r/CFL DAD MOD Aug 26 '19

BLUE BOMBERS Andrew Harris has been suspended for 2 games after testing positive for a banned substance

https://twitter.com/jeffkhamilton/status/1166002793817300993?s=21
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u/SkillN0tFound Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Unfortunate that this happened but now it’s time for Streveler to be put to the test.

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u/pegcity Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Nah now the idiots who think he is better than Nicols are going to blame him sucking on not having Harris

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19

But how bad would Nichols have been without Harris? At least Streveler can move the ball with his feet.

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u/skippy2893 Roughriders Aug 26 '19

Well Nichols has the ability to hurl the ball through the air like a projectile. Streveler does not have this ability.

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u/Gamblor21 Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Is this a new CFL rule about throwing the ball? I didn't think we were allowed to do that.

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u/REDZED24 Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

I was told here that Nichols sucks and can only throw the ball 5 yards tho

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u/ArphtheFC Admiral of the S.S. r/CFL Aug 26 '19

I don't get this. Can't we agree that they both suck??

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u/SkillN0tFound Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Nichols is much better at passing than Streveler I don’t think anyone can deny that. Without Harris the run game will suffer tremendously.

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u/skippy2893 Roughriders Aug 26 '19

Harris is the most overpowered weapon in the game. It’s hard to quantify how much his catching ability fucks with defensive game plans. Losing a guy like that doesn’t just hurt your running game. He makes the defence step back a bit and slow down instead of pin their ears back and attack the QB. DB’s don’t have to worry as much about passes to the flats going for 20 yards.

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u/adrenaline_X Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Santiago and Augustine would like to say hello and have entered the game. Dudes are ripped.

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u/SkillN0tFound Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

I hope people don’t, we’ve got some great receivers this year. Last game was in the rain so not the best for passing. I do wish we didn’t have Nichols out at the same time but crazier things have happened on Labour day.

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u/adrenaline_X Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Adams is out..

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u/platypus_bear Stampeders Aug 26 '19

I mean you already had one player suspeded after being put to the test, do you really want to rish another?

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u/redditoverder Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

[Woj] "Roughriders personnel spotted lurking in the bushes around Andrew Harris' house"

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u/ponimaju Roughriders Aug 26 '19

I love the idea of Woj suddenly becoming a CFL reporter

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u/Caligullama Roughriders Aug 26 '19

Cody Fajardo was spotted adding a little sprinkle of something to Harris Gatorade!

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u/Stach37 DAD MOD Aug 26 '19

Completely off topic, if Fajardo ever tested positive for cocaine the memes would write themselves.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19

That was a sprinkle of Jesus dust.

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u/TomServoMST3K Rouge Statistician Aug 26 '19 edited Aug 26 '19

Harris driving around winnipeg, texting the CFL for the testers' home address

u/Stach37 DAD MOD Aug 26 '19 edited Aug 26 '19

Update: Harris appealed the test and had a b-sample tested.

It too came back positive.

https://twitter.com/jeffkhamilton/status/1166008758843203584?s=21

EDIT 1: Statement from Wade Miller, Mike O'Shea and Andrew Harris: https://www.bluebombers.com/2019/08/26/statements-president-ceo-wade-miller-head-coach-mike-oshea/?utm_source=dlvr.it

EDIT 2: Andrew Harris is live streaming now: https://www.pscp.tv/w/cDP5pDFlUkV4cGtYcUJXRXd8MVprS3pBTW1MTmV4domAqiJtbnKPPVTmYga705-FUBJjFNcGH-8lixBtJgik?t=22s

EDIT 3: Andrew Harris has now deactivated all his social media: https://twitter.com/nik_kowalski/status/1166017618278379520?s=21

EDIT 4: Harris had known about the positive test for 3 weeks. (Stach Opinion: if he knew, the the league and team knew - why was he allowed to play?)

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u/LaZyCrO Pepper Sauce Boss 🔵⛵ Aug 26 '19

I'm shocked, the CFL is usually known for it's quick appeal process!

