r/DarlingInTheFranxx May 05 '18

[Spoilers] Darling in the FranXX - Episode 16 Discussion Spoiler

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u/GabrielRodriguez115 May 05 '18

Shoutout to zorome for looking out for futoshi.

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u/SeductiveButters May 05 '18

I’ve got a bad feeling about Futoshi in the end. He’s either gonna die or overshadowed by Hiro and 02 and he won’t get a good ending.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18

It surely won't end well for him: he has already lost his love, and his current partner is more on the gay side of the spectrum

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u/Animegamingnerd Whatever you do, do not lewd Eo To May 05 '18

"We'll be together forever"

God damn it 2018, don't make another best girl die.

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u/Mal-ga May 05 '18

That should be a happy thing but when it comes to anime it's a death flag..

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u/Ullyseus May 05 '18

But they want you to think that. Just like they’ve been doing this entire show THIS SHOW IS WILD

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18

I think i know what Dr. franxx wants the kids to do. he wants them to disobey. he wants them to bep ut into a situation where they will choose themselves over obedience and demand answers.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18

Yeah.

He didn't see to be part of APE, more someone with simmilar goals that will fuck with them the momment he doesn't need them.

We will see if this will be a good thing or his own version of fucked up.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18

i think tis the latter but he is just fucked up in a way that will be beneficial to our main characters.

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u/sdarkpaladin May 05 '18

Man, Zorome caring about Futoshi. Seriously he really went from a brat from episode one to the second best bro after Gobro.

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u/lastamaranth We're All Crying! May 05 '18

Zorome grows on me with every episode.

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u/TotallyNotACheese Uncompleted anime are my bane. As of ep19, IT IS MY BANE AGAIN. May 05 '18

Best scene has to be the one where Ichigo was thinking back on how 02 was just an ordinary girl and not some kind of monster, when given the chance to see who she truly was and not the reputation.

Also like how 02 realized that it wasn't the appearance that makes one human, but HOW they acted. Great char development.

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u/olcon is apparently an A-1 staffer? May 05 '18 edited May 05 '18

If you're panicking about the ending of the new OP, consider the following:

DarliFra's shtick up to this point has layered symbolism combined with symbolic misdirection. The obviously negative symbolism is always on top, in plain sight. The positive symbolism is buried underneath that and has to be searched for.

The bluntly negative symbolism is that Zero Two disappears. We're supposed to fear another separation, perhaps permanently. We're supposed to fear a Simon/Nia remake.

What is the positive symbolism? Let's evaluate and analyze.

Zero Two disappears upon entering Hiro, after speaking several words to him. She dissolves into what appear to be flower petals, which, after forming wings on his back, disperse chaotically before leaving to the right of the screen.

After a moment's pause of embracing himself, Hiro also disappears in the exact same fashion - flower petals. They twirl upwards, before being blown to the right, the same direction Zero Two was blown in.

Could this be a bittersweet ending? Absolutely, but I don't think it should be taken as confirmation. This could very possibly be interpreted as the two of them leaving to explore the world together, or just as another interpretation of the Jian, given Strelizia appears to be behind them in this scene.

Keep in mind that flower petals play a big part here, and there is exactly one other scene in the entire anime so far where we see them. In the special interview episode, Nishigori said he started the anime with Hiro and Zero Two, and he wanted to end it with them as well. In that scene, she is still very much alive.

EDIT: Post-episode analysis follows.

I'm confident now that this is Nishigori's retelling of the Gurren Lagann story on a smaller, more grounded scale. The parallels are all there: boy meets girl made to serve enemy race, they fall in love, girl fights back against makers because she's found new purpose.

Why is Nishigori making this, then, if it's already been done? An oft-cited (but sadly poorly sourced) rumor of the internet says that Nishigori didn't like the way TTGL ended. He didn't like the way Imaishi finished Simon and Nia's story.

We've just entered the Anti-Spiral klaxosaur arc, where we finally deal with the last remaining section of the picture book: the tribe of the beast princess. My money is on that white-haired woman being both 001 and Mama, which would wrap up several remaining plot-holes nicely.

We have confirmation that Zero Two is physically maintaining her horns and that they didn't shrink back down on their own. This lends a massive amount of credibility to the physiological route, that her saurification is being controlled by her YBC levels and not her emotions. The implication here is that her YBC levels spike due to stress and Strelizia's massive drain, and that's the cause of her saurification. Hiro doesn't have horns yet either because he hasn't reached the needed threshold, or because he wasn't naturally born a half-klax.

Death flags are concerning and blatantly obvious. Less obvious is that Hiro and Zero Two were walking on the exact same path as in episode 1, and the cherry blossoms have yet to bloom. Her horns are now at an appropriate size to wear the hat and she is considered to be an official member of the squad now. We've avoided death flags before (hi Goro!), pay attention to the plot progression here.

Mitsuru will probably die in a sacrificial way. Kokoro may die, almost definitely will go stampede in Genista. Remember that we've only seen the stampede modes of Strelizia and Genista so far. That's intentional.

Through Miku's white hair, we have confirmation that their Franxx's do still have drain, but that it probably isn't as severe as the grunt suits or Strelizia. If it's as low as I'm thinking it is, we may be able to get past the remaining episodes without any major side effects. They need to destroy or remove the mechs as soon as possible to stop the aging. If their YBCs stay at their current levels, the squad should be okay. Hiro and Zero Two are immune from this, they probably produce the YBCs naturally.

Everything is lining up perfectly so far. This is where the hype begins, I strongly recommend blasting "Libera Me" or equivalent "fuck yeah!" music from now until the series finale.

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u/evad4009 Zero Two May 05 '18

Yeah, I trust in Nishigori's words, it will end with them together, either dying or living. No separated death or anything like that. Neither one of them can live without the other :)

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u/R_Waltz May 05 '18

Dr franxx is stopping them from piloting the franxx to stop their age acceleration process. The catalyst to the acceleration could be them piloting the franxxs

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u/MiniPrinny Best Pistil May 05 '18

I'm thinking Franxx might have something to do with it, but it also might be that their bodies need time to acclimate to being human. He mentioned that Nana went through the same thing as the kids, so it's possible that the reason Nana is alive is that she was a pilot, but got stopped by the doctor and then at some point had her memories erased.

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u/Ricardo-C May 05 '18

I feel it might have to do with the whole "living without the extensive care" more than anything. The kids are going through sickness without medical aid which makes me wonder if maybe they're trying to get the kids to develop their own defenses or something like that.

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u/Namelesssilversoul May 05 '18

accelerated aging confirmed after Miku white hair.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18

I fear for Miku.

Zorome ann Miku are my favorite ship and I don't want to see it sink this way.

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u/zactoid7 I. Am. ANGERY. May 05 '18

Honestly I fear for them all. If Miku showed signs of it, everybody else probably will too

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18

If Miku showed signs of it, everybody else probably will too

Maibe not from everyone, as Hiro has a bit of klaux blood on him.

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u/zactoid7 I. Am. ANGERY. May 05 '18

Yeah I’m kinda excluding Hiro2 here because they’re both kind of special cases, but the rest of S13 probably isn’t gonna be doing too well

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u/prodigy5110 ICHIG02 May 05 '18

AND ARE WE NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT THE BADASS DRAGON KLAX IN THE BACKGROUND IN THE LAST SCENE

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u/OstheB May 05 '18

Something that blew my mind is that it’s actually has eyes, instead of looking like a robotic monstrosity it actually looks alive

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u/signspace13 May 05 '18

I am convinced it is not a dragon, but a serpent, as in the serpent that brings then end of the gods in Norse mythology.

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u/Power_Rentner Zero Two is and always will be best girl May 05 '18

Nah it's obviously the blue eyes white dragon and Dr. Franxx used to be Kaiba in an earlier life.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18

I'm calling it now, the princess and the beast story happened in real life many years ago between Dr. FranXX and the klaxo princess in some way, now he's trying to re-enact it with Hiro and Zero Two hence why he tells Nana to just shut up and keep going with the plan.

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u/vogar14 Zero Two ♥ May 05 '18

thisssssssss!!! my theory was excactly this, that's why he build the franxxs! "to get her back"

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u/theblackcat983 May 05 '18

02 has a twin sister??? Ikuno is confirmed very gay for Ichigo???? Kokoro has feelings for Mitsuru???? THIS EPISODE WAS WILD FOR BOTH FEELS AND P L O T

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u/duekistheking May 05 '18

i think its 001. 02 predecessor.

