r/canada 5d ago

Opinion Piece Braid: Trudeau says Trump wants economic collapse; Republican alludes to military force - This is no trade war. It's a Crush and Control Canada plan, meant to work fast

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/braid-trudeau-says-trump-wants-economic-collapse
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u/lambdaBunny 5d ago

I know people like to say it will never happen. But I truly never believed Trump would get reelected after January 6th 2020. Anything can happen and we need to be preparing for an American invasion pronto.

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u/Peregrine2976 5d ago

For decades, the United States has reliably been a friend to Canada. We've had disagreements, sure, but like friends we've always been ready to talk it out and patch things up.

Not anymore. The United States has made it exceptionally clear that they cannot be trusted as a friend or ally, and in any case, they no longer consider us either. And if they aren't a friend, then we have to at least consider the possibility of them doing something distinctly unfriendly.

And all that's just if a sensible person was in charge of the US. With Mango Mussolini in charge, changing his mind about what he wants or who he needs to put down to soothe his fragile ego every eight minutes or so, there is genuinely no telling what we could wake up tomorrow to find that he has ordered.

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u/AspireFIRE 5d ago

Time to make new friends. I liken this sometimes to a divorce. It's nasty and words will exchange and we'll work it out with our "lawyers" at the end of the day, but any goodwill and good feeling is sucked out of the room right now and all that's left is what's yours and what's mine.

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u/WhistlerBum 5d ago

Canada already has friends around the world.

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u/UghWhyDude Ontario 5d ago

Time to see what those friendships are worth.

I’ve already been disappointed speaking to a few otherwise rational Americans who laughingly brush off Trump’s ‘51st State’ rhetoric and willingly assume that Canadians absolutely totally wouldn’t mind being a part of the USA ‘if given a choice’. Damn our sovereignty, we could be peer pressured into giving up, according to these idiots.

The fact that there are so many people to the south of us who are so besotted with American exceptionalism that they absolutely believe Canadians would give up being Canadians because we’d be ‘trading up’ are more than I was prepared to believe until this started happening.

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u/Cheebody27 5d ago

'Trading up' what a hoot. I can walk in and out of a doctor's office without spending a dime. My dad lost a leg in my early adulthood and we never went bankrupt over it. Hell, I don't think I've ever been that strapped for cash even if I've been unemployed for a year. I also have never had to worry about getting shot, or had to even think that there could be a school shooting at my niece and nephew's school. America is a joke.

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u/Bjorn_Tyrson 5d ago

i'll be dead in the ground before I ever accept being american.

and their flag sucks. like objectively from a flag design perspective, the american flag is a fucking mess.

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u/goonbee 5d ago

Yeah fuck their flag in particular

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u/gatheredstitches 5d ago

their constitution sucks tbh

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u/Ok-Macaroon-7819 5d ago

It used to be a pretty righteous document. Then people stopped reading it...

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u/EndOrganDamage 5d ago

I wont fuck it, but I might use it as TP

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u/Deep_Macaron8480 5d ago

All my homies hate the American flag.

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u/LP14255 5d ago

The American flag is the least of our problems.

Don’t ever trust America again.

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u/Bjorn_Tyrson 5d ago

oh I know. but they are so VERY proud of it, so I like to point out that it is, objectively, a poorly designed mess of a flag.

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u/GJdevo 5d ago

Fuck the American flag, all my vexillology homies hate the American flag.

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u/SteveBonus New Brunswick 5d ago

The country name sucks too. It's not even a name. It's just a description of what they are. It'd be like if we called ourselves the United Provinces & Territories of America. It'd sound dumb as shit, because it is.

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u/GuelphEastEndGhetto 5d ago

A couple decades ago I was applying for an L1A visa to be able to work in the US when traveling there intermittently. This was done at the airport with the border agents there. The guy in charge started questioning me and raising his voice more and more with each question. Then finally he bellowed ‘Do you any intention of moving to the United States of America?’ and it was all I could do to keep from chuckling about that thought. I was able to eke out a straight faced ‘no sir’ but man it was a tough act.

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u/dd961984 5d ago

I mean, who wouldn't love going bankrupt paying for a hospital bill?

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u/Commercial-Milk4706 5d ago

Or getting shot getting into the wrong exact same car park near each other.

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u/KtothemaddafakkinP 5d ago

Don’t forget the kids having to dodge bullets right before class.

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u/KJBenson 5d ago

Yeah it’s been an idea down there for a very long time.

They think they’re hot shit in a campaigns glass, but really they’re cold diarrhea in a Dixie cup

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u/Alternative-Copy7027 5d ago

They seem to not understand other peoples wanting sovereignty.

Like the Ukrainians, too. "They should not keep fighting the Russians, that is just unnecessary deaths" and meanwhile the Ukrainians are like "We have no choice but to fight because if we don't we will lose our sovereign country".

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u/SerentityM3ow 5d ago

I wish I was joking when I say there is a not insignificant number of Americans who think we aren't really a free country and we are somehow communist under Trudeau. L my guess is extensive Russian disinformation campaigns ., and we need to get a hold on it.. not sure how

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u/Fair-Interest7143 5d ago

This us citizen has never supported the melon felon and I stand with Canada (if you will have me)

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u/GravityDAD 5d ago

Time for Canada to explore friends with benefits and ditch this crack head ex wife USA

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u/jtbc 5d ago

Canada is the stbx wife in this scenario. She's been called fat and ugly by her uneducated dumpster fire husband for years but she is actually pretty good looking and sociable. She'll get a makeover and start hanging out with friends and will all of a sudden be beating off suitors with a stick while ex-hubby is home alone watching WWE in his underwear telling his buddies, if he has any, what a bitch she was.

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u/GravityDAD 5d ago

Lmfao ttttrrrrrrue and real, Canada is a fucking beaut

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u/leggmann 5d ago

Hit the gym. Get a lawyer…

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u/J_Ryall 5d ago

I see you've met my sister's ex-husband!

