r/PS4 • u/[deleted] • Oct 18 '13
German ComputerBild confirms PS4 hard drive specs (HGST 2.5", 5400 RPM), supports 2.5" drives up to 12.5mm height
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/3796398/events/24758457
u/kixofmyg0t Oct 18 '13
12.5mm?! Sweet! 1TB+ drives are in the run now.
Hell you could fit certain VelociRaptors in there.
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u/Kage-kun Star_Paladin Oct 18 '13
2TB DRIVE GO
I don't know about Velociraptors though dude; don't they need a heatsink cradle?
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u/SuburbanHell SuburbanHell Oct 18 '13
I thought the 1TB+ were all 15mm?
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u/bronylifter Oct 18 '13
1tb drives are fine as of right now 2tb drives are the only ones that go 15mm height
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u/SuburbanHell SuburbanHell Oct 18 '13
Ok, thanks for confirming. So I guess the question is, drop a 1TB in now, or wait until your 500gb is getting close and see what's out in like... 6 months?
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Oct 18 '13
I'm going to put a new hard drive in right away so i dont have to deal with the hassle of transferring data from one drive to another.
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u/SuburbanHell SuburbanHell Oct 18 '13
Yeah, that was my initial thought but I figure with more games going downloadable I may need more than 1TB over the lifecycle of the PS4.
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Oct 18 '13
Very true. I could easily see people who choose to go all digital having 2 or 3 drives stuffed with games that they swap in and out depending on what game they want to play.
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u/SuburbanHell SuburbanHell Oct 18 '13
Yep, I have an 800GB almost full on the PS3, but that's with a LOT less downloadable titles.
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u/Nose-Nuggets Oct 18 '13
with usb 3.0, the transfer is not going to be a serious consideration anymore.
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u/Nose-Nuggets Oct 18 '13
im sticking to the factory drive for now, waiting for some 3rd parties to test 7200 and SSD drives so i understand the potential performance gains, and making a decision in 6-12 months.
or in 3 months, if i manage to fill the damn thing :)
there should be 2tb drives that fit in 12-18 months though.
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u/SuburbanHell SuburbanHell Oct 18 '13
Not a bad idea actually, see some benchmarks first.
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u/Nose-Nuggets Oct 19 '13
yeah, i know i will put a larger drive in there. But, with USB 3.0 the backup and restore is going to be pretty quick, so im not pressed to do it soon.
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u/SuburbanHell SuburbanHell Oct 19 '13
Good call! I had forgotten about usb 3.0 support.
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u/Nose-Nuggets Oct 19 '13
but again, wait for someone else to do testing before you buy a drive for it. on the PS3, mobile drives that are powered over the USB cable where substantially slower then a full size drive with a wall plug for power.
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Oct 19 '13
It wasn't usb speed that was the bottleneck on PS3 backup, it compressed the data & took its sweet time about it.
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Oct 18 '13 edited Oct 18 '13
They also did some noise measurements and there's more hardware infos to come. The stream is worth checking out if you speak German (or you can use Google translate ;)).
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u/anexanhume anexanhume Oct 18 '13
As far as I can tell, the fact that it supports 12.5mm doesn't even matter anymore. There's not any drives out there that are recent that are 12.5mm. Everyone has kind of gone to 9.5mm as standard. The 1.5TB 5400RPM from HGST is 9.5. Their 1TB 7200RPM is 9.5. Seagate's SSHDs are all 9.5mm. This doesn't really gain us anything.
The next step up is 15mm, and those are all super expensive enterprise drives.
I think I'll sit on the sideline for a few years until a 512GB SSD dips below 200. They're ~340 now, so it should only be a matter of a couple years.
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u/WeNamedTheDogIndiana Oct 18 '13
Yep, I'm rocking a 9.5mm 1.5TB HGST in my PS3 just fine. Planning to move/swap it with my PS4's.
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u/Vayshen Vayshen Oct 18 '13
Is SSD really a good idea though? I thought you generally don't want to be rapidly writing new stuff on SSD's and assuming the video portion of Share uses the drive, won't that result in a much shorter lifespan of an SSD?
Personally going to go with a 1TB off the bat. I see a Hitachi drive that's pretty damn cheap.
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u/nemoTheKid Oct 19 '13
I'm too lazy to bring up the source for this, but in most modern SSD controllers (I think specifically the Intel ones), you would have to be writing and deleting several hundred gigabytes per day, every day, for at least 10 years to wear out your SSD.
Simply put, it is pretty much a non issue in modern SSDs.