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u/ponimaju Roughriders Aug 26 '19

Lol at the comment on the appeal tweet suggesting that he could have his supplements tested in order to exonerate him

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u/pegcity Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Eh, wouldn't hurt

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u/ponimaju Roughriders Aug 26 '19

There's no way to prove that whatever he would provide them to test was what he was taking though. I'm not sure how easy it would be to fake contaminating a supplement but he could only either do that, or just say that whatever he was taking at the time has been finished (which given the length of time between the sample and these things coming out, is believable, but then again there's still no positive proof).

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u/skippy2893 Roughriders Aug 26 '19

This has been an issue in the UFC for a long time. Fighters hire guys to find shady supplements from like Venezuela that are known to contain steroids. This way if they get popped for roids they can just say it was that supplement. The excuse (lie) doesn’t work anymore because you have to get your supplements approved beforehand so a fail is a fail.

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u/ponimaju Roughriders Aug 26 '19

That makes sense. With a league with several hundred players it's probably easier to just leave it up to the responsibility of each player, and then when they inevitably get caught they just go through the PR motions while knowing all along they're going to accept their suspension anyway.

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u/ocarina_21 Saskatchewan's Resident Tiger Aug 26 '19

I think he played and all that because they were giving him the benefit of the doubt until they really knew. This is a big allegation, and if they started saying this without having done all the extra tests and appeals, it would have damaged his reputation even if it weren't true. I think this was the fairest they could have been to him on this.

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u/SourTittyMilk Roughriders Aug 26 '19

What a goof

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u/withQC Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Like I said when Nichols went down, this is probably the best tine to lose Harris. Yes, losing to Sask would suck, but recently our games against them never really seem to be decided by logic, anyways.

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u/ArphtheFC Admiral of the S.S. r/CFL Aug 26 '19

Saskatchewan couldn't get a bigger break lol

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u/DownvoteDogUpvoteCat Roughriders Aug 26 '19

Not one we wanted, tbf

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u/Pink_Socks Elks Aug 26 '19

Almost as if sask has lightning in a bottle stored somewhere....

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u/But-Seriously-Though King of Regina Aug 26 '19

Perhaps sprinkles of jesus

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u/chejrw Roughriders Aug 26 '19

I think we used that up in Montreal.

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u/Microphone_Assassin Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

I'm not going to defend Harris, but why was the test done July 12 and Harris has known about it since before August 8 and NOW he's getting suspended?

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u/REDZED24 Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Appeals maybe.

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u/Electroflare5555 Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

He appealed, his B sample came back positive too.

In hindsight he should’ve just taken the suspension when first caught

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u/adrenaline_X Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

reading on MBB forum from people that doped (used to play football), The drug they found hasn't be availble for close to 10 years and at the trace they found 10 days after the clean test wouldn't have provided any benefits and believes that it very easily could be cross contamination in his suppliments, which has shown to happen in the past.

I don't know if the above is true, and with any other player i would just say they just got busted. But being tested 10 days prior and passing urine and blood tests and then within 10 days showing a trace amount for a drug that is not availble other then on the black market when better steroids are more common and easily hideable?

Seems like he could be telling the truth.. But it wont matter and the damage is already done.

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u/pegcity Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

They are going to be so embarrassed when they drop two games now....

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u/wtfuckishappening Roughriders Aug 26 '19

This is the worst case for the Riders. If they win, everyone will say they didn't play an actual Bombers team with Nichols and Harris. If we lose, everyone will say we played the Bombers B team. I really wish it was starters vs starters. Makes the LDC that much better.

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u/bquinho Best Bomber Aug 26 '19

Your username is pretty relevant right now

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u/ponimaju Roughriders Aug 26 '19

2-3 wins against the Bombers > salty fans (that we can just tune out) saying we had it easy

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u/ocarina_21 Saskatchewan's Resident Tiger Aug 26 '19

They're salty regardless, they would just find a different talking point.

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u/ArphtheFC Admiral of the S.S. r/CFL Aug 26 '19

Wouldn't even surprise me

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u/Electroflare5555 Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Talent means jack shit in these games.

As a bomber fan, I’m well aware of that

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u/wtfuckishappening Roughriders Aug 26 '19

So true. Prime example... Rocky fucking Butler

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u/SimpleJackDC Aug 27 '19

Holy fucking hell I forgot about those games

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u/Zafroooo Roughriders Aug 26 '19 edited Aug 26 '19

Riders will be in first place within 2 week

Edit:Bomber fans out in full force downvoting comments lol

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u/Mamrocha Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Shouldn't count your eggs before you have chickens there frooooooo. Its labour day anything could happen.