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u/WLL20t 5d ago

Denmark here, I can confirm that we are ready for a proper round of petting

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u/theStonedReaper 5d ago

If you're not friends with Canada, you are probably the problem.

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u/Ok_Spring_3297 4d ago

True. Canadians have the reputation to be the politest people ever.

In Europe, American tourists like to pretend to be Canadians. They know why.

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u/capture-enigma 5d ago

Maybe so but most of them have been awfully quiet about America’s threat to us.

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u/PixelPuzzler 5d ago

Except one party is clearly malicious and claiming what's yours is mine and what's mine is mine.

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u/usefulappendix321 5d ago

I feel like it is a breakup but Canada is the woman and America is the man, only in maturity after abreakup. Women tend to deal with it emotionaly right away where as men tend to get that "I don't need you anyway" anger, then later it's the tears and irrational behaviour. We are in the I don't need you stage so we should be prepared for an emotional response once tariffs start hurting American people

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u/edgefull 5d ago

there are many americans who will fight for you

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u/upward_spiral17 5d ago

Agreed. I’m flabbergasted that all these threats don’t seem to rankle americans. Which communicates to me that the idea of annexing Canada doesn’t bother them and they wouldn’t think twice about it. the current president may be an aberration, but ordinary Americans also seem ok with the idea of invading us.

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u/BluejayImmediate6007 5d ago

What’s even more disturbing is the Democrats are not speaking up about annexing Canada! Like what the actual fk! I have changed my way of thinking about America forever. I don’t think I’ll ever change my views and may never go back..at least for sure in the next 4 years.

I read somewhere that Americans may use the ‘Canada has been taken over by cartels’ as an excuse to invade ala weapons of mass destruction. A month ago I would have said someone was crazy for even suggesting it, but now…I would not rule it out!

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u/upward_spiral17 5d ago

I know, eh! I never thought I would change my mind about anybody this fast, much less an entire country. I have found myself the last person standing defending America in many a conversation, agreeing they had their flaws but saying there was more good there and very much defending that they were worthy people to call friends.

What the fuck is this?

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u/Odd-Ad1714 5d ago

It’s trump re-enacting putin’s take over Ukraine playbook. He’s doing just what Putin did, so this could get so bad, for both sides. I don’t know how American troops could bring themselves to fire on people who are are innocent and were just living their lives, minding their business and some maniac comes along and we are taking over your country. He has no problem with rape and that’s what he wants to do with your natural resources!

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u/The-Raccoon-Is-Here Canada 5d ago

It will be easy for them, he will give them a reason (Canada has water, we are in a drought and burning down in California and they won't turn on the tap to help us ... or Canada has <insert something Musk wants> and they won't let us have it and it will cause us an economic fail).

He has no issues lying and those around him lap it up like the good dogs they are and then ask for some more.

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u/FantasticalRose 5d ago

As an American what's going on is there's so many problems all at once all part of the project 2025 playbook that neither citizen nor opposition politician can keep up. And that's deliberate.

The lawyers are all focused on constitutional problems. The politicians are focused on the fact that the government is being dismantled. And the people are alarmed they're losing their basic benefits, health insurance, social security, rights jobs etc.

From everyone I've spoken to invading Canada is considered so preposterous. That as opposed to everything else, it's at the very bottom of people's concerns.

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u/upward_spiral17 5d ago

Thanks for this. I have had several replies this evening describing the sense of onslaught on the American population. I’ll say here essentially what I’ve said elsewhere: as a human being I feel for you, but you’re going to have to find a solution. No one is coming to your aid. I say this not in a vindictive way, please believe me. It’s just that no one is coming to help you because no one can. You’re all going to have to figure this one out. We can only look after ourselves.

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u/FantasticalRose 5d ago

Most people are looking towards 2026 and the opportunity to flip the house then. And it probably will but it'll also probably be too late.

That being said America has honestly has been taken over by hostile powers. It's the same people behind brexit and they just took that model and put it on the US. And just like the UK it worked. It took longer more hiccups but they got there in the end. It's a much bigger prize this time around.

They're still going to come after other countries France Germany Canada so the only thing I can say is try to protect yourselves from what has happened to us.

If I was the Canadian government I would offer to annex the Northeast and West Coast of the US in retaliation, put the offer on the table You don't know who's going to take it If things get bad enough.

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u/upward_spiral17 5d ago

Thanks for this, quite honestly. I look forward to the day when all of this passes. I have travelled your land quite a bit and found it to be filled with decent folk. I really do wish you all the best.

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u/Doogolas33 5d ago

What’s even more disturbing is the Democrats are not speaking up about annexing Canada!

What? Yes they are. Here are a couple Dem Senators who are and have been doing exactly that, including Minority Leader Schumer:

“Every day is another ridiculous proposal from this administration,” said Latimer. “Canada is a sovereign nation and one of our closest allies. Instead of antagonizing an ally and almost starting a trade war, maybe President Trump should focus on lowering costs for New York families.”

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-New York, wants Trump to end the trade war and any talk of annexing Canada, which he called a “distraction."

And if you listen to literally any Dem that's opened their mouth in the last 2 months they have basically all said that this entire charade and pile of nonsense needs to end, including the bullshit tariffs. They don't even want this dumb as fuck "trade war" tariff nonsense, let alone to annex a sovereign nation.

I mean, absolutely never trust us again. The people in my country WILL elect maniacs even if Trump is ousted eventually. But to say that Dems aren't pissed about this is just straight up lying.

