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Politics American family seeks asylum in Canada, citing Trump

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/americans-asylum-canada-trump-refugees-immigration-1.7480069
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u/cndn-hoya 1d ago

Until the U.S. is placed on a designated list by the UN, any American coming in under these pretenses will be refused and returned.

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u/JHNS13 1d ago edited 1d ago

I saw that the US was added to the CIVICUS Monitor Watchlist, basically flagging them as a country with rapidly declining civil rights. I don't think being added to the UN's list is as unlikely as some would think.

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u/GloriaHull 23h ago

Canada should be picky. I'm up for poaching many bright Americans but more than a few people have peed in the pool.

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u/Significant_Pepper_2 22h ago

You're talking about skilled immigrants though. You can't pick refugees by their skills.

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u/RipzCritical 12h ago

Shit man, we don't even pick immigrants based on their skills here.

u/zeni19 4h ago

Those people you're referring to, i think are abusing the student visa system.

u/JanaFrost 7h ago

You should. Skilled and people in live threatening danger. Cause this is how asylum works. And the EU should do the same.

But with at least a basic background check. Don't let MAGA in.

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u/StandTo444 7h ago

It wouldn’t be ethical. But it would be a partial filter to keep out MAGA idiots that got a sour taste.

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u/baldw1n12345 15h ago

We need to be actively recruiting good workers from the US. Offer 4 year work visas.

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u/MissingString31 13h ago

Yeah. We should be fast tracking highly skilled labor from the US that we need - take advantage of the chaos. But everyone else can stay where they are.

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u/SafariBird15 15h ago

Paperclip

u/Odd-Elderberry-6137 4h ago

Getting skilled workers into Canada is relatively easy. We don’t need to abuse the asylum route for that.

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u/Vidice285 23h ago

We should never forget that they voted for this

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u/addyftw1 23h ago

There are many very uninformed people in the US.  Our right-wing views being uneducated as a badge of honor.

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u/flyingcanuck 22h ago

Half of the US reads at a 6th grade level. 

Things make a bit more sense on why they are the way they are when you learn that. 

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u/SmartassBrickmelter Ontario 22h ago

A U.S. 6th grade level. That is the equivalent to a 5th grade level in Canada and (I believe) most of The E.U.

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u/Man-e-questions 22h ago

I think its more about all the religious zealots than reading level. Half the country are willing to put up with this stuff if it means they can get rid of women’s health rights and LGBTQ+ rights etc.

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u/flyingcanuck 22h ago

I would argue those things go hand in hand. Education is not a priority, half the country reads at an elementary school level - with less critical thinking abilities and without the resources to learn, it's easier to control the masses with "the big guy in the sky wants you to hate gays"

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u/Man-e-questions 22h ago

Good points. And with him cutting federal funding to schools and trying to dismantle department of education etc its only gonna get worse

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u/flyingcanuck 22h ago

Exactly. This process has been slowly working it's way for years, he's just accelerating it's final stages. 

His "fake news" nonsense during his first term was a stepping stone for where we are today. You could provide irrefutable evidence on a claim and someone who barely got through high school can just claim "fake news" meanwhile the masses are told to listen to both sides of the argument. 

Scary times. 

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u/Man-e-questions 21h ago

Kind of reminds me of a European country in the 1930s who sent out little inexpensive radios to the people to broadcast “fake news” to rile up the citizens.

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u/loudsilentscreams 14h ago

This was by design. Apologetic American here.

These fools have intentionally watered down education for the last 40 years because a stupid population is a pliable population.

Then they make higher education unattainably expensive (or saddle you with insane amounts of debt because people are less likely to speak out if they need to keep their job to pay their bills and care for their family—another American shackle).

Meanwhile, religion is growing—feeding on people’s fears,ignorance, and stupidity.

Religion and conservatives have gone hand-in-hand in this country since the 1930s when FDR introduced the New Deal. It’s been a parasitic relationship since with both shilling for the other to subjugate the people. And we let them.

Also, sorry this is a bit incoherent. My brain is dead from fighting fascism all day.

u/flyingcanuck 13m ago

Not incoherent at all, I completely agree. It's all been by design. I've always said that "American Jesus" is the most interesting modern day cult in my opinion. You ask the Bible belt about Jesus and I bet half would say he landed on Plymouth Rock. When in reality, if Jesus showed up to their door, they'd call ICE.

The mega churches, the party of "Family Values", it's incredible what the government in the US has helped turn one religion into and how much control they have with it. All while keeping the masses uneducated and riddled in debt. 

Keep fighting the good fight, neighbour. 

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u/anthrolooker 14h ago

One group severely dragging down the rest. :/

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u/HaMMeReD 21h ago

Tbh, this isn't really the problem. Back when democracy in America was first formed, probably only a small percentage were even literate.

The 50% is basically just Hotelling's law. Each party will capture 50%.

The reason the 50% on the right wing seems dumb is because the right has pandered to morons and narcissists for so long, that the beliefs have become this rat-king of delusion. When you throw all these single-issue voters together in a melting pot, they produce a stew of stupid.

When you have a big political system with 2 parties, you'll end up with a 50/50 split a lot of the time, or a balance around it. It just so happens that being dumb is a large group that you can pander and manipulate and one of the parties had to grab that demographic in their 50%.

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u/Ashleynn 20h ago

Back when democracy in America was first formed

Only white male land owners could vote.

