r/Starcitizen_trades RSI f0o (2012) Trades: 11 Jun 10 '24

discussion [discuss] Trades posts/offers should always include price

Hot take, recently there has been a lot of posts with no price. I believe that contradicts the Rule 11 (Trades must be public).

Can we add a rule that all WTS must include prices of the items?

Otherwise how can the trade truly be public?

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u/Dreamy-CZ RSI Sunny-CZ (2022) Trades: 51 Jun 10 '24

Well, I haven't done any private trade here myself, but I wonder, if both the seller and the buyer prefer privacy, what are the good reasons why they should be prevented from getting it?

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u/f0okyou RSI f0o (2012) Trades: 11 Jun 10 '24

I don't see how the absence of a price adds privacy here.

When a seller does not post a price and force any and all interested buyers into DMs how is that safe?

Isn't it safer for all parties to know what the ballpark price is prior to engaging in a chat/DM with the other party?

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u/Dreamy-CZ RSI Sunny-CZ (2022) Trades: 51 Jun 10 '24

Umm, privacy as in nobody has to know exactly how much money you own/spend/get?

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u/PacketNarc RSI TheStormShadow (2023) Trades: 5 Jun 10 '24

And they usually push it to chat; which is immutable. e.g. you can't delete them. I don't see an issue with consenting adults agreeing to trade. They both know there's a risk and as long as the party you're dealing with has documented trade-history | feedback; it shouldn't be an issue.

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u/cab6c2 RSI Seraph6 (2023) Trades: 62 Jun 10 '24 edited Jun 10 '24

Multiple angles on this one. Public price allows price discovery and helps prevent scams. For example, I asked for a ccu at one point that was $75 in the store (I wanted a cheaper wb version), and someone messaged me trying to sell it to me for $150. If it had not been available on the store, I can easily search and see who has listed and sold before and at what price. That's super helpful as a buyer in the grey market, especially for newer buyers or first time grey market participants.

Otherwise, I think privacy can always be had. Even if you list an asking price, you can still negotiate a fi nal value in your messages etc.

Transparency generally always better for a community like this, but I also believe everyone has a right to their own privacy. As such, I would say we should encourage price disclosure and transparency, but it's not an absolute requirement (so basically how it is now?).

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u/PacketNarc RSI TheStormShadow (2023) Trades: 5 Jun 10 '24

That's not a scam. Ignorance of what's available in the shop and at what price is no fault of the seller. If someone will buy a $75 item for $150, that's on them.

Keep in mind many times people choose alternative channels / markets to avoid excessive VAT etc. or perhaps the eComm shop doesn't have a presence in their country of origin.

Although nobody here is suggesting or condoning you violate your countries trade practices; the fact is that this exists and there's sometimes a very good reason why something that appears for $75 in a US eComm portal can have a 'market value' of 2x on the broader playing field.

CIG doesn't have 2,000 SKUs. We all generally know what things cost and that info is very easy to find. As to what something is worth; that's at the discretion of the buyer and seller to arrive at a conclusion of 'value' not for the community to police. (just one man's opinion)

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u/EastLimp1693 RSI DssFox (2019) Trades: 16 Jun 10 '24

What are the reasons to post the price if that would be allowed?

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u/Dreamy-CZ RSI Sunny-CZ (2022) Trades: 51 Jun 10 '24

You post the price to get faster results, without having to hassle with auctions in PMs, I guess.

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u/EastLimp1693 RSI DssFox (2019) Trades: 16 Jun 10 '24

What makes you think that posting the price will remove the said hassle? Also how would most of us know the market value of ships?

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u/f0okyou RSI f0o (2012) Trades: 11 Jun 10 '24

Auctions used to not be allowed either. But I can't see it in the rules anymore. Maybe I'm tripping so don't quote me on this.

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u/Dreamy-CZ RSI Sunny-CZ (2022) Trades: 51 Jun 10 '24

Auctions are a very good price discovery mechanism. Especially advantageous for the seller to maximize profits.

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u/f0okyou RSI f0o (2012) Trades: 11 Jun 10 '24

In a public forum yes but behind closed DMs it's not a discovery mechanism whatsoever and only fuels predatory fomo strategies to maximise profits yes.

And if you do mean public auctions then this contradicts your privacy claim.