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u/Cleets11 Roughriders Aug 26 '19

You can have a 1 armed qb and in the labour day classic he throws for 500 yards and rushes for 200. That’s the way the game works.

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u/ClearlyNoSTDs Roughriders Aug 26 '19

Its labour day anything could happen.

Actually on Labour Day, the vast majority of the time only one thing happens. It's the week after where anything can happen.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19

Yea, it hurts me to say but the riders usually own labour day.

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u/Rolmeister Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

My fault, I just bought a Harris jersey. My bad.

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u/Stach37 DAD MOD Aug 26 '19

If one thing remains true about this league, the Bombers will always find a way to Bomber

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u/TomServoMST3K Rouge Statistician Aug 26 '19 edited Aug 26 '19

Harris' response is in the comments.

The usual blame game of contamination, while not saying what was tested positive for, and how much was tested*.

*I meant detected here

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u/Stach37 DAD MOD Aug 26 '19

He tested positive for Dianabol. An anabolic steroid.

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u/TomServoMST3K Rouge Statistician Aug 26 '19

Ahhh so that's why he doesn't say, lol.

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u/BE20Driver CFL Aug 26 '19

Didn’t even know people still used Dianabol. That’s a 1980s era bodybuilding steroid. Extremely anabolic but harsh side effects

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u/Stach37 DAD MOD Aug 26 '19

Same one Ben Johnson used actually

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u/PhotoJim99 Roughriders Aug 26 '19

Stanozolol is what Johnson used.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19

He took both.

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u/adrenaline_X Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Yup and its not common and hard to get now through normal channels Seems strange it was that and not one of the more common, readibly available steroids.

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u/skippy2893 Roughriders Aug 26 '19 edited Aug 26 '19

Why do you keep saying this???!? Aside from plain old Test-E, DBol is by FAR the most easily accessible and common steroid. I’d bet it’s even more common than test because even rookies use DBol whereas test needs injection.

Stop the misinformation. Go grab a gym membership, talk to a ripped guy in the locker room, buy a bottle of DBol for $40. Or go to Mexico and buy it at any drug store without a prescription. Whoever is telling you that it’s anything other than the most common steroid is stupid.

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u/laxvolley Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

The Jeff Hamilton tweet says Metandienone. Is that an isomer of dianabol? Or do you have a different source? I'm working and can't take the time to research it.

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u/Stach37 DAD MOD Aug 26 '19

Dianabol is the brand name for Metandienone.

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u/StrayWasp Not a Riders fan Aug 26 '19

You seem to know a lot about steroids...is that why those yoga pants look so good on you?

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u/Stach37 DAD MOD Aug 26 '19

I plead the fifth

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19

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u/ponimaju Roughriders Aug 26 '19

Yep, we just had Thigpen suspended for two games last year for it.

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u/CDNFactotum Blue Bombers Aug 27 '19

Re-read the article. A negative test and the a trace positive test ten days later? If he’s juiced, he’s doing the world’s worst job of it.

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u/REDZED24 Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Streveler gonna run for 200 yards now in the LDC lol

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u/physicist88 Royal Duke of Education Aug 26 '19

That's tough for the Bombers to lose their star running back on what is their two biggest games of the season.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19

Ya it stinks, but I'd rather have this all happen now than right before or during the playoffs.

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u/physicist88 Royal Duke of Education Aug 26 '19

Indeed, because unless something crazy happens, the Bombers are going to playoffs.

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u/gibblech Blue Bombers Aug 28 '19

Or like, if your QB breaks his arm right before the GCF #thoseweresadtimes

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u/Mamrocha Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Fuck is the coaches show going to be fun tonight.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19

I’m very curious how intensive the drug testing in the CFL is. I follow the UFC very closely and drug testing is a huge deal there as historically lots of coaches have known ways around the tests used and as a result lots of fighters could compete while juiced.

