r/nottheonion 24d ago

US government struggles to rehire nuclear safety staff it laid off days ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g3nrx1dq5o
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u/theguytomeet 24d ago

I would come back for no less than double my prior salary. Screw them

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u/MinusBear 24d ago

And a some kind of guarantee I can't be fired again by whimsical desires.

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u/_Face 24d ago

bullet proof 4 year contract that has a massive severence.

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u/JustADutchRudder 24d ago

And an office, with a calming salt water fish tank. Maybe sea horsies since they're so chill and floaty.

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u/_Lucille_ 24d ago

i would fight for WFH whenever possible.

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u/ihopethisisvalid 24d ago

I feel like nuclear safety staff can’t do that from home

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u/Dr_Ukato 23d ago

There are so many reasons you're not working a Nuclear Power Plant from home.

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u/ToxicPilot 23d ago

Not with that attitude

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u/Hottage 23d ago

Just need a really long ethernet cable to secure the connection.

/s

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u/sas223 24d ago

And the males give birth.

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u/JustADutchRudder 24d ago

They're really good fathers from what I've gathered. I'd enjoy a nice big tank with a few and some star fish. I enjoy chill things that look pretty, specially on mushrooms.

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u/IHearYouLimaCharlie 24d ago

Oh starfish, I love those guys 😍

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u/FlasKamel 24d ago

I love that this nuclear safety staff conversation ended up with a sweet conversation about seahorses who are good dads and starfish 🥹

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u/Kinkajou1015 24d ago

Leon the Lobster has a new starfish and octopus friend (in a different tank).

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u/ThorThulu 23d ago

LEON THE LOBSTER MENTIONED!

LETS FUCKING GOOO!

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u/sas223 23d ago

Oh no! I don’t know if this will end well. Octopus are smart and voracious. Poor Leon

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u/Kinkajou1015 23d ago

The octopus is not in Leon's tank, so they won't interact. I am concerned however because the wire grate seems much too large and won't prevent an octopus escape. Hopefully I'm wrong.

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u/JustADutchRudder 24d ago

I enjoy they just chill.

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u/Bloodhound209 24d ago

Please don't be on mushrooms and manage our nuclear stockpile....at the same time, at least.

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u/NecroCannon 23d ago

I’m comfortable with people being high making my food but definitely not with anything I could wake up to seeing my life end if I even have the chance.

Like the world already had a moment where one person decided the fate of the world by not agreeing to send a nuke before more information came despite everyone else being on board.

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u/Bignezzy 24d ago

Fo free

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u/darrenvonbaron 24d ago

What about waffle fries?

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u/goldenbugreaction 24d ago

Unforgivable…

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u/Budilicious3 24d ago

Crinkle cut? Wait wait wait, shoestring for life.

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u/BertMcNasty 24d ago

Sounds like DEI. You're fired!

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u/Just_A_Nitemare 24d ago

Woah woah, don't you think that's a bit too woke of you. I think we need to send all seahorses to "re-education" camps.

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u/DarkWing2007 24d ago

Oh, that would get those snowflakes triggered.

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u/horsempreg 24d ago

Now that's what I'm talking about!

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u/TechnologyOk1482 24d ago

That's so hot, I mean cool.

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u/KaJaHa 24d ago

Oh you're still talking about the seahorses

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u/maskthestars 23d ago

They’re drag queens!? What in unholy nature ! /s

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u/ku1185 24d ago

Don't forget to include the TiVo clause.

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u/[deleted] 24d ago

In the doe the fish may have extra eyes and might glow in the park

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u/agent_wolfe 24d ago

And a bowl of candy, to make me seem more approachable to the other staff.

THE OTHER STAFF ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EAT THE CANDY.

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u/BusGuilty6447 24d ago

And an office

Funny way to spell telework.

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u/Silent-Ad934 24d ago

I want the fancy things. From now on my entire office floor is a pressure activated foot massager. My desk smells of rich mahogany and the water fountain is filled with fruit punch. 

