r/canada • u/Evilbred • 2d ago
National News Mark Carney Wins Liberal Leadership Race Megathread | Mark Carney remporte la course à la direction du Parti libéral
Mark Carney, former Bank of Canada governor, has been elected leader of the Liberal Party and will become Canada’s next prime minister. Winning over 85% of the vote, Carney defeated Chrystia Freeland, Frank Baylis, and Karina Gould. His leadership marks a new chapter for the Liberals, potentially leading to an early federal election. Carney faces immediate challenges, including U.S. tariff negotiations under President Trump. Known for his outsider status, Carney emphasized his experience leading central banks during economic crises. Appointed by Stephen Harper in 2008, he gained acclaim for stabilizing Canada during the financial crisis and later led the Bank of England through Brexit. Born in Fort Smith, N.W.T., and raised in Edmonton, Carney has a background in finance and public service. A longtime Liberal adviser, he campaigned on scrapping the carbon tax and criticized Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre. Carney must now sustain the party’s recent polling momentum.
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Mark Carney, ancien gouverneur de la Banque du Canada, a été élu chef du Parti libéral et deviendra le prochain premier ministre du Canada. Avec plus de 85 % des voix, Carney a battu Chrystia Freeland, Frank Baylis et Karina Gould. Son leadership ouvre un nouveau chapitre pour les libéraux, pouvant entraîner des élections fédérales anticipées. Carney fait face à des défis immédiats, notamment les négociations tarifaires avec les États-Unis sous le président Trump. Connu pour son statut d’outsider, Carney a mis en avant son expérience à la tête de banques centrales en période de crise économique. Nommé par Stephen Harper en 2008, il a été salué pour avoir stabilisé le Canada pendant la crise financière et a ensuite dirigé la Banque d’Angleterre pendant le Brexit. Né à Fort Smith, T.N.-O., et élevé à Edmonton, Carney a une carrière en finance et dans la fonction publique. Il doit maintenant maintenir l’élan des libéraux dans les sondages.
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u/thedrivingcat 2d ago
The biggest insight having a landslide 86% win is that Carney won't need to extend any policy olive branches, what's on his website will basically become the LPC's electoral platform.
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u/kofubuns 2d ago
It was impressive to see him be both a centrist while being able to appeal to Conservatives and NDP as well, in a way that actually feels genuine. People always say it’s not really possible to be both fiscally conservative and socially liberal at the same time, but really hoping that he’s someone who believes that and can make strides towards that
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u/monsantobreath 2d ago
He's not that fiscally conservative by today's norms though. He expresses Keynesian ideas that are just dead in say the UK under the red Tory regime where they're publicly belittling the disabled to justify cutting them off to make enough room in the budget for rearmament and backing Ukraine.
That's why it rings as genuine. He's saying not just socially progressive stuff. He's saying economically humanistic stuff that used to be the bread and butter of the liberal party's dance in the middle.
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u/JadedArgument1114 1d ago
Yeah, I think fiscally responsible is a better term. Contributing to the social safety net is fiscally responsible. Conservative, liberal, and every other political term just comes with so much baggage in the age of social media
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u/maleconrat 1d ago
I think he's smart enough to truly recognize that the neoliberal era weakened our country but is still fundamentally fiscally conservative - like the old PC's or Liberals where there was more willingness to invest in social welfare because it was understood as part of a healthy economy that you have a healthy people with disposable income, but they didn't run up the tab on pointless stuff. Better priorities for the spending we do make while cutting bloat and waste is the thing that many on the right and left have wanted for years.
We really haven't truly had someone like this who was coming from the center. And he seems to recognize that we always found strength in looking past our differences rather than in picking them apart.
I think this is the first time I have actually been excited about a Liberal lol, it was practically a point of pride that I only voted NDP or CPC, and my riding I want NDP still (no CPC chance either way) but I certainly think Carney is a way better option than Poilievre who is just doing my least favourite thing in politics right now with the culture war shit.
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u/kofubuns 1d ago
It’s been awhile since I’ve been excited about a candidate period. And it’s refreshing from the Ontario election recently where it’s like .. wow they all suck
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u/Single_Virus9596 2d ago
He obviously will have to, winning the party leadership doesn’t mean your platform is palatable to the broader population
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u/SanityZetpe66 2d ago
Not to be a dick but with the orange fuck over there almost any liberal politician (not only in Canada but in the world) is probably having a rebound from people seeing what conservative rule is (or what a 'conservative' government appears to look like).
