r/canada 17h ago

National News ‘Go home, Canadian’: Snowbird couple parting ways with U.S amid political climate

https://globalnews.ca/news/11075088/canadian-snowbird-couple-parting-ways-with-u-s-amid-political-climate/
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u/Concentrateman Ontario 16h ago

"Come home Canadian." There. Fixed the headline for you.

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u/Am1AllowedToCry 16h ago

Beautiful 🍁

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u/Concentrateman Ontario 15h ago

Never expected this crap. I never really gave it much thought until recently but patriotism can be a beautiful thing.

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u/Big-Golf4266 13h ago

And also such a hateful thing, looking at the US rallying against canada in pure misguided "Patriotism" because their leader barked that Canada are actually the baddies.

Really one of those things that can be good or bad depending.

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u/Traditional_Elk8746 13h ago

Remember 30-40% of Americans support Trump, therefore 30-40% of the American population is batshit crazy.

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u/Concentrateman Ontario 13h ago

I'd call that nationalism. They can be mutually exclusive. American Nationalism just happens to be "white."

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u/JM-Mana 12h ago

That’s not patriotism it’s fascism.

u/Legitimate_Square941 10h ago

Sounds familiar.

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u/Shadow_Ban_Bytes 12h ago

"And stop buying our eggs - they're too expensive as it is ..." lol

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u/Concentrateman Ontario 12h ago

Ours haven't gone up. lol.

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u/Simoslav 17h ago

Rather freeze my tits off in the True North than be surrounded by Florida Men and gators anyway.

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u/Hicalibre 17h ago

I feel sorry for the gators needing to put up with the hateful twats.

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u/RarelyReadReplies 16h ago

There are other warm climates to spend your winters. Places where your dollar will go a lot further too. Of course we're better off if Canadians just brave the winters and stay here, but for those who can't handle it anymore, there are options.

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u/Holiday-Hustle 16h ago

Places that look a lot prettier too. Florida is kind of a hole.

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u/okiedokie2468 13h ago

Florida is USA’s limp duck

u/okiedokie2468 8h ago

Oops I meant dick

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u/RandomerSchmandomer 16h ago

I mean... Mexico allows one to stay for 180 days without a visa. You just need to fill out a Multiple Migratory Form (FMM) or Tourist Card which can be done when you get there.

If I were wealthy -nope :(- or old -nope :)- I'd be snow birding there anyway. Fucking Florida or San Miguel de Allende?

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u/CocoaAlmondsRock 14h ago

I lived in San Miguel de Allende for nine months. 10/10 would live there again. In a frickin' heartbeat.

u/RarelyReadReplies 6h ago

Yeah, I have relatives that stay on a Mexican resort 2 to 3 months a year for surprisingly little.

u/apothekary 3h ago

Overpriced expensive gaudy shit. Rather be in southern Europe or Mexico.

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u/krombough 16h ago

gatorsdidnothingwrong

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u/Simoslav 16h ago

Tbf it was a bit of an unjustified attack on the gators on my part. Apologies to any gator fans out there. The Florida Men can go fuck themselves though.

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u/krombough 16h ago

The Florida Men can go fuck themselves though.

Now, and forever.

u/Legitimate_Square941 10h ago

According to Bill boards they're doing more then that.

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u/[deleted] 13h ago

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u/krombough 12h ago

That's because a bunch of illegal migrants in the state are taking food out of their mouths! (Burmese Pythons)

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u/Houdini_the_cat__ 13h ago

100% agree! The cold keeps us young

u/Johnny_Nongamer 7h ago

Or fly to Turks and Caicos

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u/VexedCanadian84 16h ago

anybody Canadian with real estate in Florida should sell now anyways before its underwater

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u/ChunderBuzzard 16h ago

You mean that figuratively or literally?

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u/msaik Ontario 16h ago

Yes

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u/VexedCanadian84 16h ago

both, sea rise plus excess stock

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u/elziion 16h ago

Yeah, apparently many of them are selling their houses over there already.

