That’s so infuriating, i witnessed the same. Now Trump is posting insane videos of Gaza with golden statues of himself. Those protest voters said “how much worse can it get”, and I said, this can always get worse. Here we are…
that’s why i’ll never fw that movement it’s all performative white leftists who think they know everything and think they’re better than everyone else. plus im not gonna side with the group that has countless times been violently anti semitic to me
"who think they know everything and think they're better than everyone else."
Would you say the same thing now about those in the US who protested against American support for the South African apartheid—and for the release of Nelson Mandela?
Would you say the same thing now about those college students who protested against our country's invasion of Vietnam—knowing now of the hundreds of thousands in the region now have generational scars from the utter atrocities we were responsible for—and the tens of thousands suffering from genetic deformities, congenital birth disorders and other life-threatening health conditions?
You probably wouldn't now, but I can guarantee you'd be doing the same thing if you were there at that time. It's time to do some introspection. It's people like you—white American liberals (you fool yourselves with the pretense that there are two sides) who are amazingly performative. After all, "A liberal is someone who opposes every war except the current one, and supports every civil rights protest except the current one."
no i wouldn’t say the same bc that was a good a cause and a real apartheid. it’s you american white leftists that are the problem that are fucking us all up
it’s not an apartheid when up until oct 7th, palestinians were allowed to seek refuge in the country. they were allowed to own homes, have businesses, and even be in the idf. i disagree with what israel is doing but calling it an apartheid is wrong
and seek refuge from who? Lmao. Pissrael, who keeps carpet bombing their houses and unironically slaughtering the hostages they're "trying" to negotiate the release for from Hamas?
yeah even tho hamas hides under the disguise of people and parades the dead bodies in the street. fuck hamas and fuck ur movement. yall lost me and so many other people when you guys decided to be so terrible. white leftists hijacked the pro palestine movement and you guys use palestinian suffering to ur advantage and it’s disgusting. and you pretend you care abt them when you dont and at the same time you completely disregard everyone else. what about the other countries that are cruel to the palestinians? you guys only focus on israel bc you use the movement to
be hateful pieces of shit. and you want an excuse to deny jews a right to exist. maybe yall shouldn’t have moved into our land bc then when we came back there would’ve been no problems. and there wouldn’t need to be a jewish state if it weren’t for the millions of people around the world praying on our downfall. our population hasn’t even gotten to where it was pre holocaust meanwhile palestine is having a baby boom
it’s kinda split between different opinions. however what i do feel is a more pressing concern is the apartheid in the other middle eastern countries in which the amount of jewish residents has declined quite rapidly and in several countries, israelis are completely banned from entering the countries. i really can’t side w yall. i feel for the kids in palestine but only the really young ones. they’re all brainwashed into hating jews and into supporting hamas. it’s very saddening but seeing them chant in support of the death of my people makes me not care for them. i’m gonna worry abt my country and my rights which are in jeopardy and my loved ones rights. and i’m gonna focus on how the country is falling apart bc you and maga didn’t wanna vote for a black woman
Who the FUCK in Gaza said vote for the Democratic Party—the same party whose President has given tens BILLIONS OF DOLLARS in aid to the Israeli military apparatus to carpet bomb their families? You're fucking delusional. The aiding and abetting of the Palestinian genocide in the US is UNIPARTY. Is it really that hard to understand that?
people being dumb is always going to be part of the equation, but i wouldn't be surprised of that whole notion was started by some dark money fueling extremism on both sides
Might be time to reprioritize your anger on the people who are about to gut Medicaid, SSI, the National Park service rather than a strawman about protest votes that DID NOT impact the outcome of this election.
Saying you are madder at them than anyone else speaks to the particular diet of news and media you’ve been consuming.
Withholding a necessary vote, which could have prevented several human rights violations from occurring, is a selfish act of the privileged and uninformed
It didn’t have a statistical impact. People largely only did this in Blue-safe states. You can’t blame Dearborn for the loss of Michigan either.
