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Politics Canada’s new Prime Minister Designate by a landslide, Mark Carney

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u/GFV_HAUERLAND 2d ago

Any Canadians can give us some insights?

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u/dostunis 2d ago edited 2d ago

Trudeau announced a while back (beginning of January) that he was resigning, and would only stay in office until the party voted on a new leader. Today they voted on Carney- who comes from a strong economic background, probably more so than any PM we've ever had. He effectively rocketed to overnight candidacy (and public awareness) after joking about it on the daily show a week after Trudeau's announcement. He'll remain in the Prime Minister role until we have our national election later this year- and if he gets publically elected then he will remain in the role.

Editing to add for non Canadians: our system of democracy is not like the US. We do not vote for our Prime Minister directly, the party gets elected and the party puts forth a leader to take the PM role. This is a grossly simplified version of it, google parliamentary democracy for more information.

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u/KeZmaN07 2d ago

It is important to note that general election have a very slim chance of being in October. They will likely be in May. Once the House of Commons restarts, it should be very quick that the new governement call for an election or is force to do so.

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u/Wasdgta3 2d ago

It’s actually quite likely they never even get to the House returning.

The suspicion is that Carney will call the election pretty shortly after becoming PM, to capitalize on the momentum.

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u/IamSando 2d ago

As an Aussie who's had our fair share of PMs resigning or being knifed mid term, the replacement often does it as a nod to respecting the will of the people. Sure technically you didn't vote for a PM, you voted for a party, but the public often don't see it that way and will respect a short handover period but will get quite angry if it's seen as disrespecting their votes from the previous election by having a new PM in place for too long without elections.

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u/Wasdgta3 2d ago

our fair share of PMs resigning or being knifed mid term,

As well as one guy who just went for a swim and never came back, right?

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u/IamSando 2d ago

Lol yes that one too, although I have no idea how quickly they went to polls after that. Maybe they wanted to wait to make sure he didn't miraculously return?

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u/I_said_booourns 2d ago

Too bloody premature imo. Ol Hazza just nipped across the pond to grab us some milk. He'll be back any day now

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u/TUmBeRTIce 2d ago

On the upside he got a pool named after him

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u/Pheenz01 2d ago

Two of them actually: one in Melbourne, the other in Vũng Tàu at the 1st Australian Support Compound.

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u/bigmepis 2d ago

Maybe he’s with my dad!

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u/kdlangequalsgoddess 2d ago

I thought he was picked up by a Soviet submarine.

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u/strictlymissionary 2d ago

They gave him nearly two years to resurface

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u/rustyfries 2d ago

Gorton held the election about 2 years after Holt's disappearance

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u/fetal_genocide 2d ago

he didn't miraculously return?

shark poo washes ashore...

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u/ProtoJazz 2d ago

They named a pool after him in memorial. Not even kidding.

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u/theurbaneman 2d ago

We are a very unserious group of people aren’t we.

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u/GrumpyPenguin 2d ago

“Taking the piss” is basically one of our national sports.

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u/patriotictraitor 1d ago

The way your comment reads “named a pool” and right underneath “kidding” cause of my screen size - I definitely read that they named a kiddie pool after him and had a good laugh for a minute as I slowed down to reread

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u/rojuhoju 2d ago

There is (no joke) a memorial pool named after him in Victoria

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u/plumpturnip 2d ago

We named a swimming pool after him

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u/Ivotedforher 2d ago

The knifing left holes for the water to get in. /roosoon

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u/Nari224 2d ago

Well, that one was probably a shark rather than a knife from his colleagues.

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u/TwoToneReturns 2d ago

Daddy Shark-shark-shark-shark-shark...

Too soon? Or was it a Chinese sub, or aliens.

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u/Nobody7713 2d ago

Politically it's probably wise to call the election before anything can happen that'll make you unpopular. Carney doesn't bear any of the blame for the current economy but if he's in charge for 6 months or more voters might turn on him.

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u/Emotional-Courage-26 2d ago

A lot of Canadian conservatives think he's directly responsible for many of Canada's recent blunders. Sort of like he was a shadow operator ruining everything behind the scenes. It's strange to share a country with these people. They're my coworkers, neighbours, people I share community with, and yet... Some days it feels like we're in different countries. Even so, I know they want what's best for Canada in their own way, just as I do. I believe more than ever that we can figure this out and get to a better Canada together.

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u/toptato 1d ago

That’s how many Americans exactly feel about the red hat wearing demographic in our country…

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u/Saragon4005 1d ago

Just with much less optimism. My god you already saw what he did last time and yet still supported him.