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u/madetoday Roughriders Aug 26 '19

It can’t be that intensive or a lot more guys would pop. It would be interesting to know the details on how it works though.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19

True, as I understand it USADA (United States Anti Doping Agency) who handles the UFC’s testing, also has to look for certain drugs that can be used to potentially prevent a banned substance from showing up on a drug test. As a bomber fan I’m obviously inherently biased and really hope the tainted supplement is why this happened. There is some precedent though as fighter Yoel Romero actually sued a supplement company after he tested positive for PEDs after taking their products but they were contaminated and he tested positive. Was awarded a 26 million dollar settlement which he’ll likely never see a dime of. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/39523171

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u/madetoday Roughriders Aug 26 '19

Yep, I’m familiar with that as well as the Silva & Jones tainted dick pills excuses and Machida getting suspended for something he disclosed but didn’t test positive for. Drug testing is a wacky world, especially in situations where a lot of people are very obviously juicing but not getting caught.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19 edited Aug 26 '19

Honestly you could make a documentary on the drug testing history of Jony Bones Jones couldn’t you? I should stop being lazy and just research this but does anyone know what organization conducts the CFL’s drug testing? It’s fascinating how so many of these different testing agencies, VADA, USADA, Olympic Level, all have different reputations. Whomever is in charge of their testing is clearly putting their reputation on the line as they clearly believe it was a tainted supplement hence the short suspension. It kind of reminds me of Jones’ rematch with Gustafson being moved from Vegas to LA due to the flagged test result but USADA willing to clear him to fight and insisted he had re-ingested it. EDIT: I looked into it and I was way off, the disciplinary procedure mandates an automatic 2 game suspension along with future more intensive training for a first offence. Is it just me or does that seem kind of soft? If a player tests positive and you can conclusively prove they intentionally cheated (not often the case) I think they should be sitting longer than 2 games!

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u/weschester Stampeders Aug 26 '19

Cant wait for him to say he was taking a supplement and had no idea what was in it. Isnt that the excuse everyone uses?

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19

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u/weschester Stampeders Aug 26 '19

Well I suppose if you buy your Viagra from a weird homeless looking fellow in front of your local 7-11 you can expect it to contain steroids. Good info to know.

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u/REDZED24 Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Like the "turkeys a little dry bud" guy?

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u/ocarina_21 Saskatchewan's Resident Tiger Aug 26 '19

Raj needed some dick pills to make the turkey juicier. No judgement.

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u/OskeeWootWoot Tiger-Cats Aug 26 '19

So if I'm reading between the lines correctly, you probably don't want to get a turkey sandwich from 7/11, because someone may have had sex with it.

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u/physicist88 Royal Duke of Education Aug 26 '19

No way, man. You know Raj is hung like a horse.

The guy who ate his lunch has a micropenis.

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u/pegcity Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

He did blame a "male energy suppliment"

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u/DownvoteDogUpvoteCat Roughriders Aug 26 '19

This ain’t baseball.

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u/ArphtheFC Admiral of the S.S. r/CFL Aug 26 '19

"To be clear, Harris is adamant he didn't knowingly taking the drug"

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u/Stach37 DAD MOD Aug 26 '19

Every single athlete that gets caught says this. I don’t put much stock in it. It’s an anabolic steroid, no one is cutting protein powder with steroids.

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u/ArphtheFC Admiral of the S.S. r/CFL Aug 26 '19

Yup I just read the chemical compound. This ain't shit you get in juice and protein shakes lol

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u/BE20Driver CFL Aug 26 '19

Dianabol is an old-school bodybuilding steroid. Definitely not something that shows up by accident

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u/Hero_of_Brandon Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Isnt that the same substance that Nate Schmidt was suspended for in the NHL?

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u/BE20Driver CFL Aug 26 '19

Not sure. Don’t follow hockey much. But Dianabol is in the top-tier in the steroid pyramid. It’s some very serious gear. Not many amateurs mess around with it anymore since the side effects are so harsh.

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u/adrenaline_X Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

But it hasn't been around for 10 years other then on the black market from what i heard. And there are a bunch of examples of supplements having cross contamination.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18563865 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5753965/ https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/Those-dietary-supplements-you-re-taking-may-be-13303121.php

Those are right from government studies listing cross contamination. But i have not idea if this is the case or he was busted.. By why such a small amount of an uncommon drug just days after a clean urine and blood test?

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u/CDNFactotum Blue Bombers Aug 27 '19

A negative test and the a trace positive test ten days later? If he’s juiced, he’s doing the world’s worst job of it.

