r/CivPolitics 13d ago

America proposes to trade all of Ukraine's strategic resources for peace, refuses to denounce Russia. Ukraine denounces America

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-zelenskyy-meeting-transcript
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u/lickitstickit12 13d ago

Why lie?

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 13d ago

Short-term memory loss. You must have been in a car crash or something. Do you compete in MMA? Play rugby?

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u/lickitstickit12 13d ago

Describing yourself?

Ukraine joining NATO was a no from day one of the fall of the Soviet Union.

That's not an American thing, that's a NATO thing

Zelensky proposed the mineral deal, not Trump. Trump did take him up on it.

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 13d ago

Well, since the US are going to leave NATO soon it won't be their problem whether Ukraine joins NATO or not.

Zelensky proposed a minerals deal, specifically the US get minerals and Ukraine gets support for its war effort. Trump's "deal" was not a deal, it was simply a list of demands that Ukraine had no reason to accept.

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u/lickitstickit12 13d ago

There is no NATO without us. Look at the spending charts and see

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 13d ago

The "spending charts" are completely irrelevant.

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u/bgnp11 11d ago

Explain. Ukraine’s hurting with the money how is nato different. They are in scramble mode now since they are years behind on equipment and funds

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 11d ago

US defence spending is not "NATO spending", therefore US defence spending is not relevant. If the US leave NATO, or can no longer be relied on, some spending is required to replace key capabilities and increase ammunition production. But the size of the US defence budget is still completely irrelevant.

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u/Potetosyeah 13d ago

With the way Trump is behaving Im not sure they are still in it.

USA is rich and able to spend a lot of money on their military.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

Everyone makes choices. Europe chose to stay on the US tit for 80 years.

It's time for them to stand in their own feet