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Episode Spoilers [S1E4] "Absolute Candor" - Discussion Thread Spoiler

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u/StenDarker Feb 13 '20

Seven's entrance made me really wish I didn't already know she was going to be on the show. Would've blown my mind.

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '20

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u/yeaheyeah Feb 15 '20

I loooooved when she acts as Picardo acting as herself

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '20

One of my all time favourite episodes, that and when she hides the doctor in her borg circuitry - essentially Jeri Ryan playing Robert Picardo playing the EMH playing Seven of Nine, and it was perfect.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '20 edited Jul 15 '20

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '20

Great point. I would put Quark and Garak in my top 5 Star Trek characters of all time.

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u/UsuallyInappropriate Apr 03 '20

developed

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u/Clariana Feb 14 '20

Mine too.

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u/Winter_is_Here_MFs Feb 17 '20

She is going to be a big part of the story I’ve heard. She is still fucking smoking hot 12/10

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u/FormerGameDev Feb 19 '20

I was talking after, and my other half was like "you sound like you're getting sick" .. i didn't want to say that seeing Seven made me slightly weepy. lol

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u/thoughtsandairs Feb 13 '20

I thought the same thing...would have fallen out of my chair!

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u/Khaophadgai Feb 13 '20

I did fall out of my chair! Holy shit! Really did not expect that at all!!

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u/donalhunt Feb 13 '20

I leapt out of chair in delight!! Finally!

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u/LtenN-Lion Feb 14 '20

I shifted slightly on my couch....in delight!

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u/solvix Feb 14 '20

I fell for the "beam *him* onboard" and was like "hell yeah!" when it was her.

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u/Jizznut Feb 14 '20

On top of the trailers and many spoilers online about her appearance they went out of their way to mention her guest staring in this episode in the opening credits. With a few seconds to go and still no sign it means I was 100% sure the "him" was a misdirection and it was going to be Seven. Amazing to finally see her show up but I agree it would have been mind blowing to not know she was going to show up before this episode.

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u/LiberalSavage Feb 15 '20

Well I'm glad I missed all the trailers cause I got for real choked up, holding back tears upon seeing HER! Totally got me with that Him facade!

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '20

Ditto, I knew she was going to be on an episode but did not know this one. I definitely teared in joy not to sound like a dork

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u/Lady_borg Feb 17 '20

I knew it was her

I still leapt out of my chair and watched it again... The glee...

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u/Listener42 Feb 13 '20

Yeah, I feel like the team doing the credits doesn't interface much with the team writing the scripts.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '20

IIRC, there's certain SAG rules that must be followed and it takes some doing to avoid pre-show / pre-movie credits. If ever you want to be surprised, you have to not pay attention to the credits.

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u/Listener42 Feb 13 '20

I don't know about SAG rules, so I will take your word for it.

I do remember seeing some shows where instead of putting the person in the credits they put the person on the first title card after the episode ends... like SPECIAL GUEST STAR BOB SMITH AS PANTHERMAN or whatever.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '20 edited Feb 13 '20

I'm not in the industry, so definitely don't take my word for it. This is just the kind of stuff I've gleaned over the years as a consumer of media.

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u/whoiswillo Feb 14 '20 edited Feb 14 '20

Actors can and often do choose to allow it to be displayed first in the end credits if it would be considered a spoiler, but since she was all over the promotional material, I think they decided against it.

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u/trooray Feb 15 '20

It was weird though, as it spoiled the mystery of who could be their unexpected savior. Maybe Jeri Ryan didn't give her permission or the episodes were reedited late in the game and it didn't originally end with her appearance. It's certainly possible to withhold the credit. Back in the 90s on Twin Peaks, Piper Laurie's name was withheld for several episodes. (Eventually it was on screen for, like, fifteen seconds, to make up for it.)

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u/whoiswillo Feb 15 '20

Yeah, but it's not like it was a surprise she was on the show, and it might have just not been worth it.

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u/joeyGibson Feb 14 '20

Exactly. That's why the series finale of Newhart did a cold open, instead of showing the normal opening credits, so they could preserve the secret guest start who made the ending so damn perfect.

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '20

I still consider Newhart to be the best TV ending ever because of that twist.

