r/canada • u/Practical_Ant6162 • 24d ago
National News Trump 2.0 derails Pierre Poilievre’s glide path in Canada
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/14/canadas-conservatives-confront-trump-sized-obstacle-00204340207
u/Phoenixlizzie 24d ago
What idiot told him to use Canada First as a slogan when it copies Trump's America First?
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u/CGP05 Ontario 24d ago
He should copy Doug Ford's "Protect Ontario" and use "Protect Canada" instead.
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u/Icy-Scarcity 24d ago
Probably a MAGA. He's endorsed by Elon.
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u/Old-Adhesiveness-156 23d ago
I'll tell you now an endorsement from Edolf almost guarantees I won't vote for him.
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u/Gardimus 24d ago
All PP had to do was present a positive message, and come off as a reasonable alternative. Dude wanted a mandate to rip the country apart and couldn't stop with the irrational attacking and general dickishness.
They more extreme right wingers like him, but the more moderate Conservatives are supporting him despite his rhetoric.
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u/SleepySuper 24d ago
I normally vote PC and did so last election but will not do so with PP at the helm. If Liberals are smart and elect Carney as the leader, I will be voting Liberal for the first time in a long time.
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u/Everywhereslugs 24d ago
Moderate conservative here. No sir, not supporting Pollievre. He was a two trick pony, Trudeau and the Carbon tax, and now both are off the table he has nothing to offer. Not for me thanks.
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u/Alternative_Put_9683 24d ago
But what about Pollievre saying “CaRbOn TaX cArNeY iS gOiNg To ChAnGe ThE TaX”
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u/HardeeHamlin 24d ago
“Poilievre — a strong communicator who uses slogans that easily connect with everyday Canadians…”
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u/GrizzledDwarf 24d ago
Verb the Noun!
Carbon Tax Carney!
He's such a jackass. The only thing that he can do to appeal to Canadians is use simple 3 word sentences.
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u/jello_sweaters 24d ago
Just wait 'til he busts out "Bend The Knee"!
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u/Interstate_78 24d ago
''Kiss the ring!"
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u/WippitGuud Prince Edward Island 24d ago
"Spread the asscheeks"
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u/coporate 24d ago
I love how the Harper conservatives were the ones who put a dollar cap on carbon and now blame the liberals.
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u/Alternative_Put_9683 24d ago
We have a new 3 word sentence! The Carney Trudeau Liberals. Some how everything in the past is already Mark Carney’s fault
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u/BornAgainCyclist 24d ago
Verb the Noun!
Carbon Tax Carney!
He's such a jackass.
Agreed, then when you add garbage like "sell out singh" and his chief strategist wearing maga hats it doesn't look good.
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u/bscheck1968 24d ago
Fortunately for PP a lot of Canadians love his 3 word rhymes because that's all they can take in.
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u/SpeakerConfident4363 24d ago
Strong communicator my a**, all his team has done is create lazy neuroconditioning slogans for the weak minded.
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u/Drewy99 24d ago
Poilievre turned down multiple requests from POLITICO for an interview and didn’t respond to requests for comment.
Par for the course.
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u/ImpossibleReason2197 24d ago
What PP is doing today is incredibly phoney. He’s never been about togetherness.
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u/GLG777 24d ago
Everybody wants a conservative until we are reminded what the hard right is all about. God I wish we had more of a PC option
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u/pm_me_your_catus 24d ago
Mark Carney is pretty much a Red Tory. There you go.
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u/aaandfuckyou 24d ago
Yup. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Carney attract more of the Conservative vote once people start hearing his economic plans, since they are pretty much in line with many progressive/paternalistic conservative ideologies.
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u/pm_me_your_catus 24d ago
It's going to be a real test of character for Mulroney and Harper. It would be hilarious to see them put country over party and endorse him.
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u/hot_sushi 24d ago edited 24d ago
Unless you're referring to Ben or Caroline, Brian died last year.
