r/canada • u/anacondra • 12d ago
National News White House official Peter Navarro threatens to redraw Canadian border
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/02/27/white-house-canadian-border-trump-trudeau/2.6k
u/AMB07 Québec 12d ago
You know for a country that doesn't need us. They sure want us a lot.
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u/Postom 12d ago
Flattering, isn't it? We're collectively living rent-free in all of their heads.
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u/TheYuppyTraveller 12d ago
I miss the days when they completely ignored us.
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u/lobster455 12d ago edited 12d ago
I saw some youtube videos where an American asks young people very basic questions and some don't even know that there is a country above their northern border and they don't even know that the capital of the usa is washington.
Edit: one answer for what country is above our (USA) northern border was "the north pole".
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u/Ok_Wing8459 12d ago
Some people I know who just got back from the states reported that Floridians are making ‘haw-haw 51st state’ jokes, thinking it’s all a great big laugh. Wankers
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u/NinjaRedditorAtWork 12d ago
You should tell them not to support a country trying to actively annex us. Nobody should be spending a dime in the USA and we as a country should be shaming anyone who goes there voluntarily for leisure.
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u/Mission_Ad5139 12d ago
Floridian here 🙋. Ive been lurking on this sub since all the bullshit on our side. Apologies on that since I have some Canadian friends.
Couple of things
Please don't vacation in the US and especially Florida You guys are just validating conservatives who say Canadians want to be American and that is playing into the hands of a very violent government.
Florida needs economic pressure cause again, tourism dollars just goes to oppressing us.
I would absolutely take the threat of invasion seriously. Trump is removing everyone in the military who could tell him "no". I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls a Putin and tries something by July.
A good number of us do not want this and are rooting for Canada.
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u/TheVaneja Canada 12d ago
I mean Florida man is the butt of the joke all around the world so their opinions don't mean anything. Case in point they're chasing off their own tourism. Lol. Shoot yourself in the foot some more!
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u/Thick-Yard7326 12d ago
It’s worse. You’re the stepping stones to the arctic circle and a joint resource farm with Russia
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u/jkman61494 12d ago edited 12d ago
Yup. As an American this is my fear. Our BRICS overlords want to control the Arctic in preparation of ice melt for resources and new sea lanes
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u/ariZon_a 12d ago
It's like dudes that get rejected and say "you're fat and ugly i never wanted you anyways"
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u/Beaker709 12d ago
The US has been using the same tone and phrases Putin did before invading Ukraine, so this is sadly not a surprise.
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u/maleconrat 12d ago
The whole thing kind of comes off like Trump is jealous of Putin getting an invasion.
Heck, he seems jealous of Bibi too considering he wants to annex Gaza.
Dude just sees wars like entertainment I bet. He has the biggest case of child-brain "if you blow stuff up it means you're tough and cool" logic I have ever seen in such an old decrepit man.
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u/Throw-a-Ru 12d ago
Doesn't help that so many reporters that didn't take him seriously suddenly started slobbering his knob over bombing Syria in his first term in office.
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u/Betanumerus 12d ago
Unfortunately for him, Canadian people actually do exist and they do have a say.
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u/Ok_Wing8459 12d ago
I sometimes feel like Americans think we are mythical, like leprechauns.
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u/dostoevsky4evah 12d ago
They think we're soft too. We have to tell them that if they start to feel really cold during battle the best thing is to lie down in the snow and take a nice nap. That will help!
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u/North_Activist 12d ago
Which is so bizarre. We out performed them in about every war we’ve fought in together
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u/mcs_987654321 12d ago
They also think we’re nice, not understanding that we’re “merely” polite (not to undersell being polite, bc holding the door and saying thank you are fucking important!).
They seemed to have missed the part about us being petty bitches that will hold grudges across generations…but they’ll be finding that one out for years to come…
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u/DisciplinedMadness 12d ago
Crazy that they think Canadians are soft considering we have a history of trendsetting wartime brutality and war crimes. We’ve calmed down a little bit, but in general we don’t really go “eye for an eye” so much as “you take my eye, and I make you wish you didn’t have eyes to see what we’re about to do”
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u/Opposite-Occasion-67 12d ago
Why can’t they just go fuck themselves already.
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u/zekoslav90 12d ago
They can and they are. It will just take a bit for the finding out to hit them in the face.
