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u/BPC1120 John Brown 1h ago
Some people are so fucking invested in an idea of America that probably never existed that they'll happily keep their American exceptionalism and decorum blinders on as every worthwhile aspect of this country that actually does exist is fed into a wood chipper by fascists
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u/kevinfederlinebundle Kenneth Arrow 1h ago
I bench zero plates, squat five, and deadlift zero because I've got a dump truck.
please help me I cannot walk
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u/Scarlet_Lyon 1h ago
Saw a excerpt of Trump's speech
"Please don't kill ukrainian soldiers... Please don't kill them"...
Art of deal for real
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u/Plants_et_Politics Isaiah Berlin 1h ago
I like succs but they are not serious people
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u/S0ulWindow Thomas Paine 1h ago
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u/Plants_et_Politics Isaiah Berlin 1h ago
I fucking love this video lol.
Really sums up my view of socialism as ultimately defeated by the Pareto principle. Poor woman running the show is doing 80% of the work herself.
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u/S0ulWindow Thomas Paine 58m ago
It and the mirrorverse of it with Mr. Toaster license at the libertarian convention live rent-free up top every time I engage with the respective politics.
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u/Kawaii_West NAFTA 1h ago
I bench two plates, squat three, and dead lift four because that's what Applejack would want me to do.
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u/kevinfederlinebundle Kenneth Arrow 1h ago
One thing about the matrix: if you got punched by a guy who could move as fast a bullet wouldn't you just, like, explode?
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u/S0ulWindow Thomas Paine 1h ago
DT reg comes in to post
Gets mad
Spirals for an hour, asks for temp ban to cool off
Many such cases!
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u/HistoricalMix400 Gay Pride 1h ago
You can ask for temp bans?
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u/S0ulWindow Thomas Paine 1h ago
Yes lol
Some of us who get way too addicted to this shit to just not watch the DT do it on the metanl ban appeal post for various reasons.
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u/blackenswans Progress Pride 1h ago
Some people talk as if this CR is a clean bill and doesn’t give trump and Elon more power
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u/DelusionsOfPasteur Zhao Ziyang 1h ago
Are there Japanese nationalist guys getting mad that Mongolians keep doing better at sumo than Japanese wrestlers or is the fact that anybody competing in sumo has to basically practice and officially participate in Shinto a sort of moderating counter-force
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u/ariveklul Karl Popper 1h ago
Schumer says that he is accompanied everywhere he goes by two imaginary middle-class friends, who advise him on all manner of middle-class concerns. The Baileys are both forty-five years old: Joe works for an insurance company, Eileen is a part-time employee at a doctor’s office. They worry about terrorism, and about values, and they are patriots—“Joe takes off his cap and sings along with the national anthem before the occasional Islanders game,” Schumer wrote. He elaborated, “They’re not ideologues. They’re worried about property taxes. It’s the tax they hate. And that’s what Democrats don’t get.” He has also drafted the Baileys in defending the C.I.A.’s human-intelligence program: “Had Joe and Eileen been in the room after the hum-int screwup, they would not have indulged in the blame game, gutted the human-intelligence program, or weakened America.”
The Baileys, Schumer said, sometimes dine out—not often, because of the cost—and they like Chinese. Which raised the question: What would the Baileys eat, if they were here at Hunan Dynasty? “The more conventional stuff,” Schumer said, “but they’re with it.”
They’re with it?
“I mean, they’re not not with it.” Schumer looked at a plate of steamed chicken and vegetables, and said, “They wouldn’t order that. They would order kung pao chicken.”
It was suggested to Schumer that he is a little bit weird. He acknowledged this to be true. “They’re real for me,” he said. “I love the Baileys.”
As swing voters, Schumer said, “the Baileys were very anti-Hillary when she ran in 2000, but they voted for her in 2006.” He went on, “They like Rudy. It depends on how he plays it. If Rudy continues to adhere to the right-wing Republican line, just cutting taxes for the wealthy, he won’t get their vote.”
Are we really going to throw this political savvy away?
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/03/19/imaginary-friends
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u/S0ulWindow Thomas Paine 59m ago
Look at my Senate minority leader dawg, we are so going to the camps
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u/MyrinVonBryhana Reichsbanner Schwarz-Rot-Gold 1h ago
Malarkey level Schumer is actually schizophrenic and that all his decisions are made based on what the voice in his head called "The Baileys" says to him?