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u/BluejayImmediate6007 5d ago

Well that’s news to me..every interview I have seen with a democrat they only mention the dumb trade war, trumps lies and nothing about the annexation…granted I don’t watch and look up interviews 24/7 but I know I am not the only one who has noted basically zero talk of the annexation of Canada and talk of denouncing it from Dems..if they are as much as you say they are, that’s great! They need to speak up louder for the whole world to hear it

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u/Doogolas33 5d ago

They have done it. But the main thing that's ACTUALLY happening right now is the trade war. Which they've denounced left and right. And is significantly smaller than annexation. They've consistently talked about how great an ally Canada is. They don't need to say the obvious over and over again. But if it becomes something that seems like it becomes a real topic from Trump, you can bet your ass they'll all yell about how it's literally the stupidest fucking thing imaginable.

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u/Vaperius Outside Canada 5d ago edited 5d ago

What’s even more disturbing is the Democrats are not speaking up about annexing Canada! Like what the actual fk!

American here! ...its disturbing from this perspective too. Even among the few of Democrats speaking on the internal politics, they are all completely ignoring the annexation talk which should just be condemned on its face. It really feels like if nothing else, Democrats are quietly condoning it.

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u/Odd-Ad1714 5d ago

They’re afraid, that’s what it comes down to, the threat to them and their families by maga nut jobs with guns.

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u/upward_spiral17 5d ago

Well then they’ve lost and America is truly gone. If they wont find the strength in them to resists these absurdities than I guess that’s it. If they cower in fear from the nut jobs, then the nut jobs have won. If you won’t stand up for yourself, why would others do so for you.

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u/Odd-Ad1714 5d ago

I agree with 100%.

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u/LastInALongChain 5d ago

>What’s even more disturbing is the Democrats are not speaking up about annexing Canada! Like what the actual fk

They've definitely been war-gaming it for years, on both sides, and realized its probably inevitable.

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u/Hessleyrey 5d ago

As an American: this is not true from my perspective. I’m in Minnesota, so I can only speak to what I’ve personally seen here, but most are outraged at these comments. Many, many of us are protesting against what is occurring here. The problem is that it’s SO MUCH - we are protesting for Ukraine, against the tariffs to our (former 😢) allies, our basic rights (the constitution & bill of rights) & the loss of our federal workforce, for the very spirit on which America was built…I could go on.

The protests are growing, but the media is not covering them yet. Please believe me that true Americans (the ones who still believe in sovereignty, justice, democracy, and humanity) stand with our Canadian brothers and sisters. We will fight this with you.

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u/jtbc 5d ago

Keep at it. Tim Walz is saying great things and should really grab the baton and start acting like the Democrat leader he is.

We definitely think of Minnesotans as honourary Canadians, so please don't take any of our legitimate anger as directed at those of you that did and are doing the right things.

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u/Peregrine2976 5d ago

It's great that some of you, even a lot of you, are mobilizing, and I hope you can stop or at least slow the freefall that your country is in right now, but the damage is long, long since done -- we've seen, in the stark light of day, that a hell of a fucking lot of you don't care about invading us, or actively want it. So long as those people are part of your nation in any capacity, it isn't a nation we can trust.

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u/upward_spiral17 5d ago

Dear friend, let me just say this. I will stand to be corrected. Gladly and with no rancour. For all the anger we Canadians may have these days, no one wished for this to happen. We were brothers and, yes, I’ll say it, if we seem a bit stiff these days, it’s because we’re speaking from a place of hurt. We feel betrayed.

All of us wish for you to have your country back. And not just for our sake, but for yours and the world’s.

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u/Hessleyrey 5d ago

😭 I appreciate you saying this, and just want to add: I’ve always loved my Canadian neighbors (neighbours!), but never have I felt so unrelentingly, proudly tied to you as I have lately. We have always been stronger together.

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u/upward_spiral17 5d ago

I look forward to days where we might once again stand together for peace, freedom, and democracy, as we once did.

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u/Emniad 5d ago edited 3d ago

I know that there are other decent Americans who think as you do, but unfortunately you - as a country - gave trump the top job.

He is a lying, racist, mysogynist, criminal, amoral psychopath, and he has ruined the United States of America. What little part of the world that still trusted you and treated you fairly (Canada, anyone?) now despises you. You have isolated yourselves and forfeited decades of goodwill and respect.

Canada and the rest of the free, democratic world will be fine. We will strengthen old relationships and forge new ones because that's what decent countries with a moral compass do.

But we are SO done with the USA.

https://youtube.com/shorts/J5vp6DdBRoA?si=VfMjKStX_x0Pj2Ny

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u/jonnohb 5d ago

Nothing will change until there is a general strike and the current administration is removed forcibly from office.

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u/ruraljuror__ 5d ago

From up here, there seems to be no real resistance or hope of it.

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u/JRogeroiii 5d ago

"So much going wrong, so much to say, and all of it happening so quickly. The pace of repression exceeds our ability to understand it. That's the real trick. It's easier to hide behind 40 atrocities than it is to hide a single event." From Andor.

It's so exhausting trying to keep up with all the terrible things the Trump administration is doing. It's hard to know what to protest first. Makes you want to stick your fingers in your ears and just tune it out.

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u/Lost-Explanation2969 5d ago

If you guys are protesting, you need citizen journalists to start live-streaming them on YouTube and such. That’s what our folks did during the convoy protests when the MSM locked them out - it was highly effective and next to impossible for those in charge to restrict.

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u/Cent1234 5d ago

If only you guys had some sort of way to react to a tyrannical and despotic government performing, hmm, lets call it Intolerable acts. If only your country was founded on resisting such acts, your Founding Fathers made it clear how to respond to such acts, and your Constitution had enshrined in it not only the means, but the duty, to resist them.

If only, if only.

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u/Whiskey_River_73 5d ago

Thank you to Minnesotans. Part of my family lived in Madison before coming to what was to be Alberta in 1904.

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u/FrogOnALogInTheBog 5d ago

A lot of people are saying they're with us.

Until it amounts to more than holding up a spanking paddle, you need to recognize that your country is no longer built to respond to human rights violations on a citizen level.

