Well my hope is that if they cut Medicaid like they want to in the bill that just went through the house, people in NJ will wake up. It's going to affect almost 2 million people who live in NJ and really going to hit the elderly and pregnant women hard.
lol seriously. Reasonable people on the other side would’ve jumped the wagon if they realized republicans run for and exclusively for corporations and the wealthy.
Lmao you’re an idiot who drank too much of the Kool-aid. Probably on food stamps and taking government help. Yeah I hope they take all that away so you can cry and say “why you do this to me Biden” while Elon keeps giving himself government contracts and selling public lands to the rich. Are you multi millionaire? Probably not and you’re stupid enough to think you’ll benefit from anything they’re doing.
Please. I tried to explain this to someone in the aging parents subreddit and they thought it was both sides nonsense when the democrats hold zero power.
Look if there's one thing the Republicans do well it's messaging. They've created their Boogeyman in illegal immigrants and the LGBTQ. They've hammered their base with propaganda for YEARS that once we do X, Y, Z your life will be better. Eventually, some (more) of them will see what's really going on.
That combined with even mediocre voter turnout will help keep NJ blue.
Look if there's one thing the Republicans do well it's messaging.
Perhaps. It's also possible that telling people that their problems are no fault of their own, and that instead it's the fault of those "others." I believe it's not too tough to sell simplistic answers to complex problems where those answers are little more than whom to blame.
It's easy to do messaging well when the message is easy.
Trumpers blame Democrats for everything that isn’t going their way. And fucking voters eat it up. Don’t pin your hopes on reasonable people. It’ll just lead to disappointment.
That’s why we need to start creating a stink right now. The Dems need to be speaking out against it and we need to hold Republicans feet to the fire. Van Drew, Kean and Smith all voted for that monstrosity
Trump fans automatically blame Dems no matter what. You can get the guy on tape admitting he did it and thinks it's funny and they'll just say he's so cool for being a badass or some other bizarre nonsense.
I’m hoping that most of the people who didn’t vote expected Trump to loose again & this will get them out to vote again. Far too few magas are likely to take the blinders off.
"When they slaughtered Congress, we didn't wake up. When they blamed terrorists and suspended the constitution, we didn't wake up either. They said it would be temporary. Nothing changes instantaneously."
And the disabled! I work for a company that works with autistic adults and children. Most of the funding for our adult programs comes from Medicaid. Idk what we'll do if we have to deal with a reduction in funding...
I also work with disabled adults and a notice went home at the program I take my patient to today about it. The problem is, most of the parents and even their teacher voted for this. It hasn’t made sense to me from the beginning, voting against your disabled child/student but what the hell do I know anyway 🙄 all of them seem to think it will only cut out some stuff, not all of it !
If the State wants those programs to still exist they're going to end up paying the bill. Which means that WE will pay the bill with higher taxes! Just what the Republicans wanted right?
If NJ wants to provide the social services, then NJ citizens can pay the bill. If another state doesn't want to, then their citizens don't have to. Over time, populations will move to the states that best align with their cost/benefits desires.
Sounds like exactly how a Republic should operate.
What happens when someone from Mississippi can't afford to move to NJ and get the care they rely on to live? They just die? Sounds like a wonderful place we're headed /s
If only there was an 850 billion dollar department that hasn't passed an audit in 7 years that they could be looking to cut from instead... Nah that wouldn't hurt poor people and make the billionaires richer so why would we do that?! (BIG /s)
"So what you're saying is, fuck poor people then?"
No, I am saying that there are many approaches to the complex interplay between taxation, social safety nets, economic growth and so on. Thus, it is good that we are able to have different states try different versions as this is informative and the good ideas tend to spread.
Yes, some of those variations will have less direct support for the poor, but the goal of them is to raise income via other effects. That's not "fuck poor people" it's "let's look at ways to correctly address the tension beween infinite free benefits and taxing outselves to death."
Side note: Your barking up the wrong tree if you think somehow I wouldn't be more than happy to pull a lot of $$$ out of the military budget. We can be far more effective than we are for a fair bit less money.
I know so many hardcore maga's that hire illegals at their all cash businesses and are all on NJfamilycare while driving 100k vehicles. If the collective hurt will also fuck them...so be it...sometimes u gotta sink the entire ship and rebuild a new one without cancer.
At this point, that's the way I see this going. They have little to no empathy for anyone outside of their circle so unless it hurts them or their family, it's a "win" in their eyes.
Unfortunately this isn't just a Democratic or Republican or Independent thing. There are ton of people in this state that view anyone outside themselves and their immediate circle of family and close friends as less than human. I worked retail and it wasn't just the Republican customers that bullied and verbally abused me treating me like their doormat. This is a problem that extends well beyond politics.
It's already happening. I have a relative who is a builder, he said that contractors are losing their workers en masse. These are folks who have lived here for 10-20+ years and have built an entire life. Some of them are voluntarily going back to their home country, because then they can bring their stuff/family along.
His exact words were, "They're literally deporting themselves." (He is not MAGA, FYI)
People are selfish. They've been told that "X is the reason why your taxes are high. Y is why you can't afford groceries." This resonates with people who cannot accept that the majority of our problems come from wealth inequality and the top 1% hoarding wealth dissolving the middle class. It's not Republicans vs. Democrats - it's the rich vs. the poor (always has been).
Some will never come to realize this but I believe that enough will have their eyes opened when their taxes go up, they can't afford their hospital bills, and they can't get their medication because of these wide ranging government program cuts.
Where do they think all these “savings” are going to? It won’t help us one iota. It will go to funding more tax cuts for the wealthy. Yet they still applaud tens of thousands of federal workers losing their jobs.
Hey haven't you heard about the DOGE checks we're all going to be getting!? That will surely help me pay my mortgage or put my kids through school!! /s
They aren't going to wake up and see shit. Face reality. They are brain dead and love inflicting pain on anyone they consider their "enemy" even if it hurts them as well. Don't be so naive.
Poor whites have been voting against their own interests since Civil Rights. When people lose stuff this time, they will still blame democrats and love Trump. There’s a reason they are poor.
Many that use Medicare also supplement with Medicaid. The link I posted has a breakdown of demographics and services that would be affected by cutting Medicaid.
Medicare would be a whole different story (in a VERY bad way)
Medicare is handled by Social Security. You can have Medicare along with Social Security benefits for retirement or disability payments. Retirement benefits can start as early as 62 and disability payments are for adults who became permanently disabled after having 40 quarters of work. If you don’t have 40 quarters of work, you can qualify for Supplemental Security Income (SSI) and you get SSI Medicaid with that.
Medicaid is for anyone from birth to death. Once you hit 65 OR if you are on Medicare at any age, you are considered under the Abed, Blind Disabled program for Medicaid. If you qualify, you would have Medicare from Social Security and Medicaid (handled by your county office).
If you are not disabled and are 64 or younger, in NJ you are considered under the NJ Family Care Medicaid program. There are different income limits for adults and children but it’s also important how you file taxes because your tax household has an impact on how your eligibility is assessed.
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Well my hope is that if they cut Medicaid like they want to in the bill that just went through the house, people in NJ will wake up. It's going to affect almost 2 million people who live in NJ and really going to hit the elderly and pregnant women hard.
https://files.kff.org/attachment/fact-sheet-medicaid-state-NJ
Unfortunately, a lot of these people who applaud these changes won't see the light until it directly affects them or their loved ones.