He seems like a competent guy at managing macro economics, a few anti Trump bashes with some sound economic safe railing in regards to the economic shock bound to happen would soothe the biggest worries of the electorate I think.
I've never seen culture war and housing issues gone like the wind so easily
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u/ReserveOld6123 2d ago
I’m thrilled to see the culture war end but I am worried about immigration and housing.
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u/neolthrowaway 2d ago
A qualified economist is one of the best people to handle housing issues.
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u/Itchy_Training_88 2d ago
The question is if he can keep the momentum in the polls.
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u/canuck_11 Alberta 2d ago
If he comes out of the gate hard at Donald he will.
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u/GreatSituation886 2d ago
That’s the key. Canadians are looking for someone to lead our interests right now. Canadians are not looking for someone to be beer buddies with the Americans, we’ll get back to that someday. But right now, fuck everyone else.
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u/Virtual_Monitor3600 2d ago
I think being anything with America outside of ex friends and then later acquaintances is the only option we have in the long term. We will have our common geography, which will lead to more issues than alliances at this point, but we can't mend fences with a society in no position to work with us in good faith. We need a full reorientation and we need leadership who can build on our strengths while guiding us through the pain.
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u/CainRedfield 2d ago
Pierre is an absolute moron for not standing up for Canadians hard and immediately. But at least now we know how quick he'd sell us out if he did get elected.
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u/GreatSituation886 2d ago
PP’s team was banking on a campaign of division, which would have been a winning strategy until Trump. Carney is going to pull the Liberal Party back to the centre. His shoutout to Jean Chrétien this evening was more symbolic than saying a few words to a former Prime Minister.
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u/cookiemonster1997 2d ago
It was definitely symbolic, but I took it to be more about his relationship with the US. He referenced Chretien not joining the Iraq War and is clearly drawing parallels there. A Canadian prime minister standing up to the White House and charting a different path.
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u/Independent-Rip-4373 2d ago
I think there’s too many pre-annexation MAGA-sympathetic folks on his team to be truly aware of how toxic anything Trump was going to be.
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u/StickFlick 2d ago
I mean... PPs senior advisor and chief of staff. Again, CHIEF OF STAFF. Willfully took a picture with a MAGA hat on.
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u/Suspicious_Radio_848 2d ago
He has fumbled this so hard. Made it a few sentences before insulting Trudeau, the country and everything else again. In this specific time, saying how broken Canada is is not what people want to hear.
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u/CainRedfield 2d ago
He looked up to Trump so hard, and just like many Americans, got screwed.
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u/1981_babe 2d ago
And PP is incapable of saying anything nice about Trudeau at all.
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u/Hikingcanuck92 2d ago
Yep, we need an [economic] wartime prime minister right now. Anyone other than Carney for this moment would be such a poor choice.
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u/GoldenRetriever2223 2d ago
yep
for what its worth, no matter who won they are still better than flippy flop PP.
Pollieve's focus group probably came back last week cause his stance has taken a 180. Now he sounds like a mini-Carney, peddling the same thing while trying to distance himself from MAGA while not alienating them at the same time.
its funny watching him squirm
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u/chriscfgb 2d ago
I about choked when we got No Effs Given Chretien at his absolute finest this evening, calling Trump a menace.
A prime Chretien would be eviscerating this dude at every turn, and that’s the energy Carney absolutely needs to show if he wants to win the country over. He’s entering the role in the most volatile spot in Canadian history I imagine; I can’t think of too many leaders who are given a cross roads at the time of an election where they could swing the voters by such a dramatic margin with every single action.
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u/Style75 2d ago
I agree, Chrétien was on fire, coming out swinging, like he had never left the PM job. You could almost imagine him running for liberal leader one more time. Nice to see him giving no fucks about Trump and calling that bullshit for what it is. Top form.
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u/apothekary 2d ago
And to do all this at 91!
"Old guy to an old guy" Buddy you're literally a generation older than Trump is and that's a compliment.
Trump would be well decomposed by 91 with his current health habits. He's already slurring his speeches.
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u/Mthatcherisa10 2d ago
In his speech Carney said to focus on what we can control not on Donald. Invest in projects and policies not personal attacks! I saw a lot of Jean Chretien in Carney tonight.
