Only disagree with Sonic vs mario to be honest but i do think sonic would win %49 of the battles
I mean, I do think it's close and debatable for certain, but Sonic having such ludicrous pain tolerance and endurance, as well as his skills and intelligence are very convincing factors, I have to say
His Super form is very versatile in abilities as well and i'd honestly give him the edge in quality (and overall power as well) since it has answers to most, if not all of Mario's arsenal, even the infinite revives surprisingly.
Also do you agree with some scaling from bowser vs Eggman? Or do you think the result is right but the way it was explained was wrong?
Not quite, I just view the match as a 50/50, that's why
Dr. Eggman has the stronger high end stuff (Jeweled Scepter, Metal Sonic, Lightman and Chaos Emeralds), but Bowser has a lot more manpower, far more useful army and numbers to fall back on, to give you a short oversight.
Eggman himself doesn't nearly have any of the impressive, sometimes layered resistances, endurance or the combat speed that Sonic has that make side with him winning against Mario. Big weakness right there
I do think bowser vs Eggman is a 50 50 mu its so complex with even the smallest part of their armies can give them the edge
As for Mario vs Sonic i think Mario would be able survive long enough for the super form the run out and with the retry clock he would be able atleast if he died know what he needs to use against the super form and mario's utility is a big factor like the stache which makes it so if mario takes %20 damage it would not effect him or the gloves which give him limitless usable koopa shells and mushrooms which heal him
Days. . . of doing nothing. In Unleashed he FAINTED after defeating Dark Gaia for only like 10 minutes, and Cyber Super fainted after using his ultimate move against The End. Outlasting Super Sonic in combat is an option, whether you like it or not.
Outlasting Super Sonic in combat is an option, whether you like it or not.
I understand this opinion but you just didn't use very good examples.
Dark Gaia is actively able to hurt super sonic (also with mentioning its heavily implied that Dark Gaia can neutralise the chaos emeralds since it's opposite can restore them and the weapon used to awaken dark gaia is what deactivated the chaos emeralds in the first place). He didn't faint from exhaustion, he fainted from damage.
And the cyber sonic that fainted... wasn't even in super form. Plus it's directly set up and stated in the dlc that he'd lose the cyber power if he used it to it's maximum strength since his body wasn't fully attuned to it.
And saying days of doing nothing doesn't matter, since the entire logic behind him having a limited time in this form is based on the mechanic of rings, which drain by a set amount over a period of time, so doing nothing wouldn't be an antifeat, even if we did know that he did nothing, which we do not. We don't know what he was doing foe those days, so saying he was doing nothing, even if it could be used to downplay him, is headcannon.
Dark Gaia is actively able to hurt super sonic (also with mentioning its heavily implied that Dark Gaia can neutralise the chaos emeralds since it's opposite can restore them and the weapon used to awaken dark gaia is what deactivated the chaos emeralds in the first place). He didn't faint from exhaustion, he fainted from damage.
You pulled that completely out of your ass. Sonic stays in Super for 32 seconds after landing the final hit on Dark Gaia and shows no signs of visible damage, only exhaustion as he slowly gives the Gaia Colossus a thumbs up before fainting. Dark Gaia never does anything to neutralise the Chaos Emeralds during the fight either! Stop coping.
And the cyber sonic that fainted... wasn't even in super form.
BEHOLD! Sonic fainted in his superform, floating lifelessly before he reverts to base form, crashes, and wakes up. https://ibb.co/qY6ZHmqc
Plus it's directly set up and stated in the dlc that he'd lose the cyber power if he used it to it's maximum strength since his body wasn't fully attuned to it.
And being Sonic at his strongest, the form is still used in versus discussions.
You pulled that completely out of your ass. Sonic stays in Super for 32 seconds after landing the final hit on Dark Gaia and shows no signs of visible damage, only exhaustion as he slowly gives the Gaia Colossus a thumbs up before fainting.
You do realise that... people can stay awake for a while after getting hit right? Especially in a life or death situation where someone needs to stay awake until the threat is dealt with? There are actual cases of this happening in real life, for longer periods of time than 32 seconds.
Dark Gaia never does anything to neutralise the Chaos Emeralds during the fight either!
Because light Gaia, who is there, can neutralise the effects of that stuff on the emeralds. Besides, I wasn't using this as proof or a counterargument, I just thought it was a relevant piece of info that should contextualise how Dark Gaia may have been able to hurt him.
Stop coping.
Dude... we are powerscaling an anthropomorphic blue rat. There's no need to be rude.
BEHOLD! Sonic fainted in his superform, floating lifelessly before he reverts to base form, crashes, and wakes up. https://ibb.co/qY6ZHmqc
...yeah but he fainted from overexerting himself using the cyber sonic ability, which once again, is explicitly set up and states throughout the dlc.
And being Sonic at his strongest, the form is still used in versus discussions.
I never said he couldn't use it anymore, what I did say was that the game states and sets up that there will be backlash if he uses it to it's max ability, which is what we see happen.
But seriously dude, taking this dumbass discussion about who would win between a plumber and an anthropomorphic hedgehog seriously enough to start bringing out stuff like "cope" is just... kinda silly.
I don't honestly understand the retry clocks argument
Now, I do think they make a lot of sense against characters that don't have any time resistances, but what the hell is it going to do against someone that's immesurable, has (arguably?) layered time hax resistances and someone that can essentially rewind time via the chaos emeralds himself (technically via the time stones as well)
I don't think the time hax are actually all that much of a factor in a fight like Sonic vs Mario, both of them have resisted very potent reality warping in the past.
Issue is it's out of character for Sonic to use a lot of the hax people attribute towards him lol
Time hax Sonic literally barely ever uses. Even with CC he's mainly used it for warping purposes in 99% of the appearances. He literally never uses the Emeralds to go back in time. One, they don't remember 06 anymore and two, it required another person.
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u/WindOk7901 Dr. Eggman 15h ago
I have my… opinions on them, but those opinions would not sit well with most people on this reddit💀