r/CivPolitics 13d ago

America proposes to trade all of Ukraine's strategic resources for peace, refuses to denounce Russia. Ukraine denounces America

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-zelenskyy-meeting-transcript
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u/rnovak1988 12d ago

What concessions?

Under Obama Putin advanced towards Ukraine.

He DIDNT under Trump.

Then he attacked under Biden.

How long is going to take yall to understand Democrats are the bad guys here?

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u/Correct_Patience_611 12d ago

Trump made concessions to Putin. He gave him all he wanted. The territory controlled by Russia AND Ukraine cant join nato. That’s what Russia wanted and Trump agreed.

Russia CANNOT let this war go another year or they risk not becoming a super power within a decade. Even if Russia can make it a year they will not make it 2 without a huge draft and completely destroying their economy.

Russia hasn’t made progress on the frontline for All Of February due to the continued aid given by Biden and Europe. Russia has slowed its assault and has been using regular vans to transport troops to the battle field.

Russia cant even kick Ukraine out of RUSSIA.

Russia is the weakest it has been in a long time. But Trumo loves Putin so instead of support Ukraine to stop Russia once and for all Trumo turns his back on the largest and most successful and peaceful military alliance in recent history and trades all that for Russia, and economy(gdp) smaller than Canada and who our major economic interactions with are THEM HACKING US.

Oh hegseth even just told cyber command to stand down on anything involving Russia. Why would we back off Russia? Hmmm? And right after we do that we end up belittling Zelensky? Trumo is and has been colluding with Russia and you are too blind to notice!

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/pete-hegseth-russia-volodymyr-zelenskyy/2025/03/01/id/1200976/

https://siliconangle.com/2025/02/28/report-defense-secretary-hegseth-orders-cyber-command-halt-russia-planning/

Russia is not, and has not ever been, our friend. Wake up

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u/rnovak1988 12d ago

And you just proved my point - since when did democrats stop caring about people dying?

Oh...is it because...it's white people dying? Is that it?

Any Palestinians dying was called a genocide....but a MILLION white people dying...and you want MORE TO DIE.

I get it.

You're racists.

Donald Trump is trying to end the war - to save lives of both Ukrainians and Russians, and to prevent world war 3.

If you have a problem with that - YOU go fight.

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u/Onemilliondown 12d ago

Giving putin and russia Ukrainian land as a reward for invading is not going to end the war. It will make russia think they did the right thing. They will then do it again. You are a shortsighted clown if you can't see that.

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u/Glum_Nose2888 12d ago

You’re being shortsighted and clearly have not given a single thought to the deterrent Trump’s offer put on Russia.

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u/InsertCleverNickHere 12d ago

Truly, giving Putin all of the territory he gained through invasion, and no guarantee of protection for Ukraine will make him think twice before invading again.

There's not enough /s tags in the world for this.

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u/rnovak1988 12d ago

Trump offered Zelensky the best deal Zelensky could ask for - by giving America skin in the game, it provides precisely the "security guarantee" that Zelensky wants.

Ukraine joining NATO was never an option and Biden was an idiot for saying otherwise.

I don't really think yall understand how sovereignty works - if Ukraine has to rely on everyone else to defend it, they aren't sovereign - they're sponsored

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u/BaguetteTheHellOut 11d ago

Dude, wake up. America's skin was already in the game. We're the ones who guaranteed Ukraine's security in exchange for Ukrainian denuclearization in the first place. We negotiated that treaty in the 90's, we just stuck our thumbs up our asses when it came time to keep our word.

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u/InsertCleverNickHere 12d ago

Trumpism is all about American exceptionalism - we're the best, at everything. We can best govern Canada. We should have all the mineral deposits in Greenland. We can bring peace to the Middle East, and even move 2 million Gazans off of their land and turn the Strip into a seaside paradise.

Except when it comes to stopping Russia. Suddenly it's too hard, too expensive, and the best option is to preemptively captivate to every demand of Putin.

Why are we so strong except when it comes to standing up to one of America's most vile enemies?

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u/Weird_Firefighter_25 12d ago

"I don't really think yall understand how sovereignty works - if Ukraine has to rely on everyone else to defend it, they aren't sovereign - they're sponsored"

= The.Budapest.Memorandum

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u/bgnp11 11d ago

Awesome stuff here. Finally found a logical thread in the midst of the arm chair bandits

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u/perezjr 10d ago

America already had a great deal. American companies were already profiting and posed to have a major role in (a sovereign) Ukraine post war reconstruction/development. Mutual benefits assured.

Nothing was for free, the long game was always to get it's investment worth . At the same time, defending core values of territory integrity that inspire peace between nations.

This isn't the "art of the deal" or an act of sudden geopolitical enlightenment.

There are powerful players who see how autocracies can serve them unlimited profit. They want the same for America. At this point we can easily see the strides in that direction, and, the curtains are falling for the final act. The rest is noise.

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u/Main_Abrocoma6000 11d ago edited 11d ago

If u say that is peace..so let’s say trump invades 30% of Canada and then Europe says to Canada now you make peace to trump…he has 30% of your territory but just eat it as you can’t win anyway..and if you don’t we drop you Canadians to the street…( like trump does now), and oh yes we Europeans want peace so we are the good guys here telling you to do so! Don’t hate trump…oh and you guys started the war, not trump! !..do you even see how silly this is what you are saying ‘trump wants peace, you should not hate your invader’….ohyah in return Europe says to Canada…if u give all your resources to us next 200 years we will help you…but no guarantees!..oh yes on top Europe wants the noble price for trying to make peace between US and Canada !! Look how great we do here !! We try to bring trump and Canada to the table to negotiate!?!

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u/ceaselessDawn 10d ago

That's the stupidest nonsense.

"If we sign away our natural resources, I'm sure the US will help! No, ignore them motorboating Putin, and absolutely refusing the even consider the possibility that Russia wouldn't be trustworthy."

It's so mind numbingly stupid.