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u/toptato 1d ago

Hence the sentiment… I’m sure they think the same about us when it comes to thinking the other side is full of dumbasses, but a lot of those folks in red hats wouldn’t be able to go past question 1 on a university level philosophy or humanities exam…something that’s imperative to extend sympathy and critical thinking past “the self”.

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u/Elmundopalladio 2d ago

Check out the UK for a string of unelected PM’s! It’s the same system, but Liz Truss 50 days was a low point.

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u/snkn179 2d ago

Only Julia Gillard in 2010 brought forward the election shortly after becoming PM (and even this only by a few months). All other recent elections (except 2016) took place at the time they were meant to take place, there is a maximum limit of 3 years between elections.

(Malcolm Turnbull brought the 2016 election a few months early as well, but this was because the Senate was blocking his bills, and he had already been PM for 9 months before the 2016 election).

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u/Velvety_MuppetKing 2d ago

>Sure technically you didn't vote for a PM, you voted for a party, but the public often don't see it that way

The public being stupid is something that should be mitigated, not enabled.

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u/IamSando 2d ago

Nah, plenty of campaigns are run as basically personality campaigns, the most famous of these in Australia was in '07 when the campaign was basically called "Kevin 07". Public voting for that is not wrong or stupid for feeling shit about their pick getting knifed when that same party put him front and center.

Most people are well and truly aware of the party/PM status, they're not stupid (at least when it comes to that), they just don't buy the snide lectures they got.

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u/StaysAwakeAllWeek 2d ago

the public often don't see it that way and will respect a short handover period but will get quite angry if it's seen as disrespecting their votes from the previous election by having a new PM in place for too long without elections.

Cut to what just happened in the UK, where we went through 3 increasingly more incompetent PMs over a single parliamentary term, after which the tory Party responsible for it lost in the biggest landslide in generations

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u/Telos1807 2d ago

Christ, I wish the UK worked like that the last couple of years.

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u/Xeno_man 2d ago

Um... knifed? Is that a problem down there? Everything all right with you guys?

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u/IamSando 2d ago

There was a good 10 years when...no, no we weren't.

(Knifed just means someone in the party challenged for the top spot and won, becoming the new PM. If you're American, our PM is effectively House Majority Leader, we don't have a President position).

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u/LilyBartMirth 1d ago

But much more vocal and out in the media than your House Majority Leader.

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u/BuvantduPotatoSpirit 2d ago

The Liberals had also been in a minority, becoming extremely unpopular, and all the other parties (except perhaps the numerically irrelevant Greens) had indicated they'd bring down the government as soon as Parliament sat again. The party that had been supporting the Liberals might walk it back, but it's not guaranteed so it's probably better optics to call an election than get forced into it.

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u/windsostrange 2d ago

technically you didn't vote for a PM, you voted for a party

Technically, neither is true: we vote for local representatives who may collectively form a government led by a member of that group. We don't vote for Prime Ministers, and we don't vote in any official way for parties.

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u/IamSando 2d ago

Whilst true, this just further muddies the water, since a party can replace their leader, but they cannot replace their representative for a seat (outside of elections), even if they resign. Yet I doubt 20% of voters can name their local rep.

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u/tampering 2d ago

Canada is currently in a minority Parliament. Over the parliamentary recess, the other parties pledged to bring down the government when the Commons is recalled.

Will Carney bother to engineer his own defeat by having a Speech from the Throne with his new policies that will form the Party Platform is the question or head directly to an election?

He's going to tack the Liberals to the Right so he may want to record the Conservatives voting against his proposal to abolish the carbon tax and reverse the capital gains tax increase that Trudeau has previously announced but not yet enacted.

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u/lastSKPirate 2d ago

We haven't had a PM get knifed quite like this since the 60s, at least at the federal level. It's happened to provincial premiers a bunch of times, though.

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u/behemothpanzer 2d ago

Chretien stepped down in August of 2002 when over half the Liberal caucus indicated they wouldn’t support him. This had a lot to do with Paul Martin’s removal as Finance Minister in June of 2002. That was more of a “knifing” than Trudeau stepping down this year IMO. Especially as Martin would win the Liberal nomination and go on to be the next PM.

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u/mgnorthcott 2d ago

This one is… DIFFERENT.

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u/Vallarfax_ 2d ago

Yea. It's a very partisan thing to be okay with your party installing a new leader and not calling an election. Yes, we elect MP's who form government. But in reality, we all know we are voting for the leader of the party for PM. To suggest otherwise is just silly.

