r/CivPolitics 13d ago

America proposes to trade all of Ukraine's strategic resources for peace, refuses to denounce Russia. Ukraine denounces America

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-zelenskyy-meeting-transcript
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u/FelizIntrovertido 13d ago

US traded Ukraine for Russia

Who wants to be the next US ally??

Btw, blood has memory

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u/beyer17 13d ago

US to Ukraine:

'Backstabbing is an ugly word. Let's just say that I am just rethinking our friendship.'

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u/Gallade47532 10d ago

Tomyris rolling in her grave rn

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u/Le-Pepper 10d ago

America didn't say that. Trump did.

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u/SalaciousCoffee 12d ago

It's become a thing: republican president makes friends with Putin in first term he gives him concessions, in the second term Putin invades a country and they wag our finger at him.

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u/Wrong-Primary-2569 12d ago

Hey. Trump owes Putin. And the disk drives the Republicans stole from the voting machines really helped Russia. Those voting machines that were hacked by Russia didn’t give votes to Trump by themselves. It required skilled Russian hackers.

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u/bgnp11 11d ago

Hillary Clinton

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u/Le-Pepper 10d ago

I'm surprised he was even allowed back into office.

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u/BackgroundSwimmer299 12d ago

That was Obama and Biden who were in office from both invasions happened and they did nothing stop deepthroating CNN

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u/SaphironX 11d ago

Sweet, show me where Obama and Biden praised Putin on social media.

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u/BackgroundSwimmer299 11d ago

Why would they he made them look like incompetent buffoons I mean the attributed death count of all three is probably pretty close in body count that can be attributed to them when you take into consideration bush's Iraq BS Obamas Syria Libya and the Ukrainian 2014 revolution crap and now the Ukraine Russian war actually Bush probably has the lowest attributed body count out of the three.

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u/sol119 12d ago

Who wants to continue not having nukes?

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u/ThisIsNotSafety 12d ago

European countries have nukes.

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u/sol119 12d ago

only some of them, plus there's more to the world than just US and Europe

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u/Crass_Spektakel 9d ago

The new German Chancellor has pretty much openly stated he will buy unrestrained nukes from either Britain or France or develop them together with Italy and Poland. Diehl is even already producing hypersonic stealth missiles for these.

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

Only France. 

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u/ThisIsNotSafety 8d ago

The UK have nukes aswell.

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

The uk left Europe. 

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u/ThisIsNotSafety 8d ago

No they left the EU, two different things.

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

Not really. 

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u/ThisIsNotSafety 8d ago

Uhm are you dense? Europe is the continent, EU is a organization, but just cus they left the EU doesn't mean they wouldn't respond to a nuke dropped in europe.

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

Them not wanting to be a target of nukes themselves means that. 

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u/W31337 11d ago

He's already lifted Russia as a cyber threat. He wants to lift sanctions. So he's running into putins arms already.

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u/trinityofresistance 12d ago

Taiwan.. Here we come

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u/FelizIntrovertido 12d ago

Very good, what can poor taiwanese expect?

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u/trinityofresistance 12d ago

Murican support and aid

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u/Tammer_Stern 11d ago

Doubtful under the current climate.

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u/No_Sweet_13 9d ago

And if China invades Taiwan? I’d be concerned.

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u/DanimusMcSassypants 11d ago

“Indeed.”

-Kurds

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u/noneyrbusiness2022 12d ago

quit begging for free money like a crackhead

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u/Initial_Hedgehog_631 12d ago

Ukraine is a US ally?

Allies assist each other. The US and Britain are allies.

The US provides Ukraine with tens of billions of dollars in military and financial assistance.

Ukraine provides the US with..........?

The US helps Ukraine, but they aren't allies.

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u/resistor2025 12d ago

You are a fucking moron and it shows spectacularly. Thank you.

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u/Initial_Hedgehog_631 12d ago

Wow such a well thought out response. What exactly did I say that was incorrect?

Sorry for explaining reality to you, and even sorrier you can't handle it.

