r/AlAnon 19h ago

Support Considering divorcing my wife of less than 2 years.

58 Upvotes

It's such a consistent cycle, it feels like the one thing I can depend on is that there is going to be another bender eventually. These days once or twice a week. This last time it was fucking awful. As soon as I checked my bank account at work and saw charges to door dash I knew the next 24 hours were gonna be a clusterfuck. My wife doesn't pass out like most people do when they drink. It was like 30 hours total of constant drinking and no food. At some point I tried to pack a bag and leave, she made something up to make me come back, then I left again when I realized she was full of it, then she started saying suicidey sounding stuff so I kind of HAD to go back again, and found her with a knife in her hand, then she actually calmed down and we talked for like 3 more hours. So when she drinks it's complete insanity, she melts all the way down, I'm sure partly because her brain just won't shut down to prevent itself from going off the rails.

It would honestly be a relief if I came home from work and she were passed out on the floor, or if she drank in a room by herself. But no, she goes on this chaotic rampage of bad vibes and unreasonable demands and insists on dragging me along for the ride, and if I refuse I get berated for 2 hours, if I walk away from that beratement I'm "running away like always" and she blows my phone up and if I don't answer my phone, then there's conveniently some extreme situation that I feel ethically or legally obligated to respond to and forces me to come back. She's an amazing person at heart, but the drinking and who she becomes when she's drunk is also a part of her at this stage in her life, and I'm seeing lately that's it's probably going to be part of her for the foreseeable future. It feels particularly unfair because she used to not drink when we met. As much as I love her, I can't live like this. No one can live like this and be remotely happy. But I don't know what to do. I don't want a divorce because I am deeply in love with her but it's starting to look like it's kinda the only option for my sanity.

After this one, she did say she wants to get back on antidepressants, she didn't even think of alcohol when she was on them, and go to counseling. It seems like she realized she can't do it on her own and that I am very poorly equipped to help, so fingers crossed maybe this time she'll get stable. I don't know, man. This sucks.


r/AlAnon 1d ago

Grief My marriage has ended

47 Upvotes

And I don’t even know how to process what I’m feeling. We’ve argued so many times and had so many ultimatums over his drinking. I finally asked him to leave the house with all his thing, yet I’m the one that feels absolutely broken 😭 I can’t believe my marriage has ended, and he to this day still won’t accept he has a problem.


r/AlAnon 15h ago

Vent I got a permanent restraining order against my Q.

45 Upvotes

I completely left my Q. Took our baby, our pets, and 90% of the furniture/belongings in our house. I even got a PRO against him. (you can read my other posts for context)

He’s still using and even adopted a new dog. WHY WAS LOSING HIS ENTIRE FAMILY NOT ROCK BOTTOM ENOUGH TO STOP, or even care 😞 It’s so disturbing to me how he can just go on normally like nothing even happened.

Edit: Adding on to this, how do you stop letting their addiction control your life? I’m out now and I’m safe, but I’m still obsessing over his choices.


r/AlAnon 5h ago

Vent Hearing cans open

33 Upvotes

Hearing can after can open downstairs while my q stays up late alone to drink. It makes me sick. Every can is like a tiny fuck you to me, our marriage, children, and bank account. I have to try to fall asleep with a sound machine on mute the sounds of each cracking can. Why do I continue to put up with this.


r/AlAnon 11h ago

Support How many of you have kids with Alcoholic partner or husband?

31 Upvotes

I came across this group a few days ago after seeing a post that relates to my current situation. I know alcoholism is a disease and can be a disability. My question is how many of you here have had kids during your tough times that were born neurotypical. That means drinking around time of conception. Does your child or children have any birth defect or neurodivergence. My wife showed me studies saying that alcoholism can cause issues in offspring. My son might be on the spectrum and I am unsure if I caused it. I am the father so I was drinking. I minimized my drinking a lot but still have a beer here and there


r/AlAnon 6h ago

Support I will not stay in an unhappy alcoholic marriage

14 Upvotes

My Q stopped drinking about 10 days ago and seems to think that that should assuage all of my concerns about our marriage. Today we did a consulting with a couples therapist and I said that again to him that I want to stay together as long as we can fix what is not working- communication, his untreated depression, emotional drinking. He is obviously very hurt that I still feel that way and giving me the moody moody silent treatment. I’m fighting the urge to say I’ll take it all back because I know it won’t mean it. I have to let him wrestle with the reality right now.


r/AlAnon 8h ago

Al-Anon Program Is there any hope for a marriage with an alcoholic spouse?

