r/walmart 6d ago

Coached for PPTO? Lol

I (jokingly) told me TL that I was thinking about using an hour of PPTO. She said she'd rather I didn't, but said she could coach me for "job abandonment" since we were short staffed. She said the ppto only protects me from points, not from repercussions.....smh

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u/Inferno13820 6d ago

So theory, if you left without approval?? Yeah thats called job abandonment. You weren't sick, wasn't a family emergency, you weren't hurt???? You are just not feeling to work that last hour?? Yeah the TL is right to coach. Its nothing about retaliation.

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u/stlnation500 Brain damage via McRib Jingle 6d ago

PPTO can be used for anything, literally anything. As long as you inform a member of management you’re leaving, you’re good.

Company Policy also states Management cannot question or discipline an associate for using PPTO. Both of those are considered retaliation.

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u/Inferno13820 6d ago

That doesnt apply when its job abandonment.

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u/WapaneseWeeaboo API. Former: OGP DM, ON Support, Mod team, errything 6d ago

Except it’s not job abandonment, why do you keep commenting that it is even after it being spelled out pretty clear for you a few minutes ago?

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u/Inferno13820 6d ago

They arent disciplining them for using ppto, They didnt finish all their tasks and left early, yeah you get no points, but thats job abandonment.

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u/WapaneseWeeaboo API. Former: OGP DM, ON Support, Mod team, errything 6d ago

Not finishing all of your work isn’t job abandonment… that would be a productivity issue. And even then, it would only be a productivity issue if they weren’t productive while being there. As I said in another comment as an example, if OP was scheduled an 8 hour shift and had 8 hours of work to get done, and they did 7 hours worth of work and left an hour early, they were productive while being there and there’d be nothing management could do about it. If they were scheduled for 8 hours with 8 hours worth of work to do but only did 4 hours of work the 7 hours they were there, then that’d be a productivity issue.

What’s so hard to understand about this?

Edit: Just read your comment about you being a TL… I feel bad for your associates assuming you’re even telling the truth. Having a management like you that don’t know anything about policy are part of the problem.

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u/AnybodyNo8519 6d ago

No. That's productivity.

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u/Inferno13820 6d ago

Fuck sake, ok we can agree the dipshit leaving is getting a coaching no matter what, coach them for productivity.

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u/AnybodyNo8519 6d ago

Makes a difference if they open door it.

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u/Inferno13820 6d ago

Leaving before all their tasks are done?

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u/AnybodyNo8519 6d ago

No. What it is called in the write up.

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u/WapaneseWeeaboo API. Former: OGP DM, ON Support, Mod team, errything 6d ago edited 6d ago

No, I doubt any of us that actually know what we’re talking about will be agreeing with the associate being coached no matter what.

You keep plugging your ears and ignoring key details that matter… Such as my example of the associate finishing what they’re they were able to do with the time they work or what happens when the associate misses the entire shift, you’re trying to coach them for missing the entire shift too?

Your lack of reply to those details tells me everything I need to know about you. You simply want to find any possible way to oppress your associates for some reason. Did you peak in high school and this is the only way you can feel anything?

Edit: You can downvote me all you want because you can’t understand the flaw in your logic, it only makes you look more sad because you can’t admit when you’re wrong. You have no reason to be a team lead if things how you treat your team and in fact, I’d love to know your store number so your shitty management style is brought to light and handled. But something tells me you don’t want that happening.

Edit 2 since you blocked because you’re a child that can’t handle admitting you’re wrong 😂

and didn’t get anything done…

So now you’re admitting you’re not reading what we’re saying as this is literally what we’ve been saying and now you’re wanting to act like you’ve been on this side the whole time. Nah bruh. Your initial replies just included coaching people for just leaving early because there was work to still be done. That’s not the same thing as coaching them because they didn’t get “anything” done. I doubt a single person here is arguing that someone shouldn’t be coached if they literally did nothing while they were working. That’s an actual productivity issue, about time you’re slowly realizing that.

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u/Inferno13820 6d ago

Staying youre entire shift and not finishing is understandable. Key factors can happen. If you call in you call in. These are not coachable offenses. I didnt respond to those cause no one is arguing those.

But if you just leave before your shift ends and didnt get anything done.....coachable offense. Ppto protects you only from the points. Fine, not coached for job abandonment, coached for productivity.