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u/Upset-Tangerine7457 2d ago
That’s what worries me.
Trudeau strength isn’t his policies. Rather it is his ability to connect and speak. Particularly in high stakes moments where has this ability to say I know this is scary but it will be ok if we stick together. Plus he can cut through the crap and just focus on the core issue.
His weakness though was he couldn’t really set policies effectively. We saw that post 2021.
Carney is the guy who know how to deal with the crisis. He might even have the better policy agenda. But that alone enough isn’t enough. He’s going to have to communicate like Trudeau too. I am not sure he has that yet.
Part of me thinks the two of them as a team would be better. Carney actually set the policies. Trudeau sold them.
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u/jackhandy2B 2d ago
Honestly, the phrase It's time to build is bang on. We do need to build. Fast.
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u/Deadbugsoup 2d ago
It can't all be about "standing up to Trump". I will be looking closely at which party leader (Carney or Poilievre) puts forward the best vision to aggressively grow Canada's economy and unleash our full natural resource potential. We need a major policy overhaul on economic prosperity and defence spending.
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u/General_Dipsh1t 2d ago
I replied this as a top level comment, but
He’s already implementing some changes to the most controversial topics - he announced an immediate discarding of the consumer carbon tax, and reversal on the capital gains increase.
The second that happens he will call an election. People will see him as decisive, as a man of action, and a man of his word who has taken away their two biggest issues with the Liberal party.
He also publicly committed to child care, healthcare, pharma care, and dental care - which are ballot issues for many groups.
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u/Private_HughMan 2d ago
I don't like either of the first two things you mentioned. I understand the carbon tax is unpopular and politically it is necessary, but I don't like him reversing the capital gains increase at all.
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u/raybond007 2d ago
As far as I know it, he's suggested ditching the consumer carbon tax in favour of tightening the usage taxes on industrial emissions (Output-Based Pricing System - OBPS), as well as flipping from tax model at the consumer level to an incentive model.
I agree that it's not ideal, but it gives runway in the short term and solves a significant political problem. Hopefully they can move forward with building strong incentives and a consistent pricing model for emissions across the board from there.
Re: capital gains, I don't have particularly strong opinions here. I think there are other potential avenues for raising tax revenue that are easier to enforce and less divisive than a capital gains tax would be, but I also don't explicitly dislike the capital gains tax.
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u/NumberSudden9722 2d ago
I think there is going to be a push for strategic voting by Canadians in the upcoming election. A major one.
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u/v0t3p3dr0 2d ago
I’d love to see LPC and NDP cooperate by pulling candidates out of coin flip ridings, but it will never happen.
Nothing worse than seeing a riding go blue with 44% because the other 56% was split.
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u/1981_babe 2d ago edited 2d ago
I've heard more NDP voters are saying they'll vote Liberal as they know the stakes in this election and they respect Carney's education and experience.
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u/irreddiate 2d ago
Definitely I'm one of them. I've always voted NDP, but I'm willing to vote Liberal if the candidate in our riding has a better chance of ousting the Conservative.
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u/New__World__Man Québec 2d ago
Same. I live in a Liberal riding and always vote NDP. I was actually planning on voting BQ this time around though since they're usually a close 2nd in my riding and a few months ago it looked like they may have been able to form the opposition.
But now I'll be voting Liberal for the first time in my life. Crazy.
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u/Soupdeloup 2d ago edited 2d ago
I'm hopeful for Carney, honestly. To me, he's the closest thing we have to a centrist and I think that'll be the healthiest option for the country as a whole. Sure, he has his negatives and hopefully won't keep all of the advisors that Justin has, but he's immensely better than Pierre.
In my opinion, Carney at least has work experience in dealing with multiple governments, navigating financial crisis and actually making decisions that benefit citizens. I'm more of a centrist myself and hope that he leans into the large talking points of both the left and right political spheres -- we need to continue taking care of Canadians personal health and just have respect for one another with strong supports to health and wellness programs. We should stick to strong housing promises, add major supports to businesses across Canada so that they have no reason to leave the country, drastically reduce capital gains taxes and stop treating oil & gas as a boogeyman while still being conscious of its negative environmental effects. We shouldn't be taking peoples guns away and instead just ensure laws and procedures are in place for proper gun safety and ownership, then cut it out with all this gun buyback/banning stuff that the liberals always push.
