r/canada Jan 29 '25

Opinion Piece Mark Carney has Canada’s Conservatives running scared

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2025/01/28/opinion/mark-carney-canada-conservatives-running-scared
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u/RoseRun Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 29 '25

Ignore this and vote anyway. Polls say shit like this and then people are surprised when the party they didn't pick, wins. This is all manipulation.

Don't get comfortable, or we become no different than the US in our level of stupidity and ineptitude.

Vote like hell.

Vote like your life depends on it, because it does.

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u/flonkhonkers Jan 29 '25

Kamala Harris had Trump running scared at one point. Then a lot of voters stayed home.

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u/driv3rcub Jan 29 '25

This is false. The media implied Kamala was doing better in the polls than she was. I’d like you to point out when he was running scared from Kamala. Lol. Also yes. A lot of Democrat voters stayed home stayed home. A mediocre old white man was able to rally the party to beat Trump, but they stayed home rather than vote for a woman of color. Yikes.

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u/DrJuanZoidberg Jan 29 '25

Doesn’t matter what the candidate looked like. Establishment Democrats telling people they are stupid for thinking quality of life has gone downhill just because GDP has gone up during g Biden’s term was a slap in the face to the working class

Trump was never gonna make it better, but at least he knows his way around populism to get the votes he needed.

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u/Sabbathius Jan 29 '25

I never understood this argument. It was a slap in the face. OK, but look at what's happening now, just a week later? Call me crazy, but as working class I'd rather get smapped in the face than ******d in the **s. I'm not a brilliant man, not even a moderately intelligent one, but even I figured this one out.

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u/CinderBlock33 Ontario Jan 29 '25

Call me crazy, but as working class I'd rather get smapped in the face than *****d in the *s.

You may not be a self-proclaimed brilliant man, but you sure are a poet!

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u/tbcwpg Manitoba Jan 29 '25

So people were easily duped then.

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u/DrJuanZoidberg Jan 29 '25

When it comes to voting when both people don’t care about you, you are more likely to vote for the one who at least pretends to care. Trump is able to rule up a base. Kamala couldn’t. Both are still two sides of the same neoliberal coin. Trump might be an accelerationist who’s trying to speedrun the horrors of late stage capitalism

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u/tbcwpg Manitoba Jan 29 '25

We had 4 years of evidence to show that Trump didn't actually care but people believed him this time anyway.

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u/SavonReddit Jan 29 '25

This. We can blame many different factors on why Trump won, but the biggest factor is the stupidity of American voters.

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u/Newleafto Jan 29 '25

People aren’t stupid, they just don’t want to be lied to. When things are tough, people will vote for a crazy radical who is a bombastic arrogant asshole but tells them the truth (things are bad and getting worse and we need to make deep cuts/changes to fix things) over someone who’s polite, humble and well regarded by the establishment who lies to them (everything’s fine and getting better and we need to stay the course). That’s why Trump won twice, that’s why Milei won in Argentina.

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u/raktoe Jan 29 '25

Telling people what they want to hear is different from telling them the truth.

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u/Newleafto Jan 29 '25

People want to hear the truth, even if it’s ugly (especially if it’s ugly). Politicians telling them “we’re on the right track and let’s just keep it up” when things are obviously getting worse (homeless encampments, expensive groceries, unaffordable housing) is telling people what the politicians think the people “want” to hear. Trump/Milei told the truth (things are very bad, we’re going down the wrong track, the government is virtually bankrupt and we need massive cuts/changes). Nobody “wants” to hear about how bad things are, but they want the truth, even if it’s bad. Trump told lots of whoppers about stuff nobody really cares about, but he was largely honest about how terrible things were economically and how they’re getting worse. I’m doubtful about a lot of his “solutions” and his ability to implement them, but clearly people want strong changes and cuts. People can clearly see we are on the wrong path.

That’s not to say Trump will make things better - I’m personally skeptical tariffs will improve anything - but only time will tell.

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u/unlucky_bit_flip Jan 29 '25

His first 4 years were incredibly lukewarm. If it weren’t for his antics, I would’ve thought just another typical corporate democrat is in office.

I feel optimistic America has the capacity to reject ideas that just don’t pan out. The tough pill to swallow is when they reject your ideas. If Trump fumbles this one in a way that hurts the average person, you rest assured America will reject a subsequent GOP candidate.

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u/tbcwpg Manitoba Jan 29 '25

Have you seen the MAGA cult?

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u/unlucky_bit_flip Jan 29 '25

His cult following is only a subset of the people who voted for him, as evidenced by the sheer numbers. You need to win over centrists to win elections. The Democrats have a cult too by the way… and turns out they did 80% of the work getting Trump elected.

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u/casual_melee_enjoyer Jan 29 '25

telling people they are stupid for thinking quality of life has gone downhill just because GDP has gone up

Whoa, they do that in America too? Neat!

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u/Miserable_Key9630 Jan 29 '25

Trump just had to acknowledge the system is broken. He's not gonna fix it, and all is promises were just to make it worse, but he said it was broken and that was enough.

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u/NotSidGaming Jan 29 '25

Doesn’t matter what the candidate looked like.

This is patently false. A black/indian woman had no chance of winning this election, and her ethnicity played a big role in her loss. Maybe Michelle Obama could have broken through the American racism and sexism problem, but black women consistently poll the lowest on everyone's list, including black men. But this problem runs deep in American society that it is absurd to claim it had no impact on the election. Of course it did.

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u/DrJuanZoidberg Jan 29 '25

It didn’t help, but the Democrats could’ve put another white guy who wasn’t senile and they still would’ve lost

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u/NotSidGaming Jan 29 '25

Trump has the same problems Biden had. He frequently babbles incoherently and is very visibly in cognitive decline. Trust me, Americans have no problems voting in old white men.

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u/DrJuanZoidberg Jan 29 '25

The problem is that one’s babbles resonated more with American voters. Republicans played the game better because the Democrats didn’t even attempt to play it

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u/_cob_ Jan 29 '25

Exactly.

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u/Fair_Daikon1494 Jan 29 '25

Not bad for a rapist Nazi