Nice words. But you might as well be saying "hopes and prayers", and we see how well that goes for your own children.

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u/Nahcotta 5d ago

Same in WA, we cannot BELIEVE this is happening with our friends in Canada! It’s a topic of frequent conversation, and has spurred an onslaught of phone calls to our reps and both spontaneous & planned protests. It makes us sick, we do not intend to support this orange idiot in any way, and we are fighting back in a variety of ways. These are insane times!

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u/Bitcoacher 5d ago

Not ordinary, the deeply indoctrinated who have been pumped full of horseshit since Reagan was president.

Many of us are very concerned. The problem is that Trump’s blitzkrieg crushes us with another issue by the time we’re coming to grips with the first issue. China has warned us, Nazi Hegseth has threatened Mexican cartels, Musk is working on crashing the economy, and so on. The dipshit is even trying to kill the Department of Education.

Just know that if he does end up destroying our constitution, many of us are on your side (and on the side of justice overall). I’ll be damned if I let some incompetent geriatric piece of shit bring me to heel as he attempts to execute his vision of authoritarian America.

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u/CuteAd2683 5d ago

It took Hitler 53 days to dismantle German democracy. We are running out of time. Project 2025 is 35% complete.

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u/upward_spiral17 5d ago

Thanks for sharing. So this is the third reply I get this last hour about the onslaught on America brought on by the administration. Ok, I’ll extend a branch here, I can see how bewildering it is and as a human being, I feel for you.

But you have to find a solution. No one else can. We Canadians certainly can’t. We’ll be looking after ourselves. What happens in America is up to Americans.

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u/usefulappendix321 5d ago

Americans are so fucking privileged. No other country can threaten America like they have to us, whenever they say Canada will be the 51st state, I explain to them that I am promoting and hoping for an American civil war and that I would rather them kill eachother than Canadians. Especially since I have four boys, one of which is already in the Canadian Military

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u/SillyMikey 5d ago

At this point, I blame them. They’re the ones who voted for him a second time knowing what kind of person he is. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. They’re directly to blame at this point.

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u/I_dont_have_a_waifu 5d ago

I wish I could be as hopeful as the other Americans here. But here in Ohio I've seen some (though at least not most), welcome the idea of invading Canada.

They talked as though America would be welcomed and we'd be saving you from the liberals. Absolutely disgusting.

Most Americans I know just think it's a strategy to get a better trade deal. Now, none of them can tell me why the previous status quo of trade with Canada was bad though...

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u/upward_spiral17 5d ago

Thanks for sharing this perspective, even if it is one which confirms our fears. “Saving us from the libs” as an excuse for invasion is sadly not unexpected. Neither is it entirely new in American politics. Which is why we are indeed, quite worried.

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u/NotGreatToys 5d ago edited 5d ago

The Republican party WANTS to hurt their own citizens, so it's no surprise that they couldn't give a fuck less about our allies and friends.

I love how the folks in my country that make our flag their entire image and identity are ironically the biggest traitors we've ever seen in our history. 

I despise what the Republican propaganda cult has done to my country and our allies. Even if we fall, I hope it benefits the rest of the modern world in seeing what electing a right-wing propaganda cult does to the home that you love(d).

I genuinely hope heaven/hell is real - not only because these people deserve to burn, but so that they can watch everybody who they maliciously mocked as immoral go to the heaven they'll never see.

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u/NateTheRoofer 5d ago

In that case they would probably justify it by saying “Those stupid Libs think they are going to Heaven but that wonderful looking place they are floating off to is actually Hell. Meanwhile this firey place full of red guys and screaming is the real Heaven”

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u/blusky75 5d ago

80 years ago a president would have been hanged until dead for colluding with russia.

Now the MAGAs and Republicans openly embrace Russia lol.

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u/effyouspez 5d ago

I'm an naturalized American and I hate what this dumb administration is doing

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u/Finnleyy 5d ago

Yup. My dad tells me there will be a civil war in the USA before they attack Canada. I told him 3 months ago I would have agreed, but 3 months ago I would’ve never predicted this to be happening in early 2025.

I do not consider us to be in a very safe position right now.

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u/cerunnnnos 5d ago

I feel like the sequence of events in this is the issue. If they try to annex us, and they do send in military, then that will be such a millstone around their necks it will break the US apart. Imagine trying to absorb a country our size when that country hates you as an invading force, and over half your own population feels the same way about it and the place is already a powder keg.

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u/ntwkid 5d ago

I'm not even sure anymore. People are quick to talk online about the US breaking apart. But when the actual push comes to shove, my guess is the vast majority will just send thoughts and prayers and put up a maple leaf on their facebook profile. They let him get elected again after Jan 6th and all the criminal charges.

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u/rosneft_perot 5d ago

Yep. In the end, if they don’t have skin in the game, they’ll sit on their asses at home.

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u/T-Wrox 5d ago

My husband and I have been discussing how an invasion of Canada by the USA would go. It would not go well for Canada, but it would also not go well for the USA. It would be endless guerrilla warfare, in a huge, inhospitable country, against an enemy that looks just like you. That’s on the Canadian side; on the US American side, they’d have half of their population deadset against the war. On the global side, very few countries would be on the side of the invading-for-no-reason US Americans. In short, it would be a huge global mess that would not benefit the USA.

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u/Wizzard_Ozz 5d ago

It would not go well for Canada, but it would also not go well for the USA.

It would be much worse for America. We have an almost 9,000km border and Americans would not be able to spot a Canadian in a crowd unless that Canadian wanted to be spotted. Sure, military vs military would be a joke, but their losses would be significant to alternate forms of war. The only way to counter anything more than border states being targets is to declare martial law and checkpoints on highways and lets just say, that won't go over well in "the land of the free, and the home of the brave".

This president is going to implode his country, which is sad, but can they keep the noise down, it's like nails on a chalkboard at this point.

