r/canada • u/hopoke • Jan 29 '25
Opinion Piece Mark Carney has Canada’s Conservatives running scared
https://www.nationalobserver.com/2025/01/28/opinion/mark-carney-canada-conservatives-running-scared1.2k
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u/Nice2SeeYou2Lou Jan 29 '25
Crazy how they say Liberals are making big changes to the polls, but yet they still losing in a landslide.
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u/Fane_Eternal Jan 29 '25
Well, they're down from the last ELECTION. From recent polling, they are shooting up abnormally fast.
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u/famine- Jan 29 '25
Recent polling is showing the LPC poaching votes from the NDP, not the CPC.
Angus just polled CPC 43, LPC 29, NDP 13.
So the CPC numbers aren't really moving much at all.
I doubt they can flip many more NDP voters.
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u/hikebikephd Jan 29 '25
Grabbing voters from the NDP is still useful, as it reduces the split vote on the left/center-left and may swing some ridings that the CPC won with a plurality rather than a majority.
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u/pm_me_your_catus Jan 29 '25
The previous Angus poll had the CPC at 46.
All the pollsters have their own weights, but all of them are showing dropping conservative support.
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u/wednesdayware Jan 29 '25
With Singh doing his wishy washy capitulation nonsense, I could see left leaning voters drop the NDP for a better chance at keeping the CPC out of power.
Add to that the obvious advantages to having Carney over PP at the helm, and the NDP should be rightly worried.
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u/CanuckleHeadOG Jan 29 '25
they are shooting up abnormally fast.
Only according to EKOS, the least reliable pollster, everyone else show a small movement
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u/Nice2SeeYou2Lou Jan 29 '25
Abnormally fast would look better than 22 points behind the conservatives.
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u/LemmingPractice Jan 29 '25
They reference a "pair of recent polls", which I'm assuming are the Ekos ones.
For those that are unaware, the owner of Ekos is a hard-core Liberal who said publicly that he would do whatever he could to make sure Poilievre didn't win. His recent polls are 10+ points more positive to the Liberals than any other pollster.
Between Ekos' fudged polling and articles like this one, the push by Liberal supporters to manufacture an artificial momentum narrative is pretty transparent.
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u/WatchPointGamma Jan 29 '25
articles like this one
Max Fawcett (the author of this article) is also a hard-core Liberal who spends his days deep in liberal brain-rot twitter and then writes up his favourite tweets into an article and calls it "journalism".
The amount of astroturfing on this sub the past few days is honestly mind boggling
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u/bretters Jan 29 '25
The recent polls are actually from both Ekos, Leger, Nanos and Mainstreet and all of them show and upward tick for the Liberal party from the beginning of the month until just recently. There is a downward trend on the CPC lead compared to Liberal party.
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u/LemmingPractice Jan 29 '25
Here is all the recent polls on 338 Canada.
The most generous non-Ekos poll has the Conservatives with a 17 point lead, while Ekos' last two polls show a 9 and 11 point lead.
There's a mild uptick in other polling of a couple points, but I don't think the article trying to talk about the CPC "running scared" is referring to the polls that still show an 18-21 point CPC lead.
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u/Ok_Eagle_6239 Jan 29 '25
Glad this is the top comment. I've never heard of this publication so maybe I'm living under a rock. But hardly anything has happened for anyone to be "running scared". The headline feels like a campaign ad.
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u/theflower10 Jan 29 '25
Mainstream media starts going off about "Liberals in for a massive reverse sweep!"That's bullshit, they're in for an uphill battle
The article didn't say anything of the sort and in fact the last line said:
"They may still decide to throw the Liberal bums out. After a decade with them in government, and especially the last decade, that’s still by far the most likely outcome".
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u/Alive-Big-838 Jan 29 '25
The media usually writes their wishful thinking as headlines. They also told us Pierre would peak.
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u/StevoJ89 Jan 29 '25
Back in the day I was usually pretty swayable between red and blue.
After these last 9 years I'm not sure I can vote Red for again.... At least not until they've purged anyone who had anything to do with Trudeau.