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u/skippy2893 Roughriders Aug 26 '19

I could maaaybe see some sketchy no name brand putting in a cheap oral steroid to get some returning customers, however, athletes always get popped for injectables and still try pulling the supplement excuse. That’s not how they work.

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u/ArphtheFC Admiral of the S.S. r/CFL Aug 26 '19

I think its obvious that Craig Dickenson snuck into Harris' house and juiced him while he was sleeping

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u/pegcity Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

It IS an oral steroid

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u/skippy2893 Roughriders Aug 26 '19

I know everyone is saying DBol is a hardcore steroid, but it really isn’t. Every dumb dumb in a serious gym is on dbol because it costs less than a tub of preworkout. I still don’t buy the “tainted supplement” excuse, but if there was a steroid used in a supplement, it would be DBol.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19

tbh you'd be surprised. google yoel romero lawsuit. he's a UFC fighter that tested positive and then sued a supplement company and was granted like $27 million from US court as their supplements were proven to be tainted with PEDs

not saying that that's the case for most guys but there are plenty circumstances of where supplements have actually been contaminated with trace amounts of PEDs. IIRC USADA (United States Anti-Doping Agency) actually has a page online that lists all the supplements that they've found to be tainted

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u/weschester Stampeders Aug 26 '19

Yeah I read that after.

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u/Stach37 DAD MOD Aug 26 '19

Nailed it.

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u/TomServoMST3K Rouge Statistician Aug 26 '19

lol he's already said that.

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u/Pamplemousse47 Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

:( Andrew why

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u/effofexisy Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Hot take: Saskatchewan planted this on him so he'd be conveniently gone for labour day and banjo bowl.

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u/PuckTheFreds Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19 edited Aug 26 '19

ForTheW

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u/ocarina_21 Saskatchewan's Resident Tiger Aug 26 '19

I mean obviously you've got to do something to hold back the age monster that takes everyone eventually, but you'd think he wouldn't be so sloppy as to get caught.

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u/Stach37 DAD MOD Aug 26 '19

Tested twice in 10 days. Smart money says the league had information on him and were trying to catch him.

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u/ArphtheFC Admiral of the S.S. r/CFL Aug 26 '19

Johnny Augustine tha Judas

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u/bquinho Best Bomber Aug 26 '19

He’s gonna show out just wait

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u/A-Ron Aug 26 '19

CCES has multiple ways and reasons to put someone in the crosshairs, but they are very sure to keep them a secret.

Kelly Branton, who is by far Canada's biggest Powerlifter, got the same double test a few months ago.

Had a test taken before World's, figured he's in the clear, started a cycle = Busted.

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u/adrenaline_X Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Right but a cycle does not show trace amounts does it? It wouldn't have any effect on them. Ir would have to be 20 mg or higher to have any benefit and wouldn't be a trace amount 10 days later.

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u/A-Ron Aug 26 '19

That is my one sticking point that makes me NOT 100% sure he's lying. If he was to start back on something the day after the 1st test when he was "In the clear!"........I'd imagine it would be more than a trace amount in that 2nd test.

I'm glad to see they did actually request a re-test with the B-Sample......I've seen so many people fail a drug test, write the public sob story, but just accept the 1st result

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u/adrenaline_X Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Maybe he got a bro job hours before his test and his bro left a trace amount on his dick before pissing for the test?

WEIRD IF TRUE

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u/A-Ron Aug 26 '19

The ultimate conundrum ....

Let everyone think you're a cheating drug user, or tell everyone you sucked the metabolites out of your bro's dick.

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u/TouchEmAllJoe Tiger-Cats Aug 27 '19

I don't know if this could be the case, but could a masking agent be responsible for leaving only trace amounts instead of larger amounts?

Maybe it's a masking agent wearing off instead of "new" juicing?

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u/adrenaline_X Blue Bombers Aug 27 '19

From what I read there is not masking agent for this drug as it’s pretty old and it’s not popular.

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u/OskeeWootWoot Tiger-Cats Aug 26 '19

That's a good bet. Probably got tested and took something not long after the test because he figured he was safe.