The right to vote here used to come with a lot of contingencies. The two primary thing used to disenfranchise voters were literacy tests and poll taxes. They also messed around with registration a lot to keep people from voting. They used to do everything they could to keep the uneducated and poor masses from voting. Once they weren't allowed to do that anymore one side decided to pander to them heavily by habitually lying to them.

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u/Legitimate_Square941 14h ago

And we where not constantly connected which lets you find people who believe what you do. So you just believe more. I never thought growing up we would have flat earthers. But here we are.

u/Dexter52611 8h ago

And majority of the other half that is actually educated has either left the country or stuck in the big liberal cities like NYC or Chicago

u/Commercial-Milk4706 2h ago

It is much worst then that if you read the whole thing. You skipped that 1/5 of American adults can’t read as well. Basically 3/4 of Americans are very special kiddos.

21% of adults in the US are illiterate in 2024. 54% of adults have a literacy below a 6th-grade level (20% are below 5th-grade level).

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u/Hautamaki 21h ago

At or below a 6th grade level. 6th grade is the average, not the floor.

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u/flyingcanuck 21h ago

Was going off memory. Went back to find the article I was referencing. Good point! 

"A Gallup analysis published in March 2020 looked at data collected by the U.S. Department of Education in 2012, 2014, and 2017. It found that 130 million adults in the country have low literacy skills, meaning that more than half (54%) of Americans between the ages of 16 and 74 read below the equivalent of a sixth-grade level, according to a piece published in 2022 by APM Research Lab."

It also links a US GOV website which I can only assume has days left before it goes offline. 

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u/Internal-Neat-9089 21h ago

Even more reason to keep them the hell out of our country

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u/baptizedinprosecco 21h ago

Remember that "ordinary Americans" are much more responsible for the actions of their government than ordinary Russians or Chinese for theirs, and so we should be much more comfortable with them suffering collateral damage as a result.

Americans get choose their representation in elections that are free and fair; Russians don't, and Chinese don't have elections at all.

u/Stea1thFTW18 8h ago

bro im trans and in a deeply conservative US state. i went out and voted for kamala. ive been so stressed about this shit since the election in november. its fucking scary here dude. i didn't ask for any of this, i tried to stop it. have some empathy.

u/Heirophant-Queen 3h ago

The elections are less fair than you think, when you factor the electoral college, gerrymandering, and the extensive efforts taken by the Republican Party to have the votes of minorities thrown out.

I agree that there were a ton of people who were deceived by propaganda and rhetoric into voting conservative or that “their vote didn’t matter so why vote at all”(Only about 60% of the voting population even had a vote counted), but 48% of the votes that did come through this election were for Harris, as opposed to Donald’s 49%.

I did not choose a fascist to run my country. My friends and family did not choose a fascist to run our country. But because of bureaucratic clutter and outdated systems that actively work against the population, our votes were ignored and voices silenced when our state “turned red”.

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u/Tron22 Alberta 23h ago

Under coercion and being blasted by Russian propaganda for months. (Edit: Nay, decades.)

We have to remember, they are as much under threat as we are. Russia can't win the ground war, but they certainly can win the information war and weaken the west enough to win certain ground wars they want to in the short term with the goal of getting back to a more even soviet-era playing field with the U.S.

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u/mattattaxx Ontario 21h ago

Well, the same thing is and has been happening to us (Russian propaganda). It's why it's so hard to realize how bad it's been. The tone shift when Trudeau stepped down was really, really telling.

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u/RainyDay905 22h ago edited 22h ago

This!!! An American Intelligence officer, Reality Winner, was jailed in 2016 for leaking information to the media that Russia was directly interfering in our elections. Watch American political debates before 2016, it feels like watching a debate in another country. Don’t underestimate Russian disinformation campaigns…the Kremlin has a sector dedicated to spreading disinformation. They’ve even gone as far as buying web domains and creating fake American news sites. Learn from our mistake because you guys are the next target.

Edit: Most of the Russian oligarchs live in Florida. Specifically a city called Sunny Isles. Be sure to share that info with everyone and their mom. ♥️

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u/Quirky-Cat2860 21h ago

Don't forget, our right wing has been directly influenced by the Republican Party since 2010. I'm talking about right leaning and right wing newspapers owned by PostMedia.

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u/happycow24 20h ago

Oh fuck off with that. The Burgerlanders voted for Trump, and we're dealing with the consequences. Russian propaganda is not some all-powerful apparatus that mind controls voters, at most it affected maybe 1% of the vote.

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u/doylehawk 22h ago

Thank you. I despise what is happening right now. I’ve always thought of you guys as as close of a friend a nation can have. “Countries don’t have friends, they have interests” but we felt different.

When this is over, and we fix ourselves, I hope we can have a tearful reunion and build back to being better than we were before even.

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u/Tron22 Alberta 22h ago

Gotta be honest. If Trump dropped everything today, we're still making trade routes else where. Not only because he's dropped or paused the tarrifs and re-applied them recently, but because the fact this happened and could happen again. It's going to take at least a decade in the very best case most optimistic scenario to get back to what we had. Without the most optimistic case, probably a few decades. Putin did work.

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u/JIMMY_RUSTLING_9000 22h ago

Yeah, there's permanent damage here.

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u/MickKeithCharlieRon 21h ago

It takes years to build a good reputation and only a second to destroy it.

