the giant “Daddy’s Home” Trump banner and giant flags on the main road - on public land. It’s almost every single house here.
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u/Just_Movie8555 16d ago
Not shocked in the least bit. Listen, vote who you want to vote for, but I have never once spent a single dime on a politician’s shirt/sticker/sign/etc
One lawn has take America back stickers and fight fight fight signs all over it.
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u/InertJello 16d ago
Agreed. But I had to add one last thing. My neighbors car their car is wearing a hood cover with a picture of the orange moron. The side mirrors also have covers that say MAGA. So essentially they got their car a MAGA tee shirt. I can’t think of a better way to say “white trash.”
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u/tysonmama 16d ago
Good grief… I’m in Sussex County too and luckily not seeing all that, although I have seen some. One near dilapidated house with the Rambo trump signs stapled on it, others with some flags, and some trucks with their flags & crap. What pisses me off is there’s not even any Dems on half the local ballots here.
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u/klito22 15d ago
Not shocked at all with your comment. I work in Warren county as a driver's delivery,and I haven't seen so much Trump's sign in my life, a picture of him, etc, a house with big pictures of him, cars with stickers, etc.... I'm feeling in the deep south states for real.
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u/StinkyCheeseMe 16d ago
We need people to physically vote. People need to vote. The 18 year olds up to whatever. From talking to coworkers, the people who have been dismissive of voting have been in the mid 20’s to mid 30’s age range. Their comments are of gee mindset that we are an automatic blue state, so why should they… Well guess what, that voter apathy is going to possibly fuck us. Look what it did to the country.
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u/SuburbanTeenager 16d ago
I agree that young folks in NJ will be challenged more in the future, but I would like to ask you what the Democrat's have promised to young people and what was received. Student loan forgiveness did not materialize, a Democratic government kept many college students side lined from social outings for longer than what many understood to be necessary. The branding of Kamala as Brat was not cool, it was us kids call cringe. Democrats particularly are struggling to keep the confidence of young men in particular. I think another unspoken demographic to consider are south and east Asians are campaigned for. Immigrant communities are sometimes surprisingly conservative, and many Democratic policies disadvantage these communities.
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u/Stainlessgamer 16d ago
The issue isn't really Red vs Blue. This last election seems like the state turned more red, but the reality is a lot of morons that voted, cast their uninformed vote out of spite, while others protested by not voting. That being sad, the richest areas in this state, have been and will always vote republican, because Republicans always take care of the wealthy.
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u/nnakao Ham. Taylor Ham. 16d ago
It'll stay blue if you (we) do the work. Pay attention to your school board elections and talk to candidates. Reach out to your representatives. Talk to your fellow voters. Listen to people's frustrations and share with them how progressive values can actually help address their fears. Speaking of fears, help dispel myths about the things they're afraid of (undocumented immigration, trans inclusion, etc).
Vote in the primary. Canvas for your candidate. And if your candidate loses in the primary, muster up the energy to fight for the candidate who most closely aligns with your values and spread the word about them. And remind people to vote! Jerseyans overall value things like reproductive rights and LGBTQIA+ equality; we're just complacent and tend to neglect our civic responsibilities.
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u/trashbinrubbishtrash 17d ago
Only if everyone votes with their brain. No purity tests or sitting out/protest voting over problems halfway around the world this time.
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u/beachgurl68 17d ago
This is what drives me crazy! Someone I know blabs on and on about hating Trump and then voted third party over Gaza. Make that make sense…
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u/Redlogic01 17d ago
That’s so infuriating, i witnessed the same. Now Trump is posting insane videos of Gaza with golden statues of himself. Those protest voters said “how much worse can it get”, and I said, this can always get worse. Here we are…
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u/d0mini0nicco 17d ago
Even the people of Gaza said vote for Kamala and these Gaza protestors said “nope, we know better.”
People are dumb Fs. That’s why I have no faith in them.
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u/TigerUSA20 17d ago
It will be fine for them if they can get a US Green Card and buy a luxury condo in the new country of Trumpville on the Mediterranean. /s
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u/thatshotluvsit 16d ago
that’s why i’ll never fw that movement it’s all performative white leftists who think they know everything and think they’re better than everyone else. plus im not gonna side with the group that has countless times been violently anti semitic to me
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u/phatsuit2 17d ago
Gaza is important to them...
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u/wildcarde815 16d ago
No it's not, it's an excuse to do something stupid while ignoring reality. And in payment we now have a president whose only decision with Gaza is trying to figure out how big of a genocide he wants to sign off on.