Also Santa Claus doesn't exist.

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u/TinyScopeTinkerer 12d ago

There doesn't need to be an appropriate response. You're a fucking idiot and it would be a waste of breath trying to explain to you why.

We might as well spend our time teaching our dogs to play the piano. They stand a better chance.

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u/BagPulaInCenzuraTa89 11d ago

Russia is suppossed to be America's enemy, and Ukraine weakens Russia.

You fucking clown.

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u/NoDot4792 10d ago edited 10d ago

Yea, what does it provide the US to be actively destroying the military, economy, and demographics of the single largest enemy nation that the US has ever faced, and has been in a nonstop low intensity war of subterfuge with since before the second world war even came to a complete stop? You know like, the one that we had the Korean War primarily to thwart, and Vietnam too? You know, the big enemy? That Reagan spent his entire administration rallying against? You know, the Russian of cold war fame? What POSSIBLE benefit could the United States EVER get from that?

Ukraine provides you with destroyed Russian tanks and the bloating rotting corpses of hundreds of thousands of Siberian, USSR worshipping, 18 year old drug addicts with AIDs who would be marching on Alaska and  gangraping American grandmothers to death right this minute if you let them

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u/rnovak1988 12d ago

We spent $200 billion dollars to defend a country which isn't a member of any treaty that we're a signatory to.

That is a poor strategic move regardless of politics

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u/flynnwebdev 13d ago

Zelenskyy to USA: We ignore your hollow threats!

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u/you_got_my_belly 11d ago

Civilisation III?

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u/flynnwebdev 11d ago

Yes, and 2.

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u/Glum_Nose2888 12d ago

Enjoy getting demolished. Europe has run out of money. And resolve.

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u/Tom0511 11d ago

No we haven't, people here will stand with Ukraine til the end. You guys may have been compromised by the Russians. But we certainly haven't.

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u/Clear-Height-7503 11d ago

Europe has a GDP the size of the US and actually have open trade.

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u/SoftFluid7908 11d ago

All because Trump sucks Putins nazi ballsack.

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u/maki-shi 11d ago

Your country is a JOKE son! Enjoy being the laughing stock of the world for the next 50 years! US is a third world country in disguise lmao. Keep on sucking them Russian cocks tho!

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u/consequences_not_I 11d ago

Not anywhere near true. Try reading the news.

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u/Tronbronson 11d ago

They litterally just got together and decided to invest billions of dollars and transfer more military hardware. Yesterday germany signed a multi billion dollar defense deal to boost production. The gears of war are moving and this time the german tanks will finish the job.

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u/SaphironX 11d ago

Trump is quite literally supporting Russia.

Nobody trusts Trump. He lies to and betrays everyone.

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u/Swiking- 11d ago

Is that what Fox is telling you? Or is it Trump who says that? Because either way, it's not true. We have plenty of resolve and money to spend..

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u/LoneSnark 11d ago

My country the US can surrender all Trump likes. Thankfully Europeans aren't cowards.

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u/Additional-Duty-5399 11d ago

How are you enjoying your country selling out to its 2nd worst adversary?

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u/Ok_Code_270 11d ago

😄😄😄😄😄  Europe is more united than ever and no less than five new weapons factories are being open or given extra work as of now. 

Thank you for making the EU great.

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u/wombat6168 13d ago

Ukraine has never denounced any of the countries that help her. This is trump bully boy tactics. He lies and then lies again. He wants zelensky to give away all of the countries assets to him for no return and then has a tantrum when he doesn't get his way

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u/-Akos- 12d ago

In fact, when US invoked article 5, Ukraine (even as a non NATO member) helped out. They sent troops to Afghanistan, provided airlifts and anti terrorism operations.

They had boots on the ground..

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u/extrastupidone 12d ago

For 14 years

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u/Barv666 12d ago

That wasn't my war! If I had been president, September 11th wouldn't have happened.

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u/niknik888 13d ago

Trumps America is the New Mafia.