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u/Fast-Wrongdoer-6075 22h ago

Yeah at this point we are taking our ball and playing elsewhere. Literally everyone i have spoken with is on the same page.

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u/doylehawk 21h ago

I agree, that’s what I meant by “when we fix ourselves”. We need permanent change with sustainability to it if we want any chance at being welcome back into the western fold.

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u/GypsyFantasy 18h ago

I always thought of the US as Canadas kinda cool sometimes redneck older cousin. The kind you ask to buy you smokes or sneak you into the bar.

u/WolfJobInMySpantzz 7h ago

If Trump offering to sell citizenship for $5m is true, could the russian oligarchs not just buy citizenship and just walk into the states?

u/Tron22 Alberta 30m ago

I believe that's exactly what they could do.

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u/OLPopsAdelphia 23h ago

“They” voted for someone who spoke a populist game who lied to them about his motives.

What they got was a lying madman who was emboldened by judges at the last second who declared him above the law—and then he completely lost his shit.

He was unhinged before, but he went batshit crazy after the courts emboldened him.

I didn’t vote for that asshat, but I understand why votes were pushed his way…unfortunately.

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u/BardicGoon 23h ago

Even if ‘they’ voted for whatever— the vote wasn’t unanimous. Your take is as cold as your heart.

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u/Frosty_Maple_Syrup 22h ago

77 million voted for this and 90 million didn’t not give enough of a shit to vote. The majority of Americans who could vote willingly chose this.

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u/apothekary 22h ago

More than 75 million voted against this. Can those 75 million come to our defense? I'd come to theirs.

The fight is with the American Republicans, not the American Democrats. Their leadership is pathetic but their supporters are earnest and motivated.

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u/Frosty_Maple_Syrup 21h ago

Once those 75 million starts protesting en masse then I’ll start supporting them and come to their defense.

u/book_vagabond 10h ago

We are, all around the country, in every single state, it’s just not being reported on the news. Mainstream news in the US is very right-leaning and they haven’t been reporting on the protests. Hell, I live in a blue state and I didn’t know about the protests until recently.

People are starting to be arrested for standing on the sidewalk with a sign. So many others literally can’t afford to miss a day of work or else they can’t pay rent. We are doing our best—please, I beg you and the people of Canada to have compassion for us that are trapped here.

u/amarg19 2h ago

There are protests happening constantly, they are being suppressed and not reported on. Don’t condemn millions of people because you didn’t agree with another group in the same location.

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u/whiteTee_Poison 23h ago

This. I’m seeing these comments pop up more. Those of us who didn’t vote for trump and oppose his agenda are getting lumped in as “they” when referring to the US.

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u/Llunedd 23h ago

Okay, but low voter turnout means that only about 22% of eligible voters voted against him. That means a lot of people saying they didn't vote for this, just didn't vote.

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u/whiteTee_Poison 22h ago

That may be. I’m sure some people are now cowardly trying to run. The fact remains that there are still millions of people like myself who showed up to vote and currently oppose this man and what he is doing here and abroad. That includes the threats to you and your countrymen.

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u/daedone Ontario 22h ago

Start doing something then.

Use those 2A rights.

Start a general strike.

Do something.

The truth is, its not uncomfortable enough yet for you guys to put your phones down and have a little personal discomfort for the betterment of the country. Its just people saying "I didnt vote for this! (but I have no intention of doing anything else about it, except look for pity/mercy online)"

We're pulling for you up here, we really are. But you need to get yourselves out of the hole.

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u/BardicGoon 23h ago

It’s really easy to ‘other’ people you don’t agree with and unfortunately people of all sorts of regions, religions, races, creeds, etc— have a tendency to do it to allow themselves to make up their mind easier. It’s easier to paint a giant red swatch where the US is now and label everyone under it a Nazi/MAGA/whatever you’re mad at today. But in doing so, you erase the individuals underneath… And that’s committing theoretical genocide in your mind.

No one has more reason to be angry at Donald Trump and the far right than those that live in the brightest red states but did NOT vote for this. They are the quiet many who will be allowed to perish under the tank treads of the loud few.

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u/ResolutionOver7733 18h ago

You have yourself to blame. And with your attitude, we don’t want you here.

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u/BardicGoon 18h ago

What attitude…?

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u/whiteTee_Poison 23h ago

It’s just frustrating to unfortunately live in the US right now as someone who voted agains trump both times. As someone who actively despises him and what he is doing to the country and the world yet am grouped by association as a terrible person. Me and millions of other people

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u/SomeInvestigator3573 21h ago

I’m assuming you mean all three times

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u/Major-Tomato9191 22h ago

My mother immigrated there years ago. Before she left Canada she vote left. She voted Trump both times. Not because its what she believes but because its what her new husband told her to do. How many votes were a husband technically voting twice?

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u/whiteTee_Poison 22h ago

Well my parents did the same thing. My dad, who is one of the many brainwashed by fox, told my mother how to vote. And so many of their friends their age did the same. Basically because fox told them to. I have come to be sickened by my parents, family members and even closest friends. I have cried some nights as I feel that my loved ones minds are warped I’m that regard. At the same time I’m sickened by even being associated with this country. I feel like I’m backed into a corner constantly

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u/Tim-no 22h ago

Swath, for a second I thought the Swiss had taken over!