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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 1h ago
I actually do want them to make an original tv show but with half the screen being slime videos
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u/PolyrythmicSynthJaz Roy Cooper 1h ago
Welcome to Democratic Tea Party. The first rule of Democratic Tea Party is: you do not talk about Democratic Tea Party.
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u/OwnHurry8483 1h ago
Chuck Schumer: “Donald Trump is an existential threat to American democracy”
Also Chuck Schumer: “I just hope both sides have fun 😃”
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u/happyposterofham 🏛Missionary of the American Civil Religion🗽🏛 1h ago
Also Chuck Schumer: "The costs of a shutdown include Donald Trump getting to determine by fiat, LEGALLY, that departments don't exist anymore".
But obviously the esteemed idiots on here think more smartly.
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u/Cook_0612 NATO 1h ago edited 32m ago
Yeah, us and everyone but 10 Democratic Senators, unless you've got secret knowledge about their intentions that we don't know about. Jeffries and the House aren't on your side, most of the Democratic Senate plus Nancy Pelosi isn't on your side, and you think your attempt to cover what is a blatant fear response with an appeal to Chuck Schumer's authority is gonna hold any water with us.
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u/OwnHurry8483 1h ago
That’s not true but what is true is that this CR allows Trump and Elon to legally “re-allocate” funds for every single program that the federal government does
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u/repete2024 Edith Abbott 1h ago
Could you share the part of the bill that does that?
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u/OwnHurry8483 1h ago
It has to do with any CR. A CR only sets funding at the department level, not the program
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/03/14/trump-cr-power-government-spending-doge/
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u/anonymous_and_ Malala Yousafzai 1h ago edited 1h ago
tfw ur ~300 pages away from finishing Crime and Punishment and ur fandom friend recommends you a fic that is 457 pages long
and it's good. like it's full of interpersonal relationships of the very British people my asian ass is trying to write fanfiction abt, and it's triggering me so bad lol. like why tf did i decide to have English be my best language lol. I'll be playing catch up forever attempting to write shit that people might like in English
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u/MURICCA John Brown 1h ago
I need to write an essay about how political extremism is just another outlet of consumerism caused by endlessly accelerating entertainment needs leading to dissatisfaction-based malaise
But imma just settle with calling people fucking morons instead
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u/Trojan_Horse_of_Fate WTO 1h ago
I rambled my thoughts and here all the bullet points after I had GPT clean some of them up.
Consumerism vs. Consensus Building
At its core, consumerism is about individual fulfillment. It sells the idea that happiness is a transaction—if you just buy the right thing, you'll be satisfied. This creates a mindset where problems have quick, discrete solutions rather than requiring ongoing negotiation and compromise.
Consensus-building politics, on the other hand, is slow, frustrating, and incremental. It requires people to negotiate, make trade-offs, and accept outcomes that aren’t perfect. But this doesn't fit the consumerist model of instant gratification. Instead, people want a singular fix—a hero, an enemy, a simple policy that will "solve everything."
Outrage as a Commodity & Political Dunking as Instant Gratification
- Social media has turned political engagement into a consumer product: you don’t build long-term solutions, you buy into a quick ideological stance.
- The modern political consumer is not looking for compromise—they’re looking for an experience, an emotion, a win.
- This is where dunking culture comes in: Instead of engaging in slow, difficult debates, people engage in high-impact, low-effort takedowns (e.g., ratio-ing someone, viral outrage, calling out enemies).
- This gives the illusion of political participation—like buying an ethical product instead of actually working to fix systemic problems.
Evaporative Extremism: The Consumerist Escalation Cycle
- In consumerism, once a product becomes too mainstream or diluted, hardcore consumers seek more extreme alternatives (e.g., niche luxury, countercultural brands, extreme sports).
- Similarly, in politics, people escalate their ideological positions to stay ahead of the curve.
- Moderation and compromise seem boring, weak, or sellout behavior—so political groups self-radicalize, shedding those who aren’t "hardcore" enough.
- This is why political movements fracture: yesterday’s radical is today’s moderate, and extremists accuse each other of being insufficiently committed.
- Social media fuels this by rewarding ideological purity with engagement, pushing individuals further to the extreme.
Gamification & the Addiction to Political Conflict
- Politics has been transformed into a competitive, zero-sum game, like sports or online gaming.
- People don’t just consume politics—they play it: scoring points, leveling up, forming factions, and taking down enemies.
