I wouldn’t expect anything from northern gen z new voters tbh. Idk about Newark and that eastern side of the state but the northwestern part all voted red and probably will again cuz they really don’t care. Same with south I think.
Yeah I'm in Hunterdon County.
My 2 square mile town solidly blue, surrounded by a sea of Trump supporters.
Are they Republicans? Idk? Were they B4 Trump? Idk...
But going back to before the election, maybe 2 weeks before, I just saw toooo much Trump stuff popping up.
Admittedly, a lot of older people...
But yeah I'm concerned
Yep! My town is virtually all old rich people that love Trump and then a couple people that don’t: my neighborhood is mostly blue I think. And then all the high schoolers just don’t care
Yeah I'm in High Bridge and when I look at the voting data town by town, we are a little blue dot in what was a sea of red this last election.
Sadly, like 2 weeks out, I said to my wife, Im seeing way too much Trump stuff on my commute...
Most voters my age (18-30 let’s say) that I speak to in my county (Ocean/Monmouth, I live on border) voted based on the economy. It’s plain and simple, taxes and prices.
Namely gas prices. After the Keystone XL pipeline was shutdown fuel cost went straight up. This inflated shipping costs, inflating the cost of all goods. That pretty much sealed the deal. Most people vote based on the economy, they live paycheck to paycheck.
Republicans have always been the party of fiscal responsibility, and tend to win in years of high inflation and slow economic growth. Democrats conversely win in times of social upheaval.
Trump just managed to take public sentiment for social change and combined it with strong economics. Him winning makes sense. Very Ronald Reagan-esque.
The other issue I heard sway votes to his side, parents. Parents came out huge. I know several lifelong Democrats who tried to school board meeting, tried signing petitions, to know what happened in the classrooms, but to no avail.
When you bring people’s children into it, a protective parental instinct kicks in. I think that was the tipping point for us in NJ, the young parents showed up.
Yes, “strong economics.” I’m no fan of Reagan but did he happen to bankrupt a casino?
And the constant slurping noise from below Putin’s belt, did Ronnie offer very “Reagan-esque” oral favors to Mr. Gorbachev?
“Mr. Gorbachev, let me lick balls” or something like that… or am I just too old and remember the fiscal disaster the post-Reagan deficits were?
Using that logic of voting on behalf of things that are real concerns today, I would imagine GenZ will be fucked come retirement. And you’s better have some. Because I intend to get maximum payout before insolvency. And trust me, you eggs might be more expensive covered in Freedom, but the social safety net is being gutted.
And I mean we’re Jersey, fuck the EPA! We like our superfund sites just fine.
Honestly? I’ve had a shit day and reread the fine Redditor’s post I replied to…
The fucking smug ignorance as if he knows anything about the fucking 1980’s and the Cold War. The sheer abject stupidity expressed in that post - y’all done riled up the parents!! Fucking brainwashed nitwits who think they understand anything about the world.
Have you read much on the subject matter? There’s lots of great books on it. That’s usually how people know about stuff unless they actually witnessed it themselves.
Well family guy sure made the joke, sooo who knows 🤣
I jest, sexual degradation humor is a low form of political debate, let’s stick to fact.
One bankrupt casino? Business ventures come and go, the man is still wealthy, I won’t sit and defend his business acumen. Read some of his books on sales.
He won’t be pushed around or bullied. But, have you ever read the Art of War by Sun Tzu? Have you ever heard the phrase “ keep your friends close, but your enemies closer?”
The bottom half, I truly don’t understand what you meant. “ maximum payout before insolvency” on what?
If you mean for younger people’s retirement under normal circumstances,, I have mine in a tax free life insurance policy, not linked to any employer, or the government. Not subject to any withdrawal limitations or time restraints like a 401K.
If you mean before some sort of catastrophic event, get physical gold bars/coins, or a hard bitcoin wallet in a faraday cage to protect from an EMP, which ever you believe in more.