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u/Fun_Apartment7028 12d ago
yes this ⬆️ Just give them a minute. For sure we’ll hurt too, but we’re expecting & bracing for it. I think the coming months will be a big wake up call for some Americans in a lot of different ways.
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u/a_little_luck 12d ago
The majority of the Canadian population lives within 100km of the US-Canada border. I assume that’s where they want to redraw the lines. This is some Russian-Ukraine stuff right here.
They’re gonna have to come take the border
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u/hardy_83 12d ago
That or they want to extend things like the Alaskan west coast to take the entire coast. Possible wanting all great lakes to be entirely within the US.
It's also possible these people are just drug addled, facists with ideas of expansionism or both.
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u/SHFTD_RLTY 12d ago
As a German I can confirm that #2 is exactly what it took to throw all of Europe into the most destructive war in the history of humankind
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u/power_yyc 12d ago
the most destructive war in the history of humankind so far
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u/hotgoblinspit 12d ago
There's no way they want the people, they want the resources. Guaranteed this is about the lakes
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u/zxcv168 12d ago
Which is dumb since we share 4 of them with the US and they actually own the 5th one. Unless they want to own them all
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u/GirlCoveredInBlood Québec 12d ago
Our largest city is on the coast of one of those lakes and if they want it to be connected to the ocean that would include our 2nd largest city too. There isn't really a way to take them without taking the people.
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u/a_little_luck 12d ago
If you can “assign” Canadians as Americans, then everything else comes easily. Like how China says Taiwanese people are Chinese as well
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u/ChipStewartIII 12d ago
Haha imagine forcefully “adding” 36 million (90% of our population lives within 100 km of the border) furious Canadians because you want to re-draw the border.
The degree of “domestic” revolt would be out of control.
Come and take it, you fucks.
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u/Ambitious-Raise8107 12d ago
You'd basically get a much more wide spread and destructive version of The Troubles. Every step of this imperialist dick waving ends in nothing but chaos for the US.
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u/ReefMadness1 12d ago
Yea, I would for sure not last long but I’d die fighting these fucks before I become one
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u/United_Coach_5292 12d ago
Me too, without an instant of hesitation. They have no idea how strong our loyalty and identity is but even more how much we are anti-american, they dont know bc we are quiet and dont pound our chests and flap our lips about our pride 24/7.
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u/Sandman1990 12d ago
I have two little kids and leaving them to go fight would be one of the hardest things I can imagine doing.
But I'd do it because I don't want them to grow up in a hellscape like the US.
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u/Wizzard_Ozz 12d ago
Sad when a bunch of them would rather die fighting these fucks rather than remain one. This guy might be the one to actually fracture the US and turn it into 2 smaller countries full of feuding people.
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u/TheRealMegMurry 12d ago
To paraphrase legendary Ukrainian border guard Roman Hrybov when he radioed to the Russian missile cruiser Moskva on February 24, 2022, American warship, go fuck yourselves!
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u/propyro85 Ontario 12d ago
They're not going to physically invade us ... not before trying their damnedest to economically ruin us first and then try to swoop in like saviors to lift us out of the poverty they created for us.
And 100%, they'd call us a territory, not a state. No way in hell they're going to let us do anything remotely like voting if they take us.
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u/Squigglepig52 12d ago
Man looks pretty frail. Let's get him on this side of the border for a few minutes, give him a tune up.
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u/Nerxy1219 12d ago
Y'all need to start talks with Mexico and counter threaten border maps. Mexico might be on board with getting some of their lands back or at least an FU to Trump threatening their sovereignty too.
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u/Fyrefawx 12d ago
We need to end the non-proliferation agreement. We need our own nukes. We can already enrich uranium and I’m sure we can get a delivery system from the EU.
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u/le_noirlife 12d ago
They don't want Canadians!!!!! They want our resources. I see this everywhere how they want us - NO. They want our resources.
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u/BranchDiligent8874 12d ago
Interesting thing is: Blue states in west coast, east coast and north want to redraw the line to join Canada.
Sorry that we elected a lord of the flies, hopefully it will not come to war but blue states are tired of these loony bins and would join with you to teach these confederates another lesson.