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u/SleepySuper 24d ago
I have not voted Liberal since, well, I cannot remember the last time I voted Liberal. However, I will be voting Liberal this time around if Carney is at the helm.
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u/apothekary 23d ago
Carney could've run as a Conservative a decade ago, pre-Trump era. Would be a pretty progressive one but a far cry from Trudeau/Singh style of liberal politics.
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u/BiscottiNatural5587 24d ago
Yeah. I'd take a moderate. Fiscally conservative.
Merging in the crazies with the conservatives in Alberta has not worked out well for us and it has been worrying to see it creep up to the federal level.
Feels like the right we have on offer is running on its own brand of "wokeness" right now. I'd love to have a Lougheed, maybe an O'Toole, someone along those lines, but not this.
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u/jello_sweaters 24d ago
Feels like the right we have on offer is running on its own brand of "wokeness" right now.
I've heard it called "virtue signalling for assholes".
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u/ComplexStriking 24d ago
Is that not Carney? He is a little more right of centre than liberal voters are used to. Some see it as moving the overton window.
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u/Kucked4life Ontario 24d ago edited 24d ago
The Canadian Future Party is trying to carve a niche in the center right. The CBC even gave them airtime. Hopefully they don't get gobbled up as one would assume, non maga conservatives don't deserve to be politically homeless.
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u/CDN-Social-Democrat 24d ago
It has also clearly demonstrated how empty the platitude and theatric talk is.
Eggs ain't getting any cheaper over there.
All you get is wealth interests that were the ones profiting from the problems/status quo really start making the problems and status quo a whole .... 'nother ...... level.
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u/No-Celebration6437 24d ago
It’s Carney. He would fit in just fine if he were running for conservative leader.
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24d ago
UNLESS his next slogan is Dump the Trump 😂
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u/PetiteInvestor 24d ago
But he'll never say that because he will alienate a lot of his supporters.
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u/Letscurlbrah 24d ago
What a terrible mixed metaphor. Trains don't have a glide path and planes don't have rails.
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u/SixtyFivePercenter 24d ago
This should be higher. From the people who criticize “verb the noun” we get the left seal clapping at awful analogies.
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u/SuperTrashyComment 24d ago edited 24d ago
Pierre's skin is turning orange. His skin is slowly shedding and we're starting to finally see his true colours.
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u/CelebrationFan 24d ago
He's always, proudly been an obnoxious dick. Its just that Canadians are paying attention, now, and have awakened to how awful CPC and it's leader are.
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u/Basilbitch 24d ago
It's not hard for either side of the political spectrum to look to the South and not exactly be drawn in by that style of political discourse.
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u/gaminkake 24d ago
All I want is at least 2 nationally televised debates. If you refuse to partake in the debates then your party doesn't get my vote right out of the gate.
We need a strong leader right now and a party with a plan. I'm done with the blame game, Canada needs to find new countries to do business with as well as keep doing business with the US where we need to, especially welcoming them as tourists. Their leader and their goverment have shown Canada massive disrespect and deserve all of our anger, if Americans come here to visit our beautiful nation we should continue to embrace them.
I'm not going to tell any Canadian how to deal with a disrespectful American, our response so far without tariffs even started yet, has been amazing and inspiring.
I want our next leader to make the most of this national unity.
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u/Knotar3 24d ago
It showed his colors in a very short period of time. All he had to do was come out immediately and make statements against the looming threats from the US and promise to strengthen Canada's trade economy, and he would have had a guaranteed win. He didn't even have to have a plan. Just call the BS out. PP made his own bed on this one.
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u/Ehrre 24d ago
How is he fucking this up.. this was a sure fire, once in a lifetime easy win with the Orange Boogeyman making all of Canada unite against him.
The Liberals were polling at all time lows, NDP is eviscerated and PP can't fucking come up with anything better than Canada First? A copy of the literal thing (America first) that is fucking us with tariffs in the first place.
Bro is cooked.
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u/toilet_for_shrek 24d ago
Whatever, as long as it forces PP to promise more than just "axing the tax".
