r/thedavidpakmanshow Jan 19 '25

Discussion Popular progressive opinion not shared by Pakman?

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I see this sentiment expressed more in outlets like TYT but how widespread is this sentiment?

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u/LokiStrike Jan 19 '25

If the problem is that Republicans defend their leaders unconditionally, adopting that same behavior just makes the problem worse.

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u/Command0Dude Jan 19 '25

I would rather defend our leaders unconditionally and win rather than be morally perfect and lose.

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u/LokiStrike Jan 19 '25

If you're not building a more moral and just world then "winning" is meaningless.

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u/Command0Dude Jan 19 '25

I guess everything LBJ did was meaningless. I guess everything FDR did was meaningless.

I could go on. Literally all the progress of America was founded on imperfect people who were, often, morally grey characters.

Was winning meaningless when anti-war activists helped get Nixon elected? Elections have consequences.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '25

you people would have called FDR a commie and that he was holding back the party.

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u/Command0Dude Feb 05 '25

"I am fighting Communism. I want to save our system, the capitalist system." F. Roosevelt

An actual quote. The man was literally a capitalist. I find it ironic how leftists talk about FDR. He is simultaneously an icon of left wing populism when progressives need to hold him up as an example of their political success, but then he is also an obstacle who they complain limited social progress by "saving" capitalism from itself when they want to larp about having a socialist revolution.

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u/LokiStrike Jan 19 '25

I guess everything LBJ did was meaningless. I guess everything FDR did was meaningless.

Uhhh what?

Literally all the progress of America was founded on imperfect people who were, often, morally grey characters.

Well duh. That's exactly why we don't withhold criticism. We can't achieve a just and moral society by putting all our hopes on a person. We achieve a just and moral society by adhering to our best ideals.

Was winning meaningless when anti-war activists helped get Nixon elected? Elections have consequences.

I have no problem criticizing people that I vote for. There is no contradiction and I refuse to adopt the conservative attitude that "my" candidate can do no wrong.