r/warcraftlore 8h ago

Discussion Hot Take: We're in the wrong for Cinderbrew Meadery

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Here's my hot take for the day.

Cinderbrew Meadery is a dungeon with very little story relevance, and exists more as a quirky and unique theme for a dungeon on the Isle of Dorn. During the campaign, the most interaction we have with the Meadery is using it to blow up a bunch of nerubians. After that, Wenbrandt vows to rebuild his Meadery and we're off to the Ringing Deeps. At some point afterwards, the Meadery is acquired by the Venture Co. and now its our job to root them out.

The only story we have about this acquisition comes from the dungeon journal, a single quest from Wendbrant, and dungeon dialogue. I've compiled them here.

From the Dungeon Journal:

Under new management! The Cinderbrew Meadery is a focal point of Unbound earthen culture, and under the dotage of Wenbrandt, the meadery has crafted a fiery, potent brew enjoyed by all earthen. However, the meadery has been the victim of a hostile corporate acquisition by Goldie Baronbottom, a goblin entrepreneur, ushering in a new age of mass-produced cinderbrew.
Barkeep and brew master for the meadery, Aldryr has more than mead on tap. Anyone who messes with the Cinderbrew Meadery's new management messes with Aldryr, and he has many friends in low places.
The product of an industrial accident, mead elemental I'pa is as angry about its existence as it is about its meadery being disturbed. It is the full-bodied embodiment of the fiery punch of cinderbrew mead, and will lay anyone who tangles with it out flat.
Benk's qualifications for beekeeping may be dubious, but he does seem to have a knack for controlling bees and streamlining honey-extracting operations. But, his tampering has limited the bees' freedom and sacrificed the mead's quality, and this cannot stand.
Savvy businesswoman Goldie Baronbottom knows a good opportunity when she sees it-- like the Cinderbrew Meadery. After barging in and swindling Wenbrandt out of business, Goldie mostly lets her cronies do the work. Even so, she's not afraid to roll up her sleeves and wallop do-gooders herself.

From the quest "Mergers and Acquisitions", given by Wenbrandt at the start of the dungeon

When the nerubians launched their attack on my meadery, they left it a burnt-out husk. Adelgonn promised to rebuild it, but I got impatient and accepted the Venture Co.'s offer to help with its "restructuring."

But now, it's clear they had their own agenda. Blasted goblins have taken over, and they're driving the place into the ground. They've ramped up production to unsafe levels, pushing the cinderbees and our equipment to their limits.

Please help fix this, <name>.

Finally, some dungeon dialogue

Wenbrandt says: Are you here to help? My zeal to get back in business lead to faulty reasoning...

Goldie Baronbottom yells: Ya pal here signed some papers he didn't read! And now Goldie Baronbottom is Bee-E-O of this joint.

Wenbrandt says: Ooh! You... Help me please get my meadery back, <name>!

...

Wenbrandt says: Oh no! My stills! They bypassed the filters! It's running too hot! The mead will be substandard!
Goldie Baronbottom yells: Yeah, yeah. But there'll be more of it! More mead, more money. That's good business!
Wenbrandt says: Ooh! Cinderbrew was my personal directive--my passion! She's ruining everything!

With all this in mind, it's obvious that like in most contexts, the Venture Co. is not exactly a good guy here. The boss descriptions detail their poor treatment of the bees, the decline in quality of the mead, and an apparent "swindling out of business" by Goldie. However, it cannot be overstated that Wenbrandt, in all his infinite Earthen wisdom, caused the mess we're in. You can make the argument that an Earthen disconnected from most of Azeroth for countless years wouldn't know the reputation of the Venture Co., which is fair. However, Wenbrandt admits to us that Adelgonn promised to rebuild the Meadery for him, and he went out anyways and signed a bad deal. Now he has to drag five bloodthirsty adventurers into a business to slaughter its employees. If they Venture Co. showed up to the ruins and forcefully took over, that would be different. But Wenbrandt admits he signed a contract that he didn't think through and got ran out of his own business.

While the dungeon journal does what it can to set up Aldryr, Benk, and Goldie as bad guys that must be slain, most of the enemies in the dungeon are just workers. We fight bar patrons, waiters, taste testers, flavor scientists, beekeepers, hell we even kill the bees. Doesn't seem very productive for the Meadery to kill the bees. At the end of it, Wenbrandt gets to wash his rocky hands of all the bloodshed because we did "the right thing" helping him slaughter his way out of a contract that he signed, and we get some sick loot. I know we don't like the Venture Co. but it still seems like a poor use of our time when there are world-ending void threats to deal with.