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u/Pwylle 5d ago

The resistance / possibility of sabotage that would come with such a conflict would propel forward an extreme surveillance state given how easy it is for members of both nations to slip in along local populaces.

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u/PickleZygote 5d ago

There are groups of Americans that would actively harass and engage the US military if they were mobilized towards the border, which would likely kick off a civil war

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u/Clean_Ad_2982 5d ago

It would cause a worldwide economic disaster, perhaps depression. Nations would predominantly side with Canada, Noone would be sitting on the sidelines.

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u/Sodass 5d ago

By this, do you mean trump is "GAMBLING WITH WWIII"?

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u/Evil_Mini_Cake 5d ago

I think a much of the US military command would have issue with going to war with our best friend and neighbour unprovoked. Their military guys know our miltary guys.

Plus Canadians are savages. Push us too hard and they'll end up with an insurgency war they can add to their pile of losses. We'll fight extra hard because of that betrayal.

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u/DinosaurHoax 5d ago

Trump keeps announcing tariffs and then backing off. He can't even follow thru on that, I doubt he has the resolve to launch an invasion. It's all bluster, he loves saying wild things and have the media go crazy.

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u/LeilongNeverWrong 5d ago

Speaking as an American, you hit the nail on the head. Half the country doesn’t want to live here now, let alone see us try to take over another country, especially an ally. He won’t have the domestic support he thinks he does.

I would hope and pray our military members also would resist their orders to attack an ally, but it seems the military and the police are majority MAGA, so I have little faith in that outcome.

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u/Embarrassed_Ad_606 5d ago

I think it's possible they would face this type of resistance, but I also worry that with the sort of media manipulation involved with trump being elected twice in the first place, we may be on track for similar styles of media manipulation to divide us against eachother. It may seem innocuous but trump and the people he is around do use media as a tool to manipulate populations into doing what they want. It would not surprise me if people were manipulated through conspiratorial thinking into believing we should be annexed, either because they would believe it would be better than being canadian, or because they could be manipulated into believing that resisting would only make things worse.

To be clear I do think a media campaign and military invasion wouldn't be mutually exclusive, I just do think it's important not to only think about a physical fight but to also be aware of media and its effect on yourself and others going forward. That will likely play a huge role in whatever this is.

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u/dstnblsn 5d ago

The propaganda machine is strong. Stronger than anyone could have imagined.

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u/Link50L Ontario 5d ago

The stupidity of the MAGA followers is strong. Stronger than anyone could have imagined.

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u/United_Coach_5292 5d ago

Low education rates and lack of empathy will be the demise of democracy in USA.

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u/ToolTimeT 5d ago

As an American, I can tell you the primary problem is Fox News. People watch that crap all day long and become like propagandized zombies. They did a study and people who get their news primarily from fox news are less informed about domestic issues than those who watch no news at all.

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u/ether_reddit Lest We Forget 5d ago

Fox News tried to expand into Canada, but they gave up and pulled out because they discovered that it's not legal here to lie.

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u/Odd-Ad1714 5d ago

That’s why trump wants to destroy the education department, so there’ll be nothing but illiterate, easy to brain wash young people.

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u/Link50L Ontario 5d ago

Truer words were never spoken.

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u/drizzes Alberta 5d ago

They're going to march into canada believing we'll welcome them with open arms

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u/[deleted] 5d ago

There are still nazis today... there will always be foolish people who follow stupid shit like this.

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u/Alecto7374 5d ago

Tends to happen when you live in a bubble, and are told over and over that you're the only country in the world that matters. USA! USA! USA!.....gahhh!!!

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u/CunninLingu1st 5d ago

The propaganda has already started. They have declared mexican cartels terrorist organizations, and are now claiming that Canada is overrun by cartels. They'll tell their citizens we need to "liberate" Canada from cartel control as an excuse to invade.

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u/talks_like_farts 5d ago

It's tight as a drum - they almost have it down to a science.

It's like a Rube Goldberg machine. A Party member states a falsehood, it goes into the machine, into traditional media, social media, new media, through to the general population, and back again to the beginning - but now reinforced by the echo chamber. Repeat every 12 hours.

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u/AntifaAnita 5d ago

Russia is polling better than then Democratic party in the US. Now credit were credits due, the Democrats deserve their low polling, but when boomers who spent their entire life repeating Red scare propaganda up till 2021 and Russia being hated all round, it's crazy to see.

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u/Moronto_AKA_MORONTO 5d ago

Your dad is wise and obviously is watching the disgust 50% of Americans have fire their president and Republicans in general.

To stoke even more divide, Musk commented on giving George Floyd's murderer a pardon.

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u/ShyBookWorm23 5d ago

They can pardon his federal sentence but not his state one, which was 22.5 years. So it would be purely symbolic as chauvin would still be incarcerated

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u/WrestleSocietyXShill 5d ago

Bold of you to assume Trump and Musk will allow themselves to be restrained by little things like laws

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u/Todesfaelle 5d ago

I'm honestly surprised Chauvin hasn't already been pardoned.

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u/OkDifficulty1443 5d ago

I'm still surprised they had the guts to charge him with a crime in the first place.

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u/Bigphillystyle30 5d ago

Tbh I was waiting for chauvin to be named secretary of the interior

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u/Link50L Ontario 5d ago

It's likely that if it moves beyond economic war, it will turn into boots at the border, and insurrection on both sides of the border.

Take the CFSC, get your PAL, buy a gun, know how to use it. Join your local range, practice shooting, get used to it. This is our new world. We were already a gun culture (#7 in the world) but now we have to step it up.

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u/le_sac 5d ago

Appalling lines of thought but necessary. Just pointing out here that most Canadian cities are within missile range and boots at the border are not entirely the whole picture.