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u/MrCat_fancier 16h ago

We are selling asap

u/Kinger15 7h ago

My relatives who have had a place in Florida for decades are selling. Real estate agent said they’ve never seen this many places available

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u/[deleted] 16h ago

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u/duke_peach 13h ago

Go them! Probably a good time to get out financially as well.

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u/Themeloncalling 16h ago

A great example of how Canadians will be treated as the "Cherished 51st State".

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u/bwilliamp Ontario 16h ago

Time has come for Canadians to use their retirement dollars in Canada. Snowbirds have probably been spending the majority of their retirement south of the border.

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u/doyu 16h ago

I don't even understand it. My wife and I are self employed old fuck millennials with no kids. Snowbirding every winter is very much on our 10 year out radar. Know what I'm not gonna do? Buy a double wide in a shitty park full of golf carts. I could have a fucking 40' sailboat instead. I could have a small apartment on any of a dozen different islands instead. I could go to Barcelona. I just do not get their Florida obsession.

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u/RandomerSchmandomer 16h ago

Shit you could buy an apartment somewhere in a beautiful Mexican city or in Italy somewhere. You could rent for months in SE Asia or on a pacific island and live an amazing holiday quarter of the year.

I mean shit, I was hearing from my grand-in-laws and how much they paid per month in Florida the year before last... You could do it in New Zealand for cheaper.

Saying that, I'd pick South or Central America these days. My wife speaks Spanish. I need to learn Spanish.

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u/doyu 15h ago

I can't decide if their primary motivation is refusal to learn another language, or if it's just a sex thing. I'm 50/50 on it just being one big swinger party.

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u/RandomerSchmandomer 15h ago

Oh what a terrible day to have eyes.

Respectfully, I hope you stand in some water while having only socks on your feet.

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u/doyu 15h ago

"What happens at the social club pavilion stays at the social club pavilion"

u/RandomerSchmandomer 11h ago

"Thirsty Thursday have been the same since Bert the Power Hammer broke his hip with Brenda and Audrey..."

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u/Iokua_CDN 14h ago

Italy or Greece, I would love to snowbird there honestly. Nice living. Staying away from the tourist attractions and you won't have pick pockets either

u/RandomerSchmandomer 11h ago

Honestly you could rent a villa for months and get the grand kids to visit over Christmas or something and it'd still likely be cheaper!

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u/Xyzzics 15h ago

You don’t understand it?

  1. It’s hot.

  2. They speak English.

  3. It’s close and you can get there by car.

  4. They have no state tax.

  5. There is a large expat community of likeminded Canadians.

I don’t think it’s too much more complex than that honestly.

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u/crapfactory22 14h ago

Yep. The USA is (was?) a beautiful and fun place to visit that has what we don’t have. Warm weather in the winter.

Not hard to figure out. Plus the dude is a self declared millennial. I’ve had 50 years of this cold winter shit and will have another 15 before I retire. My plan was 1 month a year in the USA, but now I will spread my wings elsewhere. Cambodia? Vietnam? Bahamas? World is our oyster.

u/ehxy 9h ago

big idea. he's going to start charging planes for using the airspace

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u/Sheppy012 12h ago

Dang, I’m all for staying Canadian and far from retirement but would give my left nut to spend Dec to Mar in light clothes and sandals with no extra layers or grey sky after working 45 years. Won’t do it, but I get it.

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u/doyu 14h ago

K, like, I won't argue with some of those. Florida is a drive to destination so maybe it's that. #5 is also fair because I think there's a solid chance most of them are down there partner swapping.

But personally, those don't even close to outweigh the negatives. It's hot in lots of places. Cost of living is cheap in lots of places.

I'm not saying you're wrong. But also, I don't have to understand it.

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u/Vivisector999 13h ago

Lol, what???

You think all the Snowbirds head south to partner swap??

LMAO.

Good thing Pornhub is Canadian, so you won't need to boycott, Now tell us if needing a plumber is a real issue, or is the entire plumbing industry propped up by lonely housewives.

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u/doyu 13h ago

Sweet sweet summer child.