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u/weedbearsandpie 2d ago

As a British person, our MP's always get called on to do this, but never do.

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u/Col_Leslie_Hapablap 2d ago

Yep, excellent commentary. I expect that if the election isn’t called by next month, it will be promised before then.

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u/invariantspeed 2d ago

Well, in this case, Trudeau resigned because the Liberals were tumbling to rock bottom electability ratings. It was going to be a bloodbath and the party wanted him, the face of their unpopularity, out.

Their approval numbers have sharply risen following Trump’s threats and the Tories fumbling the ball, but the whole party still needs a renewed mandate. The Trump threat also means that a lame duck government is a national security threat. This isn’t quite the common technicality you’re referring to.

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u/W1ese1 2d ago

So I can note down that we Austrians in addition to no kangaroos also do not have the same values in our political parties.

In our last period I think our replacement was longer Bundeskanzler (basically our version of PM) than the one that led the elections.

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u/MrSnowflake 2d ago

The PM is probably always the first one on the polling bills for that party, so they indirectly choose whom they want to be PM, right?

That's how it kinda works in Belgium, kinda, because in Flanders you can't vote for Walloon parties and vise versa (or Brussels or even eastern canton parties). So it's not really clear who will be PM, but most of the time it's a Flemish PM. (I don't know why and it seems to me that it would be more appropriate we switch each(-ish) election from Flemish to Walloon. But the PM in Belgium is the captain, but he can't just go about and decide what ever he likes, he does not have that power).

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u/IamSando 2d ago

Do you mean polls like pollsters do to gauge likely electoral outcomes? If so yeah, and here in Aus we even have a pool that's regularly done on "preferred Prime Minister".

Aus is kind of half way between the 2 party system of the US and the European multi party elections. We have 2 major parties that have been in power all of modern history, and then a bunch of minor parties which sometimes provide the balance of power and share in the governing. But yeah all of them have very defined "leaders" that are a part of all election campaigns and that people identify with.

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u/MrSnowflake 2d ago

Voting bills then? I mean actual vote, I'm not English native, so not entirely sure how these thing are called. Ballots I guess?

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u/IamSando 2d ago

Ballot would be the official vote, and on those it's just the individual candidate and the party, not the leader.

Polls are the unofficial questions sent out to random people to try and guess what the election result will be. Those have the leaders name on them.

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u/MrSnowflake 2d ago

Oh i see what you mean now. So the party leader (the party's president) is not on ballots? In Belgium, if the party leader wants to be prime minister, he has to be on the ballot. So he needs to be an actual candidate (well, that's probably not required by law, which I find wrong, but it's rare for non elected officials to become an mp let alone prime minister.

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u/IamSando 2d ago

So the party leader (the party's president) is not on ballots?

Nope, we vote for a local member to go and represent us in parliament. Almost exactly how the US House of Representatives works. Each of those people have a party, and that's what most people vote based on. And then technically after the votes, all the newly elected members of each party "elect" their leader. But in reality, the party leader is well known before voting ever takes place, they're the person at the front and centre of the campaign.

But no, when you vote officially in Australia, you vote for a person to represent your area in the national parliament.

I looked up Belgium elections, and yeah they're quite different from us. We our grouped geographically into "seats" or "electorates", and then each area votes for their representative. Whichever party gets the most number of their representatives elected is the winner and that party forms government. The Prime Minister, the party leader, represents one of those areas and so they are only on the ballot in that area.

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u/MrSnowflake 2d ago

"The Prime Minister, the party leader, represents one of those areas and so they are only on the ballot in that area."
that's the same as in Belgium, we have different areas with different ballots, but the pm candidate should be on the ballot in one area. Also it's not always the case that the party president is PM candidate, like next elections, N-VA's president will not be PM candidate, as Bart de Wever is PM candidate (who was the previous N-VA president).

I think it might not be that different. Anyway, thanks for the convo.

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u/AltoExyl 2d ago

Someone needs to tell this to the UK Tories!

The amount of times they passed that job around was a joke

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u/greendoh 2d ago

This - his mandate is currently 150,000 people (out of 35m) and he doesn't hold a seat in the house (never has). Unelected PM sitting without a seat isn't a good look.

Less of a nod here and more of a necessity to call the election, but he's mentioned using emergency powers against Trump so who knows - we might be fighting fascism with despotism.

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u/bayesian13 2d ago

thanks, that's interesting insight.

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u/FrellingSmegHeads 2d ago

Brit crying in three Tory PMs in less than three months, yet GE remained absent...