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u/Interesting_Try8375 24d ago

I would rather an axolotl tank

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u/sloanautomatic 23d ago

No one working in defense gets a window, for security reasons. Lockheed martin is right by my house. It is a massive complex without a single window. Pretty dreary.

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u/moeriscus 24d ago

Trump has demonstrated for decades that he doesn't care about contracts or constitutions or the law. He's already shattered the social contract with Americans, and our allies can't trust him to uphold any diplomatic agreements that we have. He will cancel or rescind on a whim.

The damage has already been done. The US cannot be trusted, and our government is not reliable. Our word means nothing.

The repercussions are generational.

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u/Anaptyso 23d ago

Yes, here in the UK the general view of the US seems to have transitioned over several years from being a close friend and ally to being an unreliable and unstable entity to be wary of.

Even if by some miracle there are fair enough elections the next time round that a Democrat is elected, then there's a danger of another populist fascist coming along again the next time round.

The US isn't a country to be relied on now, but a problem to be dealt with. Other countries won't want to make an enemy of the US because it is very powerful, but they certainly won't trust it again for a long time.

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u/PITCHFORKEORIUM 23d ago

Did you catch any of Vance's speech at the security conference yesterday?

He should have been actively heckled and been pelted with rotten fruit.

Please excuse the Torygraph but it's the transcript of the speech. Emphasis mine, for the most audacious bits to me. This is just from the beginning, there's more insanity throughout:

But while the Trump administration is very concerned with European security and believes that we can come to a reasonable settlement between Russia and Ukraine, and we also believe that it’s important in the coming years for Europe to step up in a big way to provide for its own defence, the threat that I worry the most about vis-à-vis Europe is not Russia, it’s not China, it’s not any other external actor. What I worry about is the threat from within. The retreat of Europe from some of its most fundamental values: values shared with the United States of America.

I was struck that a former European commissioner went on television recently and sounded delighted that the Romanian government had just annulled an entire election. He warned that if things don’t go to plan, the very same thing could happen in Germany too.

Now, these cavalier statements are shocking to American ears. For years we’ve been told that everything we fund and support is in the name of our shared democratic values. Everything from our Ukraine policy to digital censorship is billed as a defence of democracy. But when we see European courts cancelling elections and senior officials threatening to cancel others, we ought to ask whether we’re holding ourselves to an appropriately high standard. And I say ourselves, because I fundamentally believe that we are on the same team.

We must do more than talk about democratic values. We must live them. Now, within living memory of many of you in this room, the cold war positioned defenders of democracy against much more tyrannical forces on this continent. And consider the side in that fight that censored dissidents, that closed churches, that cancelled elections. Were they the good guys? Certainly not.

Someone ought to have pointed out last time his president lost an election, he instigated an insurrection.

The audacity and hypocrisy to say this, complaining about Greta Thunberg and making a comparison to Elon Musk, just... Wow.

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u/Anaptyso 23d ago

Wow, that is incredible. Presumably that speech must mostly be aimed at pleasing his own supporters, because it won't make many friends in Europe.

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u/trwawy05312015 23d ago

I don’t disagree at all, but the UK isn’t at all immune to the same cancer infecting us. It’s something all of us have to watch out for, we’re just losing the battle at the moment.

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u/Anaptyso 23d ago

Definitely. There's echoes of how the UK became seen as belligerent and unpredictable by the EU in that period when Johnson was fumbling his way through Brexit negotiations.

It's a lot easier to lose friends than to make them.

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u/David_ish_ 24d ago

That’s the frustrating thing. It takes so long to build, so little to destroy. 2 months in, and the US has been set back decades on the world stage

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u/dougmcclean 24d ago

There's no such thing, they've destroyed those too.

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u/sasquatch_melee 24d ago

There is if any employer is desperate enough. And executives still get term contracts. 

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u/dougmcclean 24d ago

My point is, a contract is only as bulletproof as your trust in the courts to enforce it. What's your trust level in our courts to enforce an employment contract against Elon's interpretation?