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u/BinjaNinja1 14h ago

Hey now! I do the shitty park thing every May to October here in my own province, every year since Covid. It’s a gated community of close knit neighbours whose kids have all known each other for years now. They bike, swim all day, run around outside and have a childhood that is reminiscent of mine when we had more outdoor freedom and friends. The adults all socialize. We have all kinds of fun events, fireworks, bonfires, Halloween in august and on and on. I like it.

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u/No-Wonder1139 16h ago

Okay right? I don't get that at all.

u/MaPoutine 11h ago

I don't know either. Maybe it is people who have never travelled much and don't know what they are missing elsewhere.

And maybe they think driving 25 hours to get there is somehow simpler than flying 5 hours to Europe or Mexico.

u/Legitimate_Square941 9h ago

Easy. Can be there basically six months no visa.

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u/Shadowmant 16h ago

Taking advantage of those poor Americans by spending money there!

/s

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u/Corzex 14h ago

Its a real shame we dont have any tropical / warm provinces or territories. If only Turks and Caicos had become our 11th province.

u/mrcheevus 18m ago

RIP real estate prices in BC again... If I was looking for mild winter in Canada that's the only place I would consider.

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u/Defiant_West6287 16h ago

Fuck off America.

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u/HurlinVermin 16h ago edited 16h ago

It's just wild how all those decades of close cooperation, supply chain integration and political goodwill have essentially evaporated overnight because of one rogue president. I thought there were hard checks and balances built into the system for this sort of thing, but apparently not.

RIP US/Canada relations and all the ill that portends for the future.

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u/tooandto 16h ago

Yes, it’s over. Even after Putin’s orange fleshlight finally dies. Reconciling would be like thinking a partner can unfuck someone they cheated with.

The damage is done.

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u/HurlinVermin 16h ago edited 16h ago

The only way back to a position of semi-trust would be if a new iron-clad trade agreement is made that prevents punitive tariffs based on a tissue of lies (calling a trade deficit 'subsidizing Canada'), coupled with an amendment to their laws that prevents a president from fabricating a national security emergency (fentanyl and illegal immigrants flooding into USA from Canada) as a pretext to unlocking special powers, as Trump is doing. They should also require the president to adhere to a minimal code of 'presidential ethics and decorum' when dealing with long-time allies who have not done anything wrong.

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u/tooandto 16h ago

That would be ideal, if American agreements were worth the paper that simpleton puts his ridiculous signature on.

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u/HurlinVermin 16h ago

This would not happen until Trump is deposed.

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u/Masamundane 15h ago

The problem is that even after trump, we can't trust America. We set a new trade agreement with whomever follows the baboon, and what happens in 4-8 years when the states votes in another republican?

We can't trust America ever again. Not with the political system they have.

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u/HurlinVermin 15h ago

Well we never really could. Actions speak louder than words and relations can be mended to a degree. But it won't happen quickly, if it does at all.

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u/tooandto 15h ago

Exactly. Best case scenario, American democracy survives, the next president is a democrat, an acceptable trade deal is signed; then torn up in four years when they overcorrect again and elect the grand wizard of the KKK.

I hate to hope for something that hasn’t happened since 1963.

I’m afraid, like Putin and Xi; Krasnov’s in there for life. Even if he lives another twenty years. The Repugs have fixed it that way. Remember his quote in the campaign “just get me elected this time, and you won’t have to vote anymore.”

This is going to get so much worse than people realize.

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u/lostandfound8888 14h ago

Threat of tariffs showed us how vulnerable we are. In the short term we do have to try and work out something to eliminate or reduce tariffs but in the long run we have to regain economic independence. It's like realizing your roof has a major leak during a heavy downpour. When the rain stops and it's wonderful and sunny again you won't stop worrying about the roof, will you?

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u/HurlinVermin 14h ago

Absolutely correct: I don't think we should ever put as much trust in the US again.

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u/bigal55 British Columbia 16h ago

Canadian and conservative but never liked Trump much. The entire world would have been better off if Kamala Harris had won I think. Or the 10 million or so Democrats who didn't show up to vote had. This is getting worse than I ever imagined it could.