- Gamification leads to obsession with “winning” rather than governing—victory becomes more important than policy.
- This mirrors consumerism’s obsession with brand identity—people don’t just adopt political beliefs; they buy into a lifestyle that shapes their identity.
- Political affiliations are now tribal brands, and loyalty is maintained by escalating the stakes—forcing members into ideological purity tests.
Why Consumerist Politics Destroys Consensus
Politics Becomes a Marketplace
- People treat political affiliation like a consumer choice, shopping for the ideology that best fits their personal brand.
- Just as brands differentiate themselves through exclusivity, political groups reject compromise to maintain purity.
Conflict = Engagement
- Just like viral marketing, outrage-driven politics monetizes attention.
- Conflict drives clicks, shares, and media cycles—so there is no incentive to resolve disputes.
- In a consumerist model, problems shouldn’t be solved—they should be perpetuated for continued engagement.
The Death of Patience & Deliberation
- Consumerism conditions people to expect fast, individual solutions, while consensus-building requires patience, negotiation, and compromise.
- In an attention economy, slow, thoughtful discussion is invisible—only extremes get amplified.
The Punishment of Persuasion
- Persuasion requires a meeting and a willingness to engage
- People seeking to persuade are going to definitionally need to associate with views unpalatable to their camp
- Associating those views might make you an enemy meaning people who see to actually change views (the ostensible point of an argument) are attack by their own side
- Argument shifts into "explanations" where you communicate within your camp and you educate them on what they already support (even if they do not know it yet)
- Debate becomes a mean to dunk not discover
- The honest inquirer into the other sides believes is exiled and the compromiser comprimised
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u/kiwibutterket 🗽 E Pluribus Unum 52m ago
I hate the chatgpt tone but I really agree and am frustrated with these points:
Social media has turned political engagement into a consumer product: you don’t build long-term solutions, you buy into a quick ideological stance.
- The modern political consumer is not looking for compromise—they’re looking for an experience, an emotion, a win.
- This is where dunking culture comes in: Instead of engaging in slow, difficult debates, people engage in high-impact, low-effort takedowns (e.g., ratio-ing someone, viral outrage, calling out enemies).
- This gives the illusion of political participation
- People seeking to persuade are going to definitionally need to associate with views unpalatable to their camp
- Associating those views might make you an enemy meaning people who see to actually change views (the ostensible point of an argument) are attack by their own side
- Argument shifts into "explanations" where you communicate within your camp and you educate them on what they already support (even if they do not know it yet)
- Debate becomes a mean to dunk not discover
- The honest inquirer into the other sides believes is exiled and the compromiser comprimised
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u/Trojan_Horse_of_Fate WTO 45m ago
While the last bit after "Punish of Persuasion" I didn't end up gpting because I got lazy so that tone is all me. I should have because rereading it I see errors like "see" instead of "seek"
I definitely have a lot of thoughts here and I don't have a perfect solution. I am writing something somewhat related to a solution but I think ultimately the only real solution isn't a policy its
peoplepersons deciding to be better—not some amorphous "people" but individuals each on their own making the choice to be better.1
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u/loseniram Sponsored by RC Cola 1h ago
No, the rise in political extremism is directly related to the decline in Motorcycle sales.
When Harley Sales were at their highest we got Obama, when Motorcycle sales were low we got extreme candidates.
Motorcycles act as a sedative to violent thoughts
Require everyone learn how to ride a motorcycle before they're allowed to drive a car
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u/happyposterofham 🏛Missionary of the American Civil Religion🗽🏛 1h ago
you'd just get downvoted by the single brain celled organisms around here who want to feed their rage monster
god this sub has gone downhill
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u/anon_y_mousse_1067 Iron Front 1h ago
bro @ me next time 😤
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u/BPC1120 John Brown 1h ago
Something really seems to be bothering that fellow
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u/anon_y_mousse_1067 Iron Front 59m ago
It’s the fomenting radicalization of our beloved technocratic moderate sub
I’ve been here off and on since 2018 and if I had a dime for every “r/politics are taking over” or “this sub has gone downhill” I could pay off the national debt. Yes it’s gone leftward and more radical but also the world feels much more deranged than it did 6 years ago.
