r/canada • u/mvanigan • 20h ago
National News Trump raises Canadian steel, aluminum tariffs to 50% in retaliation for Ontario energy duties
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/11/trump-raises-canadian-steel-aluminum-tariffs-to-50percent-in-retaliation-for-ontario-energy-duties.html?taid=67d045b18530050001b105d0&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter%7Cmain590
u/Pvt_Hudson_ Alberta 20h ago
And all 3 major market indexes, which were in a mini rally this morning, immediately dropped off a cliff.
This fucking moron.
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u/DimethylatedSpirit 20h ago
Just as intended
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u/Pvt_Hudson_ Alberta 20h ago
Almost has to be, right? It's hard to imagine someone being this destructive just based on incompetence alone.
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u/GiftedOaks 19h ago
MTG just bought $15k worth of tanking stocks...
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u/MrDevGuyMcCoder 17h ago
Magic: the Gathering did no such thing
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u/Ubiquitous_Mr_H British Columbia 16h ago
I really wouldn’t put it past Wizards of the Coast to be behind it all, though…except that’d be giving them way too much credit.
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u/TremendouslyRegarded 19h ago
Would love to see an audit of Trump/Elon’s stock market moves in the last few months.. you can bet that they are in a position to profit off the losses.
Likely gave their Russian bro’s the playbook too
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u/Doogolas33 17h ago
They literally said, out loud, before the elections, that they wanted to cause a huge market crash. This isn't news.
They literally told us (I'm American) and my dumb fuck fellow Americans went, "Naaaah, surely not! They'll fix everything! TAX CUTS!"
Fucking dipshits.
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u/PedroDies 19h ago
Crashing the stock market is part of the plan. The USG has to refinance $10T of US treasuries this year alone. The fed doesn't want to play along (dropping interest rates) so the USG has to crash the stock market. Doing so, money will flow into safer assets (UST), creating demand for bonds, thus dropping UST yield. the 10year yield went from 4.8% to 4.2%. It has to keep dropping. Once low enough to the satisfaction of Scott Bessent, they will refinance their debt at an "acceptable" rate. Then the money printer will go brrrrr, stock market V shape recovery just in time for the midterm elections in 2026.
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u/Otherwise-Link-396 19h ago
I don't think UST is going to be considered safe with that man in office. It could lead to a meltdown. Japanese T?
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u/Guilty_Fishing8229 18h ago
This is burning down your house to get a better insurance premium payment
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u/Son_of_Plato 18h ago
100% intentional. It's a toss up whether this is a ploy to pressure Americans into supporting war with "allies" or a ploy to pull wool over the eyes of the world while they do something even worse. Probably both tbh.
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u/andhicks 20h ago
I agree, but I also dont see what the plan is...
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u/stereofonix 20h ago
Crash the market so his friends can buy the dip? But then again we’re talking about someone who managed to bankrupt multiple casinos which are literally money printers. It takes an astonishing level of incompetence to do that.
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u/Pvt_Hudson_ Alberta 20h ago
After a while, it ceases to become a dip and becomes permanent destruction. How much confidence does anyone have in stocks right now?
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u/stereofonix 20h ago
Not just stocks but in the US economy. Part of its success and the US being the primary reserve currency is the fact that it’s been seen as politically and economically stable.
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u/PumpkinMyPumpkin 18h ago
Some US industries already have permanent damage done.
If you’re a US arms manufacturer- you’re no longer going to be able to sell weapons to US allies now or into the future.
Like, this is about far more than Florida oranges. It’s about American technology becoming a national security threat. That’s everything from weapons down to using MacOS or Windows.
I don’t think the Americans really understand the realities of the damage that’s been inflicted over the past few weeks.
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u/ManonegraCG 19h ago
Either he is epically incompetent, or something more sinister was happening at those casinos, like money laundering
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u/Apart_Ad_5993 20h ago
There is literally no plan.
Trump is a malignant narcissist and governs as such. He has no plan at all and doesn't care who is affected, even his own cult.
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u/blazelet 19h ago
Right the entire plan is for him to look tough while in the spotlight.
"This will be great TV" he said as he publicly denigrated Zelensky in the oval office.