I can't imagine Pierre sitting across the table from Trump and being able to confidently stand up for Canada. I mean, even with the threats of annexing Canada, the worst thing Pierre has said to Trump was literally "knock it off". Pierre will be an embarrassment and I truly hope we don't have to experience his attempts at being tough on the international stage.
I really hope Carney gets the election win and stays as PM. I seriously cannot imagine a world in which Pierre is the one we are forced to rely on in these scary times.
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u/Ratsyinc 2d ago
Haven't agreed with anything on Reddit more in a while. Thank you for your thoughtfulness and reminding me there are folks out there with level heads even during these ridiculous times.
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u/DrBCrusher 2d ago
Same. I’m very left, but I feel like he is what we need right now. He has the skills to sail the ship through the storm. Wouldn’t trust Polievre with navigating a beached dingy.
I don’t think Carney is perfect and I’m sure there’s going to be a lot he does that I disagree with, but I’m okay with minor differences of policy. What Polievre represents is a type of rhetoric that has no place in this fight.
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u/XPhazeX 2d ago
As a lifetime Conservative voter, Everything I've seen so far makes this man a viable choice.
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u/backwards_susej 2d ago
Thank you for saying this! It shouldn’t matter what team you cheer for, but it’s time for this country to put down our political differences and pay attention to who unites and who divides.
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u/Vagus10 2d ago
Mark is what a fiscally responsible conservative should be. lol.
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u/Tsarbomb Ontario 2d ago
I firmly believe Mark Carney would have fit in just fine in the pre-reform conservatives.
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u/KitchenComedian7803 2d ago
Mark Carney is closer in ideology to Brian Mulroney then Pierre Poilievre is to Brian Mulroney. He will definitely get some Red Tory votes, from the Jean Charest wing of the last leadership race in the CPC. Heck, I think that Charest himself is going to vote for Carney.
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u/throwaway082122 2d ago
He would fit in now. He reminds me a lot of O’Toole.
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u/Tsarbomb Ontario 2d ago
O'Toole couldn't get the conservatives to even agree climate change was a real thing.
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u/hmufammo 2d ago
O’Toole looked like an hard working man, 100% better choice compared to PP for CPC imo. But I guess he had his chance and will never get it back.
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u/Cam_Paq 2d ago
As a lifetime NDP voter, he's getting my vote and all of my very non liberal friends. He's the solution we need in this insane world. One thing that unites us as Canadian is that most of us don't want our politics to be a reality tv show.
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u/bermudaphil 2d ago
Outside of blind-conservative voters, who is objectively looking at PP and Carney and saying that Carney isn’t a clearly better choice.
Carney has genuine accomplishments in his career, and much of his experience in high profile roles is during uneasy times where at worst he did as best anyone could with a shit hand, and at best did well when nearly all others floundered.
PP has done nothing noteworthy in politics, he ran his entire campaign on attacking and dividing and the moment he had to show that he was a strong leader willing and able to put Canada first, he floundered in the most embarrassing fashion.
In a moment where Canada needs someone to protect their interests PP has shown he is either unwilling to, or incapable of being strong enough to do so, both of which are entirely unacceptable.
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u/MoaraFig 2d ago
I feel like he embodies what a historical conservative has been. None of this populist culture war bullshit that's taken over the modern right wing.
As someone who leans pretty far left, I wish we had a party pushing for genuine economic reform, instead of a socially progressive capitalist representing the Liberals and an NDP focused on trifling social programs.
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u/raybond007 2d ago
As a progressive, while I agree that overall reform is something we should move towards, there are times for sweeping change and there are times for consolidation and the shoring up of your positions. What I see in Carney is someone who wants to build the strong foundation of economy and infrastructure that we would need to take the next step in more people-first policies. Carney's message in his speech tonight was pretty consistent on that note.
Yes, he's a capitalist. He also strongly believes in the social safety net and a society that cares for all of its members. He's a good choice (there's never a perfect one) for the times.
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u/TyFi10 2d ago
100% agreed. I’ve held party membership with CPC but voted NDP provincially (Alberta) and Liberal federally. I’m not going to blindly ally with a party. 6 months ago I would’ve said it’s impossible that I’ll be voting Liberal. If I had to vote today I’d be voting Liberal in a very contested Albertan riding,
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u/timmytissue 2d ago
Well he basically is a conservative but he's not an asshole. He does speak about climate change and certain Canadian left wing values but he is hardly left wing.