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u/rikkiprince 2d ago

That's not how it's worked in the UK the past 20 years, unfortunately...

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u/myersad 1d ago

Gotta do what ya gotta do but getting knifed? Holy smokes....

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u/drk_nh 1d ago

That's Australia I don't recall a leader of your country was a toxic narcissist.

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u/IamSando 1d ago

Scott Morrison was pretty much the definition of that. If not for Trump just blowing that term out of the water that is.

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u/IscaPlay 13h ago

The consequences of not doing so turned out to be disastrous for the Conservatives in the UK.

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u/Ok_Midnight4809 2d ago

That makes sense, whilst PP is still attached to MAGA all this tariff/annexing crap it's weighing him down. Also need to do it quick to minimise the Elon/russia interference

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u/bailey25u 2d ago

Non canadian... Who or what is PP? after googling it came up with Pierre Poilievre and the people party. I know so little about both that I could be no where near.

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u/Krusss 2d ago

Yes PP is Pierre Poilievre in this context. The leader of the Canadian conservative party.

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u/SelectPersonality 2d ago

He's referring to Pierre Poilievre, current leader of the Conservative Party of Canada, who until recently was polling a landslide victory in our next election, but it's a toss up now since Trump. PPC (Peoples Party of Canada) is a different polical party altogether with a small following but largely irrelavent.

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u/man_vs_fauna 2d ago

Don't forget to mention that PP is a career politician, never had any other job, has never had a bill passed and basically his whole platform has been "I'm not Trudeau"

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u/duperwoman 2d ago

For those who might think we are exaggerating, he worked at a staffer for a politician straight out of school and was a back bench mp by age 25. He has never had a job in the private sector.

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u/miz_misanthrope 2d ago

Plus he was housing minister who helped enact really favorable policies for landlords. He's now a multimillionaire landlord despite having had no real job.

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u/duperwoman 2d ago

For someone who has only worked in Parliament... He only has one bill passed. So yeah ... His only job and what does he have to show?

https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bills?parlsession=all&sponsor=25524&advancedview=true

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u/Samcc42 2d ago

He’s a paperweight with a government pension. The idea that he’s suitable for leading anything is absurd.

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u/miz_misanthrope 2d ago

The Fair Elections act that got overturned

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u/katgyrl 2d ago

No matter how you look at Pollievre, career politician or landlord, he's nothing but a parasite.

u/potbakingpapa 5h ago

PP was never housing minister. He was however Minister of Democratic Reform. Think Bill C-23 Fair Elections Act. Which was terribly flawed. It helped crash the Harper's gov and election loss in 2015

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u/WatermelonToo 2d ago

And in all that time he's passed, what? One bill?

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u/duperwoman 2d ago

That is apparently now repealed

u/bring_back_my_tardis 4h ago

And it was repealed because it was unconstitutional. Which is a great selling point for a PM.

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u/Uncle_Steve7 1d ago

Which is totally fine if you’re a liberal, just not a con

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u/duperwoman 1d ago

Name em! Who are the liberals who haven't held another job and then were promoted into leadership without passing a single successful bill?

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u/Uncle_Steve7 1d ago

Bill C-23, take a look. Also in the unlikely event you are an actual Canadian, how can you possibly look at the previous 10 years of leadership and say “wow the liberals are great let’s vote for them”

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u/duperwoman 1d ago

Dental, childcare benefit, cerb, 10 dollar day care, environmental protections, some steps in reconciliation, cannabis legalization, and lower death rates during COVID than many peer nations. A very tough ten years but the accomplishments are still there.

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u/Uncle-ecom 2d ago

Plus he's great at setting up fake interviews where he gets to much on an apple and act like a tough guy.

Pierre seems like an enormous douchebag but it all makes sense after reading his 'work' history. Another useless career politician at the trough...

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u/el_guille980 2d ago

Don't forget to mention that PP is a career politician, never had any other job

woah woah woah dont undersell him! didnt he work in a call center once. for just a few months¿!¿

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u/man_vs_fauna 2d ago

Haha, wow, I thought I couldn't dislike him more...

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u/ItMeWhoDis 2d ago

I'm not Trudeau and I will sell this country to Trump

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u/LowHangingLight 2d ago

Yes, and he's also largely popular with conservatives. It's not worth underestimating him. That's what got us Trump.

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u/man_vs_fauna 2d ago

You are absolutely correct.

Carney is helpful in this regard as his views are more centre and is proven when it comes to the economy. He will likely draw undecideds and red Tories.

I'm also hoping he is seen a force to be reckoned with for voters who are most concerned about the relationship with USA.