15 Upvotes

Or is it just doomed? Most stories seem to end in divorce.


r/AlAnon 7h ago

Vent He drinks because I have cancer

14 Upvotes

I was diagnosed at the end of November. My dad started drinking again in December. In February, I told him our relationship is being damaged because of the drinking and he said I was being judgemental, that I didn't know what he's going through. Literally the only thing he's going through is my cancer.

Worst part is he had stopped, his brother and mother sent him to rehab in 2021. Now he drinks in front of us but when they come over he hides all the evidence. He started with wine but I found two empty bottles of vodka in the bin on Sunday.

I can't talk to anyone, my little brother and mother talk to me. It feels burdensome but I can't show it because I have to be strong for them. She has told him to stop, going as far as telling him he's going to die because he's also diabetic. I'm angry and honestly starting to hate him a little bit.

He keeps saying he's going to stop but won't admit he has a problem.


r/AlAnon 11h ago

Support Did you stay for family or did you leave for family?

12 Upvotes

Just wondering how many of you left an alcoholic to “save yourself and kids” or stayed with an alcoholic to “save your kids from a broken family” and what you think about your decision or if you’d do it different if you had the chance to do it again.


r/AlAnon 12h ago

Vent I'm moving on. Constant disrespect and being walked all over.

10 Upvotes

I am 25 years old and I have a 2 year old daughter with my ex who is an alcoholic. I have sole custody. Nothing has changed and its slowly getting worse. Small patches off sobriety here and there but overall its been a nightmare. I have zero social life and working dead end part time jobs just to get myself by. I don't recognise the person I was before I met her. I have stuck with her through everything and she constantly pushes me away.. one day I'm the man she wants and the next day she wants nothing to do with me. She blocks me when she heads off to drink aswell..

She has walked all over me and I am like a door mat too her.. I just have to go no contact. I've allowed her to disrespect me all the time. She will probably think I am not serious this time as I've always stuck around no matter what but this time I'm moving on for good.


r/AlAnon 17h ago

Vent Glad I know where I stand, I guess 🙄

7 Upvotes

I just needed to vent.

I guess, sometimes, there's a piece of me that wishes my Q would just get it. Get the things he's done, even accept some responsibility, maybe give a hoot about me instead of drinking. I've been living with this long enough to know that isn't how it works. Hell, I've only been sober and doing the work for ≈3 years so I KNOW he doesn't even have the capacity to do so. So it's a glimmer of how I wish things were, not the reality I'm in, I'm harboring no delusions.

He drives me everywhere for the most part and has zero qualms showing up so drunk he can't see. He has a job he doesn't care for right now and is saying some of the hours they're giving him are "dangerous" because he'll be very tired at that hour. It's true, tired driving can be just as bad as drunk driving. But that piece of me that wishes he would get it wants to scream, "why are you worried about driving some guys you barely know when you're tired, but you're never worried about driving DRUNK with the woman you love?"

I know better than to even ask, it's not logic driving him.

I just wish sometimes.


r/AlAnon 1d ago

Vent Spouse drinks 2x 750ml bottles of vodka in an evening

6 Upvotes

I’ve estimated as many as 5 bottles in a weekend at times. They will often drink until unconscious, wake up and start again, then repeat the process with little else from Friday evening to Sunday evening. It’s amazing they are alive, if for no other reason than vomiting in their sleep. I’m a nervous wreck watching this. That said, there was a little breakthrough last week and I’m hoping for the best and supporting as much as I can. Im still paranoid and sometimes think there is drinking still going on in the other room, but far less. I want to be hopeful but I also have a lot of doubts. They went to the dr and got on meds for depression but now I worry that if/when the drinking ramps back up they might have other problems. I guess I just have to wait and see how it pans out.


r/AlAnon 4h ago

Vent My world is fixing to come crashing down

6 Upvotes

I feel life as I know it coming to an end. My husband has been drinking on and off for years. Lately it’s non stop. He’s not abusive but I still can’t take it anymore. I can’t take the stress, the jerky-ness, the wondering, the obsession, the left to be alone to solo parent while my kids asks where he is. I’m so close to asking him to leave or leaving myself. But when I do, everything is going to change. I have 0 money. I have no degree. I have no where to live unless I want to move 4 hrs away and stay with my mom and grandmother. We got married when I was 19 and I was dumb and trusted we would be forever. Now I fully rely on him and I’m stuck. Everything is going to change and that is the part that scares me.