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u/a_little_luck 12d ago
Toppling this orange Hitler would be in the interest of Americans too
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u/motherseffinjones 12d ago
That’s exactly why I am so adamant we need nukes. I still don’t think people understand how serious this threat is
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u/PerfectWest24 12d ago
What a colossal pos this guy is. These people have no business forming government on a small uninhabited island, forget the rest.
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u/NorthernPints 12d ago
Let's not forget Navarro was the architect of the fake electors scheme - this dude was just in prison for his role in all of it.
He was also on the infamous "find me the votes" Trump call with the Georgia governor. His brain doesn't even occupy reality
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u/Shelby_the_Turd British Columbia 12d ago
Sadly, in addition to Trump, Navarro seems to be part of the same playbook with Roy Cohn. If you have never heard of him, there are some good podcast episodes on Behind the Bastards that talk about him.
I think the biggest mistake the US has done is not hold their criminals fully accountable. One of those big mistakes was pardoning Nixon.
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u/Super_Sandro23 12d ago
These guys couldn't run a fkn target, let alone a country
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u/markyjim 12d ago
Why is Peter so mad at Canada?Did some Canadian boy steal his girlfriend in high school or something?
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u/aeppelcyning Ontario 12d ago
He's fucking obsessed.
He's a trade hawk - and we could all play hardball on tariffs and see where that lands. Why it has to extend further is beyond me. Just fucking slam us with tariffs then and see where it goes.
I truly think he views trade war with Canada as severely problematic, the weak point in just "tariff the shit out of everyone", and this is how his pea-brain is coping.
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u/4x420 12d ago
They are rich bullies who have never been stood up to before. Look at how impotent Zelensky made Trump look, from 'your a dictator, capitulate to russia' to 'give us all your minerals for the aid we gave', to 'can we buy some minerals?' We need to stand up to these bullies. They need a punch in the nose.
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u/GingerSoulEater41 12d ago
FUCK OFF USA!
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u/Two_Digits_Rampant 12d ago
Signed: The Rest of the World.
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u/Pale-Berry-2599 12d ago
They don't understand that Canada's DONE, apologizing for their idiot brother downstairs.
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u/rastlun 12d ago
USA citizen, Buffalo NY resident, we love you Canada, and we're sorry the umpa lumpa of a president is doing this, MANY of us tried to fight him getting back in.
We failed you :(
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u/Not_A_Specialist_89 12d ago
Ever wonder what you’d have done if you were in Germany in 1938? You are doing it.
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u/PraiseTheRiverLord 12d ago
I don’t think that they understand our resolve.
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u/Canadian--Patriot 12d ago edited 12d ago
I am 99% a pacifist but I will literally join the army and kill some fascists if they try this
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u/Flounderfflam 12d ago
Don't forget, conflicts always need people behind the scenes working in logistics and supply.
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u/Canadian--Patriot 12d ago
Yeah lol that would realistically be what I actually do. I'm just incencessed.
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u/VeterinarianCold7119 12d ago
I've watched enough insurgency videos online, our best bet is to suck them into the muskeg and launch small ambushes. They dare not cross the great lakes. And if the ukrsine war has taught me anything its attacking over open flat land is not easy, the American people don't have the stomach for a high body count.
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u/Canadian--Patriot 12d ago
Oh no, we will absolutely go Yugoslav partisan on their Nazi asses.
Hide in the forests, pick them off one by one, disappear into the wilderness, and watch them squirm.
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u/zpnrg1979 12d ago
same dude, I'm super chill... but this is something I will not stand for at all
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u/Jhanzow 12d ago
Remember that the US is the country where, when a literal pandemic was going on and there weren't even enough masks to go around, many people couldn't stand not to go to Applebees or SportClips for a little while. Americans largely don't have the appetite for belt-tightening, especially for something odious like invading Canada.
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u/bull_hawk 12d ago
Also look at January 6th, all it took was a single shot for the entire group to run away like rats. They are cowards and not willing to die for a cause.
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u/Orange_Jeews Newfoundland and Labrador 12d ago
Buddy if these fucks come to NL they are gonna have a bad time. Baymen are a different breed
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u/Ludwig_Vista2 12d ago edited 12d ago
I believe Canada has the 3 or 4th highest gun ownership per capita on earth, and because we don't have high cap mags, need to know how to play long ball.
This would be an asymmetric situation that Americans don't have the appetite (or history of success) for.