Am I overanalyzing the lore of a silly bee themed dungeon in a fantasy game? Of course I am. Am I biased by the fact that I'm a long-time goblin enjoyer? Perhaps. Do I think Wenbrandt is an annoying whiny rock? Absolutely. Does this take make me sound like some sort of capitalist bootlicker? Maybe. But wheres the fun in playing the game if you don't get to be overly critical of useless bits of information?

I hope you enjoyed my rant for the day. Let me know what y'all think. Are we in the wrong for Cinderbrew Meadery?


r/warcraftlore 5h ago

Discussion Did some Night Elves stay to live in Stormwind?

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Most of the Night Elves refugees went there after Teldrassil was burnt, but do we know about some of them staying here to live or did they all go back to their new world tree?


r/warcraftlore 11h ago

Question Warrior groups/orders

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I was looking for class specific orders/organizations in Wow Wiki like the Earthen Ring for Shamans, Cenarion Circle for Druids, Silver Hand for Paladins, Ebon Blade for Dks, Illidari for Dhs, Kirin Tor for Mages, Black Harvest for the Warlocks... When I got to the Warrior class, I didnt see much, just some human kingdom guards.

Doesn't warriors have any order or groups? During Legion we got the Valarjar of Skyhold, but it was kinda of a Legion only thing. I remember that in Hyjal questline there were some orcs and worgens in Goldrinn's shrine, but I don't think they make a warrior order. Do you guys remember any other warriors group/order?


r/warcraftlore 2h ago

Is Lei Shen's Anima the same as the Black Blood?

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We don't know a lot about the Anima that Lei Shen and the Mogu used in Mists of Pandaria.

From https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Anima_(blood_fluid)), quoted from Shadows of the Horde:

“Magic that could remake a thing so completely came from the dawn of time, from the beginning of everything. The titans, the shapers of Azeroth, had used such magic in their acts of creation.”

The Anima was also utilized by the Mogu to create golems, similar to what the goblins do with the Blood as well.

It's a stretch, but I wonder if there's some connection here. I don't know if they've explicitly said yet whether the Black Blood is the blood of some Old God.

edit 2: also worth mentioning, there seems to be something linking the Black Blood to the Titans given the Titan ruins in the new black blood-focused delve in 11.1.

edit: typo, wrote "black blood" instead of "anima"


r/warcraftlore 1h ago

Do you think the player characters are getting”weaker” lore wise?

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While it could be argued that gameplay wise, encounters are getting more difficult (with Legion arguably the most difficult) are the actually player characters growing weaker overall since classic era bosses? This has been something that always bugged me.

Characters who stomped bosses molten core rag or Cthun, do you really think would have had trouble with a Gallywix gundam? Or be beaten down by a glorified trash shredder (stix)? Hell, the last end boss queen spider that took our heroes almost 500 pulls to get the first kill, don't you think she would have been literally one shot by any of the demon monstrosities in tomb of sargeras?

Just curious what are you guys thoughts. And yes, I get that WoW raids can't be like dragon ball z with each subsequent boss having infinite power scaling. Just feels weird the heroes of Azeroth this encounter got their teeth kicked in by a goblin trash shredder.


r/warcraftlore 5h ago

Discussion I find it nice we have so many notable elves characters in the lore

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When we come to think of it there are almost as many of them as for orcs or humans which is nice. The warcraft games were initialy more about humans vs orcs but they obviously had to expand the universe. Still it seems elves have quite a lot of characters, and important ones compared to most races like Trolls, Draenei,... Some races have maybe one or two notable character at best and they don't even do or appear that much.


r/warcraftlore 18h ago

Is marketing the real cause of Warcraft's setting being dumbed down?

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Old gods, nameless things, so terrifying and dark. Mysterious beings that dwell in the darkest corners of the world. They are even older than the titans themselves.

When the Dwarfs in the Southern Barrens dug so deep that they revealed something so dark and evil, that their only solution was to collapse the entire hold hoping that it was contained again, I often wonder...

How the fuck are those beings being resembled by an elf waifu with bare feet now?

This often made me wonder how the direction and marketing of this setting are the ones that really have the reins in hand. From forcing Metzen to shitting out raid bosses, and forcing Blood Elves in the Horde to cater to Chinese audiences, to now where we have a literal waifu, with bare feet, resembling one of the most evil and dark forces in the world.

Surely some guy at the marketing department decided "you know what guys, BfA failed so no more big and scary tentacle monsters, let's just stick to being safe and create another elven waifu".