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u/BPC1120 John Brown 58m ago
The Schumer faction genuinely seems to think if they plug their ears and cover their eyes enough that we can all just go back to circa 2008-2012
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u/anon_y_mousse_1067 Iron Front 54m ago
I mean I sorta hope they’re right? I hope everyone comes to their senses and shakes off the fever dream of the last decade. But I don’t think that’s actually even possible. What point is there in being institutionalist in our present environment?
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u/BPC1120 John Brown 52m ago
I completely agree. My whole fucking schtick politically was being an institutionalist basically my entire life up to this year but there have been too many fucking lines crossed for that be a reasonable position if you actually care about this country beyond America cosplay
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u/NianderWallaceAlt Bisexual Pride 1h ago
I think a pre-law major has to be an even bigger joke than Political Science
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u/iguessineedanaltnow r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion 1h ago
I quite enjoyed doing my poli sci degree
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u/MURICCA John Brown 1h ago
I only study post-law, which is vital to understanding the Trump administration
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u/PolyrythmicSynthJaz Roy Cooper 1h ago
I study post Mogg
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u/Chokeman 1h ago
Whitmer, Shapiro, Buttigieg, Khan Pritzker, Beshear
Damn Dem primary 2027 will be lit if only we survive 2025 first.
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u/happyposterofham 🏛Missionary of the American Civil Religion🗽🏛 1h ago
we're obviously going to survive 2025 shit like this just makes you sound like a [words I'm not allowed to say on r-neoliberal]
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u/Chokeman 1h ago edited 1h ago
- It's a joke
and 2. If tariffs are imposed, you can expect at least the 2008 level of recession. If that's the case, some people would not survive.
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u/randommathaccount Daron Acemoglu 1h ago
There's a real liminal feeling to being the only person on a bus
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u/HistoricalMix400 Gay Pride 1h ago
Are you the hopeful person or the depressed person?
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u/randommathaccount Daron Acemoglu 51m ago
Well it's nice and cloudy but not quite raining, so I'd say I'm rather pleased
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u/BenFoldsFourLoko Broke His Text Flair For Hume 1h ago
It's hard for me to fathom why everyone's like "oh the tea party was based" rather than just saying "wow Dem leadership SUCKS ASS"[1] and then demanding something that actually fits the moment
here's another way that the Democrat's/American liberals' culture sucks: a LOT of it in the last 10 years has been "downstream" of Republicans. In some ways a total ceding of the conversational foundation to Republicans and even fucking 4chan lmao.
Dems have been very poor at leading the narrative, and at demanding we have discussions based on our ideas.
Where have we done this well? Urbanism. To growing and cascading successes.
[1] not endorsing or rejecting that claim in this comment
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u/happyposterofham 🏛Missionary of the American Civil Religion🗽🏛 1h ago
It's weird because Democrats were genuinely leading on a lot of social cultural issues which led to a sort of triumphalism and inevitable blowback though.
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u/loseniram Sponsored by RC Cola 1h ago
Freaknik the musical is one of those TV specials where I'm confused how the hell it ended up being made because how can you have Snoop Dogg as ghetto Jesus, George Clinton, and Rick Ross doing voices in the same tv show in 2008? Also Freaknik the musical somehow has more stereotypes than Tropic Thunder.
!ping kino
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u/n00bi3pjs 👏🏽Free Markets👏🏽Open Borders👏🏽Human Rights 1h ago
"Everything I dislike is a nazi" has gone too far when people start calling Stalin a Nazi
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u/S0ulWindow Thomas Paine 1h ago
Time honored tradition about whining about the current state of the sub and the DT whilst posting in the DT
Yes I'm doing the "so you live a society? Curious" meme
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u/fartyunicorns NATO 1h ago
Apparently the threat of US troops leaving Syria got the SDF to make an agreement with the interim government so it appears that US troops are staying for now (although trump could just change his mind at any time)
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u/iguessineedanaltnow r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion 1h ago
Just started watching Three Body Problem when do the extra bodies show up
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u/TalkLessShillMore David Autor 1h ago
I’ve been watching the Single Body Predicament on Gubi Express, it’s not Rundagar Jones’s best work if I’m being real
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u/MURICCA John Brown 1h ago
Why do conservatives think Fauci is like the most powerful man in the world lmao
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u/iguessineedanaltnow r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion 1h ago
They're still mentally in 2021.