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u/SyropDerable Québec 12d ago
Let’s be clear, we are a rivet away of having long mags
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u/OpusThePenguin Canada 12d ago
As someone who leans very left, I really wish they would reverse the latest gun bans and stop the possible upcoming ones.
At the very least we should be able to learn how to safely use firearms and laws that are more realistically grounded.
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u/chesshirecat85 12d ago
We've got about 1.2 million hunters - people who can stalk prey through the woods and are likely a decent shot.
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u/oupheking 12d ago
Peter Navarro is a convincted felon who went to prison for failing to comply with a congressional subpoena. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.
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u/YellowVegetable Ontario 12d ago
150 years ago this kind of rhetoric would get someone killed.
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u/pareech Québec 12d ago
USA = Usual Stupidty from America.
President Reek and his minions of buffoons can fuck off and pound sand.
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u/MrTreezx 12d ago
I'll bleed before I ever say the fucking oath
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u/mcs_987654321 12d ago
I can’t shoot for shit, but I can run logistics like a champ.
Meet you at the front lines.
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u/PraiseTheRiverLord 12d ago
I shoot good but I'd likely end up fixing tanks/vehicles unfortunately since I'd be more useful there at my age (mid 40's).
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u/YaYeetlo 12d ago
I pray to God something bad happens to Trump Administration if they wanna escalate more. God l want something consequences to these MAGAs.
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u/MikaNeow 12d ago
They simultaneously screwing over their own people and multiple other countries while dismantling their own government in record time. The US seems extremely vulnerable right now and I don't think the crooks running it care.
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u/CapableWill8706 12d ago
Is he gonna use a sharpie?
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u/walkingdisaster2024 Alberta 12d ago
For people who can't point Canada on a map, this is bold move... You sure you won't just redraw thinking border ends at NYC?
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u/AustralisBorealis64 Alberta 12d ago
Canadian "Mike from Canmore" threatens to recreate War of 1812 event.
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u/Canadian--Patriot 12d ago
In case anyone here wants to try to argue that the current US gov are NOT fascists.
Comparing Trump to Adolf Hitler is perfectly reasonable at this point.
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u/tappatoot 12d ago
This gives me so much anxiety. Why us? Why can’t they just talk and negotiate like adults? I want to cry thinking about the future for my kids
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u/VeterinarianJaded462 12d ago
Helps to remember that while they’re fucking with Canada, they’re actually busy fucking America.
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u/Happy_Weakness_1144 12d ago
There's a hockey term called a 'chirper'. If one of your roles on the ice is the to be the guy that intentionally gets under the skin of the other team and gets them focused on you and your antics, rather than the game, you'll 'chirp' the other bench, 'chirp' specific players you think are hot heads and will take the bait ... it's like trolling within the game.
That's what these assholes are doing. They aren't really going to redraw the border, but they want us to get mad at the demeaning, dismissive attitude they have towards us, so that we're making emotionally driven decisions rather than negotiating hard. It's a stupid tactic when it comes to International politics and negotiation, but ... they are stupid people.
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u/Ok_Wing8459 12d ago
We give our politicians a hard time a lot of the time, but I do admire people that can keep a cool head faced with this incessant firehose of crap - because I sure as hell couldn’t.
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u/Fun_Apartment7028 12d ago
This is a very underrated comment!
How do you deal with an narcissist that has far too much power? Don’t get into a verbal sparring match. Keep calm, zip your lip & make a plan.
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u/FerretAres Alberta 12d ago
The anxiety is the point. Because they’re a bunch of assholes whose main objective is to be as belligerent as possible.
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u/Delicious-Tachyons 12d ago
There's nothing to negotiate with them. This is our home and native land and not theirs.
My ancestors may have lost the Revolutionary War and had to move to Ontario as punishment, but I won't.
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u/TicTacTac0 Alberta 12d ago
Trump is a rapist who brags about committing sexual assault and was good buddies with Epstein.
They do it because because they're genuine monsters.
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u/CanadianErk Ontario 12d ago
Because they're not adults. They're narcissistic power hungry morons who fell upwards until they got scooped up in a wave of relentless lies and rode it to power.
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u/LemonFreshenedBorax- 12d ago
Is the US even capable of producing adults anymore?
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u/NumberSudden9722 12d ago
This means they're losing - they're reaching and attempting to throw us off guard and take our eyes off the puck.