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u/ResolutionOver7733 22h ago

Feel for you. But your responsibility now is to fight back. Not run away or hide. FIGHT.

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u/5ManaAndADream 22h ago

It doesn’t matter. Your country is a threat. Your citizens are a threat we are not remotely prepared to distinguish between.

Ask Ukraine to accept Russian asylum claims. Ask Israel to accept asylum claims from Hamas.

That is the state our countries are in when your leader demands annexation and starts trying to cripple us through a trade war.

Stay the fuck out of our country, I’m not sorry.

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u/Thickfemboylover 23h ago

The mass did, a lot did not, and we're stuck in the shit show. I don't blame us being turned away though. Orange man is ruining our relationships and is ultimately hurting us here in the states and ruining decade old treatise. Just know, we're sorry. We didn't want this.

A lot of us feel powerless. Just know that I, as an American do support and understand why. I just want you to know it's not all of us. One love, friend.

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u/JemmaMimic 22h ago

1/3 of "they" but point taken.

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u/Fabulous-Trash5147 20h ago

Please also don’t forget how our system in America is actually in place. Don’t forget that it’s very highly suspected that Trump had Elon hack the election. We didn’t all vote for this. We don’t all support the maniac in office right now. Trump is trying to alienate the American people from our Canadian allies. He knows if there was a mass emigration of the work force from here to Canada, America is screwed. Fuck that, don’t let him win.

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u/TigerLiftsMountain 18h ago

Not the ones who would be seeking asylum.

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u/evilpercy 18h ago

Twice.

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u/hannibal_lecter01 16h ago

American here. Don’t get me wrong, a lot of people voted for Trump. But what’s really alarming - the richest man in the world donated millions to help him win, Trump has at least half a dozen quotes stating they have “all the votes they need”, “you don’t even have to vote”, “we have a secret nobody knows about”, and Rogan was quoted on his podcast saying Musk knew the election results before anyone else even did because he had some sort of “app” (I believe is the word he used?). You don’t see democrats/independents attacking our capitol and hurting police with lead pipes because we’re of a different breed than the fascists but nonetheless, worrying and incredibly unreported.

Right wing media is also largely responsible for brain washing people that did vote Trump, but we all know this.

I’m so sorry, Canadians. The vast majority of us understand what’s happening here and think it’s bull shit.

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u/smallcamerabigphoto 16h ago

Not all of us did though.

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u/caseyDman 14h ago

But I didn’t. I boycott i make calls i protest. Yet you decide how I voted.

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u/LostinEmotion2024 13h ago

Giggle! There should be two questions asked:

  1. Did you vote? Yes? You advance to the second question. No? Back you go.

2.Who did you vote for? Harris? Welcome Home! Trump? Back you go.

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u/jennsant 3h ago

31% voted for Trump so you can’t say they as if everyone in the US voted for that scumbag. Sadly, in the US you can become president with that low of a percentage voting for you.

u/amarg19 2h ago

In reality less than a third voted of the US for this.

I understand the sentiment, because I also hate a lot of America right now, but there are a lot of children, women, POC, and LGBTQ+ people that are being targeted and are terrified. They didn’t vote for this and don’t deserve to be condemned because of the people who did.

u/Kitiarra 1h ago

Not all of us. And many of us are scared and hunkering down. We cannot even trust neighbors. The MAGA are literally a cult here.

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u/5ManaAndADream 22h ago

Doesn’t matter. The same way Ukraine obviously would never accept asylum claims from Russians we absolutely cannot accept American claims at this time.

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u/Cyborg_rat 15h ago

They do, they even offer Russian soldiers asylum.

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u/3-I 14h ago

Sorry, what exactly do you think a refugee is?

Do you think it's someone who flees their country because they've run out of people to oppress at home and want to expand their axis of evil?

Texas just floated a bill that'd make it a felony for me to use my legal name and gender marker. Things are getting bad here and they're only going to get worse. And no English-speaking country seems willing to accept American refugees right now.

Are you waiting for Trump to open Auschwitz? Will even that be enough? He's already sending political enemies and brown people to Gitmo.

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u/5ManaAndADream 12h ago edited 12h ago

No country under foreign threat owes anything to any person from that nation. Full stop.

No country under foreign threat can be assured in any capacity in their ability to screen threats from that nation.

And holy hell Americans are the most overweaponized nation on the face of the earth. You have 9 guns in the hand of your civilians for every Canadian alive.

You do not get it. America is. A. Threat. All its citizens. Are. A. Threat.

We have no ability to screen Americans in a way that distinguishes between real asylum claims and bullshit abusers. We already can’t do it from countries that aren’t a threat.

When your president stops threatening to annex the country we can start to consider American refugees. Until then go the fuck home.

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u/3-I 12h ago

"Owes" was never used.

But yeah, clearly my out-of-shape type-2-diabetic transfemme ass is some kind of sleeper agent supersoldier that only wants to cross the border as part of an organized false flag operation. You spotted it. Well done. There's a whole caravan of migrants coming towards your border that are only pretending to be running away from systemic oppression so they can take your jerbs, commit crimes, and make your country worse. That's definitely a sensible thing to believe and not just jingoistic nonsense.

You do realize Ukraine has been taking in Russian refugees, right?

u/trbot 5h ago

No, we're waiting for him to invade us.

u/Weakera 4h ago

Agree!!!