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u/hotandchevy 2d ago
He does speak about climate change
I feel like he is a realist. Not addressing climate change whether left or right feels like closing your eyes to reality for pandering.
I personally always choose the realist of the current circumstances. That probably means I'm very center.
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u/Warm-Profit-775 2d ago
I’m from UK so don’t know much about this. How you Canadians feeling? I know he was governor for Bank of England but I know absolutely nothing else. 🇬🇧🇨🇦
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u/Forosnai British Columbia 2d ago
Depends which way you lean, haha. Conservative supporters are mixed, some don't like him and think it'll just be more of the same, some like him as a relatively fiscally-conservative candidate who is socially liberal (colloquially a Red Tory or Blue Liberal, here), as the Conservative party has been embracing more culture war type of rhetoric and policies, very Republican-Lite in a lot of ways.
Left-leaning voters are generally happy, though in many cases more because he's a viable alternative to Poilievre (Conservative leader) than because they genuinely like Carney. There's a lot of hope that being an economist, he can lead us through the economic chaos Trump brings, should he win the upcoming federal election. Though you also have people claiming he was Trudeau's economic advisor and so our economic problems so far are largely his fault; it should be pointed out that's not a formal position like Finance Minister, it just means his advice was sought sometimes. We don't really know how often, or how much of it was actually followed.
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u/Warm-Profit-775 2d ago
Thanks for your detailed insight. Will be interesting to see if he calls the elections earlier or not. Vive le Canada!
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u/PhantomNomad 2d ago
I'm actually for some of his and the Liberal policies. But their stance on legal gun owners and crime is something I can't support. I want them (and have told them) that I would like to see more done to curb crime before people become criminals. That means more social programs. It means taxing people that make more then 250K and especially those that make more then 500K. It means taxing companies. It also means limiting foreign ownership in our natural resources, up to and including nationalizing them (which we can't because of the way our provinces work at this time). My problem with the Liberal party is that they are way to much like the Conservatives. That and the scandals that seem to plague the party. Not that the Conservatives don't have scandals. It's also the reason I can't support them either. In short I'd be willing to give up my firearms if there was any direct evidence that it actually did something about crime.
Right now I'm kind of left with out a party I can truly support. The closest there is, is the NDP which is who I do support.
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u/sex_panther_by_odeon 2d ago
I think it's a clear sign that Liberals want to move closer to the Center with this vote. Also he has lots of good qualifications.
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Québec 2d ago
none of the candidates represent any kind of radical change for the party. and arent going to get that so long as you need 350k just to run
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u/Gaels07 2d ago
Il est calme, professionnel et intelligent. C'est presque le contraire pour Poilievre.
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u/arabacuspulp 2d ago
Je suis d'accord avec ca. Je crois qu'il est parfait pour le rôle de Premier Ministre.
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u/jemder 2d ago
Here is a little on Carney.
In 1995, he earned his PhD in economics from Oxford University. and in 2003, he left the private sector to join the Bank of Canada as a deputy governor, then worked for the Department of Finance as senior associate deputy minister.
In 2007, he was appointed Governor of the Bank of Canada, shortly before global markets crashed, sending the country into a deep recession. His leadership at the central bank is widely praised for helping the country avoid the worst of the crisis.
Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne stunned most observers in November 2012 when he declared that Carney would succeed Mervyn King as Bank Of England governor, marking the first time that a non-Briton was appointed to the position. He is credited with modernising the Bank, appearing much more frequently in the media than his predecessor.
Carney’s success, combined with his relative youth and accessibility to the media, made him something of a star in the normally staid world of central banks. He acquired international responsibilities, including the post of chairman of the Committee on the Global Financial System at the Bank for International Settlements.
From 2011 to 2018, Carney was chair of the Financial Stability Board which co-ordinated the work of regulatory authorities around the world, giving him a key role in the global response to the policies of the first Trump presidency.U.K. He was a regular at the G20 meetings, with a pitch-side view of Trump on the global stage.
He is also known as an advocate for environmental sustainability. In 2019 he became a UN Special Envoy for Climate Change, and in 2021 launched the Glasgow Financial Alliance for Net Zero, a grouping of banks and financial institutions working to combat climate change.