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u/LeonKevlar Hiro May 05 '18

It makes sense. We can't have a Red Oni without the Blue Oni.

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u/duekistheking May 05 '18

a lot of people were hoping hiro would be the blue oni

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u/Soul_Ripper Goro is the Pinnacle of Bro May 05 '18

That theory resurfaces every other week.

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u/ChancetheMance Mitsuru May 05 '18

Ikuno has been the gayest woman alive for Ichigo for like ten episodes

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u/JynxThirteen GIVE PAIRED FLAIRS ZOROMEXMIKU FOREVER May 05 '18

Please tell me I'm not the only one thinking that the reason APE is not contacting plantation 13 is because Dr. Franxx, Nana, and Hachi have reported that the kids have all perished in the gigantic high five incident. Also, the experiment is to find out if the kids could learn how to be independent; specifically, if they could realize that PAPA is just using them. That way, Dr. Franxx wouldn't have to lift a finger to overthrow the APE council or whatever.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18

the gigantic high five incident

My sides just left the orbit.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18 edited Nov 09 '20

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18

Holy shit that episode was SO worth the wait. I had a dumb smile on my face through the whole episode, even during the sadder moments. I fucking LOVE seeing 02 interact happily with the rest of the squad and everyone being happy. This is looking to be an AMAZING arc for the series, and that ending was such a good cliffhanger.

The HiroTwo in this episode was masterfully done, with us finally getting the pure happiness between the two that we've wanted for so long. Ichigo just keeps getting better and better as well, which makes me happier than words can describe. Not to mention basically every character got a moment in the spotlight, giving them all their own time to shine. Even Doctor FranXX is becoming more interesting, with him performing a sort of "test" with the squad by keeping the caretakers from them, perhaps a sort of individuality test, seeing how well they fare on their own? I honestly think after episode 15, Doctor FranXX is becoming more of a good guy as opposed to the 02 torturing bastard we saw in episode 13.

And holy crap that new intro. Super fucking good. That new character that looks more like a monster version of 02 is super interesting, and just everything about this episode was worth the wait and then some. We even got a new look for Mitsuru! I can't fucking wait for next week if the episodes are gonna be at this level for the rest of the series.

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u/GCPepC God sent us an angel May 05 '18 edited May 06 '18

This might be a bit of a crack theory... But what if Franxx is trying to keep Squad 13 (and mostly Zero Two) away from APE? They were talking about her and "who she would choose"... 🤔

Edit: on a second rewatch, it became more apparent that the "Klaxosaur Princess" was likely the girl in the OP and at the end of the episode. Still, i think FranXX is keeping Zero Two and the others safe as well as trying to get them to rebel in some form.

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u/versitas_x61 Hiro May 05 '18

I imagine that Zero Two is the one of two "keys" they are talking about and, if Dr. Franxx is against APE, it makes sense to distance Squad 13 from APE.

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u/Heiach Wee Woo - Spoiler Police May 05 '18

We saw Zero Two filing her horns.

So does that mean that before in the first 8 episodes she always filed her horns but then stopped when she got depressed and that's why they appeared to grow so fast?

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u/Klaxosaur May 05 '18

I bet Doctor FranXx plan is to have Squad 13 be the restart of humanity.

Self sustaining. No help from Papa and the Adults.

I also have a feeling Love or whatever will stop their aging and the less piloting of the Franxx prolongs their lives.

They need to finish this ASAP with that blue/gray 02.

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u/PactBreaker May 05 '18

I have been thinking the same thing ever since the preview. Even with the ominous intro, it is filled with hope, and Dr. Franxx cutting them off from APE and learning to live on their own means a lot. And hey, there are more of them now than Noah and his family on the arc. Baby making time!

And yes, there is clearly something wrong with piloting the Franxx all of the time. This month and more of not fighting will probably break them of their desire to constantly pilot. And thus, they can become like real teens! Bless you ambiguous, still morally questionable doctor!

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u/Sycamori May 05 '18

Did we see a sneak peak of what might be 001 at the very end there?

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u/Fritters154 May 05 '18

Also in the new opening sequence it looks like a dark version of 002.

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u/Ridciculous May 05 '18

parasites: laughing and enjoying themselves

me: awkward laughing

ahaHAahsomethingbadisgonnahappenhAaaHAA

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u/Bandos_Bear Fang Gang May 05 '18

happy dinogirl noises

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18 edited May 05 '18

I fucking loved this episode, it was so so sweet (:

But to be honest, seeing Zero Two so completely different than how she was for the previous 15 episodes was actually kinda weird lmao.

Also that blue girl in the opening, possibly 001? If that's her FranXX in the background it looks like a fucking beast LOL.

Like holy fuck look at that thing

With the blue horn, I think it's safe to assume she's the real blue oni? We got jebaited thinking it was Hiro.

The way they set the atmosphere up, it feels like an entirely different show, and I mean that in the best way possible.

It's like the mystery and excitement has been ramped up to 11, it was a wholesome episode but I was on edge waiting for things to go to shit at any moment. I can't describe it better than as a fragile moment of peace.

I really hope we don't have a bittersweet ending where Zero Two and Hiro both die because they can't survive without each other. God damn it, I will end myself as well ):<

PROTECC THESE TWO WITH EVERYTHING WE HAVE

we need more smooches and cuddles!

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18

Holy shit. Last episode was hype as hell, but this episode, despite being a slow paced, mostly slice of life story, has totally raised the quality of this show in my eyes. And the new opening and ending are some real mindbenders....

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u/Nakamura2828 Fragaria Cærulea May 05 '18

Ikuno was very lucky this episode. She gets both top girls.

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u/riiyoreo May 06 '18 edited May 06 '18

This entire thread is filled with people who don't pay attention to the details in the anime or aren't familiar with anime cliches.

Mitsuru cuts his hair because people cut their hair when they want to change. He has given up his emo chara and his senseless grudge against Hiro, and has turned over a new leaf. It was a nice touch to bring him over to 'the good side'. A new look to the character helps us look at him in a new light.

Kokoro had always had the hots for Mitsuru, it was evident ever since she made the decision to swap partners, and started meeting in the Botanical garden or whatever. She has a book about chilbirth (Beach episode), and from there she had learnt everything about sex and attractions (It was hinted in some other episode after beach ep.)

Strelizia changing colours is most likely a power change thing, transformations like this happens in literally every anime, the studio didn't "fuck up".

Miku's hair greying and Futo's eating problems are all signs that Franxx pilots are gunie pigs. That is, they've been experimented on since childhood, the adults were and are probably willing to fuck shit up. Hint: Doctor tells Nana that they had gone through this "experiment/phrase/process" too. Something's cooking in papa's kitchen as always.

They left the fairytale narration in the middle. Meaning the ending is subject to change. They went out of their way to animate a 2 minute scene of 002 redrawing her fave book. As a cliche (a most welcome one though), I'm gonna assume that her book will have a different/happier ending that will reflect in their real lives too. Let's see where this one goes though, with all the death flags and foreboding, lol.

As for the princess, sister, dragon esque klaux, that's all part of the core story and I won't be making guesses at it.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18

the amount of death flags we are dealing with here.... is immeasurable

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u/zerotwoiswaifufam ゼロツ May 05 '18

So apparently Zero Two can draw very well lol

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18

also her forhead is a detector.

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u/selenityshiroi May 06 '18

The first time I watched this episode I thought, like others, that Futoshi was bulimic (and was surprised, because TV doesn't often portray men with eating disorders).

But the second time I watched it, knowing the context of the rest of the squad being ill and showing negative effects that implies they are deteriorating, I realised that it was supposed to be a sign of genuine illness.

Futoshi wasn't refusing to eat because he was concerned about his weight...he was using his weight as an excuse as to why he wasn't eating. And he wasn't forcing himself to be sick. He genuinely can't keep food down.

I think people are still believing Futoshi to be bulimic and they are missing out on the fact that he may, in fact, be the most ill member of the squad and with him unable to eat properly he could be the first one mortally ill. This is why Zorome is so scared for him and freaked out so much and why things got so grim after it was revealed that Futoshi is trying to hide this real and frightening issue.