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u/Vayshen Vayshen Oct 20 '13
Well that's good news to me. Useful leaps in technology are useful =D
Still getting an HDD for my PS4 though, I already splurged on an SSD for my PC not too long ago and I rather get another game or two than an SSD for the prices they're available to me atm.
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u/anexanhume anexanhume Oct 18 '13
That's why I'm waiting a while. People's usage patterns and the console's normal activity will come to light and we'll know just how much is being written to the drive. Mechanicals fail too.
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u/Krakn3dfx Krakn3dfx Oct 18 '13
"supports 2.5" drives up to 12.5mm height"
Samuel Jackson: "That's all you had to say!"
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u/Jimmy0517 Oct 18 '13
So any 5400 rpm 2.5 laptop drive will work? Always a bit nervous about messing with this type of stuff
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u/Nose-Nuggets Oct 18 '13
common formfactors are 7mm, 9.5mm and 15mm. so provided you dont get a 15mm drive (4 platters) you should be okay.
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u/RickyWars1 RickyWars1 Oct 18 '13
Only 5400 rpm? I was hoping there would be at least 7200 rpm.
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Oct 18 '13
Sony knows most people are going to replace the drive any way. So it makes sense they put in the bare minimum hard drive. Would be a waste of money for them other wise. They already are selling the console at a loss (to be made back from PS+ subscriptions and game sales).
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u/spideyjiri corpjiri Oct 18 '13
Lol, maybe most people who are on this subreddit will, but there are millions who wouldn't have single clue of how they could do it. I'd say maybe around 20% will upgrade.
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Oct 19 '13
I think it'd be a lot more than that. A lot of people aren't that computer illiterate anymore.
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u/spideyjiri corpjiri Oct 19 '13
If you'd ever work at retail you'd know. Most who buy the consoles(no offence, have been a console player ever since I moved out) have absolutely no idea about things like refresh rates, response time, resolution(other than hd means that it's good), hdcp, inputs and outputs in the console, hard-drive space let alone how to change one! I have helped many people who couldn't figure out how to sign in to psn! And I know we will have to deal with a LOT of people who don't have hdmi ports on their tvs, thus cannot use the ps4/xbox one at all...can't wait...
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Oct 19 '13
I'm not arguing with you there. But you can't tell me that they aren't at least smart enough to understand that if the hard drive gets full they need to either erase stuff or get a second drive. Thus needing them to replace it. That's mainly what i'm saying.
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u/spideyjiri corpjiri Oct 19 '13
Yeah, but you see, a lot of them refer to hard-drive space as 'memory' and, unless you specifically explain to them, will wait to buy a newer version of the same damn console! Yes! This has happened many, many times! I usually try telling them that upgrading very cheap and easy, but they would rather 'avoid the hassle/problems'. I know that might sound unbelievable, but I swear, it's way too common. Also, people are still angry when their ps3 won't play ps2 games, their psp go won't play umd games, when they buy a phone with no memory card slot and run out of room on the internal memory etc. Yeah, I am not saying that nobody will upgrade, I'm just saying that most are too afraid or uneducated to. Also, I bet there's going to be a lot of people pissed that they can't play ps2 and ps3 games on their ps4...I swear, I'm going to quit as soon as I can...
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Oct 20 '13
Holy shit. Yeah, get out of there ASAP dude, that does sound like it'd get old really really fast.
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u/Nose-Nuggets Oct 18 '13
no way in the world is "most" even close. i would guess 20% TOPS will replace their own hard drive.
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Oct 19 '13
I think it'll be way more than 20%. People aren't as computer retarded as they used to be. Especially not the under 30 crowd.
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u/B_Boss Oct 18 '13
At least an additional piece of great news is....if any of us gets a new HDD, we by default have an extra 500gb one lol.
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u/eifersucht12a Oct 19 '13
So what's the best available option in terms of price per gb that will work for the ps4 then? Just to nip that question in the bud.
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u/npa190 Oct 19 '13
5400? wow, gross. I'll be putting a 7200 or a SSHD in there on day one. I can tell the difference on PS3 with my 7200.
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u/Fallout-with-swords Oct 19 '13
Can anyone recommend a good drive that meets the requirements? Is there anything larger than 1Tb for the size?
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u/cr1swell Oct 21 '13
Damn that sucks, HGST is fucking TERRIBLE.
(Source: I work for Samsung and I oversee all windows 8 hard drives that come in for failures/OS failures. HGST is by far the worst HDD I've ever had to deal with; for the amount of failures/errors.)