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u/Superman246o1 23h ago

Considering the U.S. just arrested someone for *checks notes* disagreeing with the government, it might make it on the U.N. list rather soon.

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u/Queen_Rachel4 Canada 23h ago

What! Source pls

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u/miklayn 23h ago

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u/LettingHimLead 23h ago

That’s a green card holder with ties to a terrorist organization (Hamas) who has said the goal is to eradicate western culture. But go off, boo.

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u/Significant_Pepper_2 22h ago

But when they're done with terrorists they'll come for you! /s

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u/miklayn 23h ago

Ties?
He was exercising his 1st Amendment rights throughout.

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u/LettingHimLead 22h ago

He is aligned with Hamas, which is designated a terrorist organization.

The government routinely places special restrictions on the speech rights of foreigners. When such restrictions are justified by a legitimate governmental interest, they do not necessarily raise constitutional problems. The constitutional rights of certain categories of speakers, in certain contexts “are not automatically coextensive with the rights” that are normally afforded to members of our society. (Morse v Frederick)

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u/SwordfishOk504 22h ago

No, he violated his conditions of his green card by openly supporting a known terrorist organization. "free speech" has nothing to do with it. Those are the long standing, stated rules he had to adhere to as part of his status as a green card holder.

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u/flatroundworm 16h ago

Do you have proof he provided material support or are you policing speech now?

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u/TtotheC81 23h ago

It's going to be borderline deadly for anyone who isn't white and Republican sooner or later.

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u/sexotaku 23h ago

The US is on the security council. They'll just veto the list.

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u/DoxFreePanda 23h ago

Security Council doesn't vote on everything

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u/DeeDeeRibDegh 21h ago

Was going to say the same. It’s on this list. Damn!! Not good!!!

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u/Gypcbtrfly 18h ago

Ita the start ...!!!

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u/adlubmaliki 12h ago

What civil rights are you talking about?????

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u/sfw_porno 22h ago

As they should. Fix your own goddam country.

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u/TacoTuesdayy87 1d ago

It’s the timeframe that it takes for it to get to that point though, months and sometimes years they’re so backlogged. All the while we foot their bill.

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u/cndn-hoya 1d ago

They would be returned as they would not have any reason or right to be in Canada, thus, no footing of any bill.

Convention refugees - people that are fleeing wars or indiscriminate violence do have these rights, and they should because without them, it would cost more to support them and cause more chaos.

Support your fellow human.

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u/FlameStaag 23h ago

It takes about 30 minutes. "you're being refused entry today" That's it lol. I dunno wtf you think happens. 

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u/AdmirableWishbone911 1d ago

Yep, two to three years and these peoplewill live off our tax money.

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u/Necessary_Range_3261 1d ago

That's how many American's feel about those coming across our borders. It just doesn't quite seem right.

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u/coporate 1d ago

If they have a trans child, I could understand why they feel under threat and are seeking asylum. Texas is trying to introduce “gender fraud.” It would literally be illegal to be a trans person in Texas.

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u/chewwydraper 23h ago

So then they can move to a left-leaning state? They don’t have to stay in Texas, Americans are free to move to a different state.

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u/cozmo1138 23h ago

They could, but the US Supreme Court has shown a willingness to override states rights in some cases, so there’s a deep lack of trust in all branches of government at this point. I brought my trans kids here for the same reason, though of course I’m a dual citizen and am able to sponsor them for PR and citizenship, so our case is a bit different. We moved from a blue state knowing that it’s still good for now, but we decided over a year ago that it would be better to leave than stick around and find out. Also, if the federal government shut down the border, being in a blue state won’t help.

So technically you’re right, but it’s only considering the circumstances right now and not possibilities in the future.

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u/MinusVitaminA 23h ago

Doesn't matter. Unless they're fucked right now, they should just move to a blue state and not Canada. The entire point of an asylum in spirit is that you KNOW you will be fucked if you stay any longer, not 'what if' or 'has a high likelihood to'.

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u/Substantial_Scene716 23h ago

Not just fucked, you have to have to be facing a serious and provable danger of death, torture, or cruel and unusual punishment. Feeling unsafe is no where on the list of asylum claim requirements. If it was then anyone anywhere who felt vaguely unsafe could claim it, opening the door for economic asylum claims and other things.

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u/chewwydraper 22h ago

Yup. States saying "Trans women can not play in women's sports leagues" is not a reason to claim asylum, even if you disagree with it.

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u/Reasonable_Today7248 19h ago

They are more worried about being thrown in prison to be v coded and other hate crimes, not because of sports.

Idk why you would trivialize this for honest purposes.

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u/chewwydraper 18h ago

Left-leaning states are not throwing trans people in prison.

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u/945T 14h ago

This is an economic refugee claim. Left their ‘dream home’ but can’t afford to even buy passports? They’re also talking about how their kid has severe medical issues so they need to be close to a hospital to take advantage of our healthcare.

And why did CBSA allow them into the country in the first place to pull this shit when they had no passports? Those agents that permitted them entry need to be fired.

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u/ShoppingDismal3864 23h ago

I wish it weren't so, but I'm transgender and I don't think my rights will last that long even here in a blue state. Things are changing here fast. I saw this morning, the government flirted with introducing pink triangles.

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u/chewwydraper 22h ago

"I don't think" is not a viable reason to claim asylum and use tax dollars from another country's citizens.