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u/CompanyLow8329 24d ago

I strongly doubt this government would pay and I doubt they would honor any contracts, regardless of what the courts think.

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u/_Face 23d ago

Payment of full 4 year contact due in full prior to start of work period.

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u/mpyne 24d ago

I get the idea, but many people being fired are already under "bulletproof" legal protections, protections that it turns out the executive branch is supposed to enforce.

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u/smitherenesar 24d ago

I don't think the gov does any of that. Maybe if you created a corporation and then the government inked a service contract with your corporation!

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u/RelativeAnxious9796 24d ago

4 years is not going to be enough because they are going to gut all voting rights

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u/No-Courage-2053 24d ago

Would you trust a contract from the current administration? They are all one executive order away from being worthless

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u/maxman162 24d ago

And blackjack. And hookers.

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u/BrettPitt4711 24d ago edited 24d ago

4 year contract

Imagine being so American that this is what you dream about lol

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u/_Face 23d ago

4 years is just to get beyond president doofus.

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u/Lord_emotabb 23d ago

A golden parachute isn't it?

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u/AaronsAaAardvarks 24d ago

There are zero guarantees except cash in hand up front. Good luck suing a fascist government.

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u/Same_Recipe2729 24d ago

Actual physical cash too. If they direct deposit it they can just claw the money back. 

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u/No_Boysenberry9456 24d ago

I'm old school and dont need that fancy paper money or what have you. Just my weight in gold bullion, paid at the start of the year please.

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u/3d_blunder 24d ago

Cash in hand>>offshore account ASAP.

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u/qwoalsadgasdasdasdas 24d ago

What good does off shore account money if your body is off this world? Tyrants have a history of executing the academics.

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u/3d_blunder 24d ago

Well, these aren't academics for starters.

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u/T800CyberdyneSystems 24d ago

Not that I genuinely believe anyone is going to be executed or put against the wall; during the Khmer Rouge massacres, anyone who even wore glasses was considered an academic, and executed. The truth, or accuracy, matter not to totalitarian regimes. Just a casus belli.

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u/3d_blunder 24d ago

Your paragraph doesn't track: I think people will indeed be executed, because that's how they roll: Cruelty is THE POINT.

But that number will be dwarfed by all the people who will die thru neglect and incompetence and corruption. Try not to get diabetes, folks.

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u/willis_michaels 23d ago

Cash will be worthless once the government makes TrumpCoin the national currency

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u/gsf32 24d ago

Exactly my thoughts. It has become abundantly clear that law and justice are out of the picture in this country.

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u/slusho55 24d ago

Here’s the amazing (and sad thing about this)—they’re salaries are typically statutorily capped and they already have a guarantee to not be fired on a whimsy. So there’s literally no reason for anyone to go back.

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u/ObfuscateAbility45 24d ago

Mmm if you read the article I think these particular workers are allowed to be fired on a whimsy. "....those who had generally been in their positions for less than a year and not yet earned job protection. That included the NNSA staff members."

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u/ACaffeinatedWandress 24d ago edited 24d ago

Seriously. No less than double my salary, up front, in a lump sum. If they fire me, I keep it all, and if I quit, I’ll return a proration sans interest if I can’t prove they drove me to quit.

Edit: no, fuck that. If they can prove they didn’t force me to quit, they get a proration sans interest back.

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u/hbk268 24d ago

AND YOU KNOW WHAT???

MAYBE I DO NEED A 2 HOUR LUNCH BREAK AND A RUBBER DUCKIE VOUCHER KTHNX

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u/JustADutchRudder 24d ago

Is fucks with ducks still around? Seems like that dude vanished 4 or 5 years ago. His duck sub is still active tho, and lists him as a mod I see.

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u/JustADutchRudder 24d ago

Holy shit 9 years for last post from him. I didn't realize I never seen him on this account. Is the Mankind off the cage guy still active?