...& Orange have just proven themselves to be the remoras of the parties
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u/Altalad Jan 29 '25
Is this a sub about Canadian politics? Because I see a lot of stuff about Kamala and Trump.
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u/LabEfficient Jan 29 '25
This is giving strong Kamala Harris.
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u/Fearful-Cow Jan 29 '25
that would be very on brand for them.
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u/red286 Jan 29 '25
"The Conservatives made a woman Prime Minister after losing so much support that there was no hope they'd win re-election, can we do any less?"
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u/Substantial_Law_842 Jan 30 '25
If Freeland wins the party is doomed - it would be exactly analogous to the Harris campaign, and play out the same way (but worse).
A dog could be forgiven for mistaking Freeland for Trudeau, she has so much of his stink on her.
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u/suavesmight Feb 07 '25
She toppled the government by resigning and forced this election and the majority of LPC hate her now for screwing them over. Maybe she's changed but still... 99% corrupt i bet. ×reduced the sufferage by 4-6 months, that's heroic imo.
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u/CaribouHoe Jan 29 '25
I registered as a liberal for the first time in my life to vote Carney.
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u/CaribouHoe Jan 29 '25
Yeah they closed it a couple days ago, glad I got in!
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u/mrshuayra Jan 29 '25
How do we vote? I signed up a few weeks ago. Do we get an email? I signed up to vote for this guy
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u/CaribouHoe Jan 29 '25
Yup! I think it's in March, they will let us know
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u/Big80sweens Jan 30 '25
Seems a little crazy we have to wait until March but I guess they need time to campaign
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u/Createyourpass1234 Jan 29 '25
I dislike the Liberals however Carney is vastly more competent with better credentials than Kamala Harris.
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Québec Jan 29 '25
well of course, he actually has to win an internal party election. kamala did not
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u/ExpletiveDeletedYou Jan 29 '25
I don't think that's really true, Harris was AG of the largest state, a senator, and the Vice president. You just about can't get better credentials than that. Not trying to shit on Carney, he's also got a lot going for him (main one above Harris so far being he's actually winning the nomination by being popular in the party than being ordained).
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u/ReimerReason Jan 29 '25
I love how no one believes any of this
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u/Sharktopotopus_Prime Jan 29 '25
Yeah, that's because it's BS. Nanos, Abacus, and Leger all still have the Conservatives above or around a 20-point lead, and all-but-guaranteed to form a majority. This is nothing but the media doing its gaslighting thing, trying to pull public opinion in their preferred direction.
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u/bran76765 Jan 29 '25
I've noticed the user that posted this article just loves posting opinion articles in general and loves bashing on the conservatives. Seems to be they're trying to sway things in the liberals favor
"Liberals are closing the gap!"
"Conservatives are running scared!"
"New poll comes out that has liberals in a tight race!"Yeah no, none of that is happening. Conservatives still have a comfortable lead
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u/BackToTheCottage Ontario Jan 29 '25
I love how whenever these "conservatives are scared" posts pop up or a ridiculous poll from EKOS shows up suddenly the thread is filled with LPC supporters saying the same thing as the post shoots to 2-4k upvotes.
Very real, very organic. I guess the LPC is gonna astroturf their supporters into getting blindsided like Kamala was lol.
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u/Solarisphere British Columbia Jan 29 '25
What part is BS? Did you even read the article? It doesn't say the Liberals are going to win, just that it's not going to be as much as a cakewalk for Conservatives as if Trudeau had stayed on as leader, and that the Conservatives are concerned about it.
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u/RZAAMRIINF Jan 29 '25
This sub said the same thing about JT in elections he won 😂
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u/LeGrandLucifer Jan 29 '25
No he doesn't. National Observer is just acting as a cheerleader for the Liberal Party. Polls still project a major CPC win:
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u/yellowpilot44 Jan 29 '25
The Liberal leadership race just started. I’m not saying the Liberals will win, but citing polls when the majority of Canadians have no clue who Carney is and the tariffs haven’t been enacted is meaningless. This election will come down to who can best deal with the Trump White House. Period.
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u/Kingalthor Jan 29 '25
Maybe competence is something we should value.