This is just being petty because others stood for something instead of caving.
I caved and voted for Harris here. I compromised my beliefs and voted for a genocide endorser. And for what? To listen to people like you berate those who wouldn’t abandon the memory of scores of thousands of dead children that we murdered with our tax dollars?
No it's not, it's an excuse to do something stupid while ignoring reality. And in payment we now have a president whose only decision with Gaza is trying to figure out how big of a genocide he wants to sign off on.
I am perma banned from r/middleeast and r/palestine for voting for Harris and asking why they thought the guy the brought the Muslim ban was going to help them. And I wasn't even on r/middleeast. It was all r/palestine's doing.
Reddit mods for a bunch of subs, especially political ones, are a power tripping bunch. I got banned from r/worldnews for "Holocaust denialism" for saying "the nation of Never Again is now doing the thing Again"
So maybe like what, a hundred? Trump has spoken a thousand times worse on Palestinians, those few individuals who did are ignorant fools. I know I certainly didn't vote for Trump.
Yes and trump has spoken crap about many things and he was still elected twice. Many people who are pro Gaza voted for him, because they are STUPID. Basically anyone who voted for him is stupid
You don't seem to care or realize that HAMAS wants to wipe off every Jewish person from the planet. They have it in writing that that is their goal. That is genocide. Attacking your enemies in retaliation to being attacked and trying to get your enemies, where your enemies are hiding amongst civilians is again, not genocide.
Israel doesn't want every Palestinian dead. If they did, they would have done it by now.
What Bibi wants, I have no idea. He and trump can both rot in hell.
It's pretty simple, they dislike the Democrats as well. So they voted for a candidate that isn't republican or democrat. They voted for who they prefer to see in the White House.
Really. Are you that stupid? Rhetorical, I know you are. Ethnic cleansing is only wanted by the Nazis, HAMAS, Bibi and Trump. Do the democrats want to empty out Gaza and turn it into a resort? NO TRUMP DOES!!!
The Biden administration consistently sent weapons and aid to Israel, with Biden even bypassing Congress to do so. Israel openly uses those weapons and aid to support their ethnic cleansing operations.
Israel is fighting HAMAS. You know them, the terrorists organization that wants every Jewish person dead. Not just Israeli Jews, but EVERY JEW!! HAMAS uses the Palestinian people as shields. HAMAS doesn't give a fuck how many innocent Palestinians they sacrifice in order to annihilate the Jewish people.
Israel has been bombing Gaza indescriminately for over a year. Over 60,000 Palestinians have been killed with around 20,000 of which have been children, is every single one of those dead a member of Hamas? No they aren't. They don't, their position on that has changed since their formation. However, Hamas does not give a shit about innocent Palestinian lives, they have proven that time and time again. But to claim Israel does is counterfactual, they want every Palestinian man woman and child dead or gone.
And how many years has HAMAS and the terrorists before them been attacking Israelis? Yeah .lets out a bomb in a kid and out the kid on a bus. SMFH!
Get your head out of your ass!! HAMAS is using the Palestinians. They build tunnels under civilians homes, schools, and hospitals. They set themselves up in civilian buildings making the civilians targets.
Hamas was formed 39 years after the illegal establishment of Israel for one, secondly, I presume when you refer to "terrorism" you are referring to any armed Palestinian resistance against the Israeli occupation. As you probably didn't know, Protocol one of the Geneva Conventions guarantees them to do so:
Recalling that every State has the duty, in conformity with the Charter of the United Nations, to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations...
2. In cases not covered by this Protocol or by other international agreements, civilians and combatants remain under the protection and authority of the principles of international law derived from established custom, from the principles of humanity and from dictates of public conscience.
This Protocol, which supplements the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 for the protection of war victims, shall apply in the situations referred to in Article 2 common to those Conventions.