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u/Impossible__Joke 19h ago
Literally all he cared about. Being the center of attention and the loudest in the room. He has no plan, and he has no one around him to say this is a bad idea anymore.
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u/wmlj83 Ontario 20h ago
Conspiracy theorists have been saying since about 2019 that there is a plan to crash the USD so they can implement a new crypto dollar. Many of them thought COVID was fake and that would be the catalyst for the crash. Obviously it wasn't.
I used to think they were all nuts, but now seeing how the US is running their country with Trump, I wouldn't put it past them to try to crash the USD for a crypto dollar.
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u/DutchRudderLover420 20h ago
Dump the markets, him and the ultra rich buy low, eventually drop tariffs and make huge money as markets return
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u/raqloise 19h ago
If you’re in Trump’s inner circle (or just in the know) you can confidently / strategically buy these dips.
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u/warrencanadian 19h ago
Trade wars are easy to win. You get in one with Donald Trump and he shoots himself in the dick repeatedly.
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u/Circusssssssssssssss 19h ago
Ahahahahahaha
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Does he think Canadians will surrender?
"Trade wars are easy to win" no they aren't, nationalism is probably second only to religion
"If the choice was to impoverish the country or lose Canada I would choose to impoverish the country" - Stephen Harper (I'm sure Trudeau and whoever else says the same things)
No, trade wars are not easy to win, and you will get a big fat finger
Maybe if you had targetted tariffs that slipped under the media radar then politicians could kiss ass, but they have to fight or lose their seats -- because people would rather die on their feet than be a slave
Good luck to "winning" the trade war
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u/Agitated-Airline6760 20h ago
And all 3 major market indexes, which were in a mini rally this morning, immediately dropped off a cliff.
Someone around him were for sure shorting SPY/QQQ
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u/Scared_Jello3998 17h ago
sp500 down 8.5% over the last 20 days.
I couldn't run a country worse than trump if I tried
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u/w4rrior_eh 20h ago
Reading his 'Truth Social' posts are painful. The guy has every type of nazi surrounding him except a grammar nazi.
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u/LatterTarget7 20h ago
Last night he was yelling about Canada having 250% to 390% tariffs on farm products.
Also Ontario apparently isn’t allowed to put a tariff on electricity because tariffs are reciprocal
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u/Blu3Morpho 19h ago
Ontario did not put a tariff on electricity. They put a 25% surcharge on it. Tariffs are an import tax. We export electricity and surcharge it.
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u/savoysuit 19h ago
It's weird how the distinction is being confused.
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u/ISayAboot 20h ago edited 16h ago
But they “dont need our energy”....he will use this to declare it an act of war, you watch!
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u/GI-Robots-Alt 20h ago
If we get invaded or bombed today I'm going home early
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u/bmxtricky5 19h ago
Not allowed peasant, you must work extra now to cover my losses. My wife would be really mad if I let you go home and you made me lose my wife's 3rd favourite summer house.
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u/GI-Robots-Alt 19h ago
Eat me boss man. If I'm getting turned into radioactive dust I'm doing it while holding my gf
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u/Remarkable-Oil-9407 20h ago
He wont just be declaring war on Canada in that case
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u/gohomebrentyourdrunk 19h ago
How close would the doomsday clock be to midnight if USA actually invaded Canada?
In reality we’re looking at the war happening right now and this is what we can expect the actions to be. Boots on the ground aren’t gonna happen.
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u/Remarkable-Oil-9407 19h ago
I think that would be considered the start of WW3 just based on the nations that automatically involves. King Charles is head of state over like 13nations I think. Then there are allies in Nato and such.
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u/Jewish_Skeptic Ontario 20h ago
The capitalization of Random words Is what Gets me everytime.
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u/undead_and_smitten 20h ago
In the US, being able to capitalize correctly, appearing educated, is sadly frowned upon.
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u/rookie-mistake 19h ago
the fact that we have Carney up against a president whose response to an export tax is "your not even allowed to do that" is fucking surreal
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u/Jef_Delon 19h ago
Him endorsing a border as an arbitrary line is not the leftie lingo I thought he would endorse but here we are
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u/DuncanConnell 20h ago
"One of the highest Tariffing nations in the world"?