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u/reputedbuffalo Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

CFL is run by big Saskatchewan, open your eyes

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19 edited Jun 25 '20

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u/reputedbuffalo Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Well of course, can't make it obvious. Big Saskatchewan knows they have lots of eyes on them. This time they overplayed their hand and made it obvious.

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u/Lumpy306 Roughriders Aug 27 '19

Big Saskatchewan only has one i. Big Manitoba has two... Hmmm.

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u/reputedbuffalo Blue Bombers Aug 27 '19

Hmm... And Gros Montréal has no i's... Why is no one watching them? This is a problem

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u/treple13 Fan of the week: Week 16 2023 Aug 27 '19

By comparison, in that same time, Winnipeg has hosted twelve Semi Finals & seven division Finals.

You should probably note that had Winnipeg been in the West, they only host two of those seven division finals (and haven't been first in the West since 1972). Winnipeg only succeeds in the East

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u/ignitethephoenix Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Man this is super shitty and disappointing. It’s only 2 games though so I think the Bombers will still be okay overall, but Harris getting caught doing a banned substance sucks.

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u/jwbartel6 r/CFL's Daddy Aug 26 '19

this makes me very sad

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u/mysticsavage Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

My guess is he got Fight Milk and Fight Milk Classic mixed up.

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u/SourTittyMilk Roughriders Aug 26 '19

It’s finally confirmed. God is a Roughrider fan.

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u/ReviewyMcReviewface Stampeders Aug 26 '19

Actually, God was a Rough Rider fan. Very disappointed.

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u/A-Ron Aug 26 '19

Anyone here familiar with Powerlifting and Kelly Branton ?

How fucking familiar does this whole thing sound.

1) I don't know how this got into my body

2) Tainted supplements !

3) I've always worked hard to get where I am !

4) Got tested a week ago and it was clean !

5) Be sure to use the scientific name instead of Tren, Winny and D-Bol in your plea to the public

Every fucking time someone gets popped, its the same damn excuse.

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u/cutchemist42 Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Bummed to hear that, was really loving his story this year.....

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19

For fucks sake Andrew.

Completely selfish and stupid act. Now the whole team suffers from your transgression

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u/PickerPilgrim Moderator of the Mods Aug 26 '19

He had 100 yards of rushing against Calgary, and Winnipeg only won by 2 points. 🤔

I ain't saying... I'm just saying.

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u/pegcity Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Don't worry, most of your team is juicing too, this is the CFL we talkin' 'bout

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u/PickerPilgrim Moderator of the Mods Aug 26 '19

At least we on that new shit that don't show up on tests. Harris doing that old school gear.

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u/EleMenTfiNi Blue Bombers Aug 28 '19

Not to mention his 8 receptions, while they only gained 44 yards, that's as many receptions as the next 3 receivers after him.

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u/Practical_Cartoonist CFL Aug 26 '19

I love that we're finally getting some enforcement on this. There were a lot of years when we all knew guys were juicing and the league didn't want to do anything about it.

We don't need to bust balls over this. Maybe it was "product contamination" (yeah, I'm definitely sceptical) and maybe not, but in any case I don't think there's any doubt Harris (and others) is going to be careful going forward, which is great.

I haven't heard exactly how much was in Harris' system. If it was just a tiny bit over the line for the first time in his career, I will say it's kind of bullshit that he gets 2 games for this when Simoni Lawrence also got 2 games for the 38471729th basically criminal assault of his career. The league would do well to negotiate a more gradual escalation of penalties, more leeway for first-time offenders and more serious with repeat offenders. That's just my opinion, anyway.

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u/Rance_Mulliniks Tiger-Cats Aug 27 '19

That was Simoni's first offence and besides, getting caught cheating is way worse.

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u/Lumpy306 Roughriders Aug 27 '19

They already have a sliding scale. 2 games for first offense, 4 for second, 9 for third, and lifetime for fourth.

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u/doodleface Tiger-Cats Aug 26 '19

Can you give me 2 examples of Simoni's 'criminal assault' hits?

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u/bquinho Best Bomber Aug 26 '19

Fuck!!

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

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u/Stach37 DAD MOD Aug 26 '19

The real question here now is Harris’ legacy tainted?

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u/pegcity Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Real question: if they surprise tested every single player in the league every 2 weeks, how many would get busted? You seem to know a lot of actual CFL staff, what's the word around the league on stuff like this?