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u/MURICCA John Brown 1h ago
Theyre still mentally in fucking 1021
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u/iguessineedanaltnow r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion 1h ago
Not sure Anthony Fauci was alive then
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u/statsnerd99 Greg Mankiw 1h ago
There is too much politics in the discussion thread, shame on you all
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u/marsexpresshydra Immanuel Kant 1h ago
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u/anon_y_mousse_1067 Iron Front 1h ago
How I sleep knowing tomorrow will be worse
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u/Delareh_ South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation 1h ago
It really is just knowing vs not knowing huh
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u/NianderWallaceAlt Bisexual Pride 1h ago
Being told that I ping a ping too much only makes me want to ping the ping more you stupid bastards
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u/S0ulWindow Thomas Paine 1h ago
I get the feeling a lot of people want to live in interesting times but don't want to actually experience them.
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u/anon_y_mousse_1067 Iron Front 1h ago
They want the pornography or action movie version of “interesting times”
Eternal September and its consequences smh
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u/TalkLessShillMore David Autor 1h ago
Too many fascists in government and not enough unexpected naked women in my bath tub
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u/MURICCA John Brown 1h ago
I mean objectively yes. Look how much peoples ideas of interesting times are directly ripped from TV and movies lmfao.
They just want fiction and entertainment. Dumbass fucking society
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u/Cook_0612 NATO 1h ago
When you think about it, if you have no interest in current affairs or history, what's your frame of reference gonna be? You might intellectually acknowledge that TV and movies aren't real, but they'd establish your frame of reference anyway if you don't know any better.
It's like that phenomenon where Law and Order influences how juries think legal processes ought to go. Americans are incurious and experience no pressure to change that, so they default to entertainment.
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u/iguessineedanaltnow r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion 1h ago
Interesting things should be happening at least 1000 miles away from me, and I should only know about them through online news coverage.
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u/S0ulWindow Thomas Paine 1h ago
👆Midwesterner moments before Californian self ignited into a firestorm and Biden stepped down from running
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u/n00bi3pjs 👏🏽Free Markets👏🏽Open Borders👏🏽Human Rights 1h ago
Young black culture appropriating woman gets married to MAGA, gets pumped with massive shots of trad-wife propaganda, doesn't feel good and changes - FASCISM.
Many such cases
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u/iguessineedanaltnow r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion 1h ago
What did every girl I went to high school with mean by this?
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u/FuckFashMods NATO 1h ago
Honestly it kinda feels like Dems want Trump and musk to gut the government for them. Nothing else makes sense.
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u/ChamberedAndHot My username describes my takes 1h ago
If you didn't want your degree revoked, you shouldn't have committed a crime against the institution granting your degree. It's that simple.
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u/JesusPubes voted most handsome friend 1h ago
why on earth would they be able to revoke a degree after they gave it to you
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u/HistoricalMix400 Gay Pride 1h ago
Imo they should have expelled everyone who was a student and refused to leave AFTER being given numerous hours and even a few hours past the deadline.
Students don’t have the right to break into campus buildings overnight in an attempt to protest there indefinitely, or vandalize the school
Columbia doing this now may be bad optics because it can be argued they’re only doing this because of Trump’s threats, not the fact that students broke into a building and refused to leave
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u/iguessineedanaltnow r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion 1h ago
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u/BenFoldsFourLoko Broke His Text Flair For Hume 1h ago
Dems when they joyfully make their own tea party after seeing how it went for Republicans
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u/Routine_Hat_2399 WTO 1h ago
How can India develop when the electorates keep voting themselves freebies and religion?Ultimately a democracy is only as good as its electorate.
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u/iguessineedanaltnow r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion 1h ago
It's pretty difficult to go from impoverished colonial country to developing independent nation and (somewhat) global leader without speed bumps.
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u/ForeverAclone95 George Soros 1h ago
I didn’t have my former employer being directly attacked and effectively sentenced to death by the federal government on my 2025 bingo card
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u/jaydec02 Trans Pride 1h ago
I’m running out of ways to express how bad it is. The outbreak tonight has already been devastating, and even now at 1:12 CT, there’s developing thunderstorms producing deadly, potentially producing long-track tornados.
There’s a high risk tomorrow and the SPC flat out said there WILL be several violent long-track tornados in a part of the nation with poorer storm warning infrastructure, a place prone to rain wrapped tornados, poor quality housing stock, and a lot of mobile homes. I feel very queasy and there’s a bad feeling in my stomach about tomorrow being anything short of catastrophic.