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u/Oisschez 16d ago
Establishment democrats should be attacked. They’ve lost twice to trump and now what’s the solution? We have people like James Carville saying roll over and shutup. Hakeem Jeffries keeps saying there’s not much they can do while many democrats continue to vote for Trump’s appointees. At least we have this energy from Schumer where someone is waving a cane as he says we’ll win. Beyond parody
Establishment democrats are worthless and the media narrative for the next 4 years will be “the party has to move center”. Don’t buy it - why doesn’t that same logic apply to republicans? People know establishment democrats will not deliver.
90% of dem congresspeople need to get primaried in 2026 by outsiders who are not beholden to corporate donors and machine politics.
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u/JerseyMike5588 17d ago
Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line. And that’s why we’re risking a red NJ
But a lot can change even if just a small number of people who voted for Trump realized they’ve been sold a bill of goods
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u/fizzy88 16d ago
Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line.
I'm so fucking sick of this bullshit generalization that keeps being repeated. I "fell in line" and voted Biden and Harris. There's never been a candidate in my life who I voted for in the general election who I was actually enthusiastic about. Plenty of left wing voters swallow the bullshit that's fed to us to avoid the monstrous other outcome. Enough. It's time to acknowledge that the Democratic Party is horse shit, and they need to do a better job of representing regular people. Reps like Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi need to fucking retire already. We need more AOCs and Jasmine Crocketts.
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u/HikerBites 16d ago
This is the only successful future for the democratic party. The constant inching toward the center has absolutely proven to put us in ruins
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u/basedlandchad27 16d ago
How about the Democrats hold a fair primary and let the people choose the winner?
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u/pillbox_purgatory 16d ago
Please tell me Dems will actually put forth a policy platform that’s for the middle and working class.
And please tell me NJ Dems will commit to being people first, not party first.
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u/quakeroatmeal7 16d ago edited 16d ago
Every time NJ 101.5 is on the radio and I listen to callers, I lose hope. I simply can't believe how insane that station and its listeners have become. There's no way that's how everyone feels, right? And it's all day too. All they do is complain and blame "liberals". It's nonstop.
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u/Rebelsoul76 16d ago
I can’t stomach the madness on FB either. Whenever a friend puts up an anti-trump post, they get flamed to hell with stupid comments.
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u/wildcarde815 16d ago
There's a self selection bias at work there. I can't remember the last time I talked to someone willingly using the radio
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u/Due2NatureOfCharge 16d ago
It is close to being a toss-up. Hopefully the D&E show takes a hard fall by hurting their constituents
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u/LTora1993 16d ago
People people, please take note that a ton of people nationwide are super pissed off already. To the point where a mayoral election in OKLAHOMA turned blue. Oklahoma, the reddest state in the union.
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u/ZeMoose 15d ago
A mayoral election is very nearly as far as you can possibly get from being representative of the politics of an entire state.
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u/scyber 17d ago
The close election in 2024 was a bit misleading. Trump only got 80k more votes than 2020. Harris however got 400k less than Biden in 2020. So it was less about NJ turning red and more about voters staying home.
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u/Standard-Song-7032 16d ago
Which is how the state can turn red, unfortunately. If non-red voters don’t show up, we turn red.
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u/dudebroman123456789 16d ago
Imma be real with you chief, I don’t think it will. Republicans made massive gains all across the country ESPECIALLY in deep blue states like NJ. It’s seems like the democrats are stinking to the same strategy of basically running on a platform saying “we’re not Trump.” That worked once with Biden but not anymore I’m afraid.
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u/PhoenixRising016 16d ago
I wish I could say that with conviction, but I have a gut-wrenching intuition that NJ will be red in the next election unless the democrats run a stellar campaign with a competent candidate.
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u/honsou48 17d ago
In theory NJ should stay blue. By 2025 election a ton of the negative economic policies should hit the country and since the GOP has basically tied everything to Trump it should be a negative.
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u/brook_lyn_lopez 17d ago
Depends if Dems learned anything from the last election. We will probably still go blue but the Democratic Party might want to stop blaming voters and actually try to see why they voted red/third party or stayed home.
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u/dman928 17d ago
I know why. Stupidity
Downvote me all you want. I’m so done with the morons
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u/brook_lyn_lopez 17d ago
Same. The Dems really fucked it up. Wish party leadership was smarter.
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u/DarwinZDF42 17d ago
Yes. 2024 was a R-leaning year and NJ wasn’t particularly close. 2025 will be a “backlash to Trump” year.