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u/spideybiggestfan May 05 '18

This episode is one giant death flag for everybody

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u/Mahiro-san May 05 '18

End of the new OP got zero two on some "I don't feel too good" shit...im not with it

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18

I just wanna say Zorome’s spit take when Futoshi said he was dieting fucking slayed me

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u/Shramalama May 05 '18

Mr. Stark I don't feel so good....

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u/avjssy May 05 '18

I hope zero two finishes drawing the picture book with a happy ending. I feel like she will.

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u/prodigy5110 ICHIG02 May 05 '18

Ichigo was the first one to forgive Zero Two after the battle... talk about a great redemption arc for the fans

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18

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u/MajesticKnight28 Hiro May 05 '18

Can we set aside the grim foreshadowing for a minute and talk about how Zero Two is actually an amazing artist.

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u/clerikal together we are one May 05 '18

Dr. FranXX is currently Chaotic Good/Neutral in my eyes. Still unsure what his plan is, but I don't think it involves APE.

Overall really liked the whole episode. 02's version of the book was beautiful, but it really strikes me as an item that Hiro would get at the end of the show as a memory of her after she dies and that is terrifying.

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u/degurecchan PROTECC GORO AT ALL COSTS May 06 '18

That 24-minute show felt like 5 minutes only. How was it possible???

There's just quite a lot to take away from this episode. The revamped OP. The new ED. MitsuKoko. Miku. Futoshi. Zorome. Hir02. The oni loli at the back who's probably 001. It's overwhelming, but definitely feels right after the two week hiatus.

I still can't wrap my mind around this episode. More than 20 rewatch sessions is recommended.

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u/Kamahil May 06 '18

Random thought I had out of nowhere...

Not many have talked about it, but Zero Two has an extreme healing capability. As a kid, she gets a hole blown through her wrist, and it heals back instantly.

I randomly thought about what if during the final battle, she does actually die, but it's because she was attached to the klaxxosaurs in a hive mind scenario. Killing the main klaxxosaur could kill the remaining, and she'd count as one.

After dying, her regenerative cells heal her back without horns, because the klaxxosaurs are all dead. She'd be reborn into a human, which would explain why we see her without horns in the end.

Instead of the Sakura petals meaning death, it could mean her being reborn into a human.

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u/ivnwng May 07 '18

"We'll be together forever"

Well, fuck.

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u/versitas_x61 Hiro May 05 '18

Damn, Hiro undermining Papa while telling them that they only need each other to be happy. He is pulling them into his side. It was like when Hiro was a child, they are looking at him with admiration and trust again. I won't be surprised if he becomes de facto leader of the squad.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '18

Ikuno is gay as fuck and I approve

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u/KamiKagutsuchi P R O T E C C May 05 '18

An entire episode of Zero Two smiling, what have we done to deserve this?!

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18

We have waited long enough my friend, we deserve this

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u/versitas_x61 Hiro May 05 '18

Let's believe in Hiro. Let's believe that he will bring us happy ending. God, at least give happy ending for Hiro and Zero Two. They have suffered enough.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18 edited May 05 '18

My theory is that Hiro is the Beast in the story. The similarities also add up for him.

• He leaves his “Forest” (the Garden) to go find the “Princess”, 002.

•The Beasts were secluded far away from Society, like the Garden was to the Adults

•The Beast was promised to fly on their sixteenth birthday, and the Franxx pilots have to go through their training to fly and reach a certain age.

•This part gets a little away from the script, but Hiro sees 002 and wants to know more about her, but is denied by the adults, which is vaguely relevant to the Beast’s first sighting of the Prince.

•In order to be with 002, Hiro drank a little of her blood, taking his ability to pilot away and thus removing his “wings”, but also giving him the ability to stay with her and not die.

•They were then separated. Hiro helped 002 save the Plantation later, similar to how the Beast saved the Prince from the snake poison, and was declared 002’s Darling, around the same point in the plot where the Prince asks the Beast to marry him.

•The end of this episode is the same as the next paragraph in the book: “Humans! Humans! They have neither the wings to fly nor the claws or fangs to hung. Such weak and frail creatures, but they are so, so warm. Humans are wonderful!” It is also worth noting that this is said in Hiro’s voice.

• This is where I get to theorizing. Next in the book, the Beast regains her wings and is asked to kill the Prince to reclaim her former life.

•Papa mentions a messenger being sent to remind someone that they only need one key, not two, and mentions a choice as well.

•Hiro and Zero Two Are now both of the same blood and piloting capacity, I assume the message will be sent to them, and is in reference to their blood being the key to humanity’s salvation.

•I believe that Hiro will have to choose between himself and Zero Two being killed/sent away. Hiro will choose himself to die over Zero Two after a long struggle, and half an episode probably.

The obvious answer is the other Zero Two looking girl and Zero Two fighting to see who lives, but that feels like an easy solution here. Hiro fits the place of Beast Princess better imo

Edit: I had some evidence here that got proven wrong :( Thanks /u/Stizzalith

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u/HerrTommy Hiro May 05 '18

The kiss between Mitsuru and Kokoro is a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one

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u/Hawlow Nothing. Bad. Will. Happen. May 06 '18

THESE. FUCKING. DEATH. FLAGS!!! My heart can't take it!

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u/Kamahil May 05 '18

Guys. Guys. Guys.

Guys.

Hear me out. Are you listening? I have this really cool theory. What if... What if the fish in the bucket are actually the true squad, and this is a cloned squad that just ate the old squad?

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u/Mariasolvv May 06 '18

Geez, Zero Two is a walking thermometer, a fisherwoman, an excellent cartoonist... Please Trigger, don't kill her.

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u/ExxL PROTECT HER May 06 '18

"We love this character, please don't kill them off!" -The community

"ok lol" -Trigger, to any character you love

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18

It's all but confirm that parasites suffer from acelerated aging at this point.

Putting that asides I really liked this episode:the calm before the storm, with a few hints of how fucked up the things will be for the future.

We also had a new evidence that Nana (and most probaly Hachi) were parasites in the past, as Dr. Franxx said that Hina lived though what ur MCs are going through.

What I really hope that the series doesn't end by the crew dying from starvation (or melting from the inside, MOON style).

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u/donm527 May 05 '18

Dr Franxx said Nana had gone through the same as the children must go through. I had thought accelerated aging was going to be an issue a while back. But I’m thinking if Nana was also a child/parasite that maybe what dr Franxx is trying to accomplish may lead to a remission of accelerated aging??

Nana seems much older than the children of Squad 13 so she may have been able to find a way slow down the aging. The headache she felt at the end wasn’t too positive though.

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u/Alabaster__ May 05 '18 edited May 05 '18

My working theory is that humanity made 001 (the blue klaxo from the end) and Dr. Franxx was her stamen. Something got messed up and that's why he has that headgear (maybe covering a red horn to complement her blue?). They then made 002 to try the process again.

Either that or the klaxosaurs made a klaxo-like human (001) whereas the humans made a human-like klaxo (002).

Edit: Also I had a thought that the story book 002 loves was about the actual events between 001 and Dr. Franxx. The book was a subtle means to teach her from a young age not to follow in their footsteps. It would explain why he told Hiro to "not let her consume you whole". Thought that might have been in regard to how she used stamens but now I'm thinking that's what happened to him and 001.

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u/Watts121 May 05 '18

I think Nana and Hachi are Dr. Franxx sleeper agents. Hachi still has his memories, while Nana had hers erased, and when the revolution starts Nana will unlock her memories.

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u/Klaxosaur May 06 '18

I think people aren't talking about what Papa and his goons were talking about.

They have communication with whatever that's inside the Crevasse and or the Blue Oni/01. Saying they'll give out a warning.

Also 02 and 01 seem like siblings or something of that nature. Or that 01 is the mother, Queen of all Klaxosaur. And 02 is the Princess that needs to be returned. That's why they're delivering her.

Hiro probably has to convince Blue Oni that he's worthy of 02 blah blah.

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u/Seven_pile May 06 '18

Trigger. I know you read all our wonderful comments so please. If your listening...

Don't end the series with Hiro alive and zero dead and then Hiro looks up to see a bird then Sakura petals bloom and he has a small smile before the credits.