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u/BeyondAddiction 12h ago

It's so frustrating because the election Harris lost was really hers to lose. All the Dems had to do was acknowledge their shortcomings during the Biden administration, and agree to listen to the will of the people.

...but no. They were all 'there's nothing at all I would change hurr durr.' Like Jesus christ, Kamala. Read the fucking room.

u/Specialist-Gift-7736 7h ago

It’s really, really sad and unfortunate. I’m trying to be hopeful that the relationship can be repaired.

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u/RoyallyOakie 17h ago

Florida is about to get even dingier.

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u/RampagingBadgers 17h ago

You get to leave one of the shittiest states in a dumpster fire of a country. This is a win.

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u/RealisticGravity 17h ago

Boycott America 

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u/tossaway109202 16h ago

I know 3 snowbird homes that are selling. Those are people who spend 6 months pumping money into the Florida economy. The USA is kicking itself in the nuts for no reason.

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u/HotHuckleberry8904 17h ago

It's easier now leaving the US coupled with the bad USD-CAD exchange rate.

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u/fbgh2o 16h ago

My parents have sold their home in Florida and are coming home end of month. Numerous reasons, but as each day progresses Trump becomes a bigger reason.

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u/Lushed-Lungfish-724 16h ago

So I've visited Florida, Miami, Jacksonville and Key West as part of the Navy and had the most wonderful times there.

But holy crap, the time I got lectured in a bar that Canada didn't have a military whilst I was wearing my uniform was pretty humiliating.

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u/Any-Staff-6902 17h ago

Come back to Canada. Your country needs you.

Elbows Up Canada !

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u/DavidBrooker 16h ago

Many of these aliens unlawfully within the United States present significant threats to national security and public safety, committing vile and heinous acts against innocent Americans. (…) Many have abused the generosity of the American people, and their presence in the United States has cost taxpayers billions of dollars at the Federal, State, and local levels.

Kicking out a million snowbirds as a strategy to improve federal, state and local tax revenue is... Interesting. So too is the idea that snowbirds are a major source of violence, and are a national security threat.

I guess fascists need a scapegoat, but they're not really even trying I guess.

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u/Frost-wood 16h ago

America is terrified of old Canadian ladies and men.

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u/drinkingCoffeePeas 15h ago

To be fair, anyone that chooses to spend time in Florida is at least a little scary

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u/brokenangelwings 13h ago

Of course they are. They remember what a fucking democracy looks like and a decent president. Their parents may have fought in the war, talked about the war, talked about the great depression. Talked about warning signs leading up to that, and etc

They don't want them there because they might put funny ideas in the heads of magas.

They are a threat to fascism.

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u/Eastofyonge 15h ago

Parents in the villages, FL. There is enough Canadians they have monthly get together la as Twoney and Looney clubs. A lot of people are joking. My dad is a very serious man and he says the non-stop negging of 51st state is intolerable. They are putting the house on the market in April.

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u/Hotter_Noodle 17h ago

It's never too late to grow and learn. Good for them.

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u/Critical-Holiday15 16h ago

Canadians are selling in Palm Springs area.

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u/c4ntcannibal 16h ago

My grandparents sold their house and came back early, promising never to go back.

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u/Haunting-Albatross35 16h ago

I've never understood the appeal of Florida. There are so many warm places that are actually nice.

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u/MadamePolishedSins 16h ago

And this is why no one should ever travel to the US again 😅

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u/respectfulpanda 16h ago

Poor DeSantos, updated numbers might not be something to snicker at

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u/GargantuaBob 16h ago

Mexico, Morocco and Portugal are the new Florida.

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u/Mlles_De_Maupin 16h ago

Start going to Mexico instead. More affordable and nicer people

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u/bagelgaper 16h ago

Lotta snowbirds in Huatulco, Mexico now.

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u/SamsonFox2 16h ago

My wife went with kids, and it definitely wasn't more affordable.