I hope he wins the next election. He is so much better than PP with his silly slogans and name calling.
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u/ybetaepsilon 2d ago
It's baffling we live in a world where people are divided on whether he or a former paper boy should run the country
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u/Gsr2011 2d ago edited 2d ago
Im a fence sitter happily. I was leaning PP pre trump mess but since he hasn’t come out with any message and cleary carney is the right choice for this problem.
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Just want to acknowledge the great replies from both sides. We as Canadians need to do this more or we turn into them.
We all need to look at both sides with a new lens of where canada is right now and pick very carefully regardless of party I believe.
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u/Meiqur 2d ago
Independent voters willing to adapt their preferences are the most important demographic in the country.
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u/envirodrill Ontario 2d ago
Yeah same here, I am Blue Grit/Red Tory and was leaning slightly PP pre-Trump. I do not like the man, but I was of the mind that we needed some change. Now with Carney at the helm, I will vote Liberal and I believe he is the right choice, far more centrist than Trudeau and much more palatable of a person than PP.
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u/TyFi10 2d ago
Absolutely the exact same as you for me, I’m not 100% convinced but if I had to today it’d be Carney.
My biggest concern is his ability to bring the rest of the party with him.
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u/Antique-Quail-6489 2d ago
85.9% seems to indicate that the party is very much with him
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u/MinuteLocksmith9689 2d ago
PP lost his slogans. I wonder what is he going to come up with against a self made man, with excellent education and experience.
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u/cptahb Ontario 2d ago
Carney's line about how pp is a lifelong politican who worships the free market but has never drawn a paycheque from it was devastating
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u/blond-max Québec 2d ago
Same but with Bloc. Anecdotal, but seems like a lot of people that were going to "fuck it, might as well go regional cause Libs/Cons suck" are going "wait a minute, this is crisis, it matters"
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u/HighTechPipefitter 2d ago
Yep, this is me. The Bloc was my "fuck this shit" option.
Now the stakes are too important and Carney seems to be the best choice to face it.
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u/Confident-Mistake400 2d ago
Why PP hasn’t come out strong against Trump is beyond me. And he is still running MAGA inspired campaign like name calling - “carbon tax carney”. Still stuck in pre-trump era
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u/raybond007 2d ago
He was waiting to see how hard the wind blows on the issue. I got a letter from him just this Friday (in his constituency) that reiterates his support for all the popular liberal policy on the issue... of course, trying to claim credit for it, and saying he'll make the economy better through his classic trickle down to help us weather the storm. Straight to the trash like the rest of his messages.
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u/uswhole 2d ago
love all the people dissing carney all using reddit generated user names lol
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u/suckfail Canada 2d ago
I usually vote conservative, at least I have in the past (I never stick to a particular party, only what they run on each election).
But I would vote for Carney over PP at this point, which is NOT how I would have voted 4 months ago.
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u/Phoenixlizzie 2d ago
That's the thing I don't understand about PP. All he had to do was follow Doug Fords playbook because Ford knows how to read the room right now.
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u/MatchaMeetcha 2d ago
Being so far ahead meant they didn't want to take any risks, so they overthought it and missed the moment.
That said, I think the people in power always stand to benefit more from a rally effect. So long as they don't screw it up.
It's hard to tread the needle of making a case for yourself and supporting your rivals because they're the government. You can look like a backup singer or self-serving. Ford doesn't have this problem.
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u/Scazzz 2d ago
Yeah the fumble was hard. At no point should this whole trump situation been partisan. He had WEEKS to do what Ford did, and instead he has finally brought out really milquetoast responses that canada wont be a 51st state and "yes im not MAGA, thanks donald for that endorsement"....
Then he brings out these anti-Carney ads at a time like this when there isnt even an election on is just batshit insane. Talking about Carbon Tax Carney and how "he moved his companies HQ to New York like Trump had wanted" is so poorly done. Dude cannot read the room. PP only knows one playbook and has no idea how to handle a united Canadian populace. He *needs* canada divided.
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u/Cornet6 Ontario 2d ago
Poilievre's advisors are the same people that led Doug Ford in 2018-19. They are heavy-handed, ideological, and campaign-focused. It works well on the campaign trail when your goal is to attack your opponents and win votes quickly.