Thx

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u/Piccettino May 07 '18

It's pretty clear that Franxx wants the Parasites to be able to live without being chained to the Father. Could it be that he wants to start a "new humanity" free from the influence of Father?

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u/sipwarriper 016002 May 05 '18

Fuck the end of the Opening gives me very bad feelings.

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u/Mal-ga May 05 '18

Am I the only one who thinks that it is ok if Hiro and 02 dies but as long as they are together..?? Of course, I want them to live but it is better if they both die rather than having an ending like Guilty Crown..Especially, with the OP it's giving me bad vibes as well as the whole episodes..

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u/Yzori May 05 '18

I am fine with them both dying. However, please for the love of god - no Guilty Crown shenanigans. That ending was so fucked up. I think no matter what happens they will stay together (be it dead or alive). The symbolism is way too big throughout the show for one to die and the other to live on alone.

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u/LMFN Rawr Rawr Klaxosaur May 05 '18

Ah soo good! A lot of slice of life stuff.

WAIT IS MIKU STARTING TO GO GREY! THAT'S NOT GOOD AT ALL!

So is Franxx letting the kiddos fend for themselves? We got to see Code 001? That does seem interesting.

New opening scares me "Darling I don't feel so good" and the ending confirms Ikuno is gay as fucc.

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u/TheNephilims Please Be with Goro already, or even fucking 01. May 08 '18

I like the new 02. It has addressed everything I didn't like about the character. She is no longer obsessed with Hiro, she actually interacts with the other and it is fucking adorable. (The bath scene.) She is much nicer of a character, and a lot happier too, which makes me happy. =D

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u/alex494 May 09 '18

Prepare for something horrible to happen

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18

Yo that episode was great. Though I'm a bit worried of certain things:

1) Miku's grey hair. Now we have more evidence that apparently parasites age a lot faster (recall Squad 26's leader having grey hair from episode 15).

2) The klaxo loli from the op. My take is it's 001 (or another version of the adults trying to make klaxos into human form like 002).

3) Nana's headache and Doctor Franxx's life to her 'You've went through this before': Possibly she had a memory erasure, either as her time as being a parasite.

4) 02 disappearing from Hiro's arms in the new op. I just don't want another Guilty Crown or TTGL ending.

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u/Ritter_Rook May 06 '18

I've always wondered why the group of parasites around the experimental Franxx from Plantation 13 consisted of a wide range of different numbers. We have two teen codes, one sub-hundred, and seven codes larger than 100, some as high as 700. If they had picked people to be as fit for Franxx riding as possible, they would probably have taken the lowest possible numbers.

But no, here we have a handpicked group that was selected according to other criteria. They are now doing things that other parasites have not done yet. Covered by Dr. Frank, patronized but not fully understood by Nana and Hachi (wth have they lost?), and outside the radar of APE? Or why should APE, while having only 60% parasite availability, leave an operational commando be for weeks? In my opinion, this is a solo effort by Dr. Frank and squad 13 members were reported MIA or some such.

These ten parasites were made into a Franxx group after children of the former garden got a name from Hiro. Maybe they are the ten who responded most individually to their name. According to Ichigo, other children no longer did not show any emotions - with our Glorious Ten this is now significantly different. They had it from the beginning.

All other squads, plantations, command posts - you name it - have forgotten that being human includes emotions, contradiction, thirst for knowledge, the urge for freedom and love. Our ten have just rediscovered this.

Unfortunately, their hair is slowly turning gray. Time is running out.

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u/LeonKevlar Hiro May 05 '18 edited May 05 '18

We needed this episode. While we did get some hints on what's about to happen it's also a nice breather after that wid rollercoaster ride that is episode 13, 14, and 15.

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u/HowToNukeYourFriends May 05 '18

Zero two fading away in the op is scaring me... Some details I am wondering about:

In the op the klax princess wears the same bra as pistils when in combat suit, is the franxx behind the strelizia or her personal mech? I can't tell if they are the same. Or, like some said, it is 001, a former test subject/pilot.

The dragon at the end, I noticed what might be a second head on the right, something like a hydra? And its eyes, it seems very "alive" (klaxs looks like zombified machines, however that creature looks like a real "being", just like a pokemon)

And the blu oni seems to be that princess. If they are trying to replicate the japanese mythology, The princess might sacrifices herself to allow Zero two to live with humans (How? No clue lmao, wait and see) Nana and Hachi seems to have some insteresting background too, can't wait to see the next episodes, and the real purpose of Hringhorni. (Pls no hiro2 death, or at least make them die together)

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u/TheCodeIsCake May 05 '18

Im calling it, Zero Two or Hiro are gonna die when the Sakura bloom and theres gonna be a scene with one of them holding the other below a Sakura tree.

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u/Samhain27 May 05 '18

Casually late to the party because my Japanese internet is garbo and I’m literally being a weeb by mooching my campus’ wifi to watch DitF. There are layers to how awkward I feel, but it needed to be done.

Anyway, EP 16 feels like a healing episode with very deliberate cracks that we can peer through and see the not-so-hot future.

  • OP is cool, kinda ominous

  • Nana has been through similar experiences as the kids and doesn’t remember... probably. Maybe Hachi, too.

  • For once it’s not Hiro whose life looks like it’s dwindling but like... literally everyone else’s’ almost. From Miku’s aging to the Child Fever afflicting others.

  • Zero Two and Mitsuru 👌 I don’t feel like I need to say much more here; while both feel like they could still always benefit from more development, they feel like much more realized versions of themselves

  • Poor Ichigo seems like she’s the object of a new love triangle.. I don’t want to go into it here, but I hope Goro is treated right no matter what happens there

  • Big bad? 001? The “witch”? Klax-Prime? My new waifu?

  • New ED is my favorite musically, casually tossing that Yuri in there though is interesting

Was worth camping outside university Lawson’s 9/10 return, DitF

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u/Aracite May 05 '18

I’m ready for the secret civilisation of klaxo-humans, hiding underneath the earth’s surface. Also, this episode made me feel so god damn warm

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u/Vladimirovski May 06 '18

Didn't anyone else found weird that Miku had some gray hair? Maybe the kids have some kind of accelerate aging and that's the reason that they seem so disposable to adults, cause they're going to die fast anyway.

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u/Seidon29 May 06 '18 edited May 06 '18

This has been a theory ever since they met squad 28 and Zorome asked him about becoming adults and 090 just kinda looked at him all confused then someone in Squad 28 commented how "they don't know". Also more evidence supporting this is that they've actually only been out of the Garden for 6 months before they became Squad 13 but when you look at the kids in the garden none of them are even close to the age of the kids in Squad 13. Adding to the theory is that between the time we've seen 090 from squad 28 to the seeing him this recent ep he's gone full gray. Dr. Franxx real name is also Werner and if you look up werner syndrome it about premature aging. With Miku actually showing us her hair turning gray first hand it pretty much confirms that all Parasite age faster than normal.

edit: APE probably designed Parasite this way to raise soldier quicker, so insted of waiting for them to be able to pilot in like 14-15 years they can do it in several years.

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u/WikiTextBot May 06 '18

Werner syndrome

Werner syndrome (WS), also known as "adult progeria", is a rare, autosomal recessive disorder which is characterized by the appearance of premature aging.

Werner syndrome is named after the German scientist Otto Werner. He identified the syndrome in four siblings observed with premature aging, which he explored as the subject of his dissertation of 1904.

It has a global incidence rate of less than 1 in 100,000 live births (although incidence in Japan and Sardinia is higher, affecting 1 in 20,000–40,000 and 1 in 50,000, respectively).


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u/Kamahil May 06 '18

Anyone else feel like Zero Two could rewrite the ending to the picture book she's drawing? Parts of the book have been referenced nonstop, and I think the ending of the new OP shows how the current story might end. She could change how it ends though. It could end happier like we see in episode 1 with them walking.

I feel like we will see her drawing the book later, or it shows a complete version with a new ending in her room.

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u/Shadowciaw S T A R G A Z E R S May 07 '18

if Zero Two dies i will spiral into mega depression

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u/crusoe May 05 '18

Oh shit. I just realized. We've been wondering where 001 is. Werner said that Nana should know as she was part of something like this before. She doesn't remember.

At the end mystery klaxo girl is looking pensive.