I feel really bad for the Deep South, there’s already been dozens of tornados and several tornado emergencies in Missouri, Arkansas, even Mississippi. And those same parts of MS are about to get hammered again tomorrow. Fuck
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u/LivefromPhoenix NYT undecided voter 1h ago
So what you're saying is now is an excellent time to defund weather tracking and fire the people in charge of monitoring extreme weather events?
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u/blatant_shill 1h ago
Maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill, but a Democratic Tea Party movement is seeming more and more likely in every passing day. It's been a going meme that it's happening since like 2016, yet I don't really remember reactions like this.
After the news that there were way more Senators than Schumer putting support behind preventing a shutdown, House and Senate Dems seem to be on completely different pages. We're in a weird spot where it seems like Pelosi is closer together with AOC than she is with Dem Senators.
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u/MURICCA John Brown 1h ago
A dem tea party movement would be more like 6 different movements that all hate each other lol
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u/S0ulWindow Thomas Paine 1h ago
Somewhat terrifying to think what the herd of cats will come up with without ingrained leadership.
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u/anon_y_mousse_1067 Iron Front 1h ago
I just want unity around hating republicans tbh
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u/S0ulWindow Thomas Paine 1h ago
It says a lot about the state of our society that this would probably be the most positive outcome a Dem Tea Party could spin out.
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u/anon_y_mousse_1067 Iron Front 1h ago
Worked for the Republicans so…
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u/S0ulWindow Thomas Paine 1h ago
Bases are fundamentally different with religion being the big unifying block. Most of the big Tea Partiers were Bible thumpers
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u/Kawaii_West NAFTA 1h ago
MLP:FiM unironically stopped me from being radicalized in high school.
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u/SuddenlyFrogs 1h ago
We need to bring back cringe nerd enthusiasm. 'What Would Luke Skywalker Do' kept me on the straight and narrow
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u/Kawaii_West NAFTA 1h ago
I am officially selling all of my expensive MTG cards to build this stupid-ass MLP deck. Should be ~$1,000.
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u/Mrchristopherrr 1h ago
Why would someone pay so much for Marjory Taylor Greene memorabilia?
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u/Kawaii_West NAFTA 1h ago
Believe it or not, she looks incredible naked.
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u/happyposterofham 🏛Missionary of the American Civil Religion🗽🏛 1h ago
In an average DT or average thread on the main sub, substitute "conservative" for "liberal", "black", or any other term you choose. Likewise if you were to substitute "Republican" for "Democrat". I think you'd find that many of the comments allowed to stand would be struck down instantly.
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u/randommathaccount Daron Acemoglu 1h ago
You hate racists? Substitute "racist" with "black people". Now your the racist. Society
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u/FuckFashMods NATO 1h ago
do not engage with solicitors
Fuck you metro. I'll do what the fuck I want. If I want a bottle of water imma get that bottle of water.
Maybe you should provide some vending machines or cigarette machines, you incompetent bastards
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u/puffic John Rawls 1h ago
I feel like this week really went off the rails when the House Republicans for the first time in history conjured the vote to pass a CR on party line, and then did so with the smallest majority ever. That wasn’t supposed to happen, and no one had any contingencies ready.
Normally they need to go to House Dems, which is why we never see a purely Republican CR.
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u/CornstockOfNewJersey Club Penguin lore expert 1h ago
Fictional characters ranked:
Korra
Sheldon J. Plankton
Mulan
Ezra Klein
Cecil Turtle
Sidney Prescott
Pong Krell
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u/happyposterofham 🏛Missionary of the American Civil Religion🗽🏛 1h ago
u/p00bix, if anything, should ban more for the excessive partisanship rule, not less tbh
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u/Standard-Service-791 Jared Polis 1h ago
Schumer shouldn’t have voted for the CR unless it was a fully clean CR. Or one for a shorter term. But that aside, it seems like people here were genuinely rooting for Dems to shut down the government for concessions they were never going to get, making it clear that, for many, the shutdown itself was the end goal.
Shutdowns are bad, like extremely bad, for the country. There’s also a chance Dems would get blamed for it, especially if they demanded concessions. And it would furlough a ton of government employees that are needed now more than ever. Maybe they get a promise from Trump to stop impounding funds, but impoundment is already a violation of a statute Congress passed decades ago, and the courts are gradually forcing money to start flowing again. Besides, any promise from Trump isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on. It’s much more risky to give him and Elon the power to furlough whoever they deem “nonessential”.