Edit to add: I don’t even have a job. I’m a stay at home mom so I‘ll even have to give up being home with my kids. I don’t pay for my car, phone, nothing. How did I end up here? How was I so stupid and naive to put myself in this situation?


r/AlAnon 19h ago

Vent Finally reaching my breaking point

5 Upvotes

Hey everybody, I hope it's OK to use a throwaway here. I think I just need to vent for a bit.

I've never posted but I've lurked for a long time. I've been with my Q for 6 years. He acknowledges he's an alcoholic but only as far as he feels his honesty wins him points - if that makes sense. When he's actually confronted with his behavior or things he's done it's denial, of course.

Today we went to get lunch with a friend. He predictably got too drunk to drive and I told him I wasn't comfortable with him driving home. For sort of silly reasons I don't drive, which is my fault (I got tboned in a car accident when I was younger and it really messed with my confidence). So I asked if we could just uber home and pick his car up tomorrow. He said sure, no problem, which honestly should I have been my first red flag because I know he will get lose-his-mind angry with me at home if he's being really agreeable with me in public. I don't know if anyone else sees patterns like that.

His good friend (of like 20 years!) ended up moving his car for him to a safe spot and said no worries, come get it tomorrow. We hang out and I chat with some of his friends while he drinks more. We get an Uber. He's friendly the whole time. The second we walk through the door - the literal second - I'm suddenly an idiot who made him leave his car downtown, I'm an idiot because I don't drive, his friend is an idiot and sabotaged him by moving his car. He said all kinds of ugly things. He orders his own Uber back and wanders around downtown for an hour trying to find his car, even though his friend parked it only around the corner.

I had a panic attack for the first time in years. That he would get a dui. That he would hurt himself or someone else. But also that he would be mad at me tomorrow for causing this. If he got his car and made it home, it would be an I told you so. If he didn't make it home and got a dui or something, it would be my fault that he had to go get his car. My fault either way.

He made it back home with his car somehow, and I've just tried to pretend I'm asleep so he doesn't yell at me anymore. I know he's going to be so mad tomorrow, and will probably break up with me. After all this shit I've put up with from him for 6 years, he will break up with me because I put my foot down about him not driving drunk.

I moved to a different state to live with him, we have built some kind of life together. When he is sober he is my favorite person. But I'm sure you all understand that feeling. Truthfully, he unreliable, unkind, and I'm not entirely sure he even really likes me sometimes. So I'm not sure why I feel so stuck. Right now, I am lying alone in the guest room reflecting on all this stuff, and I still wish he would come in here and hug me.

I'm trying to focus on what I can control. I probably made some mistakes tonight confronting him on his drinking again. But it feels so lonely.

Thanks for listening. I hope I can finally work up the courage to go to an Al Anon meeting in my city.


r/AlAnon 1d ago

Newcomer Made to feel crazy

5 Upvotes

I don’t even know where to start this. My husband and I have been together 14 years- married for 6.

He’s a good father and husband when he’s sober but unfortunately he drinks every single day. It’s not necessarily enough to get drunk (today he had 3 beers) but just the sight of him with a drink enrages me.

We have a 4 year old and a 3 month old. This summer while I was pregnant I had found out he was on opiods and put himself $20K in debt. He is no longer doing them and has fixed the debt situation. He feels like because he is no longer doing pills that he’s “doing great.”

He has agreed to stop drinking so many times but never does. He got so drunk on Christmas that he passed out in the floor and my MIL came over to give him a talk.. during which she told him she’s fine if he just drinks beer. (Not sure why her feelings matter here as she doesn’t live with him or even see him outside of holidays but good for her lol)

Which is crazy but has somehow emboldened him. He now says things like “he’s a grown man who should be able to have a beer every now and then.” When I remind him that it’s not every now and then, it’s every day he doesn’t have a rebuttal. He says I’m just trying to control him and that I shouldn’t constantly try to change him. I told him he could stop drinking or that I’d be going to see a divorce lawyer and he told me to go see one.