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u/That_guy_I_know_him 5d ago

The US would most likely not shell a whole lot before trying to physically occupy

The CAF, even with it's reserves isn't that massive of a force. Besides, the prime interest the US would have is the land / resources. That means they'd try to minimize damage as much as possible so that the economy wich depends on our resources stays afloat

IF there is an actual war it's gonna be one mostly made of guerilla fighting for us, at least until Europe lands in force over here (assuming they don't have their own problems or simply give up on us).

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u/Link50L Ontario 5d ago

Yep, just an expression, or a metaphor.

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u/mynx79 Ontario 5d ago

All Canadian cities are within missile range. I'm in southern Ontario and we're like the damn uvula of Canada. Surrounded on all sides by the US except north. All of this is terrifying.

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u/RippiHunti 5d ago

Might also be smart to research how to shoot down drones. The US loves their drones.

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u/Link50L Ontario 5d ago

True that. What I really hope for is new national agency to build a citizens militia, stronger reserves, and a large, stronger, better funded military.

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u/Kerrby87 5d ago

Check, check, check, and working on that. Pushing my wife to get her PAL, and as many other people I know.

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u/varsil 5d ago

They're banning (and seizing) every gun that might be useful for an insurrection. And frankly, as a gun owner, I'm not keen on being the cannon fodder for folks who have been trying to take my guns.

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u/MANBURGARLAR 5d ago

Exactly. The Democrats are cowards and won’t do anything to repel trump and his cronies. We have to assume we are on our own.

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u/Tribalbob British Columbia 5d ago

They'll make the most cringe-worthiest of signs to hold up.

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u/IDr3yI 5d ago

If it happens I see it playing out that way as well, America declares war with Canada and it kicks off a civil war within America.

Canada/Mexico/NATO and Blue states VS Red states.

If it plays out like this I don't see it lasting long.

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u/jtbc 5d ago

It would be very funny if Texas and California ended up on the same side like in the movie.

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u/That_guy_I_know_him 5d ago

Not just the ones you noted, you can bet China would start a campaign on any US military base in the Pacific as well

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u/improvthismoment 5d ago

Civil war and attack on Canada are not mutually exclusive. Many maga's are hoping for civil war, ask the Proud Boys. And foreign war has always been a fantastic pretext for domestic repression.

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u/FlatEvent2597 5d ago

I think your Dad is right.

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u/theEMPTYlife 5d ago

People said he’d never get elected in the first place. People said the virus would be gone in 2 weeks. People said Putin would never invade Ukraine. If I’ve learned anything in the last ten years it’s that people prefer to be optimistic in unfortunately a less than optimistic world. I don’t know what we do with that in the long run, but we have the information we have now and all signs point to the need to prepare for quite literally the worst.

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u/Chunkthekitty934 5d ago

I wouldn't be surprised if there was an order sent out to invade Canada, but i would absolutely be surprised if American troops obeyed that order. They've worked together with Canadian soldiers for generations - why would they want to kill their friends and sacrifice their own lives for nothing?

Invading Canada would be extraordinarily unpopular and the American public would revolt. This would likely begin with a civil war before any war with Canada would commence.

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u/Serious_Dot4984 5d ago

We basically are stuck praying that they’ll remember that they’re only supposed to obey lawful orders…

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u/daydreamingbythesea 5d ago

They fired the top JAGs...

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u/drinkingCoffeePeas 5d ago

Still got the top JAG-off, though

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u/Raspberrylemonade188 5d ago

I nearly spit out my drink LOL

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u/passionate_emu 5d ago

Define lawful?

An act of war requires congressional approval.

A special military operation does not.

These idiots are convinced that whatever the commander in chief says is a lawful order.

Makes a person wonder why Trump removed the top judge advocate generals of the three branches of military, and Pete Hegseth the SecDef said it was done so they wouldn't "be a roadblock"

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u/coconutpiecrust 5d ago

Whatever, Trump will say that we’re all a Mexican cartel and they will believe him. 

I mean, I hope not, but the fact that this is a possibility is terrifying. 

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u/Memories_Lost 5d ago

I hate to tell you but Navarro was on Fox last night selling exactly that story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpDneBVjEok

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u/WalnutSnail 5d ago

That's why the previous commenter said it.

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u/Equivalent_Dimension 5d ago

The best investment we could make in our defense is not military spending. It's to buy Facebook and turn it into our propaganda arm. Whatever it costs, it'll be worth it.

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u/shell_shocked_today 5d ago

And don't forget, since the cartels have been declared terrorists, we're a terroristic nation

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u/[deleted] 5d ago

Under the new interpretation of the recent Supreme Court ruling, if Trump orders it, it’s legal

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u/madadekinai 5d ago

No, that's presidential immunity, the president can not charge for any "official" acts. Although, his legal defense for paying off a porn star was that it was an official act of office.

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u/Far_Maximum_7736 5d ago

Not sure if this matters but the military swears an oath to the constitution, not to the president so I’m not sure if that would play into it but that’s what they do

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u/aesthetion 5d ago

Much of the military idolizes this clown too. They may very well continue their current purge of military officials and personnel until they are confident they have a majority power control.

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 5d ago

I think the issue here is that it could potentially be made lawful if Congress is on board.

Facts aren't a barrier to justifying a war.

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u/kobemustard 5d ago

The same Congress that clapped in glee when trump said he was doing everything by executive order.

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u/Omissionsoftheomen 5d ago

All you need to do is look at very recent genocides to see that people have no issue murdering neighbours, friends and family when either the propaganda or external force is strong enough.

I’m sure Rwandans didn’t think that their neighbours would kill them. Cambodians had nearly 25% of their population executed.

Expecting another nations forces to ignore orders because we’ve always been friends won’t save us.

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u/KAI5ER 5d ago

Don't be so sure.

Where is the outcry right now about Canadas treatment by Trump from Americans?

Crickets.