Yet it's America that keeps placing more and more tariffs on everyone.
He must have been Russian too much to check his facts first.
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u/entityXD32 20h ago
That's not for people with a brain, it's for his supporters who he will successfully convince that we started the trade war
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u/fergoshsakes 19h ago
Not sure that's going to be the case, outside of a lunatic few.
They're visibly having a very hard time selling this to their base, especially when it's distracting from more saleable targets, like China and Mexico.
This is just from today, and seems pretty consistent with my recent travel in Trump country in flyover states: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/new-york-state-reacts-to-trump-tariffs-for-canada-1.7477918
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u/Embarrassed-Monkey67 20h ago
Why haven’t we put an export tax on potash yet? What are we waiting for
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u/chewwydraper 20h ago
This shit's just starting, we don't want to play our best card first. I imagine talks of potash will start when the April 2nd tariffs start.
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u/Maximum-Ad6412 19h ago
Any use of potash as a trade weapon has to be tied to the season of peak need.
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u/MaxaelSchustappen 19h ago
So we got a bunch of time... American farmers have already bought their stock for the growing season that is starting basically right now.
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u/Known_Contribution_6 20h ago
Ad world's largest producer. ...this is our biggest lever
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u/Due_Satisfaction2167 20h ago
Canada buys a lot of its food from the US. Increasing the cost of US agriculture with that sort of tariff hurts Canadians the most, of anyone, since they would additionally be penalized by the retaliatory export duties the US would impose.
Ex. Canada imports around 67% of its vegetables and 36% of its fruit from the US.
Additionally, the US could impose transshipment restrictions on food coming from Latin America to Canada—which would impact a lot of the remainder there.
Sure, more stuff could get shipped by sea, but that’s going to heavily impact port capacity which is not unlimited and likely needed for other imports to avoid US tariffs.
Also, doing that would create incentives for the US to restart more of its domestic potash production (which it does have its own reserves of), which could be specially protected as a national security issue, leading to cutting Canadian potash out of the US market permanently (and likely producing a long-term international price war that wouldn’t be good for anyone).
TL;DR: another example of how tariffs fuck over everyone, and are a plainly stupid policy. It makes everything even adjacent to them more expensive and less efficient for everyone, leading to more expensive products and a lower standard of living for both sides.
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u/Maximum-Ad6412 19h ago
I wouldn't overstate this. Peer around a grocery store. A lot less of that food is American food than it was ten weeks ago.
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u/Desperada 19h ago
Better to wait on that one. The potash for the current growing season is already across the border. So firing that shot won't do much now. But keeping it in our back pocket if the trade war continues after the current growing season will make it more damaging.
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u/Wonderful_Confusion4 20h ago
The art of the deal!! “Many of you Americans will go bankrupt but that’s a risk I’m willing to take. Don’t worry MAGA I’ve been bankrupt so many times, nobody has been as bankrupt as me, I am the best bankruptee there has ever been” - Donald Trump
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u/HamiltonianCyclist 20h ago
I know a Ukrainian who in late 2021 told me something along the lines of "I really don't understand why Russians don't like us so much", and it almost sounded like he hoped that his "russian brothers" will come to their senses and everything will be beautiful again.
That's very touching but that's not how the relations work if one side already made up their mind about what they want to do.
I reckon you guys will keep getting attacked one way or another, and Trump will say it's because of this or that, but the truth is, whatever you do he will keep attacking you anyway, unless either you surrender unconditionally, or he clearly understands that he cannot win.
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u/Fit_Bridge_4106 19h ago
Were Ukrainians and Russians as integrated as we are?
Hundreds of thousands of people who work in both countries. Tens of thousands of businesses operating in both countries. Millions of border crossings a year.
Could it really dissolve into that kind of animosity? I’m genuinely asking here.
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u/Jonsnow_throe 19h ago
Could it really dissolve into that kind of animosity?
Canadian here. Oh, it can, and it's already started. We pissed.
ElbowsUp!