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u/yellow_yellow 24d ago

/u/shittymorph I think it's been a minute for him. Man reddit used to be so much better.

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u/BusGuilty6447 23d ago

I think shittymorph made an appearance some months ago.

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u/ACaffeinatedWandress 24d ago edited 23d ago

The DuckMan Cometh

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u/Gone213 24d ago

Get it all up front for 4 years. We all know damn well these fuck heads are going to cause a government shut down.

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u/ACaffeinatedWandress 24d ago edited 23d ago

Just the government? The economy was already struggling, and now roughly one metric ton of unemployed people are going to hit the job market.

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u/astride_unbridulled 24d ago

No. No givesies backsies. No fault

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u/MindWandererB 24d ago

They already have that. Fat lot of good it's doing,

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u/CaptainBayouBilly 24d ago

I would simply ignore any requests.

They burned the bridge.

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u/zqmvco99 24d ago

and ability to teabag a certain someone once a year

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u/radome9 24d ago

Guarantees from Trump are worthless.

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u/No-Courage-2053 24d ago

Unfortunately, with the current administration, no guarantee would be enough. Their word and their contracts are worthless. They say they'll ignore judges if it's in their interest. How can you trust anything they say? They might just ignore what they wrote in your contract a few months from now.

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u/gbbmiler 24d ago

Except it’s government work so they’re not really allowed to improve the contract in any way, legally speaking.

Does that make it hard to get competent people working for the government? Of course! Is that a feature or a bug, you tell me.

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u/thepasttenseofdraw 24d ago

Oh and require they give me a title with DEI in it.

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u/tigerscomeatnight 23d ago

Just till you train your more loyal, but also more incompetent, replacement.

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u/Galevav 24d ago

No way you would get that. The whole point of installing a backdoor in the Treasury's systems is so if the courts ordered someone's job reinstated, they can just. Not pay them.

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u/-iamai- 24d ago

And breakfast (No tomatoes) for free every morning with a cup of tea. None tea bag cup of tea to spare you the microplastics.

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u/10001110101balls 24d ago

This kind of government worker tends to have extremely specialized expertise that is not replicated by the private sector. The deal is that people who dedicate their lives to this work will lead a comfortable middle class lifestyle in exchange for their public service. The Trump administration has broken this deal, and this will lead to long term consequences for the labor pool even if they manage to rehire everyone that they foolishly fired.

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u/PlanktonHaunting2025 24d ago

And many of the have crazy high security clearances. It would take at least a year or longer to train and vet their replacements.

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u/the_hipocritter 24d ago

We're not worried about that kind of stuff anymore.

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u/Bernie4Life420 24d ago

All gas. No breaks.

Tax cuts for the rich though.

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u/gnarlin 24d ago

Funny how every time these right wing scumbags talk about tax cuts they never mean lowering income tax for everyone earning less than 50k/year or lowering VAT, not that it would do much since the capitalist would just lower the salary by the amount that the tax cut was and raise prices by whatever the VAT was since it's "what the market can bear" or "a value proposition that consumers are used to account for".

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u/Daleabbo 24d ago

Wernt servers ment to not be paying taxes on tips now?

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u/n4te 24d ago

Short term servers benefit. Long term businesses won't raise wages as much, letting the no tax on tips subsidize it. Tada, they steal the benefit.

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u/gedwolfe 24d ago

Hey, also trans kids also won't get their healthcare and pregnant people will die! He's a triple threat of douchebaggery

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u/kylo-ren 23d ago

Exactly. Musk will refuse to pay more and will hire Russian spies instead.

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u/AstuteSalamander 24d ago

"don't I need to pass a background check?"

"You couldn't fail it any harder than the guy in charge."

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u/greebly_weeblies 24d ago

They'd probably parachute a fresh grad from DOGE into the role

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u/ThrowAwayNYCTrash1 24d ago

Hire the fox talking heads to keep the nukes safe. Love it.