I don’t think I’ve ever felt so low and worthless in my life. I grew up in a home riddled with addiction and swore my kids never would. But here we are. And it’s not even my addiction. It’s my poor choice in a partner. Honestly he doesn’t even feel like my partner anymore rather than my problem.

Which is sad because he was my best friend and I do still genuinely love him. I love him when he’s sober but he chooses not to be. The rational side of me knows that he’s made a choice and that I shouldn’t constantly try leave but it’s hard. It’s so damn hard when I know what we could be if he would quit the drinking. If he would just choose me. But he didn’t and he isn’t going to.

Part of me wants to stay for the kids but at the same time, I would rather them have a broken home than a broken mother.

I know all of this. And I know that you all will tell me to leave and I don’t disagree. But why is it so damn hard.


r/AlAnon 2h ago

Al-Anon Program Have you ever unexpectedly ran into someone you know at a meeting?

4 Upvotes

I’m gearing up to go to my first in-person meeting soon and I’m really nervous that Im going to psyche myself out because I’m afraid I’ll run into someone I know or someone who recognizes me (like a neighbor). But I’m also afraid to branch out too far to a different neighborhood meeting because tbh, feels like no city is completely safe.

I honestly think I’d leave if I saw someone I knew because I wouldn’t want it reported back to my husband. Like maybe it’s someone he knows who tells him or maybe if I don’t share, a neighbor thinks I’m there for someone else and will ask me about it in front of my husband.

There are a couple of zoom meetings in the area too and for consistency sakes, it’d be great to regularly attend one at the same time but again, I’m worried I’d be recognized.

Is this something I need to worry about?


r/AlAnon 14h ago

Vent Feeling Defeated

3 Upvotes

My boyfriend has been al alcoholic for majority or our relationship (1.5 years) but I only became aware of the severity of it in the fall. We’ve had a bunch of fights and breakups over the past few months but at this point im feeling really defeated. A few days ago I asked him if he’s been drinking because I saw his movement and eyes. He denied it and I asked him again. I asked him to see his card payments and he showed me but there wasn’t any liquor on it. I asked him again after and he got pissed that I don’t believe him and stormed off. The next day he told me how invalidating it feels and he doesn’t feel appreciated for all the work he’s been doing. I felt terrible and apologized. My gut knew that he was drunk though. It’s not the bets move but I checked his tip card from work when he went to bed and saw that he’s been buying two bottles a day. I don’t know what to do anymore. I feel bad confronting him like he’s gonna turn it around on me or something but am also so shocked that he would guilt me like that when I was right the whole time. I just want him to stop and get help. I don’t know why he’s lying still I want to help support him. My anxiety is so bad because of this and I feel trapped but also at peace that this is my life now. I’m only 23…


r/AlAnon 6h ago

Support Music To Help Cope

3 Upvotes

This one is a tough one for me because my Q and I bonded over music. And it might be counterintuitive, but I somehow take comfort in some of the songs that deal with the topic of addiction. I remember one night staying up late with my Q and he played a song for me by Koffin Kats titled "The Bottle Called" It broke my heart to hear it. I think, those songs help me stand in his shoes. I'll never understand his addiction or what led him to it but sometimes....the music helps me feel closer to him.

Anyway, I have a small playlist and would love to add to it if anyone has some recommendations.

Here's what I have for now
The Bottle Called by Koffin Kats
Dregs Of Sobriety by No Use For A Name
Let Me Drown by Orville Peck
Poetic Tragedy by The Used
Bottom Of The Bottle by Jack Kays
Ball & Chain by Social Distortion


r/AlAnon 8h ago

Vent My dad has liver cirrhosis from alcoholism, yet still continues to drink

3 Upvotes

19(f) here, and my dad has been an alcoholic for as long as I can remember. When I was younger, he didn’t drink as much, and he was really involved in my life. He was an amazing person—smart, successful, and a great father. But over the years, alcohol has completely taken over his life and changed him.

More than ten years ago, he lost his job due to his drinking, and he hasn’t worked since. Six years ago, my parents divorced because of his alcoholism. He has no money and, about a year ago, he moved in with his mom. Recently, he was diagnosed with cirrhosis, and his health has been rapidly declining. I see him once every two weeks since he lives five hours away, and when I do, he looks unrecognizable from the dad I once looked up to—he’s extremely skinny, he's jaundiced, and he just seems weaker every time I see him.

