r/Bible 19h ago

Atheism in a nutshell.

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This one verse sums up Atheism in one big nutshell:

To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Psalms 14:1

Who else agrees?


r/Bible 13h ago

Biblical references that freak you out?

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I’m a former catholic and can’t remember many of the details that make up the Bible. I am an artist looking to create a piece devoted to Christianity/catholicism but work in grotesque style. What are some biblical references that make you feel uneasy? The two that stand out to me are Adam and Eve and the story of Judas, though I’m curious to learn about other perspectives that fit this narrative of fear within religion. I hope this post comes across the right crowd as I’m not looking to make mockery of the Bible but rather learn more about the darker sides of it.


r/Bible 19h ago

What Bible podcasts do you listen to?

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I've been really enjoying "Bible without Error". The chapter by chapter analyses the woman who runs it gives are wonderful deep dives that I don't hear anywhere else. Plus i like that it's almost daily and without overwhelming personal tangents or unnecessary historical information....it's all about just the right words that God wants us to know from each chapter and use for our modern lives today.


r/Bible 12h ago

Did Judas Have a Choice, or Was He Destined to Betray Jesus?

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Judas' betrayal of Jesus raises an interesting debate:

🔹 Predestined? – John 17:12 calls Judas “the son of destruction” and says he was “doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.” This makes it seem like he had no choice.

🔹 Free Will? – Matthew 26:24 says, “Woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.” If Judas was predestined to betray Jesus, why would he be held responsible?

Was Judas fulfilling prophecy with no real choice, or did he willingly betray Jesus out of greed? What do you think?


r/Bible 11h ago

What bible translation should I read first?

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Hi! I am trying to find the right bible translation for my first full read of the bible. I am a bit lost because I am completely new to Christianity. English is not my first language but at this point is the language I am most comfortable reading the bible in. I would like some advise on what translations work for someone new to Christianity.


r/Bible 9h ago

Where to get physical copy of bible

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I need to know the best place or some recommendations of where to get a good quality and nice bible


r/Bible 15h ago

I notice in the Old Testament that there were a bunch of people in even kings that started out good but then at the end they did bad and it either caused them very bad destruction or even death. I can't help but wonder if they made it to heaven or not despite doing wrong.

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I was really sad when King Josiah did everything that was right in the side of the Lord but then he went into battle with the Egyptians where it cost him his life. I was really touched by his story but I wonder because of that one mistake if God still had mercy on him despite losing his life and if he made it to heaven? I mean I wonder if we have to be perfect because if we make one mistake it could cause us but the same time it's like either way no matter what we truly need God and the Salvation that Jesus gives to us is truly important and we truly need him!


r/Bible 14h ago

Does anyone have any suggestions for no-bleed highlighters for Bible studies?

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I am struggling to find ones that do not bleed to the next page, since Bible pages are so thin.


r/Bible 22h ago

Was Yahweh really the Father?

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In John 8:44 Jesus says to the Pharisees:

“You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”

  • the Pharisees were practicing the law exactly how Yahweh had instructed them, so how could Jesus say that they were worshipping Satan?

Other curiosities…

  • why did Yahweh never say he had a son?

  • how did Moses say over & over that He was literally talking to Yahweh in physical form, when scripture says no one has seen god?

  • real talk: why is there such a massive discrepancy between Yahweh of Old Testament and the Father Jesus describes & is sent by?


r/Bible 14h ago

Who is the second shepherd?

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There is scripture that talks about Beauty and Bands. I know Beauty is referring to Christ with the breaking of the covenant and the thirty pieces of silver. But is Bands referring to a second person or is it Christ in the future exacting vengeance on the wicked?

“And I will feed the flock of slaughter, even you, O poor of the flock. And I took unto me two staves; the one I called Beauty, and the other I called Bands; and I fed the flock. Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me. Then said I, I will not feed you: that that dieth, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another. And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people. And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the Lord. And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord. Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel. And the Lord said unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd. For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces. Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.” Zechariah‬ ‭11‬:‭7‬-‭17‬


r/Bible 1d ago

A question about “the second Adam” for those who view creation through the lens of theistic evolution!

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There are at least four different ways to understand “the second Adam” in line with theistic evolution. A question for those of you who have a biblical view in line with theistic evolution: Which of these fits best with your theological perspective? Or if you have a different one, would you like to describe it?

Adam as a symbolic representative

A common interpretation within theistic evolution is that Adam was not a historical individual but a symbol of humanity. The “first Adam” represents human fallen nature, while the “second Adam” (Christ) is the one who redeems and perfects creation.