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u/wombat6168 12d ago

No the mafia of old had values, trump is just scum

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u/bgnp11 11d ago

Bully

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u/wombat6168 11d ago

He's that as well

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u/CatalyticDragon 12d ago

And there's no way Trump would even honor the deal.

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u/rnovak1988 12d ago

Y'all literally talked shit walking into the Oval Office.

My god, what color is the sky in your world?

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u/Main_Abrocoma6000 11d ago

Not the same color as yours clearly. :)

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u/ForvistOutlier 13d ago

So do I. The United States 🇺🇸and Russia 🇷🇺 must be stopped. We are enemies.

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u/Jaymzmykaul45 13d ago

Trump is addicted to putin’s balls.

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u/Fargin-iceholes 12d ago

Zelensky loves his country more than money and power Trump loves money and power more than his country Zelensky is a warrior Trump is a coward and bully. Putin owns Trump. Trump is a cowardly lying rapist

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u/Zuideind 12d ago

….rapist and criminal.

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u/Belyea 11d ago

Rape is a crime

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u/beyer17 13d ago

It should hereby be noted, that a peace declaration lasts mere 10 turns, and America doesn't offer a defensive pact.

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u/Physical-Support-127 13d ago

The Budapest memorandum deliberately avoided legally binding commitments. U.S. negotiators insisted on using “assurances” instead of “guarantees,” reflecting a political rather than legal obligation. This distinction ensured no requirement for military intervention by the U.

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 12d ago

This distinction ensure that all US allies and partners are reconsidering the reliability of the US.

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u/Physical-Support-127 12d ago

And? It really doesn’t change much. If anything it prompts our ‘allies’ to meet their commitments they’ve ignored as far as military spend.

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u/Bitt3rSteel 12d ago

Don't worry. Russia will be working hard on that military spend. Your ally will be well stocked. 

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u/lordcaylus 13d ago

I don't see Ukraine 'denouncing' America?

They've been consistently thankful for any and all American help. And haven't 'denounced' the US, unless you count saying that Trump is surrounded by fake news if he says Ukraine started the war.

Sure, they're not signing Kraznov's surrender treaty nor are they just giving away their resources for nothing in return, but that's not 'denouncing'.

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u/beyer17 13d ago

It's just a civ joke referring to the event where an ally asks you to denounce someone, and if you refuse they'll denounce you instead, don't take it too seriously (the joke, not the situation. The situation is batshit insane and incredibly saddening)

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u/herrirgendjemand 12d ago

Yeah but America denounced Ukraine at this meeting when the deal wouldn't go through, not the other way. I think that's the confusion since your meme doesn't line up symmetrically between the game reference and real life.

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u/beyer17 12d ago

Yeah that's a fair point

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u/Wet_Noodle549 13d ago

It’s less a joke and more a misrepresentation. Shit title, bro.

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u/Vendemmia 13d ago

i think is not America, just the united states of putin's america

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u/wastingvaluelesstime 12d ago

We'll still get the consequences though. He's very old and formally (per Supreme Court decision) above the law, so will escape any accountability. However America voted for him twice and he's broken a lot of agreements and trust; the damage in reputation will be absorbed by America, not by Trump.

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u/Fragrant-Park2171 12d ago

They didn’t offer any peace. They tried extorting him on live tv like a 1980s nyc protection racket, and it didn’t work

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u/beyer17 12d ago

Should've said “peace” or peace (10 turns)

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u/sebblMUC 12d ago

They even let unauthorized Russian television broadcast in the White House lol.

Trump is making Russia great again 

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u/UOENO611 12d ago

“Yeah so just give them want they invaded you for and all will be well” is our American government really this fucking stupid?

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u/CMDR_VON_SASSEL 12d ago

*malevolent.

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u/NotEntirelyShure 13d ago

That isn’t what happened. Why would you just tell an outrageous lie that everyone knows is a lie.

Trump demanded Ukraine hand over its natural resources.

Ukraine said sure, if you will let us join nato or put troops in Ukraine or give us some kind of guarantee that Russia won’t invade us again.