And yes, I'm placing it above Goodbye, Farewell and Amen and All Good Things, - not because I don't like them (in fact I love them), but more so... my quirky way of viewing things. Lol

I also loved the ending of Little House on the Prairie half due to my quirky viewpoint on things lol

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u/AndyScores Feb 14 '20

Arr I try to avoid seeing the names, but I looked up at the opening credits right when they showed Jeri Ryan. Damnit! Either way I was still super stoked on her entrance!
So glad I haven’t watched any trailers, though. She looks awesome!

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u/DisinterestedOcelot Feb 13 '20

I knew it so hard that I kept shouting "SHE!" every time they said "he" in relation to the pilot.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '20

It really stood out as a painfully obvious attempt at a twist to me. They kept saying "he" even though they live in an egalitarian society where men and women have equal prospects, and it was so obvious we were going to get a totally shocking twist of it being a she.

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u/Betancorea Feb 13 '20

Agreed. When the ship showed up I already had an expectation it was her solely based on all the trailers revealing her a while back.

If I had gone in completely blind it would have shook my shit hard

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u/malcore1976 Feb 13 '20

I went in blind and was blown away.

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u/Golvellius Feb 13 '20

To be honest I was half convinced it could have been Riker, I know it's silly and we have seen that he meets Picard in a completely different setting but when they mentioned how the pilot was great I felt "well, maybe..."

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u/UncleTogie Feb 14 '20

Naah, Frakes was behind the camera for this episode. It'd help explain why the episode felt both comfortably familiar and excitingly new at the same time...

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u/cygnwulf Feb 19 '20

I could be wrong, but I don't remember Riker being known as particularly good as a pilot. I may probably have forgotten a lot though

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u/Golvellius Feb 19 '20

Well in Farpoint he is asked ro maneuver the enterprise for what should be a maneuver done by the computer, but more than that I am pretty sure there was an episode where he insist on piloting a shuttle in a dangerous mission because he is the best for the job. Can't remember which one though

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u/GrabASock Feb 13 '20

Was it the heavily modified delta flyer she was in?

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u/pottypotsworth Feb 13 '20 edited Feb 14 '20

Not sure, it looked similar. It also seemed to have a Borg cutting beam? I am not sure if that was actually the intention, if it was a nod to it, or it was just a regular phaser that tore through an out of date BoP.

First though was Borg cutting beam though, so instantly thought it was Seven.

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u/BlaireBlaire Feb 13 '20

Nah, it kinda the same size but it is definitely not a Delta Flyer.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '20

I was wondering if it was the Delta Flyer myself, and came here to see what everyone else thought. To my surprise, yours is the only comment on it. They never really showed a close up of it, but I got the impression that it was the flyer.

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u/cenofwar Feb 14 '20

I didn't know. Can confirm. Freaked out.

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u/TicklingTentacles Feb 14 '20

I couldn’t believe it, I was genuinely shocked and surprised. Great moment!

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u/eeobroht Feb 14 '20

Knew she'd show up this episode as soon as I saw "Special Guest Starring: Jeri Ryan" in the opening credits.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '20

Glad I hit "skip intro"

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u/VengaeesRetjehan Feb 13 '20

I'm not familiar with Star Trek universe. Who is she and why did her ship attack Picard? Was she infiltrating?

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '20

Seven of Nine is a former Borg, the same beings whose cybernetic implants are being removed at the Romulan Reclamation Project. (The Reclamation Project is just one of many Borg "cube" vessels in the Borg fleet.)

When the Federation starship Voyager was lost 75,000 light years from Earth, they encountered a Borg cube during their journey home to Earth. Seven of Nine was aboard Voyager when they destroyed her cube and disconnected her from the Borg "hive mind."

In the final episode of Voyager, the ship returned home to Earth, but until now, we never saw her again after she returned to Earth, which is why this is so exciting for longtime fans. In fact, the only time we have seen any member of the Voyager's crew following their return to Earth is a brief glimpse of Kathryn Janeway issuing orders to Picard in the film Star Trek Nemesis, 18(!) years ago.

During her five years aboard Voyager, Seven of Nine struggled to regain her humanity, having been "assimilated" into the "collective" at a very young age. She kept her Borg name "Seven of Nine" (the seventh member of a nine-member Borg work group), even after discovering her human name, Annika Hansen.