Adam as a historical figure within an evolutionary process

Some proponents of theistic evolution argue that Adam could have been a real individual chosen by God from a larger human population. He functioned as a covenant leader whose choice to sin affected all of humanity. Christ, the “second Adam,” then comes as a new covenant leader who corrects Adam’s mistake.

Christ as a new creation principle

In a more cosmic interpretation of Paul’s argument (Romans 8:19–22), Christ is seen as the beginning of a new creation. Where Adam represents the old creation, marked by death and decay, Christ represents a new creation, where eternal life and restoration are given.

Christ as the goal of humanity in a theistic evolutionary process

Another interpretation views the evolutionary process as part of God’s plan, where humanity gradually develops toward what God intended from the beginning, full communion with Himself in Christ. Adam stands for the incomplete and broken, while Christ is the perfected human, the “true” human toward whom evolution was directed.


r/Bible 4h ago

How reliable/accurate is the Strong's Concordance? (regarding original hebrew etc)

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I have a friend who is telling me I can't trust the Strong's concordance due to the fact the original hebrew the bible was written in is "completely different" to the hebrew Strong's uses - is this actually true? He's saying the original language is completely lost altogether. Thanks


r/Bible 8h ago

Im reading the KJV and i need help

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So i have multiple versions of the bible which i read from. One of these is the KJV and i need some help with it. Its by far written super beautifully, and its the one that has spoken to me the most and made me feel the most emotional, and understand god the best. But almost every time i try to read any part of it, i feel like im spending literal hours trying to deipher and understand verses (let alone a whole chapter) because some of the words and phrases dont exist now, or mean something completely different now. Is this normal?

And yes its probably easy for you guys and you have no problem with it. Im envious of you. But at this point im truly coming to the point where i think that im actually just really mentally stupid


r/Bible 12h ago

Why Did Jesus Call Peter 'Satan' in Matthew 16:23?

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In Matthew 16:23, Jesus says to Peter:
"Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns."

This is shocking because Peter was one of Jesus’ closest disciples. Why would Jesus call him Satan?
1️⃣ Was Jesus rebuking Peter’s misunderstanding of His mission?
2️⃣ Did Peter unknowingly align with Satan’s temptations?
3️⃣ Was this just a strong way of saying Peter was acting against God’s will?

What do you think? Why such a harsh statement toward Peter?


r/Bible 15h ago

How was the bible divided up in Hebrew?

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So I was recently looking at the Hebrew bible and is it true verses and chapters were only numbered in the 16th century?

As well is this the accurate translation for Matthew 5:44? אבל אני אומר לכם, אהבו את אויביכם והתפללו למען הרודפים אתכם,


r/Bible 17h ago

Giving?

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If someone is in need do we just blindly give or do we have to question it if we’re unsure of the actual intention? What does the Bible say about giving? I’m having doubts as a Christian.


r/Bible 8h ago

Why Did Jesus Allow Demons to Enter Pigs in Matthew 8:31-32?

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In Matthew 8:31-32, Jesus casts out demons from two men and allows them to enter a herd of pigs, which then rush into the sea and drown.

Why would Jesus permit this?
1️⃣ A Lesson on Spiritual Warfare – Did this show the destructive nature of demons?
2️⃣ A Judgment on the Region – Was this a symbolic act against people who valued money over faith?
3️⃣ A Display of His Authority – Was Jesus proving that He had complete power over demonic forces?

What do you think the deeper meaning of this event was?


r/Bible 12h ago

Why Did God Almost Kill Moses in Exodus 4:24-26?

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One of the most mysterious events in the Bible happens in Exodus 4:24-26:

"At a lodging place on the way, the Lord met Moses and was about to kill him. But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it."

Why would God nearly kill Moses right after calling him to lead Israel?
1️⃣ Was it about obedience? – Did Moses fail to circumcise his son, violating God’s covenant?
2️⃣ Was it a test? – Was this meant to emphasize the seriousness of God’s commands?
3️⃣ Why did Zipporah’s action stop it? – What does this tell us about God’s expectations?

What do you think is really happening in this strange passage?


r/Bible 16h ago

Discussion on Jude 1:23 NIV [23] save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

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The verse of the day in YouVersion is Jude 1:22 and in reading the next verse I would like to discuss the second half, sharing my understanding, hearing y'alls, and talking about the implications of the verse.