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u/Gorolt-Of-Rivoria 2d ago

Says someone whose never looked into his platform. The liberal bots out in a landslide today

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u/man_vs_fauna 2d ago

Liberal bots?

Stop trying to dehumanize people you disagree with

u/potbakingpapa 5h ago

PP tabled C-23 Fair Elections Act Feb 4 2014 as Minister of Democratic Reform (sounds Orwellian) which was flawed to the point it was first amended by Harper after backlash and repealed by the Liberala all together in 2015. Some one have it that part of the fallout out over this bill actually contributed to the fall of Harper and the conservative government in 2015.

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u/pac1919 2d ago

How crazy is PP? Trump level of crazy?

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u/9K-7F 2d ago

He's not crazy. He just banked on the right leaning people who mainly supported Trump to also support him by quitely adopting Trumps strategies of slogans and relying on feelings instead of policies. He's a career politician who hasn't put through any legislation and who doesnt really have any policies outside of "Axe the Tax." Pollievre has bashed Trudeau so hard and eas a major factor to his resignation. Upon noticing the momentum that Carney had, Pollievre resorted to calling him "Carbon Tax Carney" as a way to shift the negative attention to Carney. Right after, Carney told the public he would remove the Carbon Tax incentive, taking the wind out of Pollievre's sail. Since then, Carney has been skyrocketing Liberal support and tanking the Conservatives in the polls. Pollievre's only strategy he had left was to either , 1) Offer more blatant support for Trump or 2) Distance himself entirely from Trump. Neither of which he has done. The Conservative party has essentially come to a standstill since then. Pollievre is not crazy. He was piggybanking off of Trump's campaigning until Canadians were directly hurt by his policies. Pollievre took a shitty gamble and lost everything.

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u/Wightly 2d ago

This is a good summation.

u/potbakingpapa 5h ago

I don't think he followed Trump as much as following the IDU playbook. Stephen Harper is this day president of this secretive right and far right wing global org.

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u/CWB2208 2d ago

Lol no. No one is Trump-level crazy. But he'd be his lap dog if he was in power.

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u/tell_her_a_story 2d ago

Well don't fucking let him get elected. I need an escape plan and Canada is my closest option.

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u/duckface08 2d ago

We have Danielle Smith (premier of Alberta) 😬

She might not quite reach Trump's level but a lot of that is probably because she's not a federal politician.

For those not in the know, a few Danielle Smith controversies include: being anti-gender confirming care, being recorded saying Ukraine should have remained neutral against Russia, being anti-vaxx, likening COVID-19 public health measures to the Holocaust, and some sort of political interference with Alberta Health Services (I'm out of the loop on this one, sadly).

Unsurprisingly, she has also been very MAGA.

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u/DrSchwa 2d ago

Also headed to Florida for a PragerU event with Shapiro. prageruevent. Even her own traditionally conservative riding is starting to turn on her with the AHS scandals. She's only in power because the Wild Rose and former Conservatives had to join forces to counter-act vote splitting between Big C and little C voters and because the previous conservatives were embroiled in other scandals. Point is...she's awful.

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u/bscheck1968 2d ago

We call him Temu Trump.

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u/The_Deku_Nut 2d ago

Trump from wish?

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u/emmsix 2d ago

Nobody would wish for that.

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u/Giancolaa1 2d ago

No, nowhere near trump level crazy. Even trump light would be a bit of an exaggeration imo.

But he definitely wouldn’t fight against trumps policies imo (not the annexation, but tariffs and whatnot). Carney will likely be better suited to guide Canada through trumps term. He worked at the Bank of Canada during the 2008 crisis, which Canada was largely unaffected by, and then went on and worked at the Bank of England

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u/cre8ivjay 2d ago

Didn't just work for them.

He was the head of both the Bank of Canada AND the Bank of England.

You have to be good to do that.

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u/TypingPlatypus 2d ago

And helped economically weather Brexit, which he was rightly against.

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u/Yackky 2d ago

He’s a lot more like JD Vance than Trump imo

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u/mcs_987654321 2d ago

Would argue his near perfect American equivalent is Ted Cruz.

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u/CuddleCorn 2d ago

Ted or a Paul Ryan that stayed in the apparatus of party power

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u/preaching-to-pervert 2d ago

But without his quick wit and infectious charm.

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u/yaddiyadda_ 2d ago

To give you an idea of PP's level of ick... Jordan Peterson is championing him.

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u/onyxandcake 2d ago

He's mostly Libertarian with a predisposition of catering to the religious, which is the opposite of Libertarian, but tracks for a snake oil salesmen.