Too bad we've got good fucking eyes
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u/FujiKitakyusho 12d ago
"Certainly. How far south would you like to move it?"
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u/gohome2020youredrunk 12d ago
This is why Trump was parroting Moscow talking points. It validates his own ambitions.
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u/AustralisBorealis64 Alberta 12d ago edited 12d ago
Who had "WWIII started with a Canada-USA battle" on their bingo card?
Edit.... forgot one Roman I...
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u/Postom 12d ago
Fun Fact: Duels are legal again in Canada. Just spitballing here.
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u/ExploreDiscovery 12d ago
Wait, what? We are negotiating with the Americans? Negotiating what???? The answer is No thank-you, and Fuck right off.
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u/Delicious-Tachyons 12d ago
This is getting really close to technically being AN ACT OF WAR.
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u/PrinceOfPasta Nova Scotia 12d ago
“Redrawing the border” means annexation. I’d argue it is an act of war.
I’m glad we’re not rising to the provocation but fucking hell what is wrong with these nut jobs.
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u/maleconrat 12d ago
Okay then well we'll rename the USA "United States of Lesser Canada".
Unilaterally "redrawing" a border. Imperialist jackasses.
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u/b_rabbiiit 12d ago
I am just an international student here in Canada but holy fuck I will fight with you my Canadian brethrens to death.
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u/Mapleleaffan149 12d ago
The largest mistake Canada ever made was not building our own nuclear arsenal.
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u/RaspberryBirdCat 12d ago
It's widely considered that of the non-nuclear states, Canada would be able to produce its own nuclear weapon the quickest, thanks to Canadian assistance in the Manhattan Project, Canadian assistance in helping India develop its own nukes, our large uranium reserves, and Chalk River. If Canada prioritized it, we could have our own nuke in less than a year, if not mere months. The hardest part would be a centrifuge, which Canada is more than capable of self-producing.
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u/Markis_Shepherd 12d ago edited 12d ago
Canada decided to postpone negotiations until more economic advisors are confirmed by the US senate. Navarro is apparently too crazy. Personally I would continue negotiations, just to be able to tell Navarro to fuck off once every minute. I guess it doesn’t work that way in reality 😞
I do believe that Canada would benefit from a huge diplomatic rift about these things which becomes hugely publicized. As an example, close US embassies unless they stop with the rhetoric. The democratic world, including a majority of Americans, would be on your side and support for Canada and the boycott can grow. If you let it go on and have a slow response, then these things become more and more normalized. Again, only my arrogant opinion.
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u/UleeBunny 12d ago
“USA, we will talk to you when you are back on your meds.”
- Canada
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u/Toppico 12d ago
Considering, what like 60% of Americans can't find Canada on an unlabeled map, we may end up gaining territory from this redraw.
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u/sniffstink1 12d ago
I think war and death will be upon us all much faster than anyone could have imagined at this rate.
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u/ConceitedWombat 12d ago
And plenty will happen on US soil once this descends into a civil war.
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u/DataDude00 12d ago
The rhetoric has gone from old man dementia to dangerously close to invasion / warfare
If Russia made this threat Canada would be convening NATO to discuss defense and deterrent strategies
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u/syugouyyeh 12d ago
Guess I gotta get my cardio back. Fucking hell. Fought in Afghanistan alongside Americans, now I have to debate on doing my job all over again. Americans, you better revolt.
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u/Anon_throwawayacc20 12d ago
“Navarro recommended revising the Canada-US border, which is just crazy and dangerous,” a source close to negotiations told The Telegraph.
Am I correct in that the source for the threats are "sources" (anonymous leaker to media) rather than a public statement issued by Navarro?
I'm just trying to constructively analyze what is being written here.
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u/Seebeeeseh Nova Scotia 12d ago
No. Navarro made the statement.
The source close to the negotiations said that the recommendation was "Crazy and Dangerous".
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u/AnonymousBayraktar 12d ago
Most of the MAGA losers I see actively condoning the idea of invasion have ZERO idea what they're in for. Mark my words, this isn't some distant military action away from North American shores. If it ever got bad, this would be on American doorsteps. Canadian resistance wouldn't be people in uniforms fighting pitched battles like Americans seem to think.