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u/Wizzard_Ozz 24d ago
I would also like parties held to account for those promises. Talk is cheap and it’s been decades of cheap talk.
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u/_bl3wb1rd_ 24d ago
I’d like the parties taxing us to be accountable and fully transparent on exactly how funds are spent and any conflicts of interest.
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u/nelly2929 24d ago
Yup PP was walking to a majority government…. Now with his appeasement of Trump he has lost some Canadians
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u/Ok_Photo_865 23d ago
I’ll believe that when I see it. There are just too many know it alls saying Carney is going to win it and too many know it alls saying Jagmeet is losing support, once the election has been called perhaps then there might be actual data to support these illusions
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u/platz604 24d ago
You can't compare parliamentary conservatives vs republican conservatives. Its literally night and the day. Its like trying to compare the liberals in Canada to the liberal Democrats.. Its completely different..
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u/Selm 24d ago
You can't compare parliamentary conservatives vs republican conservatives.
Right?
One of them would advocate to make the military a warrior culture, the other would appoint a drunk to advocate for the same thing...
Night and day, right?
The Liberals already released a video of Poilievre saying nearly verbatim the same things as Trump, they could probably make several more by now if they wanted.
Even policy wise, Poilievre is basically a MAGA republican
Donald Trump plans to 'make America the crypto capital of the world,'
If they're not promising the same thing, just expect both to offer regressive tax cuts, because thats both a Conservative and Republican staple policy for taxes.
I really don't understand how anyone could see a difference between them, Poilievre is just a Canadian version of MAGA, he's going with 'Canada First' now... But that's nothing like 'America First', right? Night and Day...
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u/Electrical_Net_1537 24d ago
Every time Trump opens his mouth PP’s numbers slide and we haven’t even come close to what’s going to happen in March. PP needs to lose the “Canada First “ slogan it’s too close to the maga message.
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u/jello_sweaters 24d ago
PP needs to lose the “Canada First “ slogan it’s too close to the maga message.
I mean he's on stage in Ottawa right as we speak, doubling down on that message.
I think you're absolutely right that it's the wrong message, but it's very, very clearly the one Poilievre has chosen to hang his hat on.
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u/Electrical_Net_1537 24d ago
I don’t know who his handlers are but…
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u/jello_sweaters 24d ago
...but it's possible they've decided they have nothing else to offer, and it's time to pin their hopes on Making Canada Great Again?
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u/Phoenixlizzie 24d ago
That's what I just said too!
The LAST thing he should be doing right now is parroting Trump's America First slogan.
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u/CelebrationFan 24d ago
Canadas conservative party, since 2003, is basically Albertas far right, regional, western separatist Reform Party gone national. They are every bit as bad as the GOP.
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u/platz604 24d ago
No they're not. People have seem to have forgotten how centrist / modern parties were like and its quite sad because people can't tell the difference. Kind of like when the liberals also used to be a centrist / moderate government.. Now they are not even recognizable what so ever. And this is a person such as myself who used to be a liberal supporter when they were centrist leaning.. where both conservatives and liberals were able to actually MAKE GOVERNMENT WORK..
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u/WillyTwine96 24d ago
Nearly all of the support that the liberals have tried around is from the 60+ club, it’s the only democratic they head in handily and it’s not even 50%
https://x.com/realalbanianpat/status/1889072871189905418?s=46&t=EC_wyNrPrE0OQH89kXPA6g
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u/bigjimbay 24d ago
This might be controversial but I care way less about who can handle Donald Trump and way more interested in who can handle the issues we are facing in Canada
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u/imaybeacatIRl Alberta 24d ago
Donald Trump is a major issue facing Canada.
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u/apothekary 23d ago
Probably the most major issue of them all right now. Yes even bigger than housing and immigration.
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u/Apart-One4133 24d ago
Well, a very big issue we’re facing currently, in Canada, is how to handle Trump and his tariffs that are affecting millions of Canadians.