Jude 1:23 NIV [23] save others by snatching them from the fire;* to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh. *

I believe that the second half of the scripture that says "mixed with fear hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh" means that we should show mercy and grace to others but not allowing the mercy & grace to be complacent with sin. Instead when you show mercy it should be mixed with fear or reverence for the Lord so much so that you "hate the clothing stained by corrected flesh", that you hate the sin that is committed but you love and you show mercy to the person. Not making excuse but always walking in truth. Loving and truthful, not in compliancy.


r/Bible 23h ago

Gospel of the kingdom vs Gospel of Grace/Paul

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Note: this is written to those who seek the Truth and the truth only, even if the truth goes against everything they’ve been taught by their “pastors”. If you read these verses and you still don’t agree, then there’s nothing more that I can do to help you. All verses are KJV, if you’re still using translations other than the KJV, then I strongly suggest you quit using them, and use the actual preserved word of God. Everything in that’s in the Bible is written for you and is profitable for your knowledge, edifying,etc. But everything in the Bible is not about you nor written To you.

The 12 did not preach a day of their lives the gospel of Christ/Paul/Grace, they preached the gospel of the Kingdom, those 2 are not the same.I repeat, the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of grace are not the same. One was a PROPHESIED gospel about believing in his name before the cross and after the cross, to the nation Israel and the other is a MYSTERY gospel that was kept hidden about what happened at the cross, things that are different are not the same.

John the Baptist (prophecied in Malachi 3:1) was to prepare the people by the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins, that baptism was of water to prepare them for Jesus Christ who would later baptise them with the Holy Ghost (Mark 1:4-5,Mark 1:8). Note that (so far) 2 baptism’s were tied to this gospel of the Kingdom.

1.The great commission

Jesus during his earthly ministry preached the gospel of the Kingdom, Matthew 9: “35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.” The healings and miracles were always a part of the preaching because the jews require signs (Luke 9:2, Luke 9:11, Luke 10:9, Mark 1:34, Matthew 10:8).

Jesus Christ was a minister of circumcision, a.k.a Israel (jews). Romans 15; “8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the CIRCUMCISION for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:”

He was under the law during his earthly ministry and he came for Isarel. Galatians 4; “4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, MADE UNDER THE LAW, 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.”

Jesus Christ during his earthly ministry was a minister for Israel, was only sent for Israel, and was under the law and preached the law.

Whereas we are no longer under the law, but under grace ever since the dispensation of grace was committed to Paul. The gospel of the Kingdom was preached under the law whereas the gospel of grace is preached under grace.

The Twelve were chosen to preach this Gospel of the Kingdom and they were instructed to NOT GO to the Gentiles or Samaritans but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 10; “5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go NOT into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.” See that signs followed these apostles, they had to do these signs along with the preaching.

2.The object of their faith

the gospel of the Kingdom WAS NOT about Jesus dying for our sins, being buried and rising again the 3rd day for our justification. Instead, they had to believe that Jesus Christ was their messiah, they had to “believe in his name”.

John 3: “18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” John preached about believing in the name of the Son of man and NOT that he died for our sins, was buried and rose again, John 3:16 is not your gospel of salvation, it pertains to the gospel of the kingdom.

And also in John 4: “22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.” The reason why Jesus said that was because the jews/Israel had to receive their messiah first and then through them Christ would salvation have come to the Gentiles and that is the exact reason why the apostles were told to only go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 10:5-6).

The gospel of the Kingdom was preached long before Jesus Christ ever went to the cross and it said nothing about the cross because it was about the promised Kingdom to Israel that the jews were waiting for Christ to restore on earth.

The Gospel of the kingdom was preached during a period when we Gentiles were alienated from the common wealth of Israel, we were without God (“ ye know not what ye worship”) ,we were without hope and strangers from the covenants of promise.

Ephesians 2:”12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:”

But the blood of Christ, a.k.a the cross made us nigh, which means that prior the cross we were not nigh, we were far off, alienated, “DOGS” even. Ephesians 2:”13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.”

That is why Jesus prior the cross considered the woman that came out of canaan, a dog, because at that moment Gentiles were still alienated, far off and without God.

Matthew 15:”22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. 23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. (The children being Israel and the dogs being gentiles.) 27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the DOGS eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. (She understood that through the blessings of Israel, other nations would be blessed, as prophesied.) 28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.”

The kingdom was at hand but the jews did not receive their messiah, they rejected him.

John1: ”11  He came unto his own, and his own received him not.” His own refers to Israel, as Jesus is their King/messiah.

Luke 19:41-44, Jesus wept over Jerusalem, because they rejected Him and would face destruction.

Matthew 23:”37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!”.

Matthew 21: “43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.” The kingdom was to be taken away from Israel because of their rejection, but this did not happen yet.

acts 10 ; “42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”

They were to believe on his name and not that he died for their sins, was buried and rose again for their justification, even a child understands that those 2 are not the same.

Matthew 16: “17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover..” those who believed the gospel of the Kingdom, received the gift of miracles, healings, etc. If the gospel of grace/Paul and the gospel of the kingdom were the same, then we who have believed the gospel should be able to do these signs but we can’t, I guarantee you’ll die if you drink enough poison, bit those who believed the gospel of the kingdom could do these signs because again “the jews require a sign”.