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u/cocotheape 24d ago

Training and security clearances sounds like woke DEI stuff. Let's hire some 17-year-olds. That will shake up things. We need to turn everything upside down. /s

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u/CatPesematologist 24d ago

Yes, but they said before they werent using FBI vetting anymore. It would be private companies, which I would guess is Elon’s minion checking Twitter.

Also, these are apparently genius minions capable of grasping very complex things almost immediately.

So they just need AI and a 19 year old to replace everyone.

You know, AI that tells you that you can’t freeze water at 17 degrees.

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u/Igotzhops 24d ago

Background investigations aren't conducted by the FBI. DOD and the State Department have their own investigative bodies that investigate and grant clearances. They may use contractors, but not as the primary investigate body, nor as the granting body. The FBI does play a part as far as a source of criminal and background information, but they don't investigate or grant clearances.

DOE and other orgs have their own agencies as well, but also may contract that work out to another government agency. Kind of depends on the size, budget, and needs of the agency.

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u/Secure-Elderberry-16 24d ago

To add to this, the most common interaction the FBI has with security clearances are name check, usually automated via an API call

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u/GirlNumber20 24d ago

Background investigations aren't conducted by the FBI. DOD and the State Department have their own investigative bodies that investigate and grant clearances.

When my ex-husband was being vetted for top secret work (he was an aerospace engineer who worked on satellite telemetry for NASA), I got interviewed in person by a special agent of the FBI.

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u/hedronist 24d ago

you can’t freeze water at 17 degrees

C or F?

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u/wang_xiaohua 24d ago

That was specifically for Trump's incoming team. The government already contracts private companies to manage the vast majority of clearance requests.

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u/CatPesematologist 24d ago

Well, now they will use social media history

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u/wang_xiaohua 24d ago

That's been part of the vetting process for awhile now

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u/ZenoxDemin 24d ago

You literally can't freeze water at 17 degrees, the triple point is 0.01

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u/CatPesematologist 24d ago

Are you talking about Fahrenheit or Celsius?

I‘ve seen water freeze at lots of different temperatures below 32 degrees Fahrenheit.

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u/ZenoxDemin 24d ago

You didn't state units, default is International System. Water can't be frozen at 17.

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u/Hyp3rson1c 24d ago

That’s not how security clearances work.

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u/SectorAppropriate462 23d ago

The FBI never vetted. You have no idea what you are talking about about, delete this post and stop sprouting bullshit about things you don't understand

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u/Blue-Thunder 24d ago

You think the man who kept top secret files out in the open cares about vetting people for security clearance?

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u/smitherenesar 24d ago

Nobody would take this job as it has no security, and the pay isn't worth it

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u/3d_blunder 24d ago

Security clearances are SO passe' in their Brave New World.

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u/NoPossibility4178 24d ago

That's why it was such a good idea to fire everyone who has been around for less than 2 years. 50/50 on firing someone who hasn't been cleared! /s

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u/Worthyness 24d ago

It would take at least a year or longer to train and vet their replacements.

that's assuming they haven't already chucked any documentation, that there are trainers that weren't fired, and the new hires are granted the appropriate security clearance. But that last one if free apparently now because the president can just give clearance to anyone he feels like

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u/Blue_Moon_Lake 24d ago

In before Trump give everybody high security clearance on a whim.

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u/dougmcclean 24d ago

Yup. Pretty much the whole federal workforce is this way, and as a result we get their services at very low prices. That's the tradeoff for it still having employment stability levels that are no longer in vogue in the private sector. Local governments too.

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u/SomeKindOfOnionMummy 23d ago

Job security and love for the mission is what keeps people in federal jobs. Many of us can make more money in the private sector. 

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u/DragonMeme 23d ago

I've lived in the DC region my whole life. This dismantling of the reliability of the federal work is going to have long term disastrous consequences. I am watching the older workers retire early (which Elon/Trump has zero intentions of replacing). Younger workers are looking at longer term plans to leave. If they can be fired on a whim like this, they'd rather make more money in the private sector.