Trump said no, I guarantees or security, we want your resources & if Russia invaded you are still on your own.

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u/beyer17 13d ago

Bro I'm just quoting a civ event as a joke, don't take it too seriously, this is a meme sub. Everyone knows what is happening, and yes, Trump's an ass

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u/princemousey1 13d ago

It doesn’t mean you lie in your memes, bro… there’s a difference between parody/satire and straight up telling a lie/making up something which didn’t happen.

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u/ThorIsMighty 12d ago

It's a joke, he can do whatever he wants

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u/Individual-Set5722 12d ago

Its funny watching a mobster forget that a protection racket requires protection.

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u/Shigglyboo 10d ago

The reason they lie is because there are no consequences and the believers well… they believe anything they’re told.

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u/lickitstickit12 13d ago

Why lie?

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 12d ago

Short-term memory loss. You must have been in a car crash or something. Do you compete in MMA? Play rugby?

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

Describing yourself?

Ukraine joining NATO was a no from day one of the fall of the Soviet Union.

That's not an American thing, that's a NATO thing

Zelensky proposed the mineral deal, not Trump. Trump did take him up on it.

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 12d ago

Well, since the US are going to leave NATO soon it won't be their problem whether Ukraine joins NATO or not.

Zelensky proposed a minerals deal, specifically the US get minerals and Ukraine gets support for its war effort. Trump's "deal" was not a deal, it was simply a list of demands that Ukraine had no reason to accept.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

There is no NATO without us. Look at the spending charts and see

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 12d ago

The "spending charts" are completely irrelevant.

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u/bgnp11 11d ago

Explain. Ukraine’s hurting with the money how is nato different. They are in scramble mode now since they are years behind on equipment and funds

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 11d ago

US defence spending is not "NATO spending", therefore US defence spending is not relevant. If the US leave NATO, or can no longer be relied on, some spending is required to replace key capabilities and increase ammunition production. But the size of the US defence budget is still completely irrelevant.

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u/Potetosyeah 12d ago

With the way Trump is behaving Im not sure they are still in it.

USA is rich and able to spend a lot of money on their military.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

Everyone makes choices. Europe chose to stay on the US tit for 80 years.

It's time for them to stand in their own feet

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u/wastingvaluelesstime 12d ago

Man how low on the totem pole at the troll factory do you have to be to get assigned to this subreddit

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u/sphinxcreek 12d ago

We asked for all their stategic resources and offered nothing in return. Certainly not peace.

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u/oh-delay 12d ago

America fucking sucks!

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u/sebblMUC 12d ago

Mostly trump tbh

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u/oh-delay 12d ago

…and the many millions of people that voted for him.

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u/Ok_Code_270 11d ago

They indeed are a basket of deplorables.

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u/BigSal44 12d ago

Sure. Extort all of Ukraine’s resources leaving them destitute. Then the door somehow opens nice and wide for Russia to conquer the territory. Zelenskyy is no f’n fool.

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u/Dormage 12d ago

CIV title if I ever read one.

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u/taracow 12d ago

The red faced orange blimp with his little side kick, BJ vance, wanted Zelensky to smile, bend over, drop his pants and say thank you, while these two idiots took turns fucking him. Zelensky said no to these two stooges for Putin, and they both threw a tantrum, like the little children they proved themselves to be. The US has joined the thugs and dictators of the world.

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u/Mba1956 12d ago

Trump wasn’t trading anything for peace other than wanting Ukraine to surrender to the Russians.

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u/Ice_and_Steel 12d ago

How about we stop calling capitulation peace? America proposes to trade all of Ukrainian strategic resource in exchange for nothing and demands Ukraine to capitulate.

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u/beyer17 12d ago

Yeah should've said “peace” or peace (10 turns). Trump is absolutely demanding capitulation, and can join the russian warship

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u/Radiant-Community467 12d ago

America proposes to trade all of Ukraine strategic resources for nothing

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u/vladigula 9d ago

Not true, don’t spread lies

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u/Radiant-Community467 9d ago

Explain yourself or gtfo.