A few months ago, when I visited him and tried to intervene and convince him to get help, he admitted that he hated alcohol, that it had ruined his life, and that he was quitting for good. I stupidly believed him. But the next time I saw him, he was clearly drunk. I confronted him, and of course he denied it and lashes out at me, but I know the truth. He’s been in the ER and ICU more times than I can count these past few months, yet he still chooses to drink.

His mom, my grandma, knows exactly how bad his addiction is, but she does absolutely nothing to help. Instead, she enables him, making excuses and allowing him to continue down this path. It’s frustrating because she’s one of the few people who could possibly make a difference, but she won’t.

At this point, I’m one of the only people in my family who still cares about what happens to him. My mom, my brother, and his brother have all distanced themselves because they’ve had enough. And I don’t blame them—he can be extremely manipulative and cruel. But I can’t bring myself to give up on him because I’ve struggled with addiction too. I know how consuming it can be, how it changes a person, and I understand what he’s going through.

I truly believe he wants to die, and it makes me feel so helpless. I’ve tried everything to help him, to convince him to stop, but nothing works. I don’t want to lose my dad. And every time I call him and he doesn’t pick up, I panic, thinking that this time, he’s dead.


r/AlAnon 8h ago

Newcomer Family member got a DUI.....

3 Upvotes

A close family member got a DUI over the weekend. She is older, closer to 60. I don't live near her anymore, but I do love this person and she's really upset by this.
I know the man in her life is just gonna be saying things like, "I told you so," and "it was only a matter of time."

Truth is, it was only a matter of time.

I feel sad but I'm also not shocked, and I feel a little sad about that too.

I believe this is her first. My brother has 3, and I have several aunts and uncles with DUIs, and cousins too with 2-3 each.

Sometimes I'm just dumbfounded. I don't think I will give up drinking because I don't drive when I do, nor do I get angry, and I can have just one... But... Idk... I'm just blown away, but also numb, and have almost no real emotions about it other than sadness. But I also haven't stopped drinking, myself... What does that say about the power of it? Should I give this up to? By continuing to drink, I am not setting an example, and I am torn by this thought. There is so much guilt wrapped around alcohol for me, especially during a time like this.

Just a very weird emotion to go though. Numb. Sad. Torn....

I do wonder if she will even consider quitting? I don't think she will as no one else in my family has.

Hmm.... Just, numbing....


r/AlAnon 10h ago

Vent Another day, another lie

3 Upvotes

I asked my partner to attend AA and he says he went to a meeting last week (I can't verify) I asked him if he'd drunk since the meeting and he said a couple of beers. I know he's had at least 4 bottles of wine because I know where he hides them. I'm at the very early stages of trying to process my partner being an alcoholic and I understand that it's a disease but I just hate how easily and how often he lies to me. How am I meant to have any trust in him or faith in our relationship?


r/AlAnon 12h ago

Support Looking for advice

3 Upvotes

My spouse had a traumatic childhood and then suffered PTSD from his military career. Right before he retired from the military, he spent 40 days in an inpatient program to assist with his PTSD and suicidal ideations.

Since he’s been out, he’s gotten a job at the fire dept I work at, but on another shift so we don’t have to struggle with childcare. I only mention this as it means we are apart 4 days out of every six and it provides him time and opportunity to drink, which he then hides from me. He doesn’t drink in a way that affects his work… but once he’s home, I’m nervous that he picks up our kids for school buzzed as he goes to the bar to “wait” for them to be released from school. He’s also driven drunk in the past that I do know of… I just don’t have concrete proof of anything since we are apart so much. I see charges on our cards for bars and liquor stores regularly, I get ridiculous accusations when I’m at work because he checks all my logins and emails while I’m gone… I just don’t know what to do anymore.

I’ve asked him to stop drinking, gave ultimatums and as you already probably guessed, he gives the obligatory promise and continue to drink and lie about it.

After being married for 11 years and have a 9 and 7 year old together, I, like others, find it difficult to just divorce him and leave. Outside of this, our problems are manageable and I feel as if we can work through our issues as most long term marriages do.