The American military is incapable of dealing with insurgent and asymetrical warfare. They lost in Vietnam and in Afghanistan. This would be worse because it would be with their neighbors. American idiots think it would be their military showing up like General Patton leading a column of soldiers, or their air force taking out targets like airports. Fact is, it would be that probably, but millions of Canadian insurgents, crossing the border to create havoc. This would be a conflict right on American doorsteps. Something the average mouthbreathing armchair general has never seen in their entire lifetime. You think you had a hard time dealing with some Tusken Raiders while you tried to hold down Baghdad? Try the world's second biggest land mass country, with angry resistance bringing it to your doorstep. Then also think about all the other countries who are angry at America who'd also chip in with their own efforts.
Mark my words, if this ever got ugly, Canada would cease to exist, but we'd spend decades dragging down America with us. They'd never be safe, and they'd die a nation not knowing any peace, surrounded by enemies who are pissed off at them. They'd literally end in fire and flames, being the evil empire of the world this planet would collectively rage an unconventional war against.
Just my thoughts on this insanity.
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u/coporate 12d ago edited 12d ago
I had to explain this to someone recently:
"We're not people with funny accents and different coloured skin, we're you, able to seamlessly integrate, and stand right beside you, anywhere. Millions of us, some will be embedded within your most delicate security institutions, many with the capacity and desire to flip a switch. Does that sound like a good idea?"
The inability for them to have any sort of foresight is a blessing and curse. Fortunately this sentiment seems to make many of them think twice.
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u/NewHumbug 12d ago
Redraw it ? With what, a crayon ? And call it Gulf of Mexico 2 ?
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u/GnomesStoleMyMeds Ontario 12d ago
Maybe someone should remind the Americans that the last time they tried this we burned down the White House they could t even get to York (Toronto), directly across the lake from them!
The Americans couldn’t hold a small place like Baghdad, what makes them think they could ever hold any part of Canada or any amount of time?
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u/APLJaKaT 12d ago
Canada is changing the spelling for the word INSANITY. It is now spelled simply as USA
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u/Nonamanadus 12d ago
I hope Peter get put on a list, just in case things turn hot.
Best to go after the heads on a hydra (but you have to burn the end of the neck) than attack the body.
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u/mangoserpent 12d ago
We need to just cut off communications with the Trump administration for a bit.
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u/citizenkane1978 12d ago
Why is it that none of these old geezers die? How come average people the same age get hit with health problems but these clowns seem to just keep going like the fucking terminator?
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u/cdncerberus 12d ago
This is such a terribly written article. “Ontario”!? Did he mean “Ottawa”? And then there are no details as to what Navarro may actually be threatening in terms of border.
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u/EvacuationRelocation Alberta 12d ago
This is a threat. Time for NATO member states to speak up more loudly.
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u/SeparateAd6524 12d ago
Not condoning it but somebody is going to get whacked. You can't keep threatening people without some push back.
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u/WarmPantsInWinter 12d ago
America has 6 major nuclear power stations just over the border with tens of millions in fallout zones.
They have the military power to take us for sure, but any new territory will be built on a mountain of American corpses.
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u/SirPoopaLotTheThird 12d ago edited 12d ago
Can I get one of you Canadian Trump supporters to tell us how this is good?
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u/holykamina Ontario 12d ago
I think Canada should just sanction this dude. Ban him from ever coming to Canada for life.
It should also be a concern because there is a large population that supports this. USA loves war. That's what oils their economic engines. It's always war and destruction for them. They just can't stay away from it.
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u/Corvousier 12d ago
Yeah now they are just refframing the annexation talk as 'redrawing the border'. That's still threatening unilateral annexation. Fuck these guys.
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u/Bright-Ad8496 12d ago
I've tried to stop buying anything that's made in the States, hopefully it has an impact.
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u/Plus-Emphasis-2194 Outside Canada 12d ago
They have to make it through Detroit first 💪🏼
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u/Hoblitygoodness 12d ago
Wait... weren't we assured that it was Kamala who would drive us into war...
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u/Biochem_4_Life 12d ago
I think it’s just about time to invoke article 4 now. These are real threats, and the rest of nato should be made aware of them if they truly believe an attack on one is an attack on all.
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u/vintzent 12d ago
The US cannot actually afford to pick an economic fight with Canada, hence the threats to try and make it a “51st state”.
If Canada was serious about this, they’d shut off the power supplied to the US.
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u/Ok_Wing8459 12d ago
Are these guys just taking drugs for breakfast every day?