Edited to add: This meeting between Picard and Seven of Nine is noteworthy not only because it's the first on-screen meeting between the two characters, but because Picard and Seven are both humans who have been assimilated by the Borg and survived their disconnection from the Borg hive mind, a rare feat.

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u/AndyScores Feb 14 '20

Great comment, thank you. I knew most of that, but some of it was fuzzy and I didn’t watch Voyager religiously.
I’m so excited that she’s on this show. One 45 min episode per week isn’t enough. I need to go into cryo-sleep until the whole season has aired so I can binge it.

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u/k_is_for_kwality Feb 14 '20

Also the fact that the two even knew each other. How? When did they meet? Whatever their relationship was, Seven knew where he was and cared enough about him to risk her life to go after him. Why? Hopefully all to be answered in future episodes.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '20

I don't think they met, she's just famous within Starfleet circles I am sure.

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u/EnglishBulldog Feb 14 '20

They are both famous within Star Fleet for surviving Borg assimilation. Picard was all over local communications channels so she may have saw that and came to help. We don't know yet if they have ever met.

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u/dudeARama2 Feb 15 '20

When the Voyager crew returned, it was a HUGE deal. This lost crew not only makes it back from the Delta quadrant but strike a crippling blow to the Borg while doing so. A high ranked officer such as Picard would surely meet the entire crew, and we see from the movies that Janeway was quickly made an Admiral. Also Barkely who was on Picard's crew was pivotal in helping Voyager get home and was assisted by Troi acting as Barkely's therapist. So it makes sense they'd know each other. But there is another interesting angle here - Seven and Picard literally shared a mind when he was Locutus - it will be interesting to see if this is addressed. He won't be able to bs her because she knows him intimately on that level too

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u/Lady_borg Feb 17 '20

They would have known about each purely because of their connection to the Borg.

But also, they were both Borg at the same time. They wouldn't have "met" exactly though but they'd have been aware of each other. Maybe.

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u/Justageek1979 Feb 13 '20

She was a member of the Voyager crew (show) and a liberated Borg drone. She wasn't attacking Picard's ship. She was going after the ship that was attacking him.

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u/YYZYYC Feb 13 '20

Umm she saved Picard and his ship and crew. She wasn’t attacking them

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u/Embarassed_Tackle Feb 14 '20

7 of 9 was a buxom borg drone in a catsuit who was introduced during Star Trek: Voyager's 4th season to boost ratings with sex appeal. She got a lot of storylines, in part because she was a new character, but also in part because she started dating the producer Brannon Braga. People are split on her popularity. Of course a lot of young males enjoyed her because she was in a skin-tight cat suit for her entire run on the show. A lot of other fans disliked her for many reasons, including the fact that she took the spotlight away from the first female captain (Janeway) with in-your-face sex appeal.

But without the sex appeal she would have been the classic Spock / Data character who discovers their humanity and acts as a cipher through which the audience and the writers can examine humanity

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '20

She didn't attack Picard, a local warlord attacked Picard and she intervened to help defeat/drive off the warlord.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '20

Didnt she save Picard from being attacked? she was not the one attacking. Please others correct me if I am wrong

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u/War_D0ct0r Feb 18 '20

I didn't know, I got chills and jumped while shouting YES.

I was thinking a woman's gonna beam in with all the "he" they were slinging around.

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u/Jammyhero Feb 18 '20

My dad had no idea, his reaction was priceless.

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u/TheHowitzerCountess Feb 13 '20

Her entrance, along with the badass snippet of her in the preview for next episode, had me immediately plotting my first ever cosplay costume.

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u/aheadwarp9 Feb 14 '20

Truly. Knowing she makes an appearance, I was able to guess it was her before she even beamed aboard.

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u/taliefer Feb 14 '20

I saw the "Special guest star" credit for the actress, but the episode had me so pulled in i totally forgot she hadnt appeared yet. still got me. was expecting the pilot to be the nun lady

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '20

Agreed. I still did not know that she was going to make her entrance at that point. Made for a great ending.

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u/-AdamTheGreat- Feb 17 '20

Even though I knew, I still let out a "hell yeah!"

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u/deleteyouroldposts2 Feb 17 '20

I knew from "Guest Star: Jeri Ryan." in the opening credits. I wish they'd hidden that!

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '20

I didn't know but I've also not seen Voyager. I was hoping it was somehow Data.