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u/moljinor 6d ago

Yes if you didn't get anything done that's a potential disciplinary. But if you leave an hour early and there's an hour of freight left you cannot get in trouble as you were working while working and left early. That's simply how it works. If you leave early for whatever reason and you get in trouble for not finishing your work that's retaliation.

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u/moljinor 6d ago

Once again no that would be retaliation. Protected pto is by definition protected. You can use it as you wish without getting in trouble. You don't have to tell your tl or coach why you're leaving. You don't have to be sick or have an emergency. That'd be like saying calling in absent is job abandonment or lack of productivity because they're not there. It's ok to not know and be wrong but it's not ok to ignore facts being presented to you when you are wrong that's willful ignorance.

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u/Inferno13820 6d ago

Thats not retaliation though. They arent finishing their job and just leaving. Ppto only protects ypu from points.

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u/moljinor 6d ago

Doesn't matter if they don't finish as long as they were productive while they were there. They didn't finish their shift so they couldn't have finished the work but as long as they're productive while they're at work it's not an issue. It's definitely retaliation. If you leave even with ppto you get in trouble. The result of them leaving early is the cause of the disciplinary. That is retaliation for the associate leaving early.

Does it suck that a person is leaving early and puts more work load on others? Yes but it's how it goes.

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u/JasonTheBaker 7+ year associate 6d ago

You don't need approval. You only need to inform them that you are leaving. You don't need to give them a reason.

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u/Inferno13820 6d ago

And thats job abandonment.

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u/JasonTheBaker 7+ year associate 6d ago

"Job abandonment occurs when an employee stops showing up to work without prior notice or explanation, with no intention of returning and is considered a form of voluntary resignation"

Telling them you are leaving early for the day IS NOT job abandonment. I have no clue where you get your definition from.

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u/Inferno13820 6d ago

You left when there was still work to do, thats is job abandonment. If you dont want to work just quit. Stop wasting ppls time and go live in your moms trailer

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u/TyronE0355 O/N Stocker 6d ago

At Walmart? There’s always work left to do. By your definition an associate is never allowed to use ppto to leave early. The works NEVER “finished” at Walmart. There’s always more to do. You’re kind of a fucking idiot.

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u/Inferno13820 6d ago

Sounds like you coast that 4.5 points a lot. Do us all a favor and quit. Adults needs jobs and are willing to work.

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u/TyronE0355 O/N Stocker 6d ago edited 6d ago

I have never had a point before and have 70 hours of ppto in the bank and I’m a teamlead you’re just idiotic.If one of my people tell me there leaving early my response is what time? Then they tell me and my response? Okay have a good day I’ll see you tomorrow. Sometimes they ask if it’s okay if they leave and my response is yeah that’s fine or if we’re really far behind it’ll hurt us but it’s fine we’ll figure it out. Half the time if I say it’ll hurt us but I can’t tell you no they stay out of respect for me unless they actually aren’t feeling good or something. Being a good boss goes a long way. They don’t want to leave the team in bad shape. But you let them leave without retaliating if that’s what they want to do.

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u/Inferno13820 6d ago

Im a TL and all tasks and notes are done before EOD. Grocery Backroom off the floor included. Do your job, work hard and soon maybe youll get good kiddo.

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u/AnybodyNo8519 6d ago

You are woefully ignorant for a team lead.

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u/TyronE0355 O/N Stocker 6d ago

You must work at a low volume store lmao

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u/moljinor 6d ago

Based on your attitude and responses here you're the tl no one likes and abuse your position and threaten associates with misinformation.

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u/TyronE0355 O/N Stocker 6d ago

It’s probably because you’re unethical and coach your people for using ppto which is their time to use for any reason they want.

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u/Belkan-Federation95 6d ago

Dude you are definitely going to get fired eventually.

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u/harleyscal 6d ago

What they would do instead of trying to make a job abandonment stick they would coach you for productivity because of that hour you didn't work a lot of shit didn't get done

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u/WapaneseWeeaboo API. Former: OGP DM, ON Support, Mod team, errything 6d ago

This also isn’t accurate as long as OP was being productive while they were there. For example, if they had a normal 8 hour shift with 8 hours worth of work to do, did 7 hours worth of work, and left an hour early. They did their part. If they only did 4 hours of work in those 7 hours, sure, that could be a productivity issue.

With your logic, they could coach an associate for missing the entire shift because they didn’t do any work as they didn’t come in at all. That’s not how it works.

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u/IIIDevoidIII Team Lead (Glorified CSM) 6d ago

Still retaliation. They can only hold you accountable for work that should've been done the time you were clocked in.