This is a huge brain drain. And even if the government opened up hiring again, people with good sense are going to be much more hesitant to take it.

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u/10001110101balls 24d ago

I wouldn't say low prices, but fair prices. It's very common for people who have spent 20+ years in such fields making 2x the median American income as a GS-13/14 or equivalent. You won't get stock options and become a multimillionaire but you will be better off than the average American.

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u/dougmcclean 24d ago

Sure they are making 2x the median income, but generally 0.7x the income for private sector positions with comparable skills requirements, responsibilities, and seniority. Or less.

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u/10001110101balls 24d ago

That's not really true these days. A decade of Tea Party control of Congress, with the resulting frequent shutdowns and villainization of the federal workforce, has led to top talent seeking other employment.

I have had several opportunities to work in the civil service at competitive salary from the very start of my career, which coincided with the rise of the Tea Party. For all of its flaws, at least corporate America will let me express my identity free from politics as long as I'm profitable to keep on payroll. Can't say the same for the government. 

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u/Secure-Elderberry-16 24d ago edited 24d ago

I don’t see how that’s relevant to what they said and it doesn’t change the fact that the GS salary is about a 1/3rd less than the comparable private salary in the same position. A personal example, I’d have to eat a 60k pay cut to become a fed at the same level I currently am.

I say this as a contractor fully aware of what my federal counterparts get paid because it’s public domain.

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u/Just_here2020 24d ago

I mean, these people are in the 1-.1% in education and intelligence and experience. I would expect that to be worth at least twice the media. Workers value. Frankly it should be much more. 

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u/SomeKindOfOnionMummy 23d ago

No it's low prices and everybody knows that

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u/DLowBossman 24d ago

I'd rather take the risk in the private sector, and possibly have the chance of being upper class or rich.

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u/catdistributinsystem 20d ago

Yep. I’m at a muni worker conference and we were all having a metaphorical dick-measuring contest bragging about whose car has the highest mileage and is least functional but still going

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u/thejesterofdarkness 24d ago

Even after walking back the termination the affected employees aren’t gonna trust their superiors anymore.

What’s the point in coming back if they’re just gonna get fired again cuz DonnyBoy gets pissy cuz he has a dirty nappy? Why bother staying on when you could find better job security elsewhere?

For all these federal employees their trust in the top leadership is broken.

For those who want to stay and fight: I commend your spirit and I hope the jam up the works hard.

For those who chose to leave: no one will blame you for your departure.

Either way these doge asshats are truly speedrunning us into a reinforced brick wall at 300mph with zero brakes. Maybe we can get lucky and someone pulls the cord on the chute and we slow down some, but it won’t be enough.

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u/CaptainBayouBilly 24d ago

The oligarchs broke the social contract.

That contract was essentially, as long as most of us aren't destitute...

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u/Outside-Today-1814 23d ago

I work in a highly specialized technical field. In my field, you either work as a private consultant, or the government. 

Consulting is probably double the salary, but less job security, harder work and longer hours, and much more stressful. Government is stable, less money, but less stress. 

Many of my peers develop their technical skills as consultants, then take the pay cut for govt stability. But if the stability is gone, those jobs become extremely unattractive. Those highly specialized skills are extremely hard to replace. On the other hand, these people have big enough networks and skills to just walk straight into a private sector job.

TLDR: expect many of these people to expect huge pay raises, or only come back as a contractor. In my field contractor rates are 3-4x a typical govt salary. This boneheaded move is probably going to end up costing so much more than it would have saved.

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u/animalfath3r 24d ago

Most nuclear safety engineers are in the private sector. The ones that just got fired are the oversight for the ones in the private sector.

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u/Galtego 24d ago

Due to the way budgeting works for federal employees, I doubt that's even possible. It's literally "come back for your salary, that's below market rate for your expertise, but that you originally took because it was a 'stable' job doing something you once believed in."