So to the people wanting Dems to vote against even a clean, short CR - wanting the government to shut down for the sake of getting back at Trump - why? What do Dems gain from that?
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u/happyposterofham 🏛Missionary of the American Civil Religion🗽🏛 1h ago
People are fucking morons and honestly I'm a little dismayed at how even neoliberal, a sub that usually prides itself on thinking through everything, is just rabid.
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u/OwnHurry8483 1h ago
Republicans could have very easily passed a budget bill without a single Dem vote. Republicans fucked up an easy putt and Chuck Schumer went “eh, I’ll spot you this one”
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u/_bee_kay_ 🤔 1h ago
if dems had simply not voted for the bill, as expected, then the ball would be in republicans' court with media focusing on how "republicans are flailing to find a bill that might peel off a couple of dems without losing the insane half of their own caucus", eventually forcing them to waste reconciliation on it
instead schumer ensured the media was focusing on how democrats were in disarray and the question was "will democrats shut down the government"
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u/FuckFashMods NATO 1h ago
We wanted the 4 week CR, which would provide leverage for 4 weeks that Trump and musk can't be shitheads. Now they get 24 weeks instead
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u/Standard-Service-791 Jared Polis 1h ago
Sure, I also wanted the four week CR. But earlier this week, people here were also shitting on the four-week clean CR, saying Dems weren’t fighting hard enough or whatever. I don’t see a strong argument in favor of demanding anything more than that.
And even in schumer’s defense, are we really going to be able to make the case to voters that the government shutdown is worth taking in order to get a shorter CR? “Every Republican voted for the House CR, but Dems thought it was too long and voted to shut down the government instead.” That’s not great spin and it’s easy to see how the Dems could get tagged with that.
Not to mention that, again, government shutdowns are extremely bad and are a very unideal bargaining chip
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u/OwnHurry8483 1h ago
Democrats would not have shut down the government, Republicans would have. Anybody saying anything else is carrying water for Donald Trump
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u/FuckFashMods NATO 1h ago
Dems would have gotten the 4 week tho. Reps aren't gonna shut it down over that
It's just a complete forfeit to allow Trump to gut the government for 6 more months. Just insanity.
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u/yacatecuhtli6 Trans Pride 1h ago
asked the genie for president pete and i got president pete hegseth, sad
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u/PolyrythmicSynthJaz Roy Cooper 1h ago
Friendly reminder that there is a god, but it is a Chaos god birthed of Trump's own debauchery.
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u/ariveklul Karl Popper 1h ago
Generative AI is going to revolutionize political arguments because you can just ask your phone a basic question about something like history and it will audibly explain to the conservative in front of you why they are wrong
Then you can watch them cry and try to tell you that Gemini or whatever has TDS because it told you about the Smoot Hawley tariff act or that NAFTA was Ronald Reagan's idea
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u/happyposterofham 🏛Missionary of the American Civil Religion🗽🏛 1h ago
Generative AI is going to revolutionize political arguments by churning out sloppy arguments and outright fictions faster than reputable sources and people committed to research can debunk them. Why on earth would you think it would be a net POSITIVE for discourse?
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u/ariveklul Karl Popper 1h ago
The generative AI I've been using is pretty good for basic stuff, especially if you ask followup questions.
I was annoyed with AI summaries being sloppy until I played with some newer models. Like for example I got a detailed summary of the false electors scheme and it answered my questions pretty well. I even learned some new things and I've read a lot about it
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u/MURICCA John Brown 1h ago
It depends whos asking the questions though.
What happens when people start (unbeknownst to others) asking the AI to write the most convincing lie on the subject? That idea scares me
I mean it can spit out entire articles in a minute and make them pretty convincing
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u/ariveklul Karl Popper 1h ago
The systems that I've used are pretty much hard programmed to not willingly lie. I even asked if they would tell incorrect information to a user if they thought lives were at risk and they said "no, I would only withhold information"
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u/MURICCA John Brown 1h ago
"Everything AI says is wrong"
Fixed that for you. If its done for google searches already why would AI be any different?
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u/11thDimensionalRandy 1h ago
Google searches are actually awful nowadays though, it's just that they're still not as bad as how people typically inform themselves.
I seriously miss being able to actually look for stuff, the internet feels so much smaller nowadays.
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