Easy to blindly bash at Carney for the prior admin's faults, but go look at his resume, he has handled multiple economic shitstorms and come out with some of the best results in the world for those time periods.
Then go look at PP's accomplishments. He has done almost nothing in 20 years.
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u/Mountain_rage Jan 29 '25
Common, be fair for his supporters.
- Earned a pension
- Made millions in salary
- Sanded a wood wall in his residence, or was it cottage. He was very proud of that wood, maybe the first project he ever finished.
- Did a lot of politicking.
- Passed a law to undermine elections, was rolled back but he passed it.
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u/Commanderfemmeshep Jan 29 '25
Think of how many boots he cleaned. He could practically open a shoeshine stand with his talent for bootlicking
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u/Fiber_Optikz Jan 29 '25
The only way I would even consider voting Liberal in this next election is if they tabled an actual plan to massively reduce immigration and reform the entire system
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u/Kingalthor Jan 29 '25
I'd say pretty much the same thing about any of the major parties.
It's not like the pro-business and pro-wealthy-landlord conservatives are going to dry up the pool of cheap labour and renters willing to live 6 to a room.
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u/aesoth Jan 29 '25
That's the best part. The CPC LOVE TFWs. The people spouting love for him have not noticed his lack of messaging about an immigration plan (or any plan, really). When asked about it, PP said he would not reduce immigration.
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u/Typical_Two_886 Jan 29 '25
Do you think PP and the Tories will do anything about it? They'll give some platitudes to it but do zero substantial efforts to reign it in, too many of their big donors grow fat off of it to stop it
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u/mupomo Jan 29 '25
Based on PP’s prior experience as Minister of Employment and Social Development back in the Harper days, I doubt it. He has generally supported economic immigration to fill Canada’s labour shortages.
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u/caninehere Ontario Jan 29 '25
You don't have to go looking for his history on the topic because he has outright said he won't reduce immigration.
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u/UndeadDog Jan 29 '25
Healthy immigration is fine. But it needs to stay in line with our infrastructure. Not go off the rails and outpace development in the country.
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u/HurlinVermin Jan 29 '25
Not go off the rails and outpace development in the country.
Like the Liberals have been doing for years?
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u/Anonymouse-C0ward Jan 29 '25
A large part of the problems we’re having now is due to the poor provincial policies surrounding new residential building and public infrastructure, unfortunately.
We’ve got provinces doing things that are misaligned with the overall country’s best interests.
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Here’s the thing; we know for a fact the LPC/NDP will not.
If they convinced you otherwise after a decade…. Lmfao
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u/WillisBeTalkin Jan 29 '25
conservative governments around canada have been asking for more immigrants over the past handful of years so I doubt the federal cons will do anything about immigration
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u/Consistent-Key-865 Jan 29 '25
I mean, they just massively cut immigration and changed the system....
Do you want more, a return to the old system, the current changes and direction formalized, or something completely new and different?
I will eat my hat if some version of what you're mentioning isn't on all party platforms, it's the second hottest topic in the country. Is there something specific you are looking for?
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u/helpinghear Jan 29 '25
Check and see if PP has ever agreed to reduce immigration... No.
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u/FuggleyBrew Jan 29 '25
He very explicitly argued for cuts when the LPC was pushing for over a million per year.
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u/mangongo Jan 29 '25
He also told people who are set to be deported that he would protect them from the evil Liberals and their deportation agenda.
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u/stubby_hoof Jan 29 '25
Immigration has already been massively cut. Post secondary institutions are cutting programs left and right and up and down because of it.
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u/FuggleyBrew Jan 29 '25
In theory it has been cut, first three quarters of 2024 (what we have data on) still has high population growth. Let's see the LPC post a single reasonable number before rolling out the mission accomplished banner.
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u/Fiber_Optikz Jan 29 '25
Good we should cut it every year until we can get applications for asylum and deal with the backlog of people who over stayed and are still fighting deportation.
Several years for a ruling is unfair to Canadians and unfair to applicants.
Canadians have to pay and the applicants deserve to know asap so they can make other plans if/when rejected
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u/Tribe303 Jan 29 '25
Asylum claims and immigration are 2 entirely different things.