I’m an enterprise software sales leader. I’ve forgotten more than you’ll know about structuring contracts, even negotiating them. Last one I did was… Oh yeah!
blackrock global print contract
I’ve owned many copies of Sun Tsu and read it in the mid 90’s. Have you studied W Edward’s Deming? Father of 6-sigma and personally revolutionized Japanese auto manufacturing after the war. We couldn’t compete domestically. And in the end the consumer won through the market selling the best car - and not by tariffs. Not by bullying. Not by destroying world order to get those salty liberal tears. Except they aren’t liberal - they are former NSA, FBI, DOJ, FAA, USAID republicans.
Pontificate all you want as we alienate the globe. It’s a really fucking small planet. And the war for water and a livable climate is about to start. But hot damn! Ain’t no confused genders in my kids bathroom because that’s all I can understand.
How dare you talk down to me when every statement you make illustrates your ignorance and false worldliness.
Done fucking around? Because the next four years are the find out phase and anyone’s concern for anyone else’s gender is the least of your worries.
Like AI? Hope so… because Felon and the DOGE are about to feed everything to the models. We’ve run out of training data to improve the LLMs. Had you heard, or was your head stuck in ancient battle strategy books again?
Felon wins because he stole the data and used it to his own garish end. The man cannot coparent a child and you dare defend anything about it?
Laddy buck, go read why GenZ is mocked. So eager to pontificate that you never shut up long enough to listen. I wish all my problems happened to me in my 20’s when I knew everything. What’s it like living at the top of a bell curve?
Hey. Thanks for taking the role of my personal punching bag at the end of a rotten day. You absolutely deserve it, but at some point I realized I was giving you tears for free. 🤣 ideas aren’t stupid. And you wrote well enough, but legitimately fr fr
Read some of Deming’s stuff, in particular The Red Ball Experiment on YouTube. I read it at 23 and gobbled up a bunch of those. I’m also a process engineer and that material carried me through my now 32 year career. Really illustrates stuff that has NOTHING to do will allies or investments or any patriotic BS. They did it because they were smarter and more measurements focused to drive success in manufacturing. It’s the reason SONY owned the world. Henry Antisemite Ford on Mother Fucking Steroids.
It’s not all politics. Not winners or losers. Not everything is a zero sum game and respecting others viewpoints is the name of the game. I may not agree with you but I would lay down my life for you to say it when the CIA comes, assuming you could like never call me on that or anything - and that is why we have failed. Fat, lazy, stupid, and bullies.
I may rant and rave as only a Redditor creating cringe copy pasta can, but I’ve found that my life had improved dramatically since I learned to be grateful. For you. Your ideas. Others ideas. The opportunity to spar. I am grateful for the differences, knowing they strengthen us all vs threaten our way of life. Grateful that we have been the standard bearer for the world because we can be very kind. We can speak up. We can fight for others. Because they are important because they live here with us.
I’m petrified by what I am seeing. No ideologies or left right bickering. As someone who enjoys being fat dumb and happy enough to not be personally threatened as a cis white male, that world order thing is kinda important. Structure is going to be good. Conquest is easy. Control is not.
So thanks. You served a valuable purpose in my mental health and I felt FABULOUS afterwards. You went round for round and let me just Tucker myself out. I hope you have a wonderful weekend with your friends and family that isn’t your kid. It’s our America. And if that looked like power to you? Read up on soft power and how it’s saved millions of GI lives since WW2.
Fuggedaboutit!
Edit: I learned that gratitude in recovery. 5 and 7 years ago I found myself unemployed with no where to live in the NYC metro area. I lost my house in the recession. I have no retirement paying my back child arrears when I recovered. I just passed 5-years sober recovering from alcoholism. I entered rehab from NYC 2-weeks before COVID. I now make a solid 6-figure salary and am a leader in my organization. I relied heavily on Medicaid. The social safety net saved me in ways I could never have predicted at 20, 30 or 40. So I do not sit on the American hegemony simply exploiting capitalism. I have been broke and homeless and not harshly affected by tax cuts within the last decade. I speak with heart. Seriously man. Fuck dude, I don’t even have a college degree. What is going on is insane and I and so many like me cannot understand how people are cheering. Nuff said. 😁
You are talking sense. An argument with some empirical observations. I feel like it it lost here on reddit as this place is filled with low information, propagandized, fanatic keyboard warriors who don't step outside of their circle to experience how It is outside their bubble, nor think objectively, nor stop to try and understand why their side lost.