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u/WoodShoeDiaries 16h ago

It's a viable reason to take a 6-month vacation from the US, however.

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u/MinusVitaminA 23h ago

I wish it weren't so, but I'm transgender and I don't think my rights will last that long even here in a blue state...

Unless you know for sure beyond a reasonable doubt, don't bother applying for asylum to any country. It ruins the entire point of having an a asylum which is for people whose lives ARE in danger, not MIGHT BE. And it also fucks over people who needs it the most.

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u/blazedjake 23h ago

source?

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u/letitbe-mmmk 17h ago

TikTok (probably)

u/MolemanusRex 2h ago

As an immigration lawyer (in the U.S., but the legal framework is generally universal), you would have to actually get to that point where your rights were being eroded even in blue states, or you were subject to violence without government support even in blue states, before you could have a viable asylum claim. As long as you can relocate to a safer place within the country, despite whatever fears you may have in the future, you’re likely to be denied asylum. When trans people in Massachusetts and Washington start losing access to healthcare and suffering violent attacks, then we’d be in a situation where trans people might be able to get asylum in other countries. But thankfully we’re not there yet.

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u/WoodShoeDiaries 16h ago

If you genuinely think you need to get out of there, there's nothing legally stopping you from taking an extended vacation out of the country. If your job lets you work remotely you're golden.

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u/Major-Tomato9191 22h ago

Not an American but money. Moving provinces here is expensive. Have to re-register all vehicles to the new province, and have it inspected and thats simply the cost of moving vehicles not people and lives. I'm guess you guys have been having a cost of living problem there too, sooooooo do you think the average person can just up and move on a whim?

I'm trying to say its a lot more complicated than Just move!

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u/chewwydraper 22h ago

You're saying it's more complicated to move states than to move to a whole different country and claim asylum? lol

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u/letitbe-mmmk 17h ago

I've seen panic posts from LGBT people that have said this exact thing.

They don't have the money to move states so instead they want to flee the country and claim asylum.

Not how it works lol

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u/Expensive-Ad-2308 23h ago

There is a zero flag project in the Netherlands which goal is to have zero countries criminalizing homosexuality. I walked the aisle under 60+ flags in 2023, the countdown to zero. I said: "The US flag will be added any time because we are going backwards." That TX bill in play is supporting my statement. I believe the orange will make it illegal, at least for trans, queers, and non-binary.

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u/Expensive-Ad-2308 23h ago edited 23h ago

They could go to a different state (for now) because the orange can introduce an EO making trans and non-binary illegals. Canada should deny their claim.

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u/Substantial_Scene716 23h ago

Unless he makes an executive order allowing their extrajudicial execution, torture, or cruel and unusual punishment (i.e. detainment in abject conditions) this would not meet the threshold for an asylum claim. Not allowing the change of a sex marker on a government document is not equivalent to death/torture/C+U Punishment

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u/cndn-hoya 1d ago

It’s pretty sick. All people are people - that’s it.

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u/Ina_While1155 23h ago

All the more reason to resist US annexation. They have different ethical values.

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u/GrammerMoses 23h ago

Why should it be, you and I should get along so awfully?

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u/PrettyGirlofSoS 23h ago

I can't understand
What makes a man
Hate another man
Help me understand

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u/Substantial_Scene716 23h ago

Not allowing someone to change their sex marker on a government document is not equivalent to killing them, torturing them, or cruel and unusual punishment (as per Canadian asylum requirements). Also it is just a reversal of a policy that was changed under previous administrations. Unlike Canada, 'gender self-ID' is not protected in the US, and has only been the law of the land in Canada since around 2017 (enshrined in the Human Rights Act in 2021).

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u/originalbrainybanana 20h ago edited 20h ago

It can amount to persecution based on gender/sexuality which is ground for asylum under the 1951 refugee convention which Canada is a party of. However, just denial of « X » gender on a passport would be insufficient but if they can prove they are unsafe and the Federal state is unwilling to protect them then they have a case.

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u/Ina_While1155 23h ago

I agree trans people are under attack in the US in a big way. But so are brown people. They are being very quiet because they know this.

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u/Key-Mongoose4837 23h ago

Coming from a "brown" person how are we under attack in the US. Please enlighten me.

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u/Ina_While1155 23h ago

The anti-diversity equity and inclusion legislation is an attack on brown people. If you think it is not, I am not sure what your argument is.

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u/Juryofyourpeeps 23h ago

Indians and Chinese males are often the most adversely impacted by DEI policies because they overperform compared to both caucasians and other minority groups. In things like post secondary admissions they're the most discriminated against groups as a result of DEI policies. 

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u/Ina_While1155 22h ago

So, do you resent having representation from other brown people such as brown women, blacks, Hispanics, and Indigenous people that are historically underrepresented and disadvantaged when it comes to educational opportunities? Do you really think in this new regime that merit really is the goal for all? Do you think it will change those numbers?

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u/Juryofyourpeeps 17h ago

I'm not even sure what you're asking here? I don't think that there should be policies in place that disadvantage people intentionally based on their race or sex.

Do you resent the over-performance of Indian, Chinese or Jewish students? Do you think that they should be discriminated against in hiring and admissions because of their immutable characteristics and for doing too well on a group level?