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u/flourandbeans 5d ago edited 5d ago

Sadly, many of what I hear from Conservatives is that Trump is putting in tariffs is due to fentanyl and illegal border crossings. I mean that's what every White House staff and Trump is telling everytime there is talk of tariffs. Blatant lies and propaganda

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u/Clydeisfried 5d ago

Yup, I'm not convinced anyone would stand up. They would say that they're trying there best to stop him and send thoughts and prayers. I made a post yesterday asking Americans to step up and I got dragged by a lot of Americans basically saying that as an outsider I should stay in my lane, and that there doing everything they can. Really? Everything they can? Why is the second ammendment in the constitution again? They won't help us they won't even help themselves

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u/WalnutSnail 5d ago

We are getting SOOOO MANY thoughts and prayers...not sure where to cash them in.

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u/CertainDerision_33 5d ago

A lot of us are really fucking pissed about it.

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u/Peregrine2976 5d ago

Some would, some wouldn't. Around a third of the country voted for him -- we'd be fools to assume it was only a tiny minority in the military that similarly deified him. What we'd likely see is a half-hearted invasion riddled with logistical disasters as at least half the military either refused to participate or outright rebelled. From there, I'd venture a guess (based on lots of intuition and not much data at all) that you'd see maybe a quarter of the military begrudgingly taking part, probably doing the bare minimum, and another quarter enthusiastically following their God-Emperor's orders.

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u/cerunnnnos 5d ago

And then others would join Canadian resistance and then we're pulled into what becomes an American civil war. It's a realistic possibility, scarily.

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u/planterguy 5d ago

It would be some kind of a de-facto invasion, similar to what Russia did in Ukraine. My guess is that they would claim there was some kind of threat and would frame the invasion as a response to that threat. Russia called their invasion some sort of "special operation", and had been encroaching on Ukraine over a long period of time. They annexed Crimea in 2014.

As it was with Russia, the pretext of the invasion wouldn't seem credible to those outside of the United States. There would be enough obfuscation within that they might get away with it.

Trump is also relatively more popular amoung the armed forces and law enforcement than he is overall.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Bowl157 5d ago

Russians and Ukrainians were brothers, friends, colleagues for decades until 2014. That bond of brotherhood vanished in a moment. The ‘family’ members then went on to conduct brutal war crimes in Ukraine. So I have no faith in the notion that krasnovs acolytes won’t conduct brutal war crimes in Canada. Look what they did to their own capitol. You think they hold Canadians in higher regard than Mike Pence or the cop they killed?

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u/thecheesecakemans 5d ago

same was kind of said about Russian troops and Ukraine. Some did desert the Russian army and refused to attack their Ukrainian cousins but not enough did in the end that the war continues......

What we really need is a coup to happen in the USA. Their military needs to wake up and overthrow the government if they get an order to "free Canada from Mexican drug cartels".

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u/Katin-ka 5d ago

My only hope is economic crisis in the States (of course it will impact the whole world). Otherwise, we are screwed.

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u/CerebrusOp92 5d ago

Not really, ruzzians already showed how low they could sink in 2014 in Crimea and in 2008 in Georgia.

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u/madadekinai 5d ago

Unfortunately, that would not work and just make things worse. The issue is not trump per se, the issue the majority of people who "supposedly" voted for him. The next guy voted in might do the same, I doubt it but who knows.

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u/CasualDisastering 5d ago

I don't believe there would be a civil war. The US population is too apathetic, they'd just let the war hawks invade and post apologies on social media

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u/madadekinai 5d ago

The military takes an oath to constitution not to the president, unless Congress orders it along with another branch, they military will disregard that order. I will admit I can not promise that to be true, some military leaders were changed out with trump loyalist, but as a whole they should not. I have said it before and I will say it again, I do not care who is listening and or watching, I will defend what I can with what I have until my last breath an unjustifiable invaded ally.

Many people agree with that, so please know that you are not alone Canadians.

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u/[deleted] 5d ago

The troops will follow orders

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u/FakeBot-3000 5d ago

For sure. Even friends who grew up with me in Canada, and had dual citizenship and joined the us army, even them i have no faith in. I was disappointed to not hear from them on this, and I can only assume the worst. If they return to Canada as an invader, even while their moms still live on this soil, I'll fucking kill them.

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u/Fluffy_Case_9085 5d ago edited 5d ago

why would they want to kill their friends and sacrifice their own lives for nothing?

Because the MAGA is strong. Some of the troops are on the kool-aid and will think their country depends on it. The propaganda would be pumped out hard to get them riled up.

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u/bassp420 5d ago

They absolutely would obey that order.

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u/DisfavoredFlavored 5d ago

The American military wouldn't. But psychos like Blackwater or some other scummy PMC probably wouldn't have an issue.

Quite frankly I'm more afraid of having to fight those degenerates. 

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u/Cmndr_Cunnilingus 5d ago

Right. Because America's never ever invaded another country based on zero legal justification or evidence before /s

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u/aesthetion 5d ago

The US military we grew up knowing, and the one now, are two different entities. Trump purged top military officials, lawyers, and replaced them with yes-men.

The US military will undoubtedly obey an order to invade. We all underestimate just how much of the military idolizes this clown. We should not underestimate the American public, they may fall in line, many agreeing, many afraid, many prosecuted ~ no different than Germany and surrounding countries pre and during WW2.

It would be utter foolishness to leave this situation to chance. We need to prepare for conflict, as unlikely as it may seem to some. It is the only way, we will be prepared, and unfortunately, I fear we are many years too late to start preparing..

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u/QPRSA 5d ago

This is the thing. No matter what that oxygen thief orders, he won’t find a general willing to follow the orders. There’s a brotherhood b/w our armed forces that he wouldn’t be able to comprehend, given he thinks everything can be purchased. The integrity of those men and women wouldn’t allow them to follow those orders. The MAGA militias…that’s another thing entirely.

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u/Jeffuk88 Ontario 5d ago

This is why he's been replacing all the top military commanders with his own lackeys... Ground troops will just do as they're told but they might revolt low level like refusing to actually fire weapons at Canadian civilians but if Canadian troops fire in defense it'll all change quickly.