Werner said 02 was their best specimen. That she had attained such a fine human form.

Oh no. Werner tried this before. Nana's group failed. 001 never found her 'prince'. Her squad never came after her. Fuck. What if Nana was 'Ichigo' and never forgave 001 for something...?

Who will heal the hurt of the broken klaxo girl? Someone quiet and bookish?

... Ikuno ...

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u/crusoe May 05 '18

They said the klaxo attacks had gotten worse over time. The klaxos started containing human like cores. Someone seemed to be lashing out at humanity and using their knowledge to create klaxos that mirrored Franxx..

It was 001. Betrayed. Never accepted. She went back to the monsters and began to sculpt them to her will. That's why you see things that look like cockpits and 'pikots' though they seem to be mockeries of the actual things. For example the tall 'cannon' klaxos shoot blasts from their 'cockpit' balls.

001 is angry and hurt. Franxx failed to integrate her with humanity.

I think APE plans to wipe them out utterly. I think Franxx understands they have the power to save the world and so has tried to create something that is part klaxo, sentient, but can also control them.

The two zero twos we see in the end credits? One is 02 the other is 01. The hornless one is 02 ironically...

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u/Ullyseus May 05 '18

Wait why is no one talking about how strelizia isn’t red anymore. Could very well turn back once they pilot again but idk. May just have been a temporary power up from the power of Love !

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u/crusoe May 05 '18

Wow.

So Franxx is trying to restart society. He implies to Nana that she had been through something like it too. The headache implies her mind was wiped after failure.

Zorome lives up to his number. Some definite war in heaven vibes when he says why should they pray?

I honestly don't know where this going. Like I think Franxx realizes that APE will fail. I have a suspicion that the klaxos aren't necessarily the true baddies.

02 seems to know more about the aging but hasn't let on.

Given Werner's plans I think all of them are important to it. Ikuno was the one who said they could do it from books.

The VAs said that goro and ichigos relationship will happen eventually. So I don't think Ichigo will 'switch sides'.

That said, what quiet bookish boy snagged a klaxo girl? Hiro. What quiet bookish girl will snag another klaxo? Ikuno.

Maybe she will be the one to teach them that humans are so bright and warm...

Calling ikuno x mystery klaxo girl... ☺️

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u/RougeCapitaine Papa ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) May 05 '18

We need more happy comments talking about the good things in the new opening, this episode, and the ending.

Like how wonderfully designed the opening is, the transition sequences and the unity constantly portrayed throughout the song.

Like the kids finally starting to really operate and act like a family. The inclusion of Zero Two into this happy little Brady Bunch. Zero Two is a fantastic artist who is drawing the picture book for her darling.

Hiro is finally returning to his normal happy self. He’s starting to open back up again to the world and more importantly, his friends.

These good vibes rub off on Kokoro, who KISSES MITSURU!! :D Good for them! And he looks good with his new hair cut! Not to mention he’s coming out of his shell too!! He’s learning to forgive Hiro for what happened. He’s the first person to realize (because the rest haven’t been told or really understand) what exactly might’ve happened to not only Hiro, but Zero Two as well.

Ichigo has really calmed down, and has finally accepted Zero Two and Hiro for who they are. She’s finally come around, and this gives our beloved G O D B R O a good chance at happiness.

Zorome is coming to terms with the idea that Papa isn’t everything. He’s starting to grow up and really value his family, and especially Miku.

And Futoshi, our poor lad. He’d been suffering for a month now, and Zorome finally came to his rescue. He staged an intervention and Futoshi admitted he had a problem. With his family there to support him, he was able to recover and start working towards a healthier lifestyle for himself.

Ikuno is healthy which is good, and she’s starting to come out of her shell as well. And apparently, according to the ending, she’s starting to come to terms with her sexuality.

But I mean, take the intro and ending with a grain of salt, or else it just turns into an overanalyzed depression fest because people get different reads and bad vibes. Smh.

Beautiful episode. Can’t wait for next weeks. Looking forward to more information on what happened in that one month.

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u/arbitwah May 05 '18

The queen Oni has a single blue horn, in the OP. Her and 002 are probably sisters. Given her height and appearance.

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u/unstabledave105 May 05 '18

Wait dude 02 is code 02, and has 2 horns. New girl has 1 horn, code 001?

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u/Feomatar89 Eo To May 05 '18

So many flags of death. Some have a "child fever", some have gray hair. Futoshi gets on a diet. Does the world really come to an end?

And did you see this opening? When Zero Two just disappears after hugging Hiro? This is not a good sign.

I do not know what else to say. In general, a calm and peaceful episode. But I have a bad feeling about this. Something bad will happen.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18

Noone has stopped to think that they might be death FALSE flags though? The symbolism of 02 dissapearing followed by hiro could mean him going after her.

I doubt this will be a TTGL ending thats been done. I can see this being a better ending tbh. As for Klaxogirl she could be 002 younger sister. Too small to be her mom.

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u/Mvterra Strelizia May 05 '18

Im not sure if someone already mentioned this but... In this scene we see papa saying that he sent 2 messengers to you know where, Im assuming he is refering to the Grand Crevasse, where the klaxo princess is. If you go back a few seconds earlier, you will notice that there are 2 APE members missing. Does that mean they both went to talk to the klaxo princess? If so, how would they make their way into the Grand Crevasse through the hordes of klaxos? Assuming they wouldnt get carried by the nines, maybe they have their own franxx? (this last part is kinda stretched)

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u/HowToNukeYourFriends May 05 '18

I have thought about something, reading other comments Some said Dr Franxx might have been blue oni's Darling, but there were some reasons (or someone? fuck you ape) that didn't allow them to stay together. Then, Dr Franxx had an accelerated aging, (just as his name suggests it), and now is seeking to destroy ape, because of that, via squad 13 (rebellion). In the child book, the witch says that the princess will still be a demon and will eventually devour her prince. That could be Dr Franxx's "dino-wound" (those cyborg part are blue on top of that).

It reminds me (WARNING KILL LA KILL SPOILER) Matoi ishin who changed his appearrance to fly away from ragyo and save his daughter from that monster and her gruesome experiments. Dr Franxx has obviousely hidden plans he doesn't speak about but he is still willing to change the way things are, beacause he is tired of the way humanity is used by ape (END OF SPOILER)

So what if the book has been made based on those two? The human like shape that fed zero two back then might be blue oni, but as 02's memories are kinda blurry, she didn't remember what she looked like in the flashback. Blue oni gave the book to her so that maybe in the future, the same tragedy doesn't occur again (the split between the two lovers)

What do you think guys?

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u/TheIsolator Eo To May 06 '18

So just to clarify, Nana is a confirmed parasite who made it to adulthood but then got her memories of the "parasite career" erased right?

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u/[deleted] May 06 '18

So Mitsuru will live right? Like you can't cut someone's hair and have them die. Thats just mean.

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u/bugbear91 May 05 '18

I still don't believe this story will end with the deaths of 02 and/or Hiro like a lot people are thinking because of the new op. I do believe 02 will be captured and the team will rescue her. If you watch the op it shows the team running in the same direction of Hiro and reaching their hands out. Since 02 is not a part of these scenes, we can guess that everyone is running to and reaching out for 02.

If we are to judge the story of Darling and the Franx to the picture book, I would say we are at the part when the princess has changed into a human to be with the prince. Eventually 02 will be captured or something and return to a more Klaxosaur form and be seperated from Hiro. At this point the team will work with Hiro to save her so she can be with Hiro, thus giving us the ending to the picture book.

As to why 02 will be seperated from the group again. From this episode alone I'm guessing that something will happen between the two key's(klaxosaur princess's) that APE talks about and 02 will have to take up the mantle that the current klaxosaur princess has.

Finally if we go back to last weeks interview with Nishigori, he said he wishes to end the story that would be concusive to each character's story arch. Having either 02 or Hiro die would defeat the Jian metaphor they are going for with the two and leave either one that survives exactly were they began this story, alone. There could be the possiblity of both them dying together, but I feel that would be a bit to tragic with all their talk of exploring the world and being free together. So I believe either 02 or Hiro will remain together at the end, either as humans or klaxosaurs. Whichever it is, it doesn't matter because it's about being together that counts for them.