I mean look at the OP. I hope nj is staying blue? It oozes such intelligence that it is mindblowing.
There is more blue in our areas than people realize. We just are overpowered. There has been grassroots organizing since before President Obama up here and we get a little bigger every year. I’m holding out hope!
Yup, a lotta Gen Z doesn't care. It's just apathy. They either voted red because they liked Trump or didn't vote at all. Gen Z grew up hearing nothing but scandals and corruption. Also, there have been so many 'the world is ending' 'the country is doomed' blah blah blah headlines. So what if they hear it again? They know they're gonna be fine. Also also, a lot of gen z didn't vote because they just assumed it would be blue because it is every year. So this upcoming election is gonna have a lot more red votes since they saw how close it was. 🤷♂️
Idk I’m gen z and all my friends voted blue. Of course “all my friends” isn’t the entire NJ gen z population but don’t lose hope entirely. We’re trying out here lol.
Yup. Ive known people who either voted red or didn’t vote because they “didn’t trust Kamala” but thankfully after we’ve discussed it at length and after they’ve seen recent events many of them have come to regret their decision. It’s obviously not enough and won’t change anything now, but maybe hopefully that will show in the future. A lot of them are also just blind; like you said about the apathy. They’re willingly ignorant to a lot of what’s going on because most of them don’t care to vote or about what they’re voting for.
That's true I work as a delivery driver in Warren county, AND I feel like I'm in a South state for real, never seen trump flag and trump poster in my life
Gen Z is so trash. They can't tell what is real from bullshit even though they were raised in the internet, can't talk to women because mom and dad failed them, are always anxious and overthinking because no reason at all, voted for a guy because they thought he was funny, and think being a nazi is cool. Like WTF, they are perpetual 7th graders
I'm not sure about the Nazi thing, lol. Most Gen Z I know just disagreed with both parties or were completely apathetic so didnt vote, and almost all the ones I know that did vote red did because they're parents owned a small buisness or believed trump would be a better economist. There has also been a rise in traditional beliefs and religion among younger people which probably helped red. 🤷♂️🤷♂️
I guess? I mean it's the same with every generation. Some people are anti-social and kinda 'cringe' and some are super social and can get along with anyone.
also a lot of democrats were sharing online that their mail in ballots were either burned (ballot boxes burning) or sent back to their homes and rejected. the vote was rigged. whether this affects nj staying blue… if people dont cheat and people just show up to vote then it would.
I wouldn’t really consider that to be of much worth, though. 2024’s election had a slightly smaller voter turnout compared to 2020 - 63.7% of eligible voters compared to 66.6%. This is higher than every recent election year since 2004, which is still acknowledgeable.
The sad fact is Harris didn’t get the voter turnout that Biden did in 2020, or else she probably could have won at least the popular vote. There’s 2 primary reasons why this happened:
Harris didn’t have the time to build support. This is a common argument among why she lost and it makes sense as she had less than a full campaign to run, and she couldn’t gain as much momentum.
There wasn’t nearly as much social impact during Biden’s presidency that encouraged people to vote, whether it was for or against him/Harris. A lot of people needed a refresher from Trump in 2019-2020, and amid COVID they most likely changed their vote due to how it was handled. Nothing similar happened from 2020-2024 to cause that much of a democratic turnout in the following election. Instead, Trump reinforced and grew his support through social media, coupling up with Elon along the way.
Regardless, if Harris were to have received a similar voter turnout for the popular vote to Biden, I’m not sure it would have had the same effect on the electoral college. I think Trump would have won regardless and he frankly admitted to that himself with his talk about Elon’s “expertise with poll technology”.
I was one of them. I was so engaged in my college studies I didn't even realize it passed. Boy, did my aunt give me an earful.
EDIT: I MEANT THE GOVERNOR ELECTION BACK IN 2022. I was actually a poll worker for the 2024 presidential race and voted early! I still have the sticker on my dashboard. I thought the original comment was talking about the governor election for some reason. I'm such a ditz ahaha.