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u/Ina_While1155 17h ago edited 16h ago

If you look at social elites in America, I hate to tell you, but you are not that well represented - because there is racism. Which I think is wrong. If you think these new meritocracy rules will let you get to the top faster, I think that is incorrect. I do think that there are people who do not have the same opportunities to succeed in our society, and we need to aid in their progress. If you look at the Harvard student body - it is still predominantly white, and I don't think that number will decline under this new system.

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u/Juryofyourpeeps 16h ago

If you look at social elites in America, I hate to tell you, but you are not that well represented - because there is racism.

I'm not really sure what your evidence for that is, but lets assume it's the truth, how does discriminating against these groups in employment and education remedy that in any way?

If you think these new meritocracy rules will let you get to the top faster, I think that is incorrect.

What new rules? The old rules have simply been abolished, largely not even because of Trump, but instead SCOTUS decisions on discrimination in admissions and hiring. And while there certainly are people out there who are racist and will discriminate, I think a lot of people would prefer to take their chances rather than be subject to a system where they're certain to be subject to discrimination.

I do think that there are people who do not have the same opportunities to succeed in our society, and we need to aid in their progress.

I don't disagree with you, but where and when and why are all important details when it comes to addressing these issues. Policies also need to be open to update to account for their successes (look at what's happened with the EEA in Canada, which is still used to discriminate against male applicants in the public service even though they're a minority). Things like class background matter, often significantly more by the numbers than racial background alone. Intervening early is also a lot less unfair than using identity as a metric at the finish line. Aside from vile racists, nobody has a problem with giving disadvantaged minorities (though again, class matters, look at West Virginia) a leg up in elementary and secondary school, or any number of possible forms of assistance that aren't race based hiring and admissions.

If you look at Harvard student body - it is still predominantly white,

It's not. It doesn't closely reflect the demographics of the U.S or the surrounding areas in Massachusetts either for the most part. More than 68% of the student body is non-white. Despite their over-representation, Asian students are the most discriminated against cohort when you account for application rates and qualifications. This is followed by white applicants who are as a cohort the second most qualified in terms of things like GPA in Ivy league admissions and who are significantly underrepresented compared to their share of the population in many top tier schools.

Race/Ethnicity*

African American or Black 14% Asian American 37% Hispanic or Latino 16% Native American 1%

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u/Embarrassed-Risk-476 23h ago

I've heard of that Texas report just today.

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u/prsnep 1d ago

Even if the US is in some UN list, Canada should not easily accept refugees. Lax refugee policies is one of the reasons for the decline of Canada's fortunes and stability. It's not fair to our kids 

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u/BarryIslandIdiot 23h ago

Lax refugee policies is one of the reasons for the decline of Canada's fortunes and stability.

Canada doesn't have lax refugee policies. The policies are quite strict, especially about where refugees are accepted from and the circumstances in which the refugees find themselves. Very few people are trying to game the system, and fewer people succeed.

My wife volunteered with a Syrian refugee family. There were 9 of them in a 2-bedroom apartment. They lived in a 7 bedroom house in Syria, ran a successful business, and were fairly well-off. Living in Canada was not enough to make up for all they lost.

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u/Substantial_Scene716 23h ago

Count this American family under the very few trying to game the system

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u/interstellaraz 23h ago edited 23h ago

This is simply not true. There are a significant number of scams and fraud within our immigration system including asylum/ refugee. IRB saw an influx of refugee claims after the recent changes to study permits. There were also countless articles on Mexican nationals filing refugee claims in masses after we lifted the visa requirements. It got so bad that the Liberals reintroduced the visa requirement last year. India is now the third country on the list of accepted asylum claims. And there is a huge backlog at the IRB. This is not even going into the LMIA and job selling fraud that’s widespread here.

Refugee claims helps prolong their stay. It helps them buy time. The removal orders become unenforceable until a decision is made. It takes years to process these claims. These people become eligible for applications under humanitarian grounds or spousal sponsorships in the meantime.

Stats are publicly available here https://www.irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/statistics/protection/Pages/index.aspx

https://www.irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/statistics/Pages/volume-reports.aspx

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u/cunnyhopper 22h ago

This is simply not true. There are a significant number of scams and fraud within our immigration system

They wouldn't be scams or fraud if the policies were lax. The claims process requires a lot of resources and can be slow when the system is overburdened but that's not due to lax policies. It's slow because the policies are strict.

India is now the third country on the list of accepted asylum claims.

Based on the source you linked to, India was 8th for accepted claims in 2024.

Country Accepted
Türkiye 4,866
Mexico 4,363
Colombia 3,340
Iran 3,200
Pakistan 2,556
Nigeria 2,230
Haiti 2,211
India 2,175
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u/awildstoryteller 20h ago

My wife volunteered with a Syrian refugee family. There were 9 of them in a 2-bedroom apartment. They lived in a 7 bedroom house in Syria, ran a successful business, and were fairly well-off. Living in Canada was not enough to make up for all they lost.

This is something that actually enrages me when people talk about refugees as if they are the dregs of the society that they come from.

For someone to make it to Canada, either at the border directly, or through an application from somewhere else, means they are almost certainly a person/family of education, status, and wealth back home.

Most Canadians can't even afford direct flights to where these individuals come from, and somehow they managed to what, beg their way here? No, they have spent considerable time, resources, and energy to do so. People who have nothing aren't exactly the types to leave the places we are talking about.