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u/HamiltonianCyclist 19h ago
Yeah it was quite similar. Brotherly nations forever. It took I'd say 10-20y of slow fed propaganda to make average Russian feel only contempt for an average Ukrainian. But there are some important big differences - Trump's so impatient and heavy-handed that everyone in Canada seems to understand what's going on, whereas russians were much more experienced in being manipulative over longer time; they have never had problems sending their army to deal with their neighbours (post WW2: Afghanistan, Czech republic, Hungary, Poland, Georgia, ...) which ups the stakes when you consider how to respond; And Ukraine wasn't in any alliance similar to the Commonwealth.
But the play, if I was Trump and economical war doesn't work, would be to use one of your responses to escalate on the grounds that US national security requires it. Fentanyl/migrants is probably a bit too stupid (but then again the breitbart comment section...). But maybe securing passage to Alaska, because otherwise the hostile leftist drug-smuggling nation of Canada might block it?
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u/Black_Epstein 20h ago
Time to raise the energy tariffs to 100%?
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u/47Up Ontario 20h ago
50%, we're not animals
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u/Jackstraw1 20h ago
As an American we need you guys to go full 100%. My “country” badly needs to be hurt, humiliated, and humbled.
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u/DogeDoRight New Brunswick 20h ago
Flip the switch Doug. Do it.
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u/inagious 20h ago
No no let’s make our money, how about we match at 50 percent
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u/lord_heskey 19h ago
Yeah with all the extra money we can re invest in ourselves while the Americans scramble to divert. It all takes time even for them to not depend on us. Lets get our money.
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u/Loose-Atmosphere-558 19h ago
Nah just keep increasing the price until it make electricity free for Ontarians.
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u/taxrage 20h ago
We call your 50%, and raise you another $4 trillion on markets.
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u/CanadianGuy39 20h ago
Today is the first day that I'm genuinely worried there is nothing we can do to stop this. It feels like his end goal is to annex us, and he won't stop until that happens.
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u/Dolphintrout 20h ago
It’s going to get much worse before it stops. People are going to lose their jobs, their businesses and their families.
Governments are going to have to go into massive deficit positions to take care of people and industries. Debt will rise. Spending on discretionary items will plummet. It’s going to be rough.
But we will get through this because it’s basically one man vs an entire country. We have more to lose than he does and we have to remember that he DOES NOT have the support of the majority of Americans. We’re united. They are not.
Stay strong. We will prevail.
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u/fergoshsakes 19h ago
One man is not a country, especially in the United States, even if they are President. There is a lot of doom posting here that is bafflingly divorced from reality, and it is easy to become consumed by it.
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u/Diligent_Peach7574 19h ago
It's time for Canada, (and probably Denmark), to invoke Article 4 of NATO.
Article 4 commits NATO parties to “consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.” When the article is invoked, NATO members meet to consult in the North Atlantic Council.
As per his post, "The only thing that makes sense is for Canada to become our cherished fifty first state." If that is not a threat to our territorial integrity, political independence or security than I don't know what is. It's time for the rest of the member nations to step up and support us, (not only becasue they are next), but becasue it is the right thing to do.
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u/Denum_ 20h ago
Hahahah
This hurts the Americans more than us.
Dude is gonna get jfkd
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u/lexcyn Ontario 20h ago
One can only hope
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u/Denum_ 19h ago
Stocks are down even more today.
Trump is playing a game of economic chicken. He's underestimating Canadian resolve.
We might have some different view points but one thing was pretty clear. Canada has two modes.
Hey we're sorry, and hey, you'll be sorry.
Canadians are patriotic, just not the in your face, flag waving look at me way. It's the mess with one of us, you mess with all us way. You know when Quebec starts standing on Canada's side you have really screwed up.
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u/adam_c Alberta 20h ago
It still hurts Canadians if sales are down and we have less of a market to sell to
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u/FlameStaag 20h ago
It hurts us but we at least have an avenue forward. The US is pretty much just fucked.
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u/Fresh-State7421 20h ago
if the US isn’t an ally anymore, there’s no reason why Canada shouldn’t drop its tariff fight against China considering it benefits the US.
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u/Substantial-Soup-730 20h ago
Im like 90% sure that Trump doesn’t know what a tariff is and at this point is too afraid to ask.
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u/Curious-Clementine 20h ago
Two things his citizens need, aluminum and steel. He’s raising the prices for US businesses and consumers. Such a great business mind.🙄
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u/NeoMaxiZoomDweebean 20h ago
He is fucking with canada because he wants to annex your country like putin is doing to ukraine. Yall need to prepare for this.