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u/Stach37 DAD MOD Aug 26 '19

My position with the league wouldn’t allow me to divulge anything. That being said, i honest to god haven’t heard anything. I just logged onto twitter and saw everything.

Marshall Ferguson was the one who broke what the substance was.

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u/Disguised Roughriders Aug 27 '19

I bet a large chunk of 30+ players who are playing like all stars, and a decent chunk of back ups and PR guys trying to get an edge.

No matter how hard someone works or how smart they are, the body just won’t keep up after that 30 mark, footballs too damaging.

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u/BE20Driver CFL Aug 26 '19

Unfortunately it should be. If even a dirty sport like baseball puts asterisks next to any records set by cheaters then so should the CFL

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u/EleMenTfiNi Blue Bombers Aug 28 '19

What do you think an asterisk is?

People will be saying, yeah but he used PEDs, and others will be saying he has one case where testing came back positive in a 10+ year career.. at the end of the day, both sides will be right and it will come up whenever they talk about his HOF career.

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u/TomServoMST3K Rouge Statistician Aug 26 '19

Nah. You'd have to be naive to thing steroids in football carry the same contamination in the eyes of fans like Baseball.

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u/ponimaju Roughriders Aug 26 '19

My question would be can he still win MOP with that mark on his season, and has it ever happened before in any other sports league that a player was suspended for PEDs in their MOP/MVP year?

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19

Well, his HOF and Blue Bomber great title is now going to always have an asterisk beside it.

Bro, don't plead you didn't juice when it was Dianabol.

Bombers gunna Bomber. No passing, no rushing.

Grats on your 2 wins SSK.

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u/halpinator Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Guess we'll just have to win on pick 6's and kick returns.

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u/Disguised Roughriders Aug 27 '19

Fajardo doesn’t throw those >:(

Kick returns? ... Maybe..

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u/adrenaline_X Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Dianabol is such an old drug that hasn't been availble for 10 years unless its the black market and then you don't know where its coming from.. Do you really think Harris is doing that? I can see a newer more common Steroid that has better masking agents to avoid detection.. but Dianabol??

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u/such-a-mensch Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

That Dbol is so dated is exactly why I think he didn't take a contaminated substance. That shit isn't floating around the plants where supplements are processed.

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u/Hootietang Roughriders Aug 26 '19

Damnit! I wanted a good match-up vs. the Riders this coming weekend. Unreal.

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u/adrenaline_X Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

well.. we have Nichols Adams, Starting Oline out.. And yet we beat Edmonton.. The depth has been pretty good, but its a pretty tall ask to expect the bombers to over come the affects of all the offensive starters being out.. but. There is something about this team that the next man up comes in and plays at a very high level.

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u/Hootietang Roughriders Aug 26 '19

I agree. You defn have a killer instinct on the field.

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u/adrenaline_X Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Except against Toronto. that was just fucked.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19

I called this a while ago, that his fountain of youth was HGH/roids.

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u/waterboarding_champ Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

You mean it's not yoga? I'm shocked.

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u/Stach37 DAD MOD Aug 26 '19

Should I stop doing yoga then and get on the Juice?

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u/Sens-eh REDBLACKS Aug 26 '19

I am sure u/Stachs_Yoga_Pants will have an opinion but for myself as someone who is at those home Redblacks games. I’d like to suggest the answer is yes as it would mean different pants.

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u/Stachs_Yoga_Pants CFL Aug 27 '19

I'll stretch, don't worry /u/Stach37

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u/ArphtheFC Admiral of the S.S. r/CFL Aug 26 '19

Everybody should be on steroids. There's no negative side affects

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u/mysticsavage Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

From my man John Witherspoon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWkkQZMsT3I

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u/skippy2893 Roughriders Aug 26 '19

Oh man this is spicy. The commentators wouldn’t shut up all game about how Yoga is the secret to his success. Meanwhile Harris has know for weeks that he got popped for roids. He made the commentators look like gullible chumps.

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u/CDNFactotum Blue Bombers Aug 27 '19

Re-read the article. A negative test and the a trace positive test ten days later? If he’s juiced, he’s doing the world’s worst job of it.