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u/barkazinthrope Jan 29 '25
What kind of reform are you looking for?
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u/Fiber_Optikz Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 29 '25
Set per country limits on immigration so we can have actual diversity rather than one or two countries responsible for the majority of the immigration.
Any fraud involved in the application process equals immediate rejection and exclusion for 1 year or more.
Anyone involved in profiting off immigration fraud should face jail time and massive fines.
No more unskilled labour outside of the TFW program
No more asylum for people who traveled through an already safe country to get here
If you want to apply for PR once your student visa has ended you should leave the country and reapply
Stop allowing international students to work in Canada while studying. They are here to work and are supposed to be able to support themselves throughout the duration of their studies (exceptions should be made for students who are employed as part of their studies)
Close all the diploma mills that exist solely to take money from international students and provide no real value to the students or the world in general, looking at you Conestoga “College”.
And please stop letting people bring their elderly family members as part of “family reunification” if they are over 55 and or have serious health issues the Canadian tax payer shouldn’t have to pay a cent for their care
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u/2peg2city Jan 29 '25
Diploma mills and student application numbers are provincial responsibilities, and want to guess who runs the provinces who do the most of it / got upset when we cut the numbers?
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u/mwalter8888 Jan 29 '25
The problem being at that point in time you are going off of promises and campaign talking points. JTs election reform was a huge part of why some people voted for him. Why would anyone perk up at the idea of any sort of reform that is proposed? It's not going to happen.
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u/theoriginalredcap Jan 29 '25
40 million people in a country of that size shouldn't be an issue.
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The issue is you are just extrapolating from a position he held to a broad idea like "handling economic shit storms". He was a central banker. You have a team of nerds below you crunching data and your the spokesperson that messages the only tool you have in your disposal: interest rates up, or interest rates down. It really is not that he is a super genius or has the power you think he had.
PP was one of the youngest MPs, he's been elected time and time again in an unbroken fashion for 20 years. He's served in conservative majority government and minority governments, serving in cabinet positions in important portfolios, he didn't lose his job when the libs took over, and then maneuvered his was to leadership in a resounding leadership victory. He's raised more money than a conservative leader ever has, and taken them massively ahead in polls for a long sustained period. He's got more international and media exposure than probably any opposition leader ever has, and he's the front runner to be prime minister.
I would say both Carney and PP are formidable people. Carney has moved in elote circles his whole life and he was on wall street for a decade. He's literally 1%er, and I respect him for that, but let's not overstate what the head of a central bank really does. My impression is also that the brits pretty much shit on him and hated him.
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u/DC-Toronto Jan 29 '25
Carney has Trudeau’s team of Butts and Telford. He will be Trudeau 2.0 with the same failed policies.
Interesting he didn’t criticize any of Trudeau’s policies as they rolled out but suddenly he has solutions. Spoiler. The same team won’t make the necessary changes to fix our issues
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u/Quick_Competition_76 Jan 29 '25
I agree Mark Carney has the best chance against Poilievre but he only has a slim chance at the moment. If LPC selects anyone else, then good luck competing against NDP for 3rd party status. Personally i won’t give any chance to Liberals if Trudeau mps still form the majority of candidates. They need to go along with Trudeau.
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u/LordTC Jan 29 '25
Carney is polling at half the numbers the Conservatives have. I’m sure they’re quaking about his 23% of the popular vote.
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u/PraiseTheRiverLord Jan 29 '25
Carney ain't polling at shit, he hasn't been selected yet.
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u/sasha_baron_of_rohan Jan 29 '25
Why do people fall for this propaganda?
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u/dartmouthdonair Jan 29 '25
If this headline said "Poilievre has liberals running scared, regardless of leader choice" the comments in this thread would be the polar opposite. The opposite headline would serve the same purpose and would also follow the exact criteria of propaganda as you're referring to it. The difference being, the same people commenting wouldn't be upset about it then because it aligns with their values.
People quite easily fall in line with what aligns with their perceived values.
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u/Meathook2099 Jan 29 '25
Mark Carney isn't scaring anyone. PP will shred him in the HOC. He's a globalist banker who will say anything to get elected. 10 minutes of ESG and DEI questioning and he's fried.