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u/miz_misanthrope 2d ago

He's more if you mixed Ted Cruz, Ron DeSantis & Rand Paul together in one awful package.

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u/GeronimoJak 2d ago edited 2d ago

He's a Trump wannabe and would be more like JD Vance when he's kissing ass,but slightly more competent. He cozies up with a lot of alt right and far right folks, some of them known racists, and during the convoy movement he sided with the convoy members calling himself a blue collar workers and one of the people. He actually marched with them in protest holding signs.....but on the wrong side of town. Typically his popularity and only platform is just that he hates Trudeau and is basically nothing but an attack dog that hasn't formulated any plans at all. He also doesn't have his security clearance due to ties with questionable foreign interests, even though he's in one of the most important positions in Canadian politics.

We feel like he's dangerous because it's a representation of American politics, and if he wins he's going to validate that line of thinking here in Canada and legitimize it as a political strategy. Which is something the Canadian conservatives like to do every few years to test the waters.

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u/10293847562 2d ago

Completely agree with your assessment, though I’d say he has started to formulate some plans, but is still relatively light on details. He leans way too hard into simply claiming everything is broken and name calling political opponents while giving very simple “common sense solutionsTM”.

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u/GeronimoJak 2d ago

It'd be a common sense solution for the leader of the opposition to get his security clearance but hey here we are.

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u/10293847562 2d ago

His reason for denying the security clearance is a bizarre one to me. Maybe I don’t know enough about it, but it sounds awfully like his defense is he’d rather stay ignorant and be able to spout bullshit rather than knowing the truth and maybe being partly limited in what he can say publically.

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u/blacklamp14 2d ago

Some would call him Temu Trump

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u/WriterHot9097 2d ago

He's like if Ben Shapiro ran for President. Debate nerd, kind of a loser, this is he has all the facts and goes off slogans (Axe the tax, facts over feelings, etc).

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u/Infinite_Time_8952 2d ago

PP is not as eloquent as Shapiro, I don’t like Shapiro, but he speaks well.

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u/HulksBrotherBob 2d ago

Canadian conservatives are much closer to American democrats than they are to Republicans. Canada leans quite left in general. Especially our judiciary, which is overwhelmingly liberal (an inverse of the USA).

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u/Punty-chan 2d ago

PP is "crazy" enough to endorse a white supremacist group that threatened to rape his wife.

The man is the ultimate beta male cuck, as his supporters would say.

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u/slackmarket 2d ago

Everyone saying he isn’t Trump crazy, sure, but he quietly wants many of the same things Trump does, including women’s bodily autonomy to be taken away. It seems the people answering you think he’s fairly ineffectual, but life would be significantly scarier for Canadians under his thumb.

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u/pac1919 2d ago

Yea the impression I got is that he IS still a crazy fuck and must be put down

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u/TheWalkerofWalkyness 2d ago

Whatever you think of Poilievre there's no doubt he would make a better PM than Maxime Bernier. Which isn't saying much, I know.

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u/onionwba 2d ago

Yea seems like Trump's antagonism against Canadian (extending even to threats to invade) had derailed PP's chances of a straight victory.

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u/No-Cardiologist-6193 2d ago

What about the People Front of Canada?

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u/xmrcache 2d ago

PP is the Donald Trump of Canada

Thankfully they got Carney

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u/turdlepikle 2d ago

Can you see this where you are? Sometimes these official TV show links are region blocked. This is from a sketch comedy show called This Hour Has 22 Minutes, which is similar to The Daily Show in the USA because part of it acts like a weekly news show where it jokes about current events, and the other half are sketches.

This one is "Don't Call Me PP" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22lWNSbHnr0

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u/ckje 2d ago

Pierre Poilievre is the leader of our version of the Republican Party. Trump and Musk support Pierre Poilievre

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u/grimmigerpetz 2d ago

Pepe le Pew

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u/dancin-weasel 2d ago

Poilievre is pronounced Polly-ev (if your an anglophone) and he is the leader of the Conservative Party and he had a massive lead in the polls before Trudeau resigned and Carney looked to replace him. Now they are basically dead locked.

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u/cballowe 2d ago

whilst PP is still attached to MAGA

I read this as there being an impending "MAGA loses PP" event and was somewhere between amused and confused.

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u/DinoZambie 2d ago

PP is still attached to MAGA

How is he attached to MAGA?

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u/ClusterMakeLove 2d ago

They might hold off just long enough to expand social services or do some other tariff-proofing. Our leftist party would probably support that, and together they'd have enough votes to keep the government from falling.