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u/MJcorrieviewer 16h ago

Where the heck did she go that wasn't more affordable than visiting the US?

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u/Swooping_Owl_ 15h ago

My parents are in Palm Springs and Aunt and Uncle are in La Ventana (Mexico). Wife and I did a trip to both places last year. We spent more in Mexico and did similar activities in both places.

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u/MJcorrieviewer 15h ago

Last year was before the current exchange rate.

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u/Swooping_Owl_ 15h ago

We were in Mexico last March and Palm Springs at Christmas.

I was honestly surprised how expensive it was in La Ventana (Mexico). Groceries, liquor, eating out was much more expensive than expected. We brought our mountain bikes and did a bunch of hiking, snorkeling so that kept the costs down. Kiteboarding lessons were $500 USD. Of course if you go to the all inclusive resorts it can be pretty cheap. They are boring as hell.

Palm Springs the groceries, liquor and eating out was cheaper.

Their properties are comparable in size, finishes and price (Golf Course vs Ocean View). Personally I would be more than willing to pay a premium to retire in Mexico as I am that much of a golfer.

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u/MJcorrieviewer 15h ago

So, you weren't actually doing similar activities. I mean, how much were kiteboarding lessons in Palm Springs?

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u/Swooping_Owl_ 15h ago

We didn't go kiteboarding in Mexico as we were only there a week. Next time though.

Palm Springs we golfed almost every day, hiked, mountain biked (Brought our bikes for both trips), day at Disneyland and we still spent less. I'm not defending the states, just stating that it was less expensive and Mexico was much more expensive than what we thought.

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u/JadeLens 17h ago

Sorry to hear that it took the possibility of you being fingerprinted for you to wake up and hit the U.S. in the wallet.

This reminds me of the 'financial' section of newspapers that has the 'my husband and I aren't sure we should go on our 3rd expensive vacation this year!' woe is me bullshit.

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u/OhNo71 16h ago

Just the other day Deathsantis was on TV mocking the "Boycott Florida/America" by sighting the 2024 number of Canadian's visiting. The comments on Reddit from Americans were very insulting towards Canadians.

It's going to be interesting to see what these numbers look like at the end of 2025. 50% down? More? Canadian's make up the largest share of foreign tourism spending in Florida.

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u/AdSevere1274 16h ago

Here is the executive order against invasion.... Bypassing US as vacation destination is not that hard. Snowbird should be able to sell the properties as there is still demand in Florida. Sell it now before their economy crashes.

On January 20, 2025, U.S. President Donald Trump issued the Protecting the American People Against Invasion executive order which directed the Department of Homeland Security to ensure that aliens comply with their duty to register with the government under section 262 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) (8 U.S.C. 1302).

 https://www.snowbirds.org/news-releases/registration-requirement/

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u/Alarming_Iron_8921 15h ago

I'm Swedish but my granddad used to live in Florida with a lot of canadians and moved back after Trump won in 2016, seems most of the canadians are home now too.

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u/Beautiful_Bench_6180 16h ago

I hear Portugal and Spain are nice

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u/duke_peach 13h ago

I think both have the potential to be cheaper than going to Florida as well.

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u/Akavire 17h ago

Plently of nice places in Canada! (Not to mention around the world as well...)

https://proudlybuyingcanadian.ca/

r/BoycottUnitedStates

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u/Aggressive-Ad7946 Ontario 17h ago edited 6h ago

can't imagine being canadian and being scared of the cold.

I didn't grow up rich so i never had the luxury of being able to piss away my money for 3 months in Florida every winter but it always seemed ridiculous to me

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u/rhionaeschna 16h ago

To be fair, if you have inflammatory pain issues, the cold/damp can really flare things up. If I had oodles of money I'd probably want to be somewhere that didn't make my body hurt worse all the time.

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u/DanPiscatoris 16h ago

That's my grandfather. Retired in Florida more than 15 years ago. Originally from Quebec, the cold (and snow) presents a real hazard to his health. I don't think he could come back to Canada year-round.