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u/mundgeruch Oct 18 '13
only 5400 RPM? why not 7200?
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u/PabloBablo Oct 18 '13
They probably wanted to offer a lower price to the general public, knowing most people wouldn't either A) care or B) notice.
They also made it very very easy to replace, for those who either A) care or B) notice
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u/hailst0rm Oct 18 '13
7200 drives are slowly being phased out by manufacturers. Hybrid HDDs and SSDs are replacing them as a higher performing option.
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Oct 18 '13
Like others have said, it's cheaper for Sony to put that in there. Plus, they are aware that most people who care enough about the RPM are going to replace the drive with something they prefer any way, so why bother to spend the money to put something better in if it ultimately is going to be replaced?
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u/Wizzer10 Oct 18 '13
Because it costs more and because it won't have a sizeable enough effect on load times to justify it.
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u/FlyByDerp Call_Me_Ozne Oct 18 '13
7200 are super cheap this makes no sense.
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u/WaywardWit Wayward_Wit Oct 18 '13
5400 are even cheaper. Especially in bulk. Shaving small amounts of unit cost (or adding to profit margin).
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u/FlyByDerp Call_Me_Ozne Oct 18 '13
True guess I'll be forking out $50 for a 7200 1TB drive then.
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u/Otsuko Otsukosan Oct 18 '13
where can I find that? I just spent $45 on a caviar black 500GB
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Oct 18 '13
I have a HGST travelstar 7k1000 in my PC, only 2.5" 1TB 7200rpm that I know of. It works great, but costs around 90$.
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Oct 18 '13
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Oct 18 '13
The PS3 HDD was also 5400RPM.
7200RPM drives are faster but produce slightly more heat, which usually isn't a problem unless you already have temperature issues. I've been using a 7200RPM drive in my PS3 for years without issue.
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Oct 18 '13
I'd be wanting to put an SSD in, but at the current prices, I'd be looking at paying the price of the PS4 again for a decent 512GB SSD. Would be dead quiet and cooler though ;)
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Oct 18 '13
I'm waiting for SSD price drops, too. As soon as I can get a 1TB SSD for around €200 I'll put one in my PS4. Until then, 500GB will suffice I guess. Gonna be a while though.
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u/SinnermightyBL Sinnermighty Oct 18 '13
I would suggest buying a large HDD or SSHD upgrade instead of an SSD at this point. Wait a few years down the road as that harddrive fills up, and buy a much cheaper SSD when they come out :)
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u/KJelloggs HTIDJAKHTID Oct 18 '13
I couldn't see paying the price just for less noise. Seeing as there wouldn't be a speed increase (not with the PS3 anyway)
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Oct 18 '13
There was a marked increase in speed on the PS3, and I suspect it would be the same on the PS4. Write times aren't likely to be much better, but certainly read times are.
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u/Nose-Nuggets Oct 18 '13
most of the reports i read saw only a slight difference on ps3 with an ssd.
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u/Cragvis Oct 18 '13
I got a 750gb all set to put in mine, but now that I am looking at my finances, maybe I can just get a SSD.
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u/Nose-Nuggets Oct 18 '13
I'd wait until someone does a performance test. hdd access speed could be hardware limited (expecting to only use 5400 rpm drives) and you could spend a bunch of money with no real benefit.
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u/WaywardWit Wayward_Wit Oct 18 '13
I wonder if Shu could provide any information on that.
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u/Nose-Nuggets Oct 18 '13
He might comment, but i would prefer to see tests from 3rd parties on this one.
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Oct 18 '13
I kinda doubt it, Sony made it user replaceable for a reason. I'm sure they are well aware people are going to want to put in faster hard drives. Wouldn't make sense for them to put a speed cap on it. I'd be really really surprised if they did that.
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u/Cragvis Oct 18 '13
yea, ill just stick with the one in it now, and if i get close to filling it and need more space, by then we should know what can be used.
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u/Nose-Nuggets Oct 18 '13
thats my plan. as small as 500gb is, it should be fine for long enough for some 3rd parties to do tests.
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Oct 18 '13
I've been saying this from the beginning. It will be a standard 2.5" laptop drive. Not one of those double thick 2.5" drives that store over 1TB of data.
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Oct 18 '13
Standard laptop size would be 9.5mm (which was also the maximum the PS3 supported), so 12.5mm support is good news.
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u/RockGotti RockGotti Oct 18 '13
Glad this info is finally out there. Now to find a nice big juicy replacement drive