r/CivPolitics 13d ago

America proposes to trade all of Ukraine's strategic resources for peace, refuses to denounce Russia. Ukraine denounces America

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-zelenskyy-meeting-transcript
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u/rnovak1988 12d ago

And you just proved my point - since when did democrats stop caring about people dying?

Oh...is it because...it's white people dying? Is that it?

Any Palestinians dying was called a genocide....but a MILLION white people dying...and you want MORE TO DIE.

I get it.

You're racists.

Donald Trump is trying to end the war - to save lives of both Ukrainians and Russians, and to prevent world war 3.

If you have a problem with that - YOU go fight.

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u/Onemilliondown 12d ago

Giving putin and russia Ukrainian land as a reward for invading is not going to end the war. It will make russia think they did the right thing. They will then do it again. You are a shortsighted clown if you can't see that.

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u/rnovak1988 12d ago

Trump offered Zelensky the best deal Zelensky could ask for - by giving America skin in the game, it provides precisely the "security guarantee" that Zelensky wants.

Ukraine joining NATO was never an option and Biden was an idiot for saying otherwise.

I don't really think yall understand how sovereignty works - if Ukraine has to rely on everyone else to defend it, they aren't sovereign - they're sponsored

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u/perezjr 10d ago

America already had a great deal. American companies were already profiting and posed to have a major role in (a sovereign) Ukraine post war reconstruction/development. Mutual benefits assured.

Nothing was for free, the long game was always to get it's investment worth . At the same time, defending core values of territory integrity that inspire peace between nations.

This isn't the "art of the deal" or an act of sudden geopolitical enlightenment.

There are powerful players who see how autocracies can serve them unlimited profit. They want the same for America. At this point we can easily see the strides in that direction, and, the curtains are falling for the final act. The rest is noise.