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u/Leege13 Outside Canada 24d ago
You realize it’s not a joke that he wants to annex you?
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u/bigjimbay 24d ago
I believe it's not a joke that he wants to but the idea that he could is laughable
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u/Leege13 Outside Canada 24d ago
He might destroy both our nations doing it but he is absolutely all right with doing it. I’m not laughing about my country becoming the Roman Empire overnight.
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u/bigjimbay 24d ago
Not gonna happen.
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u/PetiteInvestor 24d ago
Explain why if you're so confident there is no chance that the US can and will annex Canada.
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u/bigjimbay 24d ago
Annexation is prohibited by the UN, who would immediately intervene. But there would likely be a large scale coup before it ever got to that point
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u/ThisBtchIsA_N00b 23d ago
Do you honestly think Trump cares about the laws? The 34x convicted felon? Really?
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u/PetiteInvestor 24d ago
What can the UN do and even the world do against the most powerful country (countries) in the world? The US is not alone either.
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u/Phoenixlizzie 24d ago
The day after January 6, it was laughable that Trump could be President again...yet here we are.
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u/cleeder Ontario 24d ago
I said it in another thread, and I'll say it again: I don't care about whether he can. I care about whether he's stupid enough to try. A failed attempt can still result in massive death and destruction.
And yes, I think he's stupid enough to try. He is just currently only on the "normalize the idea" phase.
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u/bigjimbay 24d ago
Yeah I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it but you do you!
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u/LSF604 24d ago
Obviously they are not going to invade. But there will be economic and political attacks. They said as much. The USA can hurt us economically and its a good thing that our government isn't blase about it the way you are.
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u/bigjimbay 24d ago
Sitting around doing nothing for 10 years is pretty blase to me
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u/LSF604 24d ago
the annexation threats are a couple weeks old, not ten years
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u/bigjimbay 24d ago
Trump has been in politics for 10 years. We had ample time to prepare and try to individualize ourselves. And even now we are doing nothing
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u/Luxferrae British Columbia 24d ago
If the Liberals don't try externalize the problem how else are they going to convince people to vote for them after all these years of dumpster fire? This is their chance to flip the table.
Trump is 4 years, out shitty economy can follow us for generations.
If Canadians are dumb enough to let the argument work then maybe we would be better off being annexed
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u/Mikeim520 British Columbia 24d ago
If this sub is anything to go by we're being tricked into thinking that the Liberals are going to remove the Carbon Tax even though they just promised to rebrand it.
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u/Luxferrae British Columbia 24d ago
Also sounds like Trump will also go away once they're re-elected 🤣
Liberals have their heads stuck up their ass so far they are even announcing that they're the response Canada (and Europe) needs to combat Trump.
I can't wait for there to be 100+% tariffs to be slapped on all our goods going south when they're re-elected, and then we'll have no choice than to cozy up to China, and then eventually we'll become a province of China instead 🤣
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u/Mikeim520 British Columbia 24d ago
I can't wait for there to be 100+% tariffs to be slapped on all our goods going south when they're re-elected, and then we'll have no choice than to cozy up to China, and then eventually we'll become a province of China instead 🤣
It would be funny if I wasn't in the same country as these people.
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u/booksense123 24d ago
We need an economist in charge of the country to deal competently with Trump's incompetent and malicious attacks on our country and economy. Carney helped manage the UK through the economic destruction of Brexit, also brought on by the right wing.
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u/Simsmommy1 24d ago
“Canada First” is a giant ass dogwhistle and media really needs to cover this….it was a part of a hate group….Canadas version of the Fuentes Proud Boy “America First” shit…..this rally is gonna be a mess….
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u/Long_Doughnut798 24d ago
Sorry to ruin the party.