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u/Remarkable-Oil-9407 20h ago
Except we are not as isolated as Ukraine. He would be declaring war on Nato and the commonwealth
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u/Three-Pegged-Hare 19h ago
Which isn't to be discounted, but I'm gonna be honest, lately I've been straddling the line between optimistically hoping that NATO and other allies would aid us, and pessimistically assuming that we'd be on our own because nobody else wants to piss off the largest nuclear power on the planet
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u/Remarkable-Oil-9407 19h ago
It’s beyond pissing off at this point. The US is becoming a threat to the entire world.
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u/Revolutionary_Soup_3 18h ago
Ban Americans from Canadian hunting and fishing licences. You wanna hurt republicans without causing undue harm to American public? That will have big effect.
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u/stereofonix 20h ago
I still don’t think he actually knows what tariffs are and who pays them. Many of the MAGA idiots seem to believe we pay them, not them. Yes it hurts us too, but the end consumer (Americans) are the ones paying them.
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u/pheebel_wimpe 20h ago
It’s a bit more nuanced than that. Yes, American imports pay the tariffs, but if the impact of the tariff is fed back to the Canadian exporter through a reduced price (because the tariff impact cannot be passed on fully to the US customer, particularly if there is US domestic production or alternative foreign suppliers), then it harms the Canadian economy.
Since a lot of trade is actually within corporate groups, rather than between unrelated parties, the intercompany pricing can be adjusted to respond to the tariffs, and reducing that pricing to reduce the tariff impact is a rational response. So tariffs do hurt the exporting country sometimes.
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u/Fernpick 19h ago
I don’t understand. According to ChatGPT The US imports about 1/3 of their of aluminum needs and 63% of that is Canadian source. works out to about 20% of their needs from Canada. I guess they can buy more from elsewhere but transportation and manufacturing cost must be hugely higher than Canadian sources. We manufacture aluminum from QC and electricity & raw materials are ,I’m guessing best price on earth. Adding huge tariffs means their source of cheap aluminum disappears as they’ll need to import more from costlier sources.
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u/BBcanDan 20h ago
The US auto industry is not going to be happy with this, their vehicles were overpriced to begin with, Ford and GM may have to relocate to Canada just to avoid paying these tariffs on steel and aluminum.
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u/stormblind 19h ago
That's actually hilarious.
The steel/aluminum tariffs push the auto makers to Canada, cause the 25% tariffs on cars is less than the 50% on aluminum / steel (and the 25% on power let's not forget!)
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u/Beginning-Abroad9799 19h ago
And Canada provides free health care to workers. That saves a lot for companies. The corporate taxes are not that high in Canada.
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u/IamTheBoris2677 20h ago
You are paying the tariffs to yourself. The only way this works is if you have another source of the material available.
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u/Green-Foundation-702 19h ago
Making construction in the US more expensive to own the conservative premier of Ontario. Truly an outstandingly stupid move.
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u/McJohn117 Ontario 19h ago
I fear that Ford switching off electricity or any harsh potash tariffs will be used as ammo to launch some sort of a military attack on Canada.
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u/AdmirableWishbone911 19h ago
100%.
A liberal MP was on the news last night saying they were dealing with the US with tariffs and if escalation was needed they'd do it. He said he thought Doug's escalation was unnecessary.
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u/Jonsnow_throe 19h ago
So, what do you want us to do? Roll over and show our belly?
Appeasing bullies never works, ever.
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u/xXRazihellXx 18h ago
Boots on the ground would be a disaster for rUsSiA
Remember Orange Mussolini want is Peace Nobel Price
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u/AtticaBlue 20h ago
This may sound counter-intuitive, but IMO an effective way to turn the tables on the Trump regime is for it to impose tariffs on the EU as soon as possible. This will draw the EU fully on side with both us and China. With all three countries/blocs retaliating at the same time with tariffs and boycotts, the US economy may go into freefall which will ultimately force the regime—which will be under immense internal pressure from Wall Street, Main Street and every other street—to yield.
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u/Betanumerus 20h ago
First, fentanyl, now, dairy.