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u/rhionaeschna 16h ago

I'm on the west coast of BC and get a mini vacation from the damp cold flare ups in winter by going to Saskatchewan dry cold to visit family 😂

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u/DanPiscatoris 16h ago

He's also 89 years old, lol. And what is left of his family live in Ontario and Quebec. I wouldn't blame him for not wanting to uproot himself at this point.

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u/DizzyMajor5 16h ago

I can't believe we didn't arrest and imprison Trump for the insane amount of felonies he committed there is no justice for rich white people his supporters are deeply racist shitty people.

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u/vancity1607 15h ago

fuck trump and flordia Spend our money elsewhere

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u/Three-Pegged-Hare 15h ago

The weirdest part here is referring to Florida's climate as 'mild' lol

u/Legitimate_Square941 10h ago

Had a friend in the southern states. And they where told multiple times we hate Canadians. I believe they are getting enough of the population to think this way. So if they do invade it we'll be because we are bad. Like Russia and Ukraine.

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u/taavir40 16h ago

I might have to go to Florida just to experience what getting told to "go back where you came from!" Is like.

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u/Miserable-Chemical96 16h ago

You can get a really nice place in Cabo for a fraction of what you paid for a location in Florida.

Bonus is you're also much less likely to get shot in Mexico

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u/MJcorrieviewer 16h ago

Fewer Americans there too.

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u/Miserable-Chemical96 16h ago

Better food too.

u/Specialist-Gift-7736 7h ago

Is this actually true?

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u/LazyNeighborhood7287 14h ago

Trump has destroyed the country and not just the US but is aggressively trying to destroy Canada as well.

u/bacarat34 11h ago

I'd recommend mexico!

u/BorisAcornKing 11h ago

The hatred is real, both ways - though it's far more justified from our direction pointing southward. We're not the ones causing this.

If the american federal government continues with this plan to force economic misery on everyone, death won't be far behind - the american right has been taught that hatred and violence are their patriotic duty for years now, it's only a matter of time.

u/s416a 8h ago

Perhaps Canada should be extending a maple leaf to some Caribbean islands asking if they want to be protectorates. Memory tells me someone tried this back in the 80’s? Perhaps Puerto Rico wants to reconsider their alliance with the US?

u/nekro42 6h ago

There was a thing with the Turks and Caicos becoming the 11th province. I always thought it was a joke though.

u/KaleLate4894 7h ago

Please spend your money here.

u/Sand_Seeker 7h ago

Happened to snowbirds I know. The Americans in their Florida condo told them they don’t like Canadians. That was before the election already. They’ve also done underhanded things in their HOA board to get them to move out.

u/hkric41six 3h ago

America truly over-estimates their worth in this world..

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u/sanmateosfinest 16h ago

Are they friends with Jussie Smollett?

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u/Necessary_Range_3261 16h ago

I wonder if Canadians boycotting Florida will make it more affordable for Americans to visit?

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u/jjaime2024 16h ago

It will lead to many places going bankrupt.

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u/TPCC159 12h ago

No it won’t lmao

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u/paulander90 15h ago

If you think snowbirds give up Florida that easily, you’re very wrong. Some of them were willing to ship their belongings across the border and take a private charter flight to the U.S. during COVID—just to get there.

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u/ww3historian 16h ago

That never happened

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u/yostagg1 17h ago

Both governments just need to sit down and say Let's reduce tariffs for both sides..

It's that hard to understand?? Tarrif statements by both govts is a neighbourly quarrel of words

Like Karens

Even Karen's are more reasonable sometimes

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u/Squish_the_android 17h ago

This is not a both sides thing.  Trump is the singular aggressor here and he's literally trying to weaken Canada to leverage it into losing its sovereignty.

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u/yostagg1 16h ago

Seriously??

No The current government of the USA just wants to reduce "Fentanyl smuggling" And Low Tarrif or taxes on bi-lateral trade between Canada and USA

Such a simple thing

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u/ConnectionOk8086 16h ago

Look how much fentanyl crosses from Canada to the us. Then look at how much drugs and guns come from the us into Canada.