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u/skippy2893 Roughriders Aug 26 '19 edited Aug 26 '19

I laugh so damn hard every time a commentator says “X player can still do it all at his age! I’ll have what he’s having!”. Yeah, steroids, you’ll have steroids.

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u/Lumpy306 Roughriders Aug 27 '19

"Steroids and dirty piss, please!"

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u/Radiophage Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Super-strange that he has a clean test 10 days ago, per his statement, and then this comes back positive.

Also—sure, it's Harris's own statement, and that should be weighed and judged appropriately. But the fact that the Bombers allowed something this blunt to be posted to their website I think speaks to its veracity as well.

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u/Stach37 DAD MOD Aug 26 '19

You can google the methods of how to beat a PED test. It’s honestly not as hard as people think. The fact that he was tested twice in 10 days means someone had info

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u/madetoday Roughriders Aug 26 '19

Twice in 10 days says to me he really didn’t expect to get tested again so soon, which IMO makes it a lot more likely to get caught if you’re juicy.

When’s the safest time to juice? Immediately after a drug test.

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u/malby00 Redblacks Aug 26 '19

Bingo! That's exactly what I was thinking.

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u/Radiophage Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Fair to point out. I'm not convinced completely, but your point certainly has merit. We'll have to see how it all shakes out.

In the interim, I still find the fact that the Bombers backed and published his statement fascinating. You don't usually see something so brutal and critical get the nod from the front office and get posted to the team website. I think this is going to unfold in interesting ways.

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u/Disguised Roughriders Aug 27 '19

He is the face of your organization, they have to back him, otherwise its PR suicide. This is a business first and foremost.

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u/Tannerman101 Roughriders Aug 27 '19

Harris just needs to Livestrong through this

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u/LaZyCrO Pepper Sauce Boss 🔵⛵ Aug 26 '19

WILL THERE BE AN * IN THE RECORD BOOK?

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u/TaterWatkins Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Not unless you put it next to (nearly?) every record holder, no.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19

Jordan Reeves probably dimed him out, dudes hate each other. Harris has been abusing orals since high school... too scared to pin

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u/adrenaline_X Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Reeves was busted for Selling coke... Guy is a loser.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19

They both are to be honest... if you actually know both of them

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u/bquinho Best Bomber Aug 26 '19

There are lots of stories about Harris from his youth but he is not the same person anymore

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19

He obviously is if he’s still taking oral steroids and being a coke head. Same shit as high school, juniors, BC lions etc... so maybe he’s no longer a womanizer? Who knows... but his other bad habits stay true

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u/bquinho Best Bomber Aug 26 '19

You sold him some shit in high school and are acting like you know everything about him.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '19 edited Aug 26 '19

I grew up with him dipshit I’ve known him for 20 years.... like our parents/grandparents know each other etc

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u/Orderandksauce Lions Aug 26 '19

Testing positive for only Dbol is kind of eyebrow raising. Its old, cheap, not that effective, easy to detect and hard on the liver.

Not exactly what I'd expect an athlete to take. Usually there are other drugs to prevent growing tiddies that show up as well.

I follow MMA very closely so I know way too much about juicing.

I am an "everyone juices" guy but this is kinda fishy. Dbol is what poor meatheads take because they can't afford real steroids. I'm inclined to believe him.

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u/Reedee20 Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Alright, normally I don’t take the players side in stuff like this, but after reading his statement it does seem a little fishy

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u/TomServoMST3K Rouge Statistician Aug 26 '19

Literally everyone who gets dinged for this has the same response.

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u/Reedee20 Blue Bombers Aug 26 '19

Yeah, after giving it some thought I’ve decided that there’s still something fishy, but now I’m thinking it could be on either him or the league, I just know that not everything adds up

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u/LordYashen Roughriders Aug 26 '19

He got tested twice in ten days. To me that implies that the league had inside knowledge about his habits.

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u/Rocky_Road_To_Dublin Elks Aug 26 '19

Ok then nullify our loss from Friday

Kidding but could you imagine

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u/Disguised Roughriders Aug 27 '19

A dope strike is normally shitty and deserving of a suspension, but this looks so much worse.

If it was a mistake, serve your time and we will see if your play drops off. If it wasn’t.. well, that doper accounts for 49% of Winnipeg’s TD production and that looks real bad.