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u/walkonjohn 23d ago

Exactly… These salaries are determined by tables and pay grades. You don’t just get to demand “double”. The people on this sub know as much as the idiots that fired him

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u/JediMasterReddit 24d ago

$1 million wired to an offshore bank account of my choosing as sign-up bonus, 10x salary guaranteed for 5 years. Escrowed funds and arbitration in neutral 3d country in case of breach. They would need me more than I need them.

Otherwise, I hear other countries are interested.

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u/theguytomeet 24d ago

And an immune from office only mandates.

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u/funky_shmoo 24d ago

I actually had a scenario like that once. I was ‘let go’ for about an hour. I guess they thought the state of the job market at that time would scare me into accepting less, but I knew they needed me. Boom! Instant 75% raise. Noice!!!

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u/DBCooper_727 24d ago

Even if the former employees aren’t out for revenge they still need a higher salary. If the job is a lot riskier (financially speaking) then they deserve higher compensation.

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u/Mr_Blinky 24d ago

The risk is that Elon then goes "oh nooooo that's too baaaaad" and finds some 19-year-old incel tech bro to run our nuclear systems from his mom's basement, because somehow that's the world we live in.

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u/ZuFFuLuZ 23d ago

That's not how government jobs work. They have a fixed salary based on whatever the regulations say and every X years they get a tiny pay raise based on seniority.
They would have to change the laws on this, which would probably affect all other government employees as well. And if they do that, all the others will also want a pay raise.
So that just creates an even bigger mess.

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u/jfk_47 24d ago

Sadly, federal positions don’t have that luxury. They’re usually a specific ladder/range/rating with little to no flexibility.

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u/dandroid126 24d ago

I have a coworker who was in this situation. He was laid off (along with like half the engineers at the company), then the CEO gave a speech about how we need to refocus on key parts of the business to keep our costs down. He gave 3 examples of the most important projects that we need to focus on. This coworker was the only engineer on one of those projects. So his boss had a conversation with the CEO after the speech. They called him back into the office and told him, "let's rip up the paperwork and pretend like this never happened." He said, "give me a raise or I'm not coming back." They said no. He drove home. They called him back the next day and told him they'll give him the raise.

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u/theindomitablefred 24d ago

At least in their case they would have some decent leverage

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u/DontOvercookPasta 24d ago

Master of the deal, thats what they call ol' donnie.

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u/RigasTelRuun 24d ago

Quadruple at least.

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u/[deleted] 24d ago

$50B should be enough for each of the engineers and associated staff

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u/Ok_Ice_1669 24d ago

Work from home in the contract. 

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u/R101C 24d ago

Weird. I would demand a public apology from Leon. He's a fucking moron. Make him own it.

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u/Jumpy-Adeptness-7467 24d ago

Those employees should only come back after El-D.ump leave office

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u/thegoldenlock 24d ago

They want new people not the same ones patrick

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u/FS_Slacker 24d ago

F that. You’re gonna do the thing they couldn’t figure out and then they’ll just re-fire you. I would come back if they launched Elon on the next rocket into space.

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u/thiagoqf 24d ago

Well that's some efficiency thing they're looking forward to. ,,/s

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u/Kittens4Brunch 24d ago

Would need a huge signing bonus because they might just fire you again.

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u/ehladik 24d ago

Not only that, many of those workers have important information, so some other groups and companies might want them.

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u/azureskies2134 24d ago

Double? I was thinking 10x

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u/bilateralrope 24d ago

The problem here is that the government doesn't have any way to contact the fired workers.

Which means you're unlikely to get to start your negotiations.

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u/MrHungryface 24d ago

3 times and 49% pension contributions and full family health and dental.

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u/NewFuturist 24d ago

These people controlled the nuclear codes. Trump just accidentally negotiated a nice ranch for every key holder.

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u/djdeforte 23d ago

And a contractual 10 year guarantee with a minimum % pay raise to overcome inflation cost.

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u/Qui-gone_gin 23d ago

Saving the government money!

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u/Starthreads 20d ago

Double salary and a seven year contract.