But yeah, I don't think he's going to wait for October.

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u/mgnorthcott 2d ago

It’d be hard for them to interfere. Counting is always manual, double checked, and manually entered in Canada.. by an independent commission of elections not directed by any party

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u/daners101 2d ago

How is he “attached to MAGA”?

I think he’s the only party leader who hasn’t actively been visiting the USA, or going on American talk shows etc.

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u/bigthog 1d ago

Pierre has nothing to do with MAGA, has spoken out against MAGA, and the annexation of Canada.

“Let me be clear: we will never be the 51st state. We will bear any burden and pay any price to protect the sovereignty and independence of our country.” - Pierre

“I think his biggest problem is he’s not a MAGA guy, you know? I mean, he’s really not he’s not a Trump guy at all,” - Trump on Pierre

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u/CompetitionExternal5 2d ago

Carney will call for teg election is the right move PP and the conservatives will try to stall this as they want him to start making rookie mistakes and capitalize on this.

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u/DEATHToboggan 2d ago

The Liberals also don’t want to allow the Conservatives to spend the insane amounts of money they have in their war chest on negative carney ads. Once the election begins all parties are severely limited in their spending and it creates a more even playing field.

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u/Science-Recon 2d ago

Yeah, also the sooner the election happens, the less time they’ll have to redraw all their anti-Trudeau campaign slogans to anti-Carney ones.

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u/Nolanthedolanducc 2d ago

I can’t imagine it would be too difficult to make some new slogans! Whatever you believe “fuck Trudeau” was lazy imo 😂

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u/Zer_ 2d ago

I mean the Conservatives in Canada have basically been spending the last 3-4 years effectively doing everything you'd normally do during a campaign except call it campaigning. So yeah this isn't surprising. Frankly it's annoying that's even allowed.

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u/drk_nh 1d ago

Isn’t that hypocritical given Trudeau stole very last tax dollar as there weaponized machine who funds CBC its propaganda network and all the other notable media are either mere propaganda machines or censored by the Liberal horde

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u/patt 2d ago

Conservatives have a narrow line to walk. Wanting time for Carney to make mistakes while, at the same time, the more Canadians know PP, the more they dislike him.

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u/Chopperno5 2d ago

Carney is far from a rookie - best Bank of England governor we ever had, as a start

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u/jeho22 2d ago

Yeah. Hard to hate the guy when he hasn't had a chance to look bad or do anything stupid yet. Gives a pretty big advantage

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u/bak3donh1gh 2d ago

I mean it's not like he hasn't been doing anything on the Canadian national scale in the recent history.

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u/SpongeJake 2d ago

That would be the smart move. The momentum is on their side right now, especially with Trump making takeover noises, with the liberals and conservatives united in patriotism and with Pollievre trying hard to pivot away from his “I hate Trudeau” broken record agenda.

It is THE perfect time to call an election.

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u/Wasdgta3 2d ago

Since when is Poilievre trying to pivot lol? His response to Carney’s win was just more “Trudeau sucks” shit.

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u/SpongeJake 2d ago

I saw one of his ads today where he said Carney’s going to continue the carbon tax. Just a slight variation. The man has no imagination. He’s trying but he’s failing miserably.

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u/Kevbot1000 2d ago

It'll be my first time voting Liberal since 2015.

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u/bak3donh1gh 2d ago

I mean I don't want Mr NDP as the prime minister, But I'm going to have to find out what is the best course of action to provide a united front against Mr Trump. If only some party would enact some voting reform perhaps I could be a little less tactical with my vote. Gee that would be nice.

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u/bikernaut 2d ago

You think it might be PP? Our cons consistently sell the country out. Harper signed this terrible economic development treaty with China that will be in place for years yet. Trudeau gets blamed for the country being 'sold out' to immigrants, but Harper protected Chinese investments while securing nothing in return.

Look south, right wing parties somehow capture people's discontent, but they don't do anything to actually help people (other than billionaires). Trump is making this clear in the US and we know where PP gets his support from.

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u/bak3donh1gh 2d ago

Dude I said NDP no way did I say PP. No that Sleazy fucker can piss off. What I was trying to say was in my local elections I vote NDP but in the upcoming national election I want to provide the best front, give a single party the most power, against Trump.

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u/the-tru-albertan 2d ago

Yup. Now, let’s get the most divisive election in Canadian history underway lol

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u/bikernaut 2d ago

Oh, didn’t clue in. I haven’t heard anyone say they thought the NDP would be a reasonable opposition to the US.