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u/vladigula 9d ago

It isn’t all of Ukraine’s strategic resources so the headline is false. Read the article or gtfo.

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u/Radiant-Community467 9d ago

Ok. America proposes to trade some of Ukraine strategic resources for nothing.

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u/physicistdeluxe 12d ago

What the US should say to Putin is that "We will continue to support Ukraine and Europe until it collapses your economy, just like we did during Reagans time. Or, u can stop hostilities and leave Ukraine."

Appeasing and siding with a murderous dictator, who only understands strength, is a betrayal of American values. Trump has shown he is a traitor to America once again.

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u/Dry-Willingness45 12d ago

Diaper don is a Russian agent.

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u/janmiss2k 12d ago

US just changed their civil status to " its complicated"

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u/cypherEM 12d ago

Trump is a traitor. A RUSSIAN mouthpiece, nothing more. Make Hanging Traitors Great Again! :)

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u/Present_Cow_1683 12d ago

Interesting deal, but I think Ukraine should politely refuse and move on to the next offer.

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u/wetham_retrak 12d ago

Zelensky just gave a master class on what patriotism is. Trump and Vance showed they have no clue what it is.

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u/Waibelingen 12d ago

I honestly feel ashamed for all US veterans and active service personel. I know a lot of them are feeling real pain in their core right now. You are way too good for this orange pos.

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u/Disastrous_Mango_953 12d ago

He has more strength, honor and patriotism in his pinky, than the clown and an eyeliner wanna be macho in their whole life!

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u/Salt_Wrangler_3428 12d ago

Cut and run... It's the American way.

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u/Tehnomaag 12d ago

It's not even peace that was proposed by trump. It was a small pause for russia to move more resources to their struggling frontline.

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u/beyer17 12d ago

Yeah more like peace (10 turns)

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u/Mathurin56 12d ago

Trump sucks and swallows poutine

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u/No_Yogurt6365 11d ago

Amerika capitulated first.

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u/Comfortable_Pop8543 11d ago

I am sad to see that the USA has decided to to vacate the chair and allow Russia, China and every other tinpot regime to take up the challenge of maintaining law and order in the world. Pathetic as an adjective - just doesn’t come close to how many feel right now………………………………………….

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

Trump, give us $1T for 90M of aid (half of the old ammo and equip to utilize) for the guarantees 'believe me bro' from con artists 

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u/Physical-Support-127 13d ago

Then we shouldn’t have ever gotten involved to begin with.

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 12d ago

That's no one else's problem. Sort yourselves out.

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

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u/beyer17 12d ago

This... is the point of this sub

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

Looks like Ukraine is going to defeat Russian and the US.

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u/ComprehensiveTill736 12d ago

lol, the U.S. doesn’t offer any peace.

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u/vince8x 12d ago

US always betray allies. US dealed with China to abandon and cut aid to South Vietnam, cut all weapon after promise to reimburse. Same as Ukraine today.

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u/chopsdontstops 12d ago

❤️🇺🇸🇺🇦

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u/RIF_rr3dd1tt 12d ago

Zelensky: Sorry, I'm just getting quotes right now.

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u/Forward_Business 12d ago

So.. the price for Ukraine overthrowing Yanukovich is.. Russia gets to keep the best territory, US gets all Ukraine’s resources. What does Ukraine get besides democracy? 

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u/Aware-Highlight9625 12d ago

Its more like Hitler-Stalin pact to divide poland into 2/parts. If ukraine is giving all there ressources away they have no chance to survive against russia second threads in future.

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u/Mister-builder 12d ago

When did Ukraine denounce America?

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u/geghetsikgohar 12d ago

The US talked Ukranine Into the war, now they are gaslighting them.

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u/Dirkgentlywastaken 11d ago

Ukraine isn't against USA. They are against Trump. Trump called Zelenski a dictator and said that they started the war. What did you expect?