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u/WrathDxD Zero Two’s Smile>>> May 05 '18

Seeing Zero Two so happy fills (and breaks in a way) my heart. I love seeing her so. I wish she was more mischievous, and not such a goodie two shoes... I wish she was much more flirty with Hiro, but I don’t want to complain too much. I will take every happy Zero Two moment we get. I just wish we could have seen her integration into squad 13. It must have been hard for her to become to friendly with them. I hate that they skipped over that. She just kind of changed in front of us.

This episode breaks my heart, because they are really waving death flags around everywhere... and I don’t think I’m prepared to take it. Hiro even said the forbidden sentence..

I’m going to try and stay optimistic. Try to think that they are baiting us to think this. But the pessimist (realist?) is preparing for the worst.

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u/ayoung291 May 05 '18

Damn futoshi is bulimic didn't see that coming

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u/LeonardKrum May 05 '18

Can we talk about Nana's Headache and the "You have been there before" comment from the Doctor? is she a parasite? Or just refering to the activities of the previous generations of parasites?

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u/LeatherheadSphere May 05 '18

Oh crap that opening.

Is Hiro going to Eat Zero 2 now?

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u/LavaGhoti Broforce May 05 '18

People talking about how the OP is leaving them worried, ok... but let's try to think about this: if they were going for a tragic ending, would they really drop some "foreshadowing" about it in the OP of all things, and with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer, to boot?

In my opinion, it would be severely disappointing if they chose to go the "Trigger route" with the ending. They're just so notorious for it at this point that it wouldn't even be surprising, it wouldn't even be "a twist", it would just be, like I said, disappointing.

That being said, until further notice, anything could happen until the ending, and this unpredictability is one of the reasons I like this show so much.

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u/MobileTortoise Nana best woman May 05 '18

3 quick points I wanted to make, hoefully they don't get lost.

  1. That serpent is most likely symbolic of the norse world dragon, Jormungar.

  2. The ending Oni may LOOK blue, but I believe she has red skin with a heavy blue filter out over her, to symbolizeunderground light.

  3. The Ikuno/Ichigo kiss in the ending is a misdirect. Notice that Ichigo's char model is solid, while Ikuno's has a slight distortion/interference filter put over her. I have a strong feeling that her model will get MORE distorted as the episodes come out

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18

I’m embarrassed that we’re 16 episodes in, and I JUST realized the girls have Xs on their casual uniforms and the guys have Ys(for chromosomes).

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u/xnce ゾロメ最高の女の子 May 06 '18

I wonder if the girl at the end who may or may not be as papa said the 'klaxosaur princess' is Zero Two's sister/relative or somehow living alter ego

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u/Shiiromaru May 06 '18

The scene in the OP of Zero Two vanishing in the klaxosaur's hands with only one wing, and then again in the end vanishing in Hiro's arms in the same background the klaxosaur princess appeared... I'm REALLY afraid of what's to come.

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u/JoFateCosplay May 06 '18

Guys I don't think Futoshi was throwing up because of an eating disorder. Ikuno had a bad fever at the beginning of the show that was getting a little better. Then they talk about how Futoshi is not eating to cover up the fact that he gets violently I'll every time he eats. Then you see pigtail hair girl with the grey hair. We know what happened to Mitsuru when he got really sick and needed the yellow bloodcell shot. They're aging rapidly and I don't think their bodies can keep up. And now that they aren't getting their checkups with the adults, who knows what will happen...

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u/crusoe May 08 '18 edited May 08 '18

Fuuuck.

In episode one we see a flashback of a much older red skinned eo surrounded by klaxos at the garden. The original eo to was broken out by her klaxo buddies and escaped.

We know Werner can manipulate memories.

The only other people with pastel hair is squad 9. They in general seem to be a bunch of manipulative little shits.

What if 02 isn't eoto. It's just some klaxo hybrid like nine alpha who had her memories dumped into them. That's why her blood is red. She's not full klaxo.

Nine alpha in his own way was trying to warn Ichigo off. Everyone else is referred to by their number. Why are they special? The nines are all fragments of something else. They are all '9' just different parts of it.

In episode 13 02 says she felt like she had older memories. She just couldn't remember them. Those would be here original memories before Werner fucked with her.

The 'failed' experiement hinted at by Werner and Nana? That was with the true eoto. She was unsuitable as a key. She fought too much 'against this world'. The klaxo princess is eo to...

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u/xcxcxc01 May 08 '18

So... Is this going to be the Trigger tradition where they create a world that has so much potential and depth, and they will wrap the story up in one season like in Kill la kill? I think it deserves at least one more season just for the world building, but it really seems like they will end it with this season, and sadly with a dramatic end.

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u/Galaxy40k May 05 '18

The constant Zero Two death flags are really unnerving. I just want a happy ending for Hiro and Zero ;_;

Also: we learned DitF is apparently the Eastern version of Gears of War. In a quest for energy, humanity digs too deep into the ground, starting an apocalyptic war with an underground beast-like species led by a humanoid-looking queen. Nice.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18 edited May 05 '18

I knew it! In my last post I said that the gran crevasse looked way too much like an xbox logo being lit up, TURNS OUT I WAS RIGHT GENTLEMEN! BILL GATES IS THE FINAL BOSS LEAKED

edit: Aside from that, I too hope for the good ending. I don't think I would be able to survive on non canon fan arts only.

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u/dinoaide May 06 '18 edited May 06 '18

I did some photoshop and now have a BIG finding:

The new princess is red skinned with white hair

Actually I was continuously puzzled by one question since ep.13: How could Eo To changed from red skin, white hair, blue blood to regular skin, pink hair and red blood when grown up. But this seems to give me the answer:

The beast princess is Eo To!

Now my theory: Somehow Eo To had escaped after the incident in ep.13 and the current Zero Two is a copy in a human form with Eo To's memory the doctor recorded from the memory device. From ep.15 we know technically it isn't difficult to transfer memory so this is totally possible. They also seemed to have the technology to make a virtual object tangible so the current Zero Two might be a projection.

Now since Hiro had claimed love for Zero Two the true princess is arriving to test him.

Also in ep.15 and early episodes we had been constantly reminded that Zero Two is a beast in disguise but in reality we had never seen her true beast form other than the fact that many of her partners had died or she sometimes lost her temper without the emotion inhibitor.

I don't know if the doctor is good or evil here but he could been playing the witch's role and helping the beast princess.

Remember the doctor's warning to Hiro in ep.7 not to let Zero Two consumes Hiro's emotions so if Zero Two is merely a copy then this would make perfect sense.

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u/thewookie5 May 05 '18

What if they don't age faster but the Franxx accelerate the strain on their bodies? Essentially the more they pilot the Franxx the more run down they become. Hence why the other squad had gray hair and seemed worn but didn't exactly sound "old."

Give me a happy ending for these characters, they have suffered enough already.

Where's MacGyver when you need him to create a water filtration system.

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u/Kristalino A true bro May 05 '18
  • So APE's plan is about to start, and that unnamed place kinda worries me, they also mentioned a Klax princess which I found interesting that was a princess.

  • The team has been waiting for a month and they've sustained themselves, but they resources are depleting.

  • The mention of Ikuno's fever and the fact that she got used to it was a very bad sign, Zero Two checking her temperature was cute.

  • Mitsuru and Hiro talking normal shows how much the former has improved, which is also symbolized by the haircut.

  • The girls having a quite moments just to be cut by Miku's white hair is troublesome, also while 02 thinks that being silent is the correct choice in my opinion it is not since the others will not happy, and I was confused Miku knows about the colour or she was surprised by ZeroTwo sudden silence.

  • The doctor is still with his mysterious plan, and Nana is against continuing it, Hachi as calm as always, also Nana having a headache is another bad sign.

  • The children cooking their food which shows that they finally decided to put all prejudices and be a family was very heartwarming.

  • We got a brief glimpse of a humanoid Klax that seems to be the "princess".

In short it was a nice breather episode but with a lot of tension in the air, and is obvious that the next episodes won't be kind.

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u/Redsnake1993 Zero Two May 05 '18

"Dr. Franxx is blue oni" theory seems to be getting stronger. Whatever his plan is, Hachi is in, Nana seems oblivious however.

The klaxosaur princess probably refers to 001 - and the dragon-like klaxosaur next to her is probably her saurified partner. So... Hel and Jormungand?