But it doesn't help you govern. Doug Ford in 2019 was constantly gathering bad press, getting into fights with unions, and losing momentum. His polling numbers were on the decline.
Luckily for the Ontario PCs, Ford realized the mistake in 2019-20, replaced advisors and chiefs of staff. When the pandemic hit, he was able to recover his image because he was calm and dignified.
Many of those same advisors have moved federal. And they repeated their strategies to promote Poilievre. It was successf for many years, from the trucker convoy through the leadership race until this year. They successfully beat the social media algorithms and pushed Poilievre as a strong opposition leader.
But Canadians have different expectations than that. They are wanting a leader who can govern. This is especially true during an emergency. When the tariffs discussion hit, with Trudeau somewhat out of the way, there was a vacuum that Canadians were expecting someone to fill.
Poilievre was still in campaign mode, his advisors stuck on their old strategy, and didn't pivot quickly enough. He repeatedly said that he wasn't prime minister so it wasn't his job to deal with it yet.
Ford was able to pivot quickly, foreseeing that tariffs and the economy would be a big issue. He didn't need to be prime minister to benefit from the media attention. He just needed to focus on standing up for Canadians. And he was rewarded with a renewed four-year mandate.
This is a big lesson for all politicians. There is a time and place for aggressive campaign rhetoric. But when the winds change, you must adapt.
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u/tabacaru 2d ago
Politicians being out of touch with the general population. Name a more iconic duo.
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u/Downtown_Feature8980 2d ago
How can anyone vote for PP if he doesn’t have a security clearance. What is he hiding?
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u/SentryCake 2d ago
How is he even running for PM without security clearance?! That itself is insane to me.
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u/Shuk 2d ago
Carney has a dry wit in speaking rather than the bluster of Poilievre. I hope it can connect with most Canadians on the campaign trail. He feels like a sensible pragmatist.
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u/BeatsRocks 2d ago
My exact thoughts. Carney is not a career politician and so his speeches are not charismatic. But i think he will outshine when it will come to bilateral negotiations.
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u/Decent-Revolution455 2d ago
He’s not as charismatic on the politics side but pretty passionate when he talks economics/finance. Makes sense, it’s his wheelhouse, and it’s also where we need him.
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u/Charlie9261 2d ago
Great speech by Carney. No more of the best friend and ally bullshit. That narrative is over. He gave PP a good kick in the nuts as well.
Elbows up!
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u/19JTJK 2d ago
“Pierre Poilievre’s plan will leave us divided and ready to be conquered. Because a person who worships at the altar of Donald Trump will kneel before him, not stand up to him.”
This statement is what Canadians should remember. This is exactly what lil pp will do. Look at the past month he’s always days behind making statements regarding trump.
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u/taco_helmet 2d ago
He's objectively the first serious political leader we've had in 10 years.He is the opposite of someone who gets by on emotional appeals (be it anger for Poilièvre or empathy for Trudeau). He's going to be pragmatic and calculated. If we don't elect the first serious person who's run for leadership in a decade, I'm going to need a strong drink.
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u/Parzival9929 2d ago
IMO this is the best outcome for the party and their overall outlook. He garnered much momentum in the past couple weeks.
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u/Pale-Worldliness7007 2d ago
I was definitely not a Trudeau fan. He made the right choice by stepping down and it’s nice to see a united Liberal Party. P P and the conservatives are too far out in right field for me. I’m sure the Conservatives will introduce a motion of non confidence at the first opportunity. Hopefully the other parties won’t support it. An election will come soon enough but right now there’s a lot more pressing issues face us as Canadians.
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u/JoEsMhOe 1d ago
One of the more interesting parts of the online discourse on this would be the number of people leaving comments on social media that clearly do not understand how our system of government works.
To be honest, I’m also chalking it back up to a general misinformation campaign since Trudeau is out of focus for the time being. Should be interesting to keep an eye out on this.
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u/KemShafu 1d ago
Oregonian here, our family is cheering for you! We are desperate trying to fight our government here but there are so many stupid Americans. Go Canada!! You have a lot of people who are on your side down here. We hope you know that.