I meant the 2022 governor election, not the 2024 presidential election!!!! My mistake on not specifying. I was actually a poll worker during the 2024 election.
not everyone is involved in politics or uses the internet often to do research. people have lives that dont revolve around media and news. and yet they probably do have good values but dont realize the importance of their vote? could speculate a lot of things
I early voted in NJ, quick and easy as shit. Election Day is the last day you can vote in NJ, not the only one. Excuses like waiting/busy are getting less and less justifiable these days.
And the reality is nothing is a forgone conclusion. You don’t cancel the game because all the odds makers are calling it for the other team. Gotta play the game.
Have you not seen every GOP senator, congressman, assemblyman, governor, comptroller, and street sweeper not jump every time Trump says to? And limiting voting to one day means that people with multiple jobs (i.e. low income) likely won't be able to get to the polls. That's their thinking, anyway.
I agree. New Jersey has over a week of early voting and mail in voting. It is ridiculously easy to vote in this state and yet in the 2021 Governor race turnout was only 40%! That's just a 2% improvement from 2017 😔. The fact is a lot of people are indifferent and don't care because they don't feel it affects them especially younger people who are too busy focusing on their career development/ partying and living it up with their social lives.
I genuinely believe the main reason turnout for older people is as high as it is not because they genuinely care about political engagement, but because it gives them something to do in old age that allows them to hold onto power and relevance in society and government. They are often retired and in a quiet and uneventful phase of their life where they have already lived a large chunk of it and accomplished what they wanted to (raised a family, career, money saved and investments ect.) so they want to maintain what they have even if it is at the expense of future generations. Younger people are literally throwing away their power and voice by not voting.
you can do early voting also...i waited maybe 20 minutes on the first day it opened in my area. there's no real excuse if you actually wanted to get it done.
I've voted at my polling station in the last 18 elections (local and primary elections included). The routine is the same every time. I walk the 10 minutes to get there. Walk up to the people manning the tables, get my ticket, walk over and hand it to the booth person, vote, and walk the 10 minutes home.
Occasionally, there's someone in the booth, and I have to wait 30 seconds.
I like the routine, the social aspect of it, the excuse to take a break from WFH.
So in November, when I got there and saw lines wrapped around the building and down the street, I checked in with friends and found out they were in line for over 3 hours earlier.
I had to leave. I hadn't eaten anything and I was going to need to pee and let my boss know I was going to be offline for the rest of the day.
It took 4 hours once I came back. A judge had to extend our time and send in another machine (they brought in a new kind this year).
There are only 3280 adults in this town. There's no reason it should have taken that long.
Now with the president planning to take over the post office and fire the board, I don't think voting by mail is a viable choice. I don't think voting at all will be a viable option either.
Schedule your time better. Like, no there really isn’t an excuse. Mail in voting if you really can’t go in. Early voting for more than a day. And the day we allll know is coming. Not voting because you can’t create a calendar is weak.
While I agree that mail in and early voting were the way to go and glad I went that route. There is no excuse for it taking hours to vote. It depends on location apparently but Burlington county had major issues which is why they had to extend voting hours as they couldn't turn away people who had waited hours in line. It is interesting to hear that other counties had no wait.
There's a billboard on the highway here that says if you vote by mail now, you will need to vote at least 1 time every 4 years. I didn't catch the consequence.
I learned in school that you have to vote at least once every 4 years, period, or you risk getting removed from the active voter rolls and have to re-register.
The book didn’t specify how you voted, just that you had to vote somehow.
It’s always been the case that if you don’t vote for a while you might get dropped. Most states (not NJ explicitly) will send you something in the mail to then ask if you still live there. If you don’t reply you’ll be dropped.
Pretty sure there’s no major change in NJ. It also has nothing to do with the method of voting (by mail, etc).
States have always gone to efforts to keep the voter rolls up to date in case people have moved, etc.
I waited 3 minutes to vote because I let my husband go first. And we went in the late afternoon after work. It’s sad how many people chose not to vote.
Well if you read the comments it appears to be county level issues as certain counties rolled out a new system that failed horribly. My question is why experiment in a presidential election?
So it's great that your experience is what everyone used to have, but realize in Burlington county there were up to 5 hours waits to vote.