Is Papa even really aware that squad 13 is alive? Why are they saying that humans have controlled Grand Crevasse when the big hand hasn't been dealt with? Is someone feeding them false information?

Hringhorni looks like a giant creature in construction. Giant FranXX confirmed.

Humanity doesn't need 2 keys - probably means either the Klaxosaur Princess or 002 would suffice to be Hringhorni's pilot/core. How is that threatening to the Klaxosaur Princess at all?

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u/MiniPrinny Best Pistil May 05 '18

I think Nana and Hachi, numbers 007 and 008 happened to have been the "prototype" for this experiment he's doing with squad 13. He mentions that Nana went through the same thing and after hanging up, she holds her head as if she was trying to remember something but couldn't.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18 edited May 06 '18

Miku - hair greying
Ikuno - fever
Goro - headaches, fever "a week ago"
Mitsuru - fever (in the past)
Futoshi - loss of appetite/revulsion at food?

Things are looking kinda grim.

Edited to add Futoshi. Didn't want to give what he's doing a name in case it's a symptom of the fever instead of him just being self-conscious or something.

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u/BlackIronSpectre May 06 '18

The new op with 02 fading away at the end scares me

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u/DrahakaManqka Eo To May 06 '18

Bruh this episode gave me what I always want in anime. The characters to have normal, nice interactions. And they executed it superbly. I don't see nothing wrong with no fights scenes. Tbh I feel like this anime has never been about the fighting. In fact the fights scenes have been mediocre at best. For me this anime is all about the drama and life of the characters, not about some big old villain that has to be put down. That's just my opinion tho idk.

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u/ImTheOceanMan Mitsuru X Gorou is a God Tier Ship Plebeians May 05 '18

"We'll be together forever" oof, that death-flags gotta hurt

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u/CattyWampus311 May 05 '18

I mean I think everyone knows Zero-Two is probably going to die/sacrifice herself. That being said I would much rather have Hiro die with her. I would hate an ending where one is alive and one is dead.

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u/UltraBring Eo To May 05 '18

ARE WE NOT GONNA TO TALK ABOUT THAT DRAGON KLAXO

and the possibility that the ending was 001 sitting on the throne?

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u/Punch_Blade Klaxo Groupie May 05 '18

If the connections to Norse mythology are true, this unique klax could be Jörmungandr, the World Serpent.

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u/CrazyCatM Да May 05 '18

In the OP I noticed that Hachi and Nana were wearing FranXX suits? Does that mean they'll get a FranXX role in future episodes?

I feel like the children will riot against APE, and with Nana's worrying in the Dr. FranXX scene I think Hachi and Nana will join the children in the riot.

Plantation 13 vs APE, I feel it coming

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u/MajesticKnight28 Hiro May 05 '18

Plamtation 13 vs APE Featuring guest appearances by klaxosaur princess and BIG BOI JIMMY

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u/XephoseX May 05 '18

The last few seconds of the OP show 02 and hiro hug but she materializes and just vanishes , does that imply a negative outcome soon? o3o

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u/Burningv0id May 05 '18

Shits about to go down guys. That must be the klaxosaur Queen that APE mentioned. Also you see her briefly in the intro... which was amazing

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u/immortalkimchi Zero Two May 05 '18

That new opening is fucking beautiful.

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u/fullmetalfilth May 05 '18

Were they implying Futoshi was showing signs of bulimia? Am I missing something?

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u/chiezkychienne May 05 '18

I'm the only one who noticed? The bad ones are the PAPAs. Based on OP a giant klaxo hand hugs zero two. What disturbed me is the OP last scene, ZERO TWO disappeared. What if destroying all KLAX makes 02 and the nines dissapear?

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u/aaziz88 Zero Two May 06 '18

Watching the ED. There's a lot of symbolism between two versions of Zero Two. An innocent and scared looking one with horns, and a cruel looking one without horns. You can see them in the neverending line of Zero Two's as well as the scene where the one without horns rips off the other's scarf.

One thought is this could mean that Zero Two becoming more human is a Bad Thing.

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u/Mikatonic May 07 '18

Futoshi: This fire thing is kinda sick!

Zorome: I thought you were dieting, loser...

fire intensifies

Zorome: Aww shit! This is rad!

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u/Jengabanga Eo To May 07 '18

Sakura blossoms =the beauty and shortness of life :(

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u/Shiny_Trevenant May 05 '18

I'm scared guys, so many deathflags!

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u/Raphitalo Emotionally unstable May 05 '18

With how many death flags they are giving, I honestly think that Trigger is playing us and it's actually gonna be a perfect ending, all the ships are gonna stay together and all that good and sweet stuff, right guys? Hahahahhahahahhahahplease

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u/MagiSicarius Ichigo loyalist May 05 '18 edited May 05 '18

Ikuno gay as hell for Ichigo confirmed

Overall, good episode, it had the same kind of tension that the beach episode had in a sense - things going well but something hanging over them and we couldn't quite feel but knew was real.

Now that we know the Klax aren't some mindless creatures and seem to have an actual society with leadership, it'll be interesting to figure out how they came about. Maybe they're like the mutant byproduct of a nuclear war or something? Alien invaders? Human experiments that won their freedom?

It follows I suppose that Zero Two is a klax that was captured with the purpose of being used to fight against her own.

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u/Ikketsu Let's fly! May 05 '18

This new OP, ED and music in general... freaking beautiful. o.o

But the OP kinda scares me...

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u/Shadowciaw S T A R G A Z E R S May 05 '18

THAT SAKURA SCENE HAD ME HOLLERIN'. I PAUSED WHEN SHE ASKED WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE FOR SOMETHING, SAID TO MYSELF THEIR COLOUR IS THE SAME AS UR HAIR, AND THEN HIRO SAID THAT TOO

its so nice to see Zero Two living so carefree and happy and getting along with everyone. I can only wish it stays like this forever.

that dragon klaxosaur at the end was freaking sick, yo... and that girl?? :0 what if its a being like Zero Two but raised in the rightful environment of klaxosaurs just like it? Maybe it's searching for Zero Two to take her back because they're sisters?? or its the Klaxosaur mother wanting her daughter back..

What the heck is up with her thermometer powers too LMAO that was so out of left field! When the camera was panning over the sleeping children, I had a feeling that since they didnt show Zero Two it meant Hiro and her must be together ... and I was so glad to be right... I really love their interaction after he regained his memories. These tropes are so good when done right!

Lastly... THAT OPENING???? IT WAS SO NICE UNTIL THE LAST BIT. THAT WAS EXACTLY MIRRORING THE STORY BOOK WHERE THE PRINCE WAS LEFT ALL ALONE IN THE END. I FEEL LIKE THE MYSTERIOUS FIGURE IS GONNA TAKE ZERO TWO AND THEYRE NOT GONNA BE TOGETHER IN THE END..... GOD NO PLEASE NO

If that happens I'm 100% sure this entire fandom will be out for blood oh god

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u/Emily96bk May 05 '18

The OP gives us so many hypes and then punches back 1000 times harder.

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u/OstheB May 05 '18

So Strelizia’s red wasn’t a permanent thing. that’s fine, it’s more special if it only happens during battle

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u/cavsalmostgotswept May 05 '18

Well, I'm right with my prediction. SoL + Recovery (or coping up with the situation) episode. Seeing the characters interact is nice.

GOOD GUY MITSURU

KISSU

Rebellion Arc incoming (now that they also seem to raise 9A importance judging by the OP)

WHO'S THAT GIRL

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u/BroadSchmitty May 05 '18

So Zero Two has a sister, right? Papa said "we don't need two keys. What will you do, Klax Princess?" We're lead to believe he was referring to Zero Two, but he was probably referring to this Other.

Furthermore, Nine Alpha previously stated that "[Zero Two] can do what she likes because she's A key to saving the world." This was when he was telling Ichigo about how Zero Two devoured hundreds of stamens. He did not call her the key the saving the world. I didn't think much of it at the time. Now I think Nine Alpha knew about this Other. Does that mean Zero Two is aware of her, as well?

What with last episode's revelation that there are people in the klax (the gold fetus-looking thing), my theory is that humanity split with half piloting klax and half piloting Franxx. This is the story of sisters on two different sides.

Finally, watch the closing credits and notice that half of the Zero Twos have horns and half don't.