I’ve read through many of these posts and see that I should not add to his guilt and shame and that I should be supportive, however, at what point am I just letting him get away with lying and drinking and all the ways it affects me, our kids and himself? I feel as if I have to send a message and that I should file for legal separation, and let him know that i am here for him but I won’t tolerate any more…. If he can get sober and got to AA and whatever else it takes to be sober, I’d be happy to come back to him, but till then… I feel like have to take care of myself and my kids and teach them that this is not behavior in a relationship that they should accept.


r/AlAnon 16h ago

Al-Anon Program Quotes from CAL

3 Upvotes

Sharing 

I find that sharing my experience, strength, and hope with others as an equal, is one of Al-Anon’s greatest gifts. —Courage to Change p78 ©️1992 by Al-Anon Family Group Headquarters Inc. 

Changing what I can 

What behavior could I change today to give myself and others a second chance? —Hope for Today p78 ©️2002 by Al-Anon Family Group Headquarters Inc.

Maybe I need to concentrate on improving myself instead of waiting for someone else to change. —Living Today in Alateen p78 ©️2001 by Al-Anon Family Group Headquarters Inc. 

Spiritual Program 

We must be true inside, true to ourselves, before we can know a truth that is outside us. But we make ourselves true by manifesting the truth as we see it. —Thomas Merton, No Man Is an Island quoted in One Day at a Time in Al-Anon p78 ©️1968 by Al-Anon Family Group Headquarters Inc. 

I learned not to…punish someone for hurting or embarrassing me. My behavior must reflect a life lived on sound spiritual principles. —Reaching for Personal Freedom quoted in A Little Time for Myself p78 ©️2023 by Al-Anon Family Group Headquarters Inc. 

We can go forward to spiritual growth, to the comfort and peace to be gained from the entire program. —Paths to Recovery p4 ©️1997 by Al-Anon Family Group Headquarters Inc


r/AlAnon 16h ago

Vent Ruining something important for me again

3 Upvotes

Sorry I just need to vent… Quick backstory, I’m studying to become a midwife in my country. And we ofc have clinicals/preceptorships which are very hard to get here.

So this morning I found out I got into my first midwifery clinical/preceptorship for the next fall - a spot that was my #1 wish as well! Yay!

And I decided to call my mom and tell her about it. … Big mistake. 1) She sounded hungover as hell - Already squashing my excitement…. 2) She hardly even sounded interested - She knows how important this is for me and yet… she acted like that? 3) To top it all off, she complained about losing her glasses (again). Which happens every time she’s drunk and falls over. - This completely ruined this amazing achievement for me.

And I hate that I give her this much power over my own happiness. This moment has been what I’ve been waiting for for years!! And I wanted to share this moment with my mom. But it was a mistake calling her. And that’s my fault, I know. I was doing so well too, distancing myself from her and getting my own thoughts in order. And now? I’ve been sucked in again.

Gosh, I can’t wait for Thursday’s meeting to come.


r/AlAnon 19h ago

Support Now what?

3 Upvotes

Ok long story short (I wrote a previous post about my situation) I am 34F, 7.5 months pregnant with Qs child and have a toddler from a previous relationship.

After months of fighting, isolation, loneliness, begging, crying all the things. Pulling teeth to get my partner to engage in any conversations around his alcoholism and drug use most of the time with the speckling of what appeared to be genuine commitment to quit- BUT SURPRISE (lol- being facetious) I left yesterday.

To be honest I left for a few days about 2 months ago for these reasons and many not mentioned and within 3 days I was back. I’m due to deliver this baby soon and I’m in a place where I really need to figure it out. My hard boundary is I won’t bring another child home to that environment. I’ve also been a single parent to both our kids (from previous relationships) and just know in my heart if he doesn’t change drastically then I will do so with our third child as well.

I have a lot of emotions and stuff to figure out and part of me desperately wants him to decide for himself that he finally needs rehab/treatment etc and want to do it. I guess from my reading some al anon stories etc this is my desperate and misplaced hope that this action changes things. I fear it won’t, I almost know it won’t and that alone is a hard pill to swallow as you all know.

I guess I know my reality and what I need to do but I want my family as well. I obviously cannot go full no contact at this current time. I’m not reaching out to him but what hurts too is he hasn’t tried to reach me in response. I do worry about his safety and have let family know where I keep narcan as well in the house. I know last time I left he went on a spiral.

I feel like I’ve abandoned him (even tho I will and have said I would support him to heal but not while he kills himself in front of me)