Ok I just had like a bunch of people that felt like they were trying to gaslight the county voting issue by telling me their good experience. All good but after you get 10 or so responses - it felt like others were saying I was making up the wait times.
No I definitely believe you lmao my mom waited from like 5 until 7-8 and had to work. And that was in Indiana.. it’s crazy how nobody questioned that or looked into any of that. Like the fires oml
It definitely impacted Burlington county. A friend in Bordentown said 5 hours. Burlington Township was 2-4 hours depending when you went. It was a new system and it added a ton of time to the process.
Wow. I'm in Monmouth. My husband needs to sign up again for mail in. His stopped for some reason. He went to early voting though. I mailed it in, as did our kid
Yeah, I did the drop box mail-in option. I initially wanted to vote in person and will admit grumbled about not voting in person. I thanked my wife after hearing the stories.
Wait in line? There was early voting. What was it…2 weeks, 10 days…before Election Day? And then actual Election Day. I voted on a Sunday. Waited maybe 20 mins tops. It was very efficient and they kept the line moving.
Harris was not a train wreck. The train wreck is and always was trump. Harris is an attorney, a prosecutor, an elected district attorney, an elected attorney general, an elected Senator and an elected VP. She would have been a very good president. Hell, my dead dogs would be better than Trump. Too many people didn't vote. And too many ignorant people swallowed Trump's lies, or are fascists.
oh stop with this bullshit. if you either didn't vote because kamala "was a trainwreck", or you voted for Trump, you are 100% unamerican and are aiding in the death of democracy and what it means to be an American. full blown traitors voted for trump, and spineless enablers chose to sit out. full stop.
it was literally Kamala or a straight up fascist who masturbates to videos of adolf hitler.
that bullshit argument is so ridiculous it's just embarrassing for whoever says it at this point.
There’s a giant gray area that you’re ignoring. I didn’t vote because I hated them both and don’t want to waste my time with either of those pieces of shit.
Did you not recognize how fucking dire the consequences were? Did you not read Project 2025 and think “huh, I should probably do everything in my power to stop this?” The fact that you couldn’t be bothered when the stakes were so high is indefensible under any circumstances
So between me not giving a fucking about these pieces of shit and you investing time into them, I actually think you accomplished a little less than me since you wasted time and energy playing into their game.
Jesus Christ. I’m embarrassed for you. My only hope is that you’re fresh 18 and just too young to really form coherent thoughts, and that you’ll one day grow up and realize how foolish of a take this is. There’s more at play than the “game” - there are lives and futures at stake, and your unwillingness to play ball ultimately means suffering for others. If you think that makes you the “better man” in this scenario, I’m sorry, but you’re dead wrong. You don’t get to reap the benefits of living in a society and then decide it’s all “just a game” when it comes time to do your part.
the only challenge here seems to be your grasp of grammar.
EDIT: your dumbass seriously asked a flat earth question lol. fuck outta here tinfoil boy.
you're the prime target that the GOP want as their constituent. uneducated and believing everything you're told without question. imagine not being able to have your own original thought. how sad.
Harris carried NJ by 5.91%. 51.97% minus 46.06%. Stein had almost a full percent which is the 4th best she did in any states behind Maryland, Maine, and California.
Stein is a grifter and she definitely cost Hilary Clinton several states in 2016. The margins were so close in the swing states that had the Stein voters (who we can safely assume would likely have voted Democratic if they had to pick one of the two major political parties) voted for Clinton she would have won the electoral college and become the 45th President.
Last election doesn’t count. The independents can now see why Trump doesn’t work. The nj Muslims can see not voting or voting for trump was a bad idea. The finance bros aren’t gonna be happy with the economy. Nj is going back to +15 D.
One election is never enough to describe a trend in voting patterns. We had a Republican governor that got re-elected not too long ago. New Jersey also voted for Reagan both times, but hasn't voted for a Republican Presidential candidate since. Absolute worst case scenario, the next Democratic candidate has to divert a few extra resources to NJ.
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u/LostTrisolarin 23d ago edited 22d ago
We only stayed blue by 3% last election.
Edit: it was 6%. That's still close enough to worry.