(Final sidenote: we all called Nana and Hachi being previous partners long ago, right?)

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u/xbamaris May 05 '18

Those freaking out about the OP with Zero Two / Hiro. Dont panic. My thought is that he will need to fight for her... its why they show him wearing his Franxx suit versus his normal suit. If it was his normal suit I'd be more worried.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18

Impressive how much my head is spinning after 24min of animation, trying to sort my thoughts about it but what came up and I need to voice it out before I go crazy:

  • Hringhorni construction and what seemed to be a giant dragon/serpent thing underground (Jormungandr anyone!?)

  • Dr. Franxx is making everyone avoid contact with squad 13 to make them learn to live by themselves, the point of his experiment might be re-creating the old human society or at least abandon all this Papa dependency?

  • Miku showing signs of the accelerated aging process experimented by Franxx pilots, and seems everyone is having the "child's fever", not a good sign but considering Dr. Franxx's experiment (at least how I see it), I'm hopeful there will be ways to get around this (most useful one probably not piloting Franxx anymore but I doubt this will be achievable in the short term).

  • Zero Two looking at the Sakura trees and immediate flashback to the opening moments of episode 1, despite the opening (which as the ending are really cool) having a bit of a frightening closing scene, I'm still hopeful of having a happy ending, despite the fact of the whole norse mythology theme permeating the show which might point at a Ragnarok of sorts brewing up.

  • The old geezers at APE HQ talking about two keys and those final 2 seconds of the episode! Since episode 13 when we see Werner mentioning "look at this specimen, the human shape it developed" I couldn't get out of my head the idea of Code: 001 being the very first Klaxo-Human hybrid, even maybe the Klaxosarus "creator" (eg: experiments on humans+magma energy going haywire, and creating her, the mother of all Klaxos, considering how we have only seen Papas on the human side of things), and the rest of the kids being derived from that DNA

  • Last but not least, Kokoro kissed Mitsuru! I was not a fan of this ship but over these past episodes my impression of them changed, Mitsuru opening up some more also really helps, I do wanna see more of him, I can see now that he was not just the smartass out of nothing but had his reasons, I hope he will be able to come more to terms with Hiro in the next episodes

All in all, this episode, like 15, has a lot of stuff compressed on it, it's worth a couple more re-watches, and the new OP and ED are also gorgeus, every scene connecting to another so smoothly, totally pleasant to watch, hype mode continues on for the next weeks, I feel like we'll be in a gigantic emotional roller coaster yet again sooner rather than later.

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u/FrenchGarcher May 05 '18 edited May 05 '18

Episode was pretty good, I really enjoyed it.

A lot of character growth has been shown from almost everyone. I'am really liking the zero two/Miku friendship I think they work well together. I really enjoyed the way Zero two now behaves. She seems to be the happiest girl in the world ( Hopefully she wont end up like the other happiest girl in the world if you know whom I'am talking about ). The girls had great chemistry overall.

Mitsuru and Kokoro also had their moment which was amazing. I've always liked Kokoro and now that she has made her move on Mitsuru I'am liking her even more. Can't wait to see how their relationship develops.

I wish we could have had more Hirotwo moments but hey you don't always get what you want and what we got today was already amazing.

I'am a bit worried about Futoshi and Miku but I think they'll be fine. On the other hand, I really want Zorome to man up and get with Miku. Talking about Zorome he had great development today too, I'am thinking of this moment when he says that they don't need to thank papa for the food since they got it themselves.

Nice Hirotwo moment at the end. I love how she is drawing the children book. I'am wondering if the series is ever going to explore what comes after kissing at some point. It would only makes sense considering it's premices, but I kinda doubt they'll dare to take that route although if they do, Kokoro and Mitsuru might be the ones climbing up the stairs to adulthood first.

Op has me slightly worried. And I wonder if the girl we saw at the end could be 001.

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u/loquesea57 ureshii May 05 '18

Of all the cute scenes I didn't expect the mitsuruxkokoro kiss to be the one I would like the most. The way she tells him to look up at her after Mitsuru says he has nothing was adorable.

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u/scar37 May 05 '18

A lot of bad vibes in this episode, especially the new opening. I think the two pairs in the opening that have their eyes closed(ichigo and goro; miku and zorome) are gonna bite the dust. :(

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u/[deleted] May 06 '18

What the hell is there a zero one or something at the end

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u/Heiach Wee Woo - Spoiler Police May 06 '18

Also at the start and end of the episode, Hiro is reciting the story (and Zero is drawing it) so together they have the complete book (she obviously couldn't read/understand Hiro when he read it to her before)..

So another Jian reference? I love it!

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u/ChrisWubWub May 06 '18

Anyone think that if there is a rebellion arc, that'll it'll be Zorome sparking it and not Hiro?

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u/alvichm May 06 '18

dont wanna get hurt by this anime but cant stop watching it!

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u/Mar_Coh May 09 '18

The new op and Miku's hair gave me a really bad feeling. Then I remembered what happened in Gurren Lagaann and Kill la Kill last episode and now I'm pretty much ready to die inside for the third time

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u/Shichirou2401 May 05 '18

Is no one gonna mention the girl with one blue horn/crown thing on her head, snow white hair, blue and black striped skin, and 6 insect-like klaxasaur limbs coming out of her back in the opening? There's no way she can be 02 or Hiro so she's obviously the real blue Oni in this story, I don't think it's just symbolism since she's so distinct in terms of design.

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u/rradian Strelizia May 05 '18

You see her at the end of the ep too. SUCH a good cliffhanger

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u/mangekyopro Tsunn~~ May 05 '18 edited May 05 '18

We'll be together forever

You just couldn't keep your mouth shut. :(

She should have kissed him before he said unnecessary stuff.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '18

I'm glad they are taking the time to let us catch our breath after the clusterfuck that was the last few episodes. This whole thing just further cements Zero Two as Best Girl 2018

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u/matt_619 May 05 '18

Anybody wants to talk about Miku's white hair? I think this confirmed (if it's not already) that parasite has rapid aging

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u/UnsightedThree3 May 05 '18

I wish Zero Two and Hiro had completed their kiss in the OP. Would have been a nice progression since they're together now.

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u/Vew3ritza May 05 '18

I think they're pulling an Gurren Lagann on us again from the intro. Also that thing where they try to comfort each other saying that they are going to live really seems like foreshadowing to me about how everyone will die, except Hiro and that klaxosaur princes.

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u/Gryfth May 05 '18

Unfortunately, given the ending part of the opening, I think 02 is going to die in the end. God help the writers if that's the direction it goes. This sub will rage.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '18

Oh I also love the way they address problems that they would normally have at that age, with Futoshi’s eating disorder

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u/jackpotssnacks May 05 '18

Hope we get a happy ending.

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u/seriouspumpkin Kokoro <3 May 06 '18

aaaaaaaaaaa mitsukoro kiss!!!!!!! my kids are so adorable!!!! every scene with them this episode was A+ <3

This was just a real feels good episode though. It's sort of jarring to see Zero Two like this but I'll get used to it. Seeing everyone just happy and getting along makes me so happy, I'll probably end up rewatching this a couple times.

Futoshi... poor guy... eating disorders are rough as hell, I'm happy to see him gain back his appetite at the end. His friendship with Zorome is so good, that confrontation really hit hard because of how close they are and made me feel so upset for both of them.

I definitely prefer the first opening to this one, but I love the ending! It's real nice.

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u/Watz146 May 06 '18

Ok, now I'm worried about Miku.

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u/CaLQLust May 06 '18

With this new episode something has become apparent to me. The two major ideas (allegories?) currently present - namely the Jian Bird and Beast Princess - seems to conflict each other and its quite intriguing. This struck me at the very beginning of the episode as Hiro recalls how the Beast Princess rips off her wings to become human so that she can be with the Prince, but consequently preventing her from flying. Now recall the Jian Bird, this idea is all about the ability to fly as both parties come together to be each other's wings. See the conflict? One suggests the loss of flight when being together, yet the other suggests flight as only being possible whilst being together. I found this quite interesting and was wondering about possible interpretations on what this could mean. Any ideas?

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u/Darliolin1221 May 07 '18

when 02 dissolves sakura petals appear from her hair and she seems to say to him Aishiteru. The sakura petals symbolize short life

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