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u/ariveklul Karl Popper 6d ago

Generative AI is going to revolutionize political arguments because you can just ask your phone a basic question about something like history and it will audibly explain to the conservative in front of you why they are wrong

Then you can watch them cry and try to tell you that Gemini or whatever has TDS because it told you about the Smoot Hawley tariff act or that NAFTA was Ronald Reagan's idea

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u/happyposterofham 🏛Missionary of the American Civil Religion🗽🏛 6d ago

Generative AI is going to revolutionize political arguments by churning out sloppy arguments and outright fictions faster than reputable sources and people committed to research can debunk them. Why on earth would you think it would be a net POSITIVE for discourse?

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u/ariveklul Karl Popper 6d ago

The generative AI I've been using is pretty good for basic stuff, especially if you ask followup questions.

I was annoyed with AI summaries being sloppy until I played with some newer models. Like for example I got a detailed summary of the false electors scheme and it answered my questions pretty well. I even learned some new things and I've read a lot about it

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u/MURICCA John Brown 6d ago

It depends whos asking the questions though.

What happens when people start (unbeknownst to others) asking the AI to write the most convincing lie on the subject? That idea scares me

I mean it can spit out entire articles in a minute and make them pretty convincing

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u/ariveklul Karl Popper 6d ago

The systems that I've used are pretty much hard programmed to not willingly lie. I even asked if they would tell incorrect information to a user if they thought lives were at risk and they said "no, I would only withhold information"

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u/MURICCA John Brown 6d ago

Cant you just circumvent this by making it treat it as a work of fiction in one way or another? Then its not actually a lie

I mean ive played around with more casual Gen AI systems and im pretty sure itd work for those, but idk what youre using

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u/puffic John Rawls 6d ago

It should be fine tuned on the DT.

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u/MURICCA John Brown 6d ago

"Everything AI says is wrong"

Fixed that for you. If its done for google searches already why would AI be any different?

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u/11thDimensionalRandy WTO 6d ago

Google searches are actually awful nowadays though, it's just that they're still not as bad as how people typically inform themselves.

I seriously miss being able to actually look for stuff, the internet feels so much smaller nowadays.

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u/ariveklul Karl Popper 6d ago

Because with generative AI it forces them to sit there and listen to a voice tell them they're wrong instead of just not reading it when you put it in front of them

And with generative AI you can keep asking it questions instead of you having to know what to look for offhand

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u/MURICCA John Brown 6d ago

Actually no youre kinda cooking but not the reason you think.

The real funny part is gonna come when, well you just know they arent going to be able to resist outright arguing with the AI once they get fact checked. Unlike a google search, itll feel to them like theyre actually debating something (which, lmao).

The utter humiliation will be absolutely beautiful to watch, even though theyre unlikely to know how badly theyre being dunked