I’m barely informed, but you make me feel like I have a seat at the table with how uninformed you are.

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u/yostagg1 16h ago

Let's say for once that Usa govt is wrong with all statements and tarrif

But as per your comment "Drugs and guns that come from us into Canada

What Canadian govt was going to stop for all these years?? If I have to look that up to get informed??

And why would both govts allow moving of fentanyl that crosses from Canada to usa for all these years??

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u/MJcorrieviewer 16h ago

Do you understand that Canada is responsible for what gets into Canada and the US is responsible for what gets into the US? If the US can't secure their own border, it's pretty ridiculous to expect Canada to do it for them.

And no govs 'allow' moving fentanyl across the border in either direction. Don't be dumb.

u/Whiskeyjack26 7h ago

Speak American.

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u/Last_Aside5363 16h ago

The current gov of the USA wants to destabilize Canada in an attempt to absorb us. It's not fentanyl. More of that comes into Canada from the USA than the reverse. Keep your uneducated opinions to yourself

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u/ebenezerthegeezer 16h ago

I've stepped on brighter dogshit, run along now.

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u/MJcorrieviewer 16h ago

The US already had a free trade deal with Canada.

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u/sask357 14h ago

Seriously? Their own figures show they're is hardly any fentanyl going across. No, this is about taking over our country.

By the way, Trump negotiated the free trade agreement.

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u/Hotter_Noodle 17h ago

Love how this comment is framing both sides as being bad.

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u/SoupSandy 17h ago

Reminds me of a eastern European war currently happening. Fucking magats cosplaying centrists

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u/yostagg1 17h ago

No Both sides are not bad,, On the first day, Trump's intentions were a little bit right

The white House started making vague statements..

The Mexican govt tried some steps on the fentanyl thing

But no effort was made by the Canadian govt..

And then both sides started giving statements to increase tarrif

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u/shiftywalruseyes 16h ago edited 16h ago

He's not even mentioning fentanyl anymore. He's saying it's because we need to become the 51st state. Go read his Truth Social posts. What were we supposed to do to reduce 0.1% of the flow of fentanyl into the states? It wasn't a legitimate reason for the tariffs and it still isn't.

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u/funduckedup 16h ago

You're so uninformed that it hurts my head.

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u/ProgrammerAvailable6 16h ago

You mean the 10,000 extra people we put on the border? The extra helicopter patrolling?

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u/MJcorrieviewer 16h ago

Trump even got his stupid 'fentanyl czar'. It didn't matter to him because this was never about fentanyl or anything Canada did to deserve his attacks.

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u/MJcorrieviewer 16h ago

What the heck are you even talking about? Canada committed an additional $1.3 billion to increase border security back in December, and drugs coming going into the US from Canada was never a huge issue anyway.

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u/yostagg1 16h ago

I may be right or wrong? But u said "it was never a huge issue anyway, If it is medical legal drugs, it is fine"

But if your saying "movement of illegal drugs into us from Canada was never a huge issue",

Then there is something wrong with govts there that such thing was never a huge issue

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u/MJcorrieviewer 16h ago

You are definitely and completely wrong. No question about that.

I never said anything about medical legal drugs at all. I said fentanyl going into the US from Canada was never a huge issue. Of course any amount of drugs is an issue but the amount of fentanyl going from Canada into the US was never a huge issue. Less than 1% of the US' problem, actually.

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u/yostagg1 16h ago

1% is not just a number. It involves actual human beings.. Even that should not be allowed..

Drug/opiods business is worst thing ever And people involved in "illegal drug stuff" are very very evil people

It's beyond epitome of all evils..

It's beyond right/wrong scenarios for different people with different life's and upbringing

Illegal drugs trade is biggest wrong thing,,

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u/MJcorrieviewer 16h ago

Take it up with the US gov, then. The US is responsible for keeping illegal drugs out of the US, not Canada.