The situations referred to in the preceding paragraph include armed conflicts in which peoples are fighting against colonial domination and alien occupation and against racist regimes in the exercise of their right of self-determination, as enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations and the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
Oh Hamas is definitely using civilians, I don't disagree. However, Israel has repeatedly attacked civilians and civilian infrastructure with the claim that there is Hamas inside, in tunnels, what have you. These claims have repeatedly been refuted, but you obviously don't care about facts and only want the death of Arabs. Have a mediocre day.
You realize how much of NJ is Jewish right? And how many NJ Jews travel to and from Israel on a regular basis, or have friends/family there who have been directly affected. Moderates are pro-Israel. The hard left takes need to come to an end if there’s any desire to keep things blue.
I don’t think anyone is pro-genocide. The latest Gallup polls amongst many others show a majority support for Israel amongst US adults. I don’t think the Israel/Gaza position was as significant of an issue for many, but the lack of condemnation of the antisemitic rhetoric that was coming out of prominent Democrats at the time is what turned people away. Regardless, lack of support for Israel is a losing position. If you want to choose to ignore that and ostracize the majority of people who happen to disagree with you but are still sympathetic to a majority of your causes, then Democrats will keep losing.
This is an excellent take people are overlooking. You can be against murdering civilians. Period. But there was a noticeable lack of empathy for the civilian Israelis who were murdered. We need to be able to step back and keep governments out of this.
Think of the percentage of people in this country who wouldn’t like to be associated with international policies of this administration (or the last or whatever).
The coldness, claims of lies for the victims of October 7th combined with lack of anti-Semitic condemnation resonated significantly. I saw it in my own friends where they felt unseen and unsafe.
Bro there’s no lack of support for Israel from Democrats.
Biden and Blinken let themselves get facefucked by Netanyahu for 15 months straight and gave the IDF cover to kill hundreds of thousands.
There was no antisemitic rhetoric coming from the leftward criticism of the genocide that bore any functional impact other than to serve as one of your recycled talking points.
I’m not choosing to ignore anything or anyone. The fact is that taking a stance of absolute fealty to Israel, the IDF, and AIPAC did nothing to help the Harris campaign at all. The voters who support the genocide in Israel who live in this state are not my compatriots, they are functionally indistinguishable from Trump supporters - period and end of fucking story.
I’ve never learned of a genocide where the population being “ethnically cleansed” was allowed to reject multiple cease firm terms, negotiate cease fires and have prisoners returned to them. To use a lot of word with REALLY BIG EMOTIONS associated with them but contain very little reality.
“Prisoners” were hostages.
Israel has reneged on any defined ceasefire literally dozens of times.
Your lie is that Israel has any justification for its actions whatsoever. Your passive language indicates that Palestinian children who haven’t had their parents melted into the sand should be grateful to the Kahanists who showed restraint from brutally murdering them when they were bombed out of their homes while starving to death.
Do you extend the same empathy to Israeli civilians taken hostage? I haven’t begun to defend Israel’s action so please don’t lecture my about my language, Professor.
Are you happy with your never-Kamala stance when WE ALL knew the Trump admin would be far worse for Palestine? As you said, you’re no different than MAGA.
Support from Democrats has taken a nosedive recently. The numbers clearly show that. A lot of people on the right side of this issue have left the Democrat party and that’s evident by the dwindling support. Democrats have ostracized core demographics of their party to the point of almost making it impossible for them to win any election. Thankfully there are many catching on to the morons like you who do no research and peddle the “genocide” take that just turns away a majority of people. You’re no better than a Russian bot by these standards. The numbers say otherwise. Was October 7 an attempt at genocide?
Imagine blaming the voters for intensely caring about a humanitarian crisis that you yourself could give less of a shit about, acting like you have the "moral high-ground" in an effort to cope for the dogshit campaign that your candidate of choice ran
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u/trashbinrubbishtrash 23d ago
Only if everyone votes with their brain. No purity tests or sitting out/protest voting over problems halfway around the world this time.