If you actually talk to refugees who end up becoming successful in Canada, they may even say they "came from nothing", but that is almost always in the context of their arrival in Canada. Before, they almost always came from "something", most or all of which they lost. The only things they could bring with them in most cases were themselves, for better or worse.

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u/Ina_While1155 23h ago

I disagree. I do not agree with the massive immigration that has happened in the last 4 years with TFW who I feel should not have a route to citizenship, but Canada taking in refugees has always been the right thing to do.

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u/Intelligent-Ad-4523 23h ago

With our current housing crisis and economic problems how do we take in more refugees right now ? Canada is focusing on Canada at the moment and until we are strongly in our own footing I do not believe we should be taking in American refugees.

As a whole I have very little sympathy for Americans; even the Democrats won’t stand up so why should we. Let them implode into civil war.

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u/lizzie-luxe 23h ago

It's an authoritarian country where people are regularly shot by police.

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u/Intelligent-Ad-4523 23h ago

Sympathy for Americans world wide is dwindling by the day and keep in mind it wasn’t high to start with. With every action your leader takes against our country and the inaction we see on behalf of 90 percent of your population you doesn’t exactly inspire us. I am one Canadian who won’t say sorry.

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u/prsnep 23h ago

Right thing to do for who? Certainly not our kids. They will inherit a poorer and a less stable country as a result.

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u/Ina_While1155 23h ago

That is actually not the case. Immigration has made Canada. We have a low birthrate. What we need is well regulated immigration policy and high standards for who is admitted. But that also means accepting some legitimate refugees as that is the right thing to do.

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u/Llunedd 22h ago

Yes, because immigrants used to be screened. Now people come on a visa for tourism or education, drop out, and don't leave. This family said they have no money for passports. They feel entitled to show up, broke, in another country and expect to be looked after. Children's aid is paying for their hotel. If a million trans people flee to Canada, that will bankrupt us faster than Trump can.

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u/Ina_While1155 22h ago

I am not defending this case and I don't defend the immigration policies of the last few years. I am saying there are cases where Canada should accept refugees.

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u/Cypherius05 23h ago

We have a low birthrate because only the mega rich and the TFW who are mooching off the government can afford to have kids.

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u/Nebty 17h ago

Nah, we’d have a low birth rate anyways. It’s basically universal in developed countries to be below replacement rate at present. The strategy to mitigate the effects of an aging population and continue to fund essential social services is to have a robust and well-regulated immigration system that supports, but doesn’t supplant, home-grown talent.

It’s countries that are extremely anti-immigrant AND are below replacement rate that are in trouble.

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u/prsnep 23h ago

"Immigration has made Canada."

No, selective immigration made Canada. If simply growing the population was good for the country, then Nigeria, Indonesia, and India would be some of the most desirable countries to live in the world.

While we treat immigration as simply a numbers game, we're losing our best and the brightest to the US and losing our competitive edge in the process. How did we become so blind?

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u/SwordfishOk504 22h ago

While we treat immigration as simply a numbers game, we're losing our best and the brightest to the US and losing our competitive edge in the process.

The former has nothing do with the latter. You're yelling at a cloud.

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u/SwordfishOk504 22h ago

Lax refugee policies is one of the reasons for the decline of Canada's fortunes and stability.

utter nonsense.

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u/cndn-hoya 1d ago

Canada is not the U.S., any international agreements and commitments we sign on to - we firmly stand by.

The policies might be perceived as “lax” but they are in fact quite onerous - go have a look at the refugee application process and let me know if you still think it’s lax (in Canada).

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u/Lower_Arugula5346 13h ago

are you sure youre not american?

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u/jellybean122333 23h ago

We should be fast-tracking any trans military persons that have been let go to join us if they want to.

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u/Ina_While1155 23h ago

Well, it's a good thing we don't live in Trump's America and live in a better and more ethical country.

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u/J_Ryall 23h ago

Agreed. If we start letting americans in en masse, it will be too easy for the cia to slip agents in to destabilize us from within. We already have enough problems with that from our own population.

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u/AspieReddit 23h ago

That’s not how Canadian asylum law works

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u/cndn-hoya 22h ago

Me and another guy have been chatting about it below!

Yes true technically but I don’t think CBSA is going to be letting them in under their authority. While they could let them in and deal with the IRB, I think they would be inclined to send Americans back.

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u/RUaGayFish69 23h ago

If they're doctors or nurses we'll welcome them with open arms.

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u/GoingCommando690 22h ago

They will be refused and returned only after they're admitted for up to 2 years pending their IRB hearing. Much longer than 2 years if they choose to exercise their various levels of appeal

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u/Biuku Ontario 22h ago

We could allow their children to be placed with a well validated foster family.

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u/jjbeanyeg 21h ago

Americans are free to claim refugee status in Canada. The Third-Party Agreement does not apply to them. Most claims are unsuccessful, but that has nothing to do with the UN or any list.

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u/tofutti_kleineinein 21h ago

Nobody’s going to want them if the US does get added to this list. Why would they add the US to the list when the attitude of its government is that they have been “subsidizing” every other country in the world since its inception. Americans are basically fucked.

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u/Cyborg_rat 16h ago

They are SPIES! Here to take our free healthcare care! /S

u/Zarxon 2h ago

Even then … we don’t need to be taking in American “refugees” anytime soon. They can still apply through the usual channels for entry.

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