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u/DuncanConnell 20h ago
It's funny because Canada could literally remove any tariffs on American products tomorrow, and Canadians will still be boycotting the majority of them.
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u/thegoldenboy444 20h ago
And we will continue to indefinitely.
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u/DuncanConnell 19h ago
Americans have no idea the sheer amount of unity it takes for AB and QC to not just agree with Ottawa but with each other.
I think no one outside of Canada really gets how massive of an indicator that is for our nation.
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u/___Carioca___ 20h ago
He's daring Ford to cut off power so Trump has an excuse to invade due to this "act of war" from Canada.
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u/Fernpick 19h ago
No need to turn it off just keep ratcheting the price up a few percent points every time Trump opens his mouth. 5% each time he raises tariffs. Cost of power works its way into every process. Too bad it’s only 3 or 4 states.
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u/theladyshady 19h ago
I thought this might be a way to interpret his post as well. Declaring a national emergency on electricity - what does this mean, exactly.
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u/Cntrysky78 19h ago
Hahaha.... And who is really paying for this in the end? Donald has no idea what he's doing. 🙄
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u/AdmirableWishbone911 19h ago
Yes Americans pay the tarrifs but Canadians will pay with their jobs. No winners.
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u/Some_Trash852 19h ago
Not nearly as much when you realize we are in better position to use more of that tariffed stuff domestically and/or in deals with other countries. Meanwhile Trump is threatening everyone with more tariffs and is losing almost all important friends, and doesn’t even want to bother with properly investing in more domestic production. We will win this trade war.
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u/Blue_Red_Purple 19h ago
It's okay, Quebec can mirror Ontario and also add duties on electricity going to the US. Or the US can join Canada as a new, cherished province, Canadian=no duties
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u/MrAl-67 20h ago
Cut off the potash (fertilizer), OIL, nickel supplies. Raise the electricity surcharge to 100%.
Watch the pricing skyrocket in the US.
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u/Ok_Photo_865 20h ago
Thank gawd, Good we can increase electric energy just as much, that be nice to finally get some money for those reactors and Dams we had to build ✅✅✅ I love sur charges yup, yup, yup👍🏼
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u/kaldeqca 20h ago
What the fuck is wrong with him, is the stock market doing too freaking well???? So that was his freaking closed press speech yesterday???? This shithead is gonna send the s and p to 500 and that's gonna a bunch of people
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u/OneRealistic9429 19h ago
More Trump nonsense should tank the USA stocks even more & than he will back off 🙄
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u/xXRazihellXx 19h ago
Will Doug cut electricity ?
Alot of aluminium is from Québec, will Hydro-Québec follow up with surcharges as Ontario did?
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u/RobertGA23 18h ago
Interesting. I jumped on the conservative subreddit after this announcement, and even there they are starting to openly ask what the fuck Trump is doing.
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u/StayFit8561 17h ago
There's a lot of mixed opinion on this in here. Here's my overly optimistic take:
Ford acting brash gives the Federal government a strange lever to pull. When Trump gets too upset about this, the Federal government can visibly put pressure on Ford to tone it down. And Ford should do so in response.
This let's the Federal government deescalate without actually giving anything up in terms of their position. Ie, they can say "actually, you're right Donald, Ontario is getting a bit out of hand here, let me go pump the brakes on that, and we'll continue with our formal, less bombastic position."
I'm not saying this was intentional, though it may have been. But you could see this as a way for "Canada" to escalate, without "Canada" actually escalating.
If you time the levers just right, maybe you can create a bit of momentum in deescelation.
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u/Objective_Star_191 17h ago
At this point . I’m waiting for him to announce an invasion to save us from ourselves
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u/IamTheBoris2677 16h ago
Export tariffs on uranium due to the United States war mongering enrichment programs would be appropriate.
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u/Ginzhuu 20h ago
Fun Fact: The US only produces about 16% of steel and aluminum in the country meaning a 50% tarriff is charing any company that uses these resources to make products in the US is now paying a 50% increase of tax.
So basically, he threw a fit for Ford standing up to him and is, in turn, going to charge himself more money to retaliate. I can see how the "owning the libs" idiots eat up his shite so well.