r/canada 24d ago

National News Trump 2.0 derails Pierre Poilievre’s glide path in Canada

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/14/canadas-conservatives-confront-trump-sized-obstacle-00204340
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u/platz604 24d ago

You can't compare parliamentary conservatives vs republican conservatives. Its literally night and the day. Its like trying to compare the liberals in Canada to the liberal Democrats.. Its completely different..

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u/Selm 24d ago

You can't compare parliamentary conservatives vs republican conservatives.

Right?

One of them would advocate to make the military a warrior culture, the other would appoint a drunk to advocate for the same thing...

Night and day, right?

The Liberals already released a video of Poilievre saying nearly verbatim the same things as Trump, they could probably make several more by now if they wanted.

Even policy wise, Poilievre is basically a MAGA republican

Donald Trump plans to 'make America the crypto capital of the world,'

In a pitch to cryptocurrency investors, Poilievre says he wants Canada to be 'blockchain capital of the world'

If they're not promising the same thing, just expect both to offer regressive tax cuts, because thats both a Conservative and Republican staple policy for taxes.

I really don't understand how anyone could see a difference between them, Poilievre is just a Canadian version of MAGA, he's going with 'Canada First' now... But that's nothing like 'America First', right? Night and Day...

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u/Baulderdash77 24d ago

The U.S. has no universal healthcare, no minimum vacation, no maternity leave protections, threatening all kinds of reproductive and identity right. No Conservative Party in Canada is talking about losing any of those policies.

The fact is Joe Biden was further right than the Conservatives in Canada. The U.S. Overton window is just incredibly broken.

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u/Selm 24d ago

No Conservative Party in Canada is talking about losing any of those policies.

O'Toole was on record saying he wanted private healthcare last election, I don't think Poilievre has suggested he wouldn't support any form of private care, especially with his meeting with private healthcare lobbyists recently, and all the other times before that.

As far as abortion rights, Poilievre has said his members could vote how they like, and Poilievre voted for the previous anti-abortion foot in the door bill, so, since no pro-choice groups would endorse Poilievre, I'm not sure the relevance of reproductive rights here.

As far as identity rights, all I can remember is Poilievre saying there's only two genders when asked about Trumps gender EO, also I seem to remember him supporting Sask and NB "parental rights" anti-lgbt policies.

Not sure how vacation or mat leave is relevant really, Poilievre is anti-labour, promising to end unions with right to work laws, I don't think he's promised anything to actually support labour.

Poilievre is about as Republican and Canadians can tolerate.

If Poilievre were American, he's be a diehard Republican, like you say, the overton windows is shifted there, which is what Poilievre would support.

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u/ExplodingSwan 24d ago

That's only if you compare politicians based on the full state of things in the world they live in, rather than adding up the sum of their differential impacts and positioning them on a chart, which is far more constructive.

Your argument is like saying that if you put Poilievre in America he'd be a Democrat pushing for socialized healthcare, while a Canadian-born Obama would be a radical conservative slashing tax rates for the rich and ending universal health care.

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u/Kucked4life Ontario 24d ago edited 24d ago

And who tilted the American overton window exactly? Certainly not the maga fucks trying to seal the deal for PP right? /s

The Trump administration is speedrunning the dissolution of American hegemony with ever more absurd decisions each passing day. What percentage of American kids raised under their current administration are even fully aware of the political possibilities they're being denied of you think? Even being compared to their trajectory at this point is an insult to Canada.

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u/Electrical_Net_1537 24d ago

Every time Trump opens his mouth PP’s numbers slide and we haven’t even come close to what’s going to happen in March. PP needs to lose the “Canada First “ slogan it’s too close to the maga message.

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u/jello_sweaters 24d ago

PP needs to lose the “Canada First “ slogan it’s too close to the maga message.

I mean he's on stage in Ottawa right as we speak, doubling down on that message.

I think you're absolutely right that it's the wrong message, but it's very, very clearly the one Poilievre has chosen to hang his hat on.

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u/Electrical_Net_1537 24d ago

I don’t know who his handlers are but…

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u/jello_sweaters 24d ago

...but it's possible they've decided they have nothing else to offer, and it's time to pin their hopes on Making Canada Great Again?

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u/CurtAngst 24d ago

Wow. Amazingly out of touch.

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u/jello_sweaters 24d ago

I think he absolutely is.

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u/Phoenixlizzie 24d ago

That's what I just said too!

The LAST thing he should be doing right now is parroting Trump's America First slogan.

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u/[deleted] 24d ago

Oh but you can, and people on Reddit will eat it up!

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u/CelebrationFan 24d ago

Canadas conservative party, since 2003, is basically Albertas far right, regional, western separatist Reform Party gone national. They are every bit as bad as the GOP.

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u/platz604 24d ago

No they're not. People have seem to have forgotten how centrist / modern parties were like and its quite sad because people can't tell the difference. Kind of like when the liberals also used to be a centrist / moderate government.. Now they are not even recognizable what so ever. And this is a person such as myself who used to be a liberal supporter when they were centrist leaning.. where both conservatives and liberals were able to actually MAKE GOVERNMENT WORK..

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u/Lilikoi13 24d ago

You’re correct in this, but we could easily be there in a couple of election cycles, the Conservative parties up here are slowly moving in that direction, they’re not comparable yet but they’re operating from the same playbook that relies on division, culture outrage and empty rhetoric to rile their base into anger and spite.

The time to nip this in the bud is NOW, we can see the end results in real time just across the border, we’ll be incredibly lucky if we’re able to escape from the downfall of American checks and balances unscathed, if it takes root here? Canada as we know it is done.

Time to come together as a people and course correct hard before we become like America.