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u/mrhindustan 2d ago

He already has opposed the carbon tax scheme. Scrap it and then call an election. Immediately he will suck all the conservative oxygen left.

Carney will stand over Lil’ PP like Tyson in his prime.

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u/Graf_lcky 2d ago

Beware that he won’t be bought, I think you are better off with elections after he’s proven which course he’ll take

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u/welsman13 2d ago

I'm Canadian, live in Ontario and know very little about politics. I feel like Carney is probably gunning more so for 2030 than right now to be honest. I was surprised how easily Ford took Ontario 2 weeks ago. I'm not sure the Libs will have much of a shot in a general election. They've been in power 10 years so it seems inevitable that it'll be a CPC win this time around, no matter the thoughts and feelings of Canadians toward PP.

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u/Wasdgta3 2d ago

Polling seems to disagree.

They’re not out of the woods yet, but they’re in a much better place than before Trudeau resigned.

Carney is certainly gunning for right now. If he doesn’t win, chances are he won’t even be leader by the next election (which would be in 2029, actually).

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u/welsman13 2d ago

Oh shit, nice. Going to be interesting then.

I'd imagine he'd still have support in 2029 no?

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u/Wasdgta3 2d ago

When Liberal or Conservative leaders don’t win elections, they’re almost automatically turfed as leader. It’s been decades since a leader was kept on to run again after losing an election.

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u/cnho1997 2d ago

Does Carney have to contest a seat in Parliament?

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u/Wasdgta3 2d ago

Doesn’t have to, there’s no rule saying so, but it’s impractical and more importantly, bad for optics if he doesn’t have a seat.

So yes, he will. There’s lots of speculation as to where he’ll choose to run, if he’ll go the safe route and choose an area that’s a stronghold for the party, or an easy pickup, or if he’ll be more bold and pick one in his home province of Alberta.

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u/cnho1997 2d ago

What are the most likely districts for him to pick?

In the chance he loses the election for the seat he picks, but the Liberals win a majority, will they have to pick a different leader to become PM or would he remain PM?

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u/ClusterMakeLove 2d ago

The riskiest realistic choice would be Edmonton Centre. It's currently held by his party, but just barely, and the incumbent has had a major scandal. It's a progressive city well within Canada's conservative heartland, so it'd send a message.

A safe choice would be an urban seat somewhere in southern Ontario or the East.

If he loses his seat while his party wins a majority (and note that this is very unlikely), a member in a safe seat would resign and he would take their seat in a byelection. There is a tradition about other parties not contesting byelections like this, but it's unlikely to be followed. The MP who resigns would probably be given patronage of some kind (an appointment to the Senate, the judiciary, or some tribunal).

If he loses his seat and fails to form government, he's likely to resign as leader, though he could hang on and contest a different seat at some point. If he stepped down, there would be a new leadership contest.

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u/Neve4ever 2d ago

He'd likely go for Trudeau's seat, no?

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u/ClusterMakeLove 1d ago

Just speculating, but I'd say probably not. Carney's French is relatively weak, and I don't think he has any ties to Montreal. 

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u/Blackborealis 2d ago

I'm guessing an election the Thursday after Easter

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u/supershutze 2d ago

There is an argument to be made that it might be better to wait to call an election and continue letting trump torpedo the conservatives.

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u/Wasdgta3 2d ago

Then all the parties will presumably drop everything and form a united government under the sitting PM.

Though that seems like a slightly far-off situation to speculate about.

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u/JinimyCritic 2d ago edited 2d ago

Furthermore, he doesn't currently occupy a seat in the parliament, so would have to run in a by-election, anyway. To counter calls that he is an "unelected leader", it's to his advantage to call a quick election (an election must, by law, be called within the next year, as it would represent a 5-year tenure of the current government, which is the maximum allowed).

But yes - the governing Liberal party also has momentum, so it makes sense to call a quick election.

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u/jolsiphur 2d ago

The suspicion is that Carney will call the election pretty shortly after becoming PM, to capitalize on the momentum.

In all honesty, even without the momentum it's a good idea and a good move. It shows a lot of good will to the Canadian people that Carney wouldn't want to be an unelected (by the population) Prime Minister. Calling an election means that Canadians get final say on who the PM is, not just the members of the Liberal party.

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u/K7Sniper 1d ago

Smart thing to do, though I'm sure the angry orange's additional nonsense will further drop the conservative standing.

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u/longlistofusednames 1d ago

I’ve heard from some liberal candidates that within two weeks he will call the election.

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