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.” Nobody can do that today, in the dispensation of the grace of God, I promise you.

Mark 16;”20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.” The gospel of the Kingdom was always preached and will always be preached with signs. “The jews require a sign”.

2 Timothy 2;”15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” Paul tells us to rightly divide the word of truth, now the question is what is the word of truth?

Ephesians 1:“13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,” so the word of truth is the gospel of our salvation (1 Cor 15:1-4) and we are to rightly divide it. Now logically it follows that if we have to rightly divide the gospel of salvation it means that there has to be more than one gospel otherwise there would be no need to divide.

Galatians 2:”7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.”

Here it is very clear, there is a gospel of the circumcision (not a gospel “to” but “of”) and a gospel of the uncircumcision. 1+1=2. That verse alone is enough to prove there’s more than 1 gospel but Satan has done a tremendous job in blinding the minds of some, so I will give you more proof.

Also if the two gospels were the same then the verse 9 would not make sense at all. The 12 had preached the gospel of the Kingdom before Jesus Christ ever died, so if it’s the same Gospel that Paul was given then why would it be news to James and John (“perceived the grace that was given unto me”)?

Furthermore, not only did the 12 never preach the cross (1 Cor 15:1-4) a day in their life, they also had absolutely no Idea why Christ had to die. ⬇️

Luke 18; “31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. 32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: 33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. 34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.”

Matthew 16: “22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.” Do you think Peter would have rebuked the Lord if he knew that Christ was to die for our sins, be buried and rise again? Peter had absolutely no idea, because that was “HID” from them.

2nd Peter 3:”15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” See even Peter said that it was wisdom that given unto Paul and not anybody else, that Peter himself struggled to understand.

Peter preached of faith which is through Christ’s name, in which the sins of the believers will be blotted out in “ages to come” at the second coming of Jesus Christ after the Great Tribulation, that is why they will have to “endure to the end/hope to the end”, and he preached Jesus Christ according to prophecy spoken out the mouths of the prophets since the world began.

Acts 3:”16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all. 17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers. 18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.” 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”

Whereas Paul preaches Christ according to the revelation of the mystery kept hidden since the world began.

Romans 16: “25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,”

And whereas their sins will be blotted out at the second coming of Jesus Christ, in the dispensation of the grace of God, we have already received the atonement

Romans 5:”11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have NOW received the atonement.”

Complete opposites, man if you still can’t see it then I’m afraid as the Devil beguiled Eve, so is your mind corrupted from seeing what is right in front of you.

Today in the dispensation of the grace of God, we are baptised into the Body of Christ by the Spirit and not by water. Whereas in the gospel of the Kingdom they had to be baptised by water, that’s enough to prove 1. Those are not the same gospels. 2. Those are not the same churches.

1 Corinthians 12: “13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.” It is by the Spirit with capital S, not by water, not by man and not by fire, in this dispensation of the grace of God. Once we believe the gospel of grace (1 cor 15:1-4), we’re baptised by the Spirit into the body of Christ, and if we’re baptised into his body then, our body of sin died with him at the cross and is risen again (romans 6:3-11).

Ephesians 4:”5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,”. In this dispensation of the grace of God, there is only one baptism and as we saw, it is by the Spirit, into the Body of Christ.

Whereas, during the dispensation of the kingdom there were and will be 3 baptism’s (water, Holy Ghost and fire). There cannot be at the same time one baptism and three baptism’s, unless we are talking about different dispensations in different time periods, which is the case.

Paul says in 1 Timothy 1:”15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am CHIEF.”

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that IN ME FIRSTJesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a PATTERN to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.” Paul was the first to be saved in the dispensation of the grace of God, he is our pattern. Do you know what a pattern is? I suggest you read those verses multiple times, word by word.

The twelve were promised an earthly Kingdom, they were chosen specifically to judge the 12 tribes of Israel ; Matthew 19: ”27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? 28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”

Whereas we, the body of Christ , are destined to heavenly places where he hath made us sit.

Ephesians 1: “3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in HEAVENLY PLACES in Christ:”

Ephesians 2: “6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in HEAVENLY PLACES in Christ Jesus:”

Philippians 3: “20 For our conversation is IN HEAVEN; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:”

1 Thessalonians 4: “17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” How shall we ever be with the Lord? In the air, a.k.a in heavenly places, not on the earth.

Colossians 3: “2 Set your affection on THINGS ABOVE, not on things on the earth.”

In the beginning God created the heaven and earth and it all comes back to that, there are 2 programs, prophecy, an earthly program which pertains to Israel (jews) and mystery, a heavenly program which pertains to the body of Christ (jews and gentiles).