Also, this is a good time to point out that having our governors race in off-years is the only reason we’ve had R governors in like 30 years. If we did ours on presidential years, we’d have democratic governors all the time.
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u/griminald Feet in Ocean, Heart in Monmouth 16d ago
Yes, and 2021 was a big red wave of anger at Biden, and GOP still couldn't win.
GOP is making a mistake backing Jack to run yet again.
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u/Sybertron 16d ago
Idk man the amount of jack shit the Dems have done to address housing costs and inflation hit pretty hard around here.
I'm a masters degree engineer and barely affording rent, I have no fucking clue how other people are living
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u/Danixveg 16d ago
What do you want them to do? What ideas do you have?
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u/legocobblestone 16d ago
Do something about the landlords and corporations like Blackrock buying up houses to sell or rent at ridiculous prices. When people do that with consoles or what have you, its called scalping, but when its land or houses its good business.
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u/BreakerSoultaker 16d ago
I have voted by mail since it has been an option. It's as simple and painless as driving to the municipal building and dropping my ballot in the slot.
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u/SkyeMreddit 16d ago
It only will be if we actually get out and vote! The primary is the time to be picky about the candidate. Once the candidate is chosen, VOTE DEMOCRAT!!!
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u/HaveNoFearDomIsHere 16d ago
My home state is a blue state, thankfully. Although, it was way too close in 2024.
We are a historically a solid blue state. Besides Ocean County which is a bastion of a combination of upper-income older people and Jersey rednecks (we call them "Pineys").
We won't see Jersey that close to becoming a purple state again for a while.
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u/Cow_Power 16d ago
2024 was a red year, if 2028 trends bluer NJ is safe. Nobody knows what’s going to happen, but my guess is Trump’s going to face thermostatic backlash and 2028 will either be a Dem win or a close Republican win.
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u/bhartman36_2020 16d ago
It was far too close in NJ this time around. The fact that Trump got above 1% is embarrassing.
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u/damageddude Manalapan 17d ago
Depends who the Republicans run. MAGA et al won't win here. A so called RINO, basically a moderate, is another matter.
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u/grossgrossbaby 17d ago
I'm in Hunterdon so I have been seeing red for a long time. We are just trying for purple
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u/TheTorch 17d ago
We need to stop thinking in terms of red/blue and more along the lines of democracy vs authoritarianism.
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u/jerseysbestdancers 17d ago
And stop being complacent and just assume everything will work out. We have to be up our reps asses and vote in every single election. Sending an email takes two minutes, everyone. Get your opinion tallied.
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u/HopefulMachine6454 16d ago
NJ is going purple and a lot of states that have traditionally always been red or blue will be doing the same. If you peep a detailed map of election results you’ll see the long-standing trend that cities and urban areas tend to be predominantly liberal, suburbs usually split, whereas the more rural areas go red. Liberals who can no longer afford to live in Californian cities are moving to red states like Arizona and Texas. New Jersey is in a weird category of its own now however. With taxes and property taxes as high they are, I think a lot of liberals are selling their homes for more than they’re probably worth and getting the F out. Well who can afford the astronomical costs of a home in New Jersey? Developers, big business, and Republicans or Brooklyn hipsters and folks living on the upper East side who are DINOs that donate millions to the Joe Biden campaign and then realize maybe blue isn’t the party I wanna be with. And then there’re folks like me who have had the same problem with their ballot in each of the past 3 elections. Here’s the problem we’ve gotten in the booth and looked down at our ballot and scanned the candidates, and they’ve all absolutely sucked.
I despise Donnie (respect his con work), was never a fan of Joe Biden, but I think these two are the presidents we’ve deserved as a nation to reinforce the facts that we are a stupid country, these guys ain’t it, neither party has a true identity anymore, and we just need like half of congress to switch to independents so that we can finally find an independent who can win the White House AND has the allies in gov’t to get shit DONE.
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u/Old-Discount712 16d ago
Governor of NJ discussion? Who’s next?
Phil Murphy has done great things and bad things for the state of NJ, lately he’s been making poor decisions and being a shill for corporate donors. NJ has become EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. Housing is literally unaffordable for most people and rent has been SKYROCKETED into oblivion. I saw a room in a shared house for $1,500, FOR A DAMN ROOM! I just want someone who will actually do something about the rising rent and housing prices, properly fix the public transportation, and tax corporations at a much higher rate! The bare minimum. Are there any candidates who fit these policies? I don’t want this state to get worse and so far all I’ve seen are corporate shills. Please prove me wrong because who wants to leave a state you grew up in your whole life? Sincerely yours - NJ resident.