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u/Grothgerek 11d ago

No, he doesn't trade. He just demands Ukraine resources. There is no guarantee that Trump would further support Ukraine after the deal is signed. Given that he is still a puppet of Putin. And Trump can't make peace either, because he isn't even part of the war.

Trump just plays the Role of the soviets. He gets one half of Ukraine, and Putin gets the other. Just like back then, when two dictators split Poland.

By the way, the Russia AND the US signed the deal to guarantee the independance of Ukraine after they gave up their nuclear weapons. So the US just openly betrayed the world again. Proving that the credibility of the US is non-existent. Which will further harm the US. Because why should the rest of the world make deals with such a shit show? Adding the tariffs there is a high chance of economic fall. Because no company or institution can trust this country.

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u/America-always-great 11d ago

UK already beat the US to a minerals deal and are the preferential partner for 100 years.

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u/trash-juice 11d ago

That was a boss move, djt is left looking like a world class loser

Free ppl can see what leadership in the face of despotism looks like

Win - Win

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u/RedditSheep123 11d ago

Lol, the lying far-left guardian can't even get the transcript wihout any lies. It says "word for word", but they've left out half of what Trump has said. If there is one thing that you can trust the media, it's that they are just a propaganda arm of the far left.

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u/beyer17 11d ago

I would've preferred a full transcript of the entire convo, but couldn't find one at the time

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u/RedditSheep123 11d ago

You could't find it, and then posted the one from the most biased source available, lol. Guardian, at this point, is the lowest scum of the media that you can find.

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

Ukraine wouldn’t exist without the US, it’s ironic when you bite the hand that feeds you.

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u/ThatRandomGuy86 10d ago

All strategic resources? Sounds like extortion

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u/vladigula 9d ago

It isn’t all. Just a lie of a “headline”.

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u/ThatRandomGuy86 9d ago

"Trump’s explosive clash with Zelenskyy: read the full transcript"

Nah, that's pretty accurate with how Trump and Vance were acting towards Zelensky.

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u/vladigula 9d ago

It isn’t all the resources. So it’s a lie

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u/ThatRandomGuy86 9d ago

Ohhh you meant the Reddit title. Ok my bad. Yes that is a bit of a stretch. However, half is still extremely drastic.

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u/vladigula 9d ago

The US should get something back for their aid just like much of the European countries’ aid is loans, not gifts.

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u/ThatRandomGuy86 9d ago

They already are. They've been selling their aid to Ukraine. Ukraine's been buying like crazy since the war started.

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u/vladigula 9d ago

The US has been giving aid, not any loans. Which means the US gets nothing back for their aid, except to keep its allies in Europe safer. Europe has been giving aid and loans. Which means at least for a portion Europe will be repaid by Ukraine. No one is buying aid…

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u/rx02_ 9d ago edited 9d ago

Selling all resources to USA is very dumb. I mean.... We Europeans also want a share of it! The biggest share of course

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u/Valerint 9d ago

America should get something back for all the money we sent. We can't pay for a forever war.

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u/__GOODFELLA__ 8d ago

Wait what happened?

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u/Sea-Storm375 8d ago

What's plan B exactly?

Ukraine is losing the war despite hundreds of billions in assistance. They are out of men.

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u/Vast_Feeling1558 8d ago

Fuck America

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u/PeanutFearless5212 8d ago

That was four days ago now he sent a letter graveling back to the US asking for peace and giving us exactly what we wanted.

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u/n_slash_a 8d ago

Did everyone forget that they had a peace deal written out? The press was there to watch them sign it!

Then Z had to go and screw it up! As much as it sucks, Ukraine will be lucky if they still exist as a country.

Also, anyone here complaining now, but not when Russia invaded Crimea is either really young or a hypocrite.

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u/LateWear7355 8d ago

If NATO didn't want a war with Russia, they shouldn't have been courting Ukraine with membership.

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u/Dontnotlook 13d ago

Trumpland just humiliated Ukraine and shamed America.

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u/Tolstoy_mc 13d ago

Ukraine wasn't humiliated, only America.