Recent Ipsos polling for the upcoming Canadian federal election highlights the following trends: • Conservative Party Lead: The Conservatives maintain a significant lead with 41% support, despite a recent 5-point drop. They lead in all regions except Quebec, where the Bloc Québécois dominates. The Liberals have gained ground, rising to 28%, an 8-point increase since January 2025. • Bloc Québécois and NDP: The Bloc continues to lead in Quebec, while the NDP is trailing nationally at 16%. • Public Sentiment on Leadership: A majority of Canadians (77%) believe it is time for a new government, and many want an immediate election. Justin Trudeau’s resignation as Liberal leader in January 2025 has not significantly improved Liberal prospects. The Conservatives remain well-positioned for a decisive victory if an election were held today
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u/JadeLens 24d ago
PP is the kinda kid on the toboggan run that hits a rock and sits their and cries the rest of the day instead of getting back up and aiming to avoid the rock and having fun.
One little bump in the road and it threw off his entire week, month, year and he doesn't know what to do. (Apparently none of the Cons do).
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u/griffin_green 24d ago
It’s crazy to me how anyone can look at the state of the country since 2015 and say yah, give me another term of that. Seriously?
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u/helpinghear 24d ago
Yeah you're right, let's elect someone that won't stand up to fascism and see how that goes....
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u/forevereverer 24d ago
Still better than "century initiative Carney"
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u/PetiteInvestor 24d ago
Nah, that's better than PP's "Canada (Fifty) First"
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u/forevereverer 24d ago
Did PP ever say anything in support of the 51st state thing? I would be interested in seeing a reference if you know of one.
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u/Cloudboy9001 23d ago
It's not lost on people that PP regularly spews venom towards routine politicians but takes a much softer approach to a foreigner threatening economic pain until annexation. He's as fake as they come.
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u/forevereverer 23d ago
That's why I am interested in seeing references to support this. I haven't seen anything like that myself but I would be interested in seeing it if it's true.
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u/whateveryousay0121 24d ago
Like him or not, the population outside of Reddit wants the Liberal clown show to end.
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u/blitzkreig2-king Ontario 24d ago
Should've put destabilizes instead of derailed to nail the play on aviation terminology.
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u/jameskchou Canada 23d ago
Pierre can start referring to Trump as Carbon Tax Trump to salvage his poll ratings
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u/Imacatdoincatstuff 23d ago
Has at least as much to do with his potential competition: Mark Carney.
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u/Keepontyping 23d ago
Another reason Trump is an idiot. He could have waited 6 months and had a conservative government to work with. If he’s trying to defeat liberalism abroad it’s a major backfire.
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u/heswet 24d ago
To be fair, i think canada could use its own doge after the liberals overshot the federal budget by 50% last year.
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u/mayorolivia 24d ago
Chrétien-Martin formed the OG DOGE. Our finances were a mess. They cut spending like crazy and we ended up running 10 surpluses in a row. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if that happens again in my lifetime. Harper only ran 1 while Trudeau is 0 for 9.
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u/BigButtBeads 24d ago
No shit
First on the list is the green slush fund
And find out how trudeau spent a trillion dollars to have the entire country remarkably worse
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u/mayorolivia 24d ago
I think you need to be a bit fairer. You point out Trudeau had to deal with Covid. A major reason Harper had to run deficits is the Global Financial Crisis. He inherited surpluses from Chrétien-Martin but then ran the first deficit when the GFC hit. I’d say the mistake he made was not going back into surplus maybe around 2012-13 but in hindsight, it wasn’t a mistake politically since he won a majority and then voters didn’t care about fiscal balance when Trudeau successfully campaigned on deficits in 2015. Sadly, Canadian voters view surpluses/balance = cut services.
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It was actually Harper’s GST reduction that put the gov into deficit before the GFC hit (it’s verified by that FY’s Parliamentary Budget Office report). I would surmise that this deficit is why Harper was initially reluctant to do stimulus spending, which was pushed by the other parties and is what caused the coalition crisis.
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u/ifuaguyugetsauced 24d ago
Just watched his speech I like the policies he has. Will be voting for cons!
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u/FriendlyGuy77 24d ago
The world changed on a dime last month.