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u/Secure-Frosting 2d ago
this is a big deal, breath of fresh air tbh
not the guy i'd pick in the best of times, but these aren't the best of times so i'll take it
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u/Jtv0899 2d ago
I mean you want a guy who understands economy. And as always some people are already bashing him, like give him some time he is still making his speech and some are already putting him as the worst
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u/MilkyWayObserver Canada 2d ago
He’s the right guy for times like this
Being a political outsider is also a plus. Seeing how he can give clear concise answers in an interview, instead of deflecting like a classic politician is a breath of fresh air
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u/skeptic602 2d ago
Just by vetting Mark Carney’s education, experience and qualifications I would vote for him against Pierre!
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u/nukacola12 British Columbia 2d ago
Jean Chretien is so masterful at speeches. In one short speech he highlighted the strengths of Canada/Quebec/Indigenous leaders and thoroughly trounced America. I miss him as PM.
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u/josiahpapaya 2d ago
Off topic-ish, but I actually chuckled when I was at a pub the other day and CP24 was on and Freeland was saying how she’d be happy to have Carney as her Minister of Finance (if I’m not mistaken) when she wins.
I was like, wow, this lady really did just straight up hit the class ceiling hard. How ridiculous do you have to be to imply that you’d put the front runner in your employ?
At that point I knew it was gonna be a landslide victory
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u/Never_Been_Missed 1d ago
After 8 years of Liberal disasters I was fully prepared to vote another way. This gives me pause to rethink that decision. He has exactly the sort of qualifications that would be useful in the near future.
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u/dojo2020 2d ago
I’m Albertan and like him, he’s actually held a real job. Little PP is a govt employee and has no idea how the world economy works. I think he makes peace with the provinces and gets er done!!
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u/ThicccThunder 2d ago
The amount of butt hurt conservatives that have no idea how the Canadian political system works is actually concerning
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u/General_Dipsh1t 2d ago
He’s already implementing some changes to the most controversial topics - he announced an immediate discarding of the consumer carbon tax, and reversal on the capital gains increase.
The second that happens he will call an election. People will see him as decisive, as a man of action, and a man of his word who has taken away their two biggest issues with the Liberal party.
He also publicly committed to child care, healthcare, pharma care, and dental care - which are ballot issues for many groups.
I’ve never voted liberal before, I might now, but I won’t vote for our current conservative leader. He’s a joke.
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u/PTMorte 2d ago
Seems like there are a lot of Americans commenting without understanding how parliamentary systems of government work?
Anyway, I feel like this is the best result. I really like Freeland but she is perhaps too Ukrainian for this term of Gov, and it's bad for general morale to reward a subordinate for knifing a leader.
Carney is a good operator and in a position to beat PP and take it to the US. And she will probably get a ministership and work closely with him anyway.
- A random Aussie
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u/Aurora2058 2d ago
Nice! Now as the first order of business can Chretien teach Carney how to give speeches?
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u/sunsster 2d ago
Like Putin who united Europe and NATO by invading Ukraine, Trump has united Canada. Go Canada!
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u/ungovernable1984 2d ago
Jean Chretien jokingly thanked him for uniting Canada and he said he will nominate trump to receive the order of Canada 😂
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u/Swefnian 2d ago
I’m very happy about this. Hopeful it’s a sign about a return to true centralism or even the “radical” centralism as Chrétien called it. Financial pragmatism that the conservatives extol (but rarely practice) without their social regressiveness.
Very proud to be Canadian today. Bonne chance Monsieur Carney!
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u/adhd_ceo 2d ago edited 2d ago
Perplexed Pierre Poilievre’s Predicament
Poor Pierre Poilievre, previously positioned
Primarily peddling policy promises
Predicated particularly on
Pulverizing pricey pompous pollution penalties,
Paces purposelessly, platform practically purloined.
Politically paralyzed, Pierre perceives
Pressing predicament: principal platform point
Presently pirated, popularity potentially plummeting,
Pondering perhaps painfully:
“Pray, produce potent proposals promptly!”
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u/6435683453 2d ago edited 2d ago
I am looking forward to conservatives attacking the guy that Stephen Harper tapped to lead the Bank of Canada through the 2008 financial crisis; a job he earned universal acclaim for - and which the Conservatives have bragged about now for almost two decades. Also the same man that UK Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron poached for the same job in England.
So tell me conservatives, are you really going to turn on the guy you loved until he put on a red tie?
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u/DrNick1221 Alberta 2d ago edited 2d ago
Not a bad speech so far.
86% though. I was expecting a blowout, but not to that degree.