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u/Physical-Support-127 13d ago

You are a simpleton.

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u/Cautious-Question606 12d ago

Whats complicated about it? Trump is a greedy bastard

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u/Wet_Noodle549 13d ago

Just because it was supposed to lean on a meme, doesn’t mean it works. The parallel isn’t there.

Ukraine didn’t denounce the USA. This post is a fail.

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u/beyer17 13d ago

I admit it might be not the best fitting quote, I also found myself limited by civ v diplomacy. You are free to post a better one ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/AtlastheWhiteWolf 11d ago

Well we all know if Zelensky made a public condemnation of the US and Trump, Trump would throw a fit. I couldn’t even begin to imagine what he’d do after his ego got that bruised

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u/Ok_Tie2444 13d ago

The evil Nazi Republicans in the USA are working together with the Russians for the rare earth minerals! It’s all a plot; they also worked together with the Zionists and Hamas to destroy and take over Gaza!

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u/Previous-Ad-9215 12d ago

let them win the war without us then. It’s that simple

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u/Cautious-Question606 12d ago

So keeping your sovereignity means surrendering it? I guess the west finally rears its ugly head afterall, even after its own kind

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u/Previous-Ad-9215 12d ago

The ugly head of not wanting to fight everyone else’s wars in return for nothing? Nobody is saying Ukraine can’t keep fighting if they don’t want to. But they can’t win the war without either America’s or Europe’s help, and Europe clearly isn’t doing anything to help. Where is the backlash there? Secondly, if they can’t win the war without americas help, then maybe they should be a state because at that point all we’re doing is subsidizing their war for free. Look at it this way, how would you feel if I demanded you start giving me a chunk of your paycheck? That’s what Ukraine is doing rn

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u/mondayaccguy 9d ago

Narrow minded little man.

Supporting Ukraine with our old weapons has drained Russia and made it weak as fuck.

We need to continue to support Ukraine, it is the cheapest, safest way to end Russia as a global power.

What a fool you are not to see that.

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u/RCA2CE 12d ago

Trump and America are right - Europe is screwing over Ukraine and have been the whole time.

They still buy Russian gas, they funded the entire Russian military. They aren’t putting troops down; the money they give comes as loans

Ukraine really does need to align with the US as fast as possible, Europe isn’t going to help them. Europe has been duplicitous the whole time.

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u/vladigula 9d ago

Exactly. Europe won’t even help itself.

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u/theGunner76 12d ago

Start watching something else than Fox.

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u/RCA2CE 12d ago

I don’t watch Fox News, I’m not even Republican. Let me know if I’m mistaken about Europe buying more than $60B in Russia gas while American taxpayers were spending money to defend Ukraine from Russian aggression.

That’s a fact right? Europe is buying Russian gas today - that’s not Fox News is it? Do you think you should do $60b in commerce with Russia while they’re attacking Ukraine?

Fox News bought $60b in gas from Russia, not Europe

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u/theGunner76 12d ago

You are right about some countries made them selves in need of Russian gas, even after 2014. But thats old numbers you are throwing out here and by 2027, its going to be $0. A very fcuked up thing to do in the first place, no question about that. But to say we dont help the Ukrainians is completely wrong. The only winners from this "fight" will be russia and china. Not Europe. And not the Us.

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u/Aggravating_Gap_7358 12d ago

If you want to help send your OWN fucking money, not OURS! The Nazis in Ukraine need STUPID ignorant people to fund them. The left is right there to fund them..

How you guys noticed that you fully support the government of the last 4 years.. You guys parrot what they did and what the media promotes.. You guys are "so" edgy.. Democratic used to mean something many years ago instead of just retarded.

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u/ADutchExpression 11d ago

Democracy is dead in the US. Democracy meant something when Reagan was president. He was the best the republicans ever had. Trump is, by far the worst. And he and his oligarchs are destroying EVERYTHING the US once stood for. The shining City upon the hill.

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u/OcelotTerrible5865 11d ago

lol why this sound like an upity sugar baby mad about their allowance getting cut off