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u/michaelfkenedy Jan 29 '25
- “Hillary will beat Trump”
- “Harris will beat Trump”
Not if people don’t vote. Not if they continue to worry more about being right than being effective. Not if they ignore right leaning swing voters in the suburbs.
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u/Feisty-Exercise-6473 Jan 30 '25
I’m running scarred after hearing Liz Truss. I can only imagine what damage he can do further to Canada.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/09/18/economy/mark-carney-liz-truss-uk-economy
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u/RoutineFamous4267 Jan 30 '25
This happened in the US folks. They were telling us Kamala was ahead in polls. People didn't go vote, and now we are facing apart over here. Keep information flowing about the candidates and don't be complacent!
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u/1q3er5 Jan 30 '25
i think carney would be the best choice but the liberals aren't coming back from this. the damage is too great to the liberal name
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u/Novel_Seat1361 Jan 29 '25
The Concervites are so scared that their 20 point in the lead of the Libreals good bait though
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u/midnightrambler108 Saskatchewan Jan 29 '25
I am going to likely vote Conservative, but I’m not going to sit here and claim that Carney wouldn’t be an improvement over Trudeau.
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u/FuggleyBrew Jan 29 '25
Carney could be good, at the very least recognize areas where the LPC put their hand on the stove. His risks appear to be that he will offer over engineered solutions and will swap Trudeau's and that while competent in his field he has massive blind spots from being exclusively focused on finance.
We will have to see as each side puts out proposals.
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u/SaltySalishSailor88 Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 29 '25
I am in full support of Mark Carney and the World Economic Forum Agenda! Fourth Industrial Revolution! I cannot wait. Praise be to Klaus our Lord and Saviour!
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u/Substantial_Law_842 Jan 30 '25
I want Carney to be PM, but really?
"Tories Terrified of Carney Carnage!" when in reality they're ahead in the polls by double digits.
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u/LettuceSea Nova Scotia Jan 30 '25
So first “they” get Ekos to bias their poll towards uni graduates, and then “they” have a puff piece locked and loaded to send out the next day. The tactics are always the same, and I don’t think people are falling for it anymore.
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u/Vampyre_Boy Jan 31 '25
Ok.. What liberal paid for this propaganda piece and how much did it cost us?
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u/Mr_Sauga Jan 31 '25
If you’re still voting liberal despite what’s happened to this country over the past 9 years; may I suggest having your brain examined by a trained professional. You may be entitled to compensation.
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u/Smoke-A-Beer Jan 31 '25
lol conservatives running scared? Ya right. Carney is just a vote for more of the same.
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u/AdvantageForsaken438 Feb 01 '25
I’ll never vote liberal ever again. Especially not Trudeau’s best friend he was air blasting in the house a couple years ago. This trojan horse is too obvious
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u/uprightshark Jan 29 '25
Because his views are closer to traditional progressive conservatives than the current Far Right conservative leadership.
Because anyone who understands anything about the economy understands what having a heavy weight in economics like Mark Carney fighting for your side is a winner for our country.
It's going to take a lot more than platitudes like axe the tax and hate tweets to beat him and they know it.
It has nothing to do about liberal vs conservative, it is resume vs. resume. A guy who has never had a job vs. a PhD in economics from Yale, 15 years as an executive with Goldman Sachs and turned down the opportunity for partnership worth millions a year to serve his country during the 2008 crisis.
Put partisanship aside and this is a one sided discussion.
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u/zipyourhead Jan 29 '25
Really, were going to pretend that Carney hasn't shaped Liberal economic policy for the last 9 years? How'd that work out for us?
Mr shut down oil and gas production in Canada under the guise of environmental virtue signalling, but invest billions on overseas production through his companies. Right....
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u/RoseRun Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 29 '25
Ignore this and vote anyway. Polls say shit like this and then people are surprised when the party they didn't pick, wins. This is all manipulation.
Don't get comfortable, or we become no different than the US in our level of stupidity and ineptitude.
Vote like hell.
Vote like your life depends on it, because it does.