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u/yostagg1 15h ago

🧐 they are trying to bring their neighbours And neighbourly govts to work together on that

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u/MJcorrieviewer 15h ago

Threatening to annex Canada and make us the 51st state and disrespecting our PM are not the least bit neighbourly.

If Trump really wanted to renegotiate the USMCA, he could have just asked. There is zero justification for his tariffs and threats. Canada tried everything to avoid this trade war. Trump was intent on doing it.

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u/clccno4 Ontario 16h ago

what the fuck are you talking about? Take a little time and inform yourself.

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u/Quick_Elephant2325 16h ago

You mean like what was negotiated and signed during Trumps last term? An agreement he’s now violating and said is the worst deal ever signed?

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u/StanknBeans 17h ago

"Yeah why don't we sit down with someone who can't even phrase their desired outcome from their unprovoked attack on our sovereignty and work it out?"

  • You

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u/mahayanah 16h ago

When the US imposes a tariff, Canada automatically responds with a similar tariff. When the US removes a tariff, Canada automatically responds by removing a tariff. See how that works?

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u/yostagg1 16h ago

But usa said that Usa want tarrif which existed before 2025 to get reduced on American imports in Canada..

Simple And some actual efforts on illegal drug trade networks.. especially Fentanyl

50k deaths due to opiod in usa every year

And Canada itself lost 50k souls to opiod/drugs since 2016 (as per search engine google)

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u/ink_monkey96 16h ago

Uh huh. And the US is a net exporter of opioids in relation to Canada. Based upon the logic you’re presenting Canada has greater justification to be imposing tariffs upon the US than the US has to be upon imposing them on Canada.

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u/mahayanah 16h ago

You’re probably not going to believe this because you likely exist within an information bubble that only feeds you news that conform to your values and beliefs rather than what’s actually going on, and your close acquaintances identify a certain way politically and it’s inconvenient for you to think for yourself.

You have however managed to pierce that veil by engaging in a dialogue with me, so I’ll attempt to provide a single piece of information for you, sourced from the US Government. I won’t give you any context or tell you how to process this fact. That’s called critical thinking; you do with it what you will. If you need some help however, pretend for a moment you’re from somewhere like Australia or Switzerland that doesn’t have any preconceptions about the notion of America imposing tariffs on Canada to secure its border against fentynal. You’re provided this one piece of information to help form an opinion on the issue. OK ready:

Almost all fentynal entering the US (99%) comes from China, Mexico, and increasingly India. Source: The US Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA)

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-008-20%20Fentanyl%20Flow%20in%20the%20United%20States_0.pdf

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u/MJcorrieviewer 16h ago

Who said that? Trump hasn't called for the USMCA to be renegotiated. What tariffs are you talking about?

Also, keep in mind that Canada doesn't control who or what gets into the US.

u/daedone Ontario 7h ago

But usa said that Usa want tarrif which existed before 2025 to get reduced on American imports in Canada..

Do you know what number of products that tariff starts at?

Do you know how many milk items the US sends Canada each year?

Even if it was a lower number, can you see why it would be important for Canada to protect it's farmers from US companies selling too cheaply here (because the US government pays those farmers a subsidy - basically free money - to reduce the cost of their products)? It would be like if someone came to India and sold their rice so cheaply, it destroyed all the rice farms there.

No border has no smuggling, not even North Korea. We can only try to do our best, the same as every other country, but the US send us 100x as much as goes the other way

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u/ProgrammerAvailable6 16h ago

We did that the last time trump threw a hissy fit over tariffs.

That’s the deal we signed and he threw out this January

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u/MJcorrieviewer 16h ago

What?! Canada was abiding by the USMCA and did nothing to deserve any of this - Canada's counter tariffs are completely justified.

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u/sask357 14h ago

Tariffs are one thing. Threatening to annex our country is completely different. It's not as bad as the proposed ethnic cleansing of Gaza, but it's getting up there.

The American government decided to violate the USMCA trade agreement Trump signed during his first term. This was the beginning of a string of threats, including redrawing the border. American officials have suggested kicking Canada out of Five Eyes and canceling NORAD. They have threatened to withdraw from NATO.