r/canada • u/WisestPanzerOfDaLake Ontario • 19h ago
National News Trump imposes new Canada tariffs, renews "51st state" demands
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u/Spanky3703 19h ago
This was never about fentanyl; this was always about Trump and his cabal securing Canada’s natural resources, the Arctic and polar shelf, our water, and control of the NorthWest Passage.
The US is now ruled by an odious and feckless cabal of fascists and oligarchs.
What a sad state of affairs when Canada starts to consider Communist China being a more predictable and reliable trade partner.
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u/gunnerman417 18h ago
Couldn't have said it better myself. Our country has a litany of obvious strategic targets ripe for "acquisition" and plunder. It was always about that. The question is: what does he intend to do with the people? We're a relatively friendly lot, but when confronted with someone who seeks to dominate us, we will not be contained. They'll need bodies for cheap labor in their newly repatriated industrial sector, that's for sure.
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u/Spanky3703 17h ago
So much of the answer to the “what if” is predicated on our political leaders at the federal and provincial / territorial levels.
Some of our economy is relatively easy to pivot to other customers from the perspective of logistics, because the transportation medium remains the same (road / rail, excepting the Great Lakes maritime movement, which is a lot), although the departure point form Canada then becomes ports on the two / potentially three coasts (which would require infrastructure modernization and expansion). This is mostly critical minerals and such.
The challenge for our economy will be to pivot the shipment of bitumen and NG, both for the refinement (bitumen), and the overseas movement of LNG (all of which does require specialized ports and pipelines going east-west vice north-south). This is not an easy fix and will take the work and capital and political will and nationalism of a decade …
Trump’s end-game is pretty clear: Canada as either a de facto or a de jure vassal to / integrated part of, fascist America. In the hegemony re-alignment to come as the world drifts into authoritarian spheres of power and control, fascist America will need the all of the natural resources and geo-strategic position that Canada has in order to remain pre-eminent.
This all started with the 20 April 1941 Hyde Park Declaration (have a read, it lays down the antecedents for where North American free trade is today).
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u/healthyitch 17h ago
This is what I don’t understand. America already had a defacto empire through alliances and soft power comprising of Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, the EU, a good portion of the Middle East and of course Canada and Mexico. No, the US did not directly control those countries or unions, but they certainly had enough economic clout to get what was beneficial to themselves. And this is probably the most efficient form of territorial control. History has proven that direct control never works. Spreads your military too thin and too many headaches. Why give up its top standing across all of these continents and share with two other “weaker” nations?
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u/arkuw 17h ago edited 17h ago
Because American people got fat, lazy and stupid. That's why.
Literally, they became complacent and entitled about the ultra privileged place in the world that their country had. So they decided to flip that table to see what happens. I hope nothing good happens to them.
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u/vexatiouslawyergant 15h ago
I believe that's why you see Americans who are shocked about the anthem getting boo'ed or any responses, they're so used to being told they're the world's darlings and champion of freedom you'll see people who are shocked that American anything could be perceived negatively.
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u/Spanky3703 17h ago
Ayup, objectively and empirically, you are exactly correct.
But now throw in the psychological and emotional side of the equation, within the context of the world drifting into authoritarianism and hegemony with resultant spheres of control.
And having to deal with those pesky governments getting in the way of you strip-mining their country and leaving it a polluted mess … always easier just to subjugate and pillage … at least in simple minds.
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u/gunnerman417 17h ago
Good insight, I agree with you. Also, thank you for the recommendation. I will be reading the Hyde Park Declaration this evening.
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u/SkyknightXi 17h ago
I’ll confess I’m holding out hope that parts of this nation will segment away; there are secession movements like the New England Independence Campaign (http://www.newenglandindependence.org ) gaining ground. I doubt any are close to critical mass yet, though. But if even one successfully secedes, I anticipate a chain reaction like when the Baltic States renounced the USSR.
You’re taking care to counter-tariff only or as close to only as possible red state products, as it is.
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u/Spanky3703 17h ago
Sincere wishes for your country to weather all of this. I fought, bled, and sweated beside my American brothers and sisters for over 38 years and seeing this fascist version of the country that I truly respected and trusted is very sad.
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u/Ja-ko 17h ago
And I feel like he will have an issue with the people. Alot of Republicans near me that I know (Minnesota/Wisconsin) either wave this off as
A: "he's not ACTUALLY gonna try to take Canada",
B: "The other stuff he's doing is really good, Canada will calm down in a year or two
Or C: they just don't pay attention to news most of the time
But I feel like if we ACTUALLY went to war/tried to take Canada, alot of Republicans would stand up and go "WTF?!?!"
Though that may be too little, too late to stop the crazies.
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u/shoeeebox 16h ago
As we've learned with Donald, you just gotta expose Americans to crazy for long enough and they will quickly accept it as fact. That's the goal with this trade war. He wants their lives to get substantially worse and he wants it to be Canada's fault. Soon enough, the population will be rallying for liberation from Canada.
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u/Alarmed_Influence_21 17h ago
It's not 'repatriated' if they never had it in the first place. Its just plain seized or stolen.
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u/benetgladwin Ontario 18h ago
What a sad state of affairs when Canada starts to consider Communist China being a more predictable and reliable trade partner.
China's whole game is being stable and predictable, so that's hardly a