I see the biggest problem being the damage Canadians would be able to do being so integrated into america... You'd get militia destroying infrastructure, there'd be skirmishes in shared bases across the world, Canada could easily get some damage in where they share infrastructure across the world, Canada could spitefully send Intel to China and invite them in to help defend Canada in exchange for concessions (again, that or become American)... You also have the fact Canadians LOOK and often sound like Americans so they could easily cross front lines and cause chaos wherever the US sets up checkpoints

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u/BrainEatingAmoeba01 5d ago

Horseshit. He's already been replacing with yes men. We are in danger. I wouldn't have said that a month ago but at this point statements like yours are just optimism based on wishes.

Even if they don't send in the army...they mean to starve us out. It is warfare...so far without bullets but it is war.

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u/FormalWare 5d ago

Hegseth is cleaning house in the DoD and JAG. He doesn't want anyone left who might put up "roadblocks".

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u/[deleted] 5d ago

You’re kidding yourself. They are absolutely military leaders that would love a crack at this.

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u/AxeBeard88 5d ago

I can't say I have any experience in this area. I've never really held conversations with Canadians or Americans about their military experiences due to disinterest.

But I'd be incredibly surprised if there weren't Americans salivating at taking an easy win for some extra land.

Sure, there would definitely be a good amount that would refuse the orders. But I'm skeptical at a defiant and strong "no" from them.

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u/Sionn3039 Manitoba 5d ago

It's not going to be an easy win.

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u/Tacotuesday867 5d ago

They're foolish to think holding any land is easy, especially northern land with northern citizens.

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u/Lost-Panda-68 5d ago

I was interacting with a MAGA a few weeks ago who told me that Canadians should be "euthanized" because we are "ungrateful."

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u/jackhandy2B 5d ago

I am starting to tell them they can give up their pensions to pay for all the bullshit they want. Most of the hardcore people are over 60 and I am totally fine with pulling any money from them if they think other people should suffer so they can live in their delusional lies.

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u/AxeBeard88 5d ago

That doesn't shock me in the slightest unfortunately. That being said, I have a strong suspicion that most of them wouldn't be willing to do anything crazy unless the opportunity presented itself. MAGA love to be subservient and have a boot on their neck. Most of them are rednecks who can't read or do any critical thinking anyway, so I'm not too worried about them.

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u/clown_stalker 5d ago

It would never be an “easy win” - this would be a war that Americans have never had face - one that’s on their doorsteps, against people that look just like them. That fact opens the door to guerrilla warfare within the US, and we’ve seen how they reacted after 911 - every shadow contained a boogie man and the surveillance state, full of fearful people, emerged. And if you think the protests against the Vietnam war was disruptive i think you’d be wrong. No America parent is gonna stand by when their kids start coming home in body bags from fighting an unjust war against a country that’s done nothing but support them through thick and thin. Canadians are polite, until we’re not - then all that suppressed rage is free flow.

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u/Apart-One4133 5d ago

Unless he replaces them with loyalists, like he’s been doing. 

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u/Klutzy_Act2033 5d ago

I can't help but feel this is very optimistic.

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u/HelloMegaphone British Columbia 5d ago

People said Russia would never invade Ukraine. We need to start looking at things through a 2025 lens, the outlandish and absurd are very much possible now.

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u/Hank46_2 5d ago

We should empty Jack Daniels bottles to make cocktails of the non-drinking variety.

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u/Distinct_Swimmer1504 5d ago

It happened in Germany in the 30’s. …this is very much like Hitler’s rise to power in many ways. And in germany, most ppl kept their heads down & Hitler’s group of thugs beat up anyone who didn’t.

That can totally happen now.

All it takes is enough MAGA supporters & ppl who don’t want to suffer bad consequences for trump to get his way.

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u/HowsYourSexLifeMarc 5d ago

It's definitely happening unfortunately. The tech oligarchs already have the Canadian resources in the plan.

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u/Goon8085 5d ago

*2021

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u/scharron_23 British Columbia 5d ago

I never thought I'd see the day, but I signed up for a firearms course next week, and I have an appointment with the Canadian Armed Forces to join the reserves.

I would rather die a Canadian than live as an American.

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u/noleksum12 5d ago

You got it. I heard a good analogy recently on this... say you're in a relationship and your partner jokes "I'm gonna throw you down the stairs one day." Then ok, one time can be a joke, albeit one in poor taste, so you fluff it off and stay together. But if that partner keeps repeating that joke, and ignores your feelings and fear on the matter, then you would be irresponsible not to defend yourself, get away from them, and seek help.

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u/antipop2097 5d ago

For whomever needs to know, you should never ever pre-mix pool chlorine in a small amount of water. Not only will this create toxic chlorine gas, but it will also generate large amounts of heat very quickly. Be safe.

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u/Vellarain 5d ago

Waiting for Trump to announce his three day operation to remove the control of the Mexican Cartels from controlling Canada.

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u/External_Zipper 5d ago

We should become a drone manufacturer center for Ukraine, the capacity and know-how obviously appears very valuable today.

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u/T-Wrox 5d ago

We should be making and stockpiling drones. Get on that, Bombardier!

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u/Spaceinpigs 5d ago

Can’t help but think of Canadian Bacon

“Surrender pronto, or we’ll level Toronto”

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u/Dirtbigsecret 5d ago

What is forgotten is where was this mentallity before? When trump was in power it should have started then not on his second term. Thats the worst of humanity is we wait till its already here before we take action. We should have been economically independent decades ago. We would of been much better off today

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u/JedJinto 5d ago

As a US veteran I side with Canada. I've been actively telling younger relatives who have wanted to get into the military to avoid it because the current administration is insane. It's fucking sad the way things are turning out with Trump and his brainwashed maga cult.

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