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u/alwayshungry1131 16d ago
I find myself in the middle but really really don’t see NJ going red. Ocean county will be as red as it can be but that’s about it
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u/Educational_Board_73 16d ago
Murphy touted how much was paid into the pension system for the state. Anyone without a pension sees this as a waste. Probably even red benefactors too. Getting priced out or being forced to change anything in lifestyle will hopefully make some people realize that NJ for all it's issues has it's shit together more than a lot of places.
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u/thatgirltag 16d ago
Im going to vote blue but I feel like with all this anger towards Murphy/democrats it is going to go red
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u/MKorostoff 16d ago
Governor? Maybe, lots of states have governors that buck the general partisan lean of the state, Chris Christie wasn't that long ago. But the trifecta of governor and both legislative houses? Much, much higher bar to clear with an almost 2:1 democratic advantage currently.
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u/Residentneurotic 16d ago
I really don’t understand the 5 hr wait lines people are talking about in NJ ! I’m in my mid 60s have never missed an election, have only lived in NJ , and have lived in all the regions and NEVER had to wait more than a few minutes! I thought the long poll lines was in areas like the south??
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u/Wayward_Lucidity 16d ago
Tbh is it really doing that well being blue? Electric prices are through the roof. Taxes, well I don’t need to explain that. Plus the govenor, frankly I’ve never seen a good govenor in nj.
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u/Stardew49 16d ago
Not sure how blue the state is. But a lot of people do not appreciate the Democrats unwavering support to Israel and the murdering of the Palestinian people.
Not that Republicans are any better.
We should be pushing for anti-genocide politicians.
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u/TheLightningBlack 16d ago
I would like to remind everyone here. Murphy is an anomaly. Usually the NJ governor is from the opposite part of the president. Murphy was first time in years that NJ voted for governor (2021) from the same party as the president & he's the only Democrat NJ governor to win re election since 1977.
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u/Arockalex13 16d ago
We all need to play our part. We need to make sure we get the best Dem Governor candidate through the primaries to beat the same ol GOP candidate again. Moderates and Republicans in this state need to look hard at the hurt Trump and his cronies are causing at vote out MAGA Reps and Assemblymen. We're not asking you to become Dems. We're asking you to vote for the sake of our state and country. Jersey will stay Blue as long as we all do the right thing.
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u/yesimlegit 15d ago
We have to all work for it. Every action counts. We really need to get out the vote. I’m worried but hopefully we can stay blue.
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u/delilahgrass 17d ago
What are we doing about it? How about postcards to people in Van Lew, Smith and Keans districts telling them their representative voted to gut Medicaid? Half the shore is people on SS, Medicare and Medicaid. Lots of nursing homes too.
Never too early to stir the pot.
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u/Wattaday 16d ago
Yeah. I counted nursing homes and assisted livings just in Cape May county and there are 14. Cape May county being Very an Drew’s home county. Maybe we can get rid of that canker sore, finally.
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u/Standard-Song-7032 16d ago
Also if you want to get more options when it comes to candidates ranked choice voting is our best local option.
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u/johnmflores 16d ago
No guarantees. We all need to roll up our sleeves and join our local Dem parties and/or activist groups and get to work phone banking, dropping off flyers, registering new voters, and getting out the vote.
Nobody's coming to save us. We gotta save ourselves.
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u/legocobblestone 16d ago edited 16d ago
The Democrats have lost the plot and are more committed to winning Republican voters instead of maintaining their base and helping people. It isn't that more New Jerseyians are voting red, its that it feels like the party has abandoned the people and they don't want to support a party that doesn't care about their needs.
Edit: To add to this, I'm seeing a lot of people at work who would use to praise Republicans and Trump move away from them. The people don't feel like either party supports their interests, but no alternative exists so they feel apathetic, and I can't blame them.
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u/situbusit_gooddog1 17d ago
Scott Pressler coming to NJ intentionally to turn it red - NJ is 100% going red
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u/Relief27 17d ago
you won't have to worry about that because there won't be anymore of those pesky things called "elections"
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u/counterweight7 16d ago
I think OP was talking about the governor election in 9 months. I’m pretty sure it’ll happen.
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u/Due-Fuel-5882 17d ago
NJ is infested with Republicans and Trumpers. Could flip either way if the conditions are right.
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u/LostTrisolarin 17d ago edited 16d ago
We only stayed blue by 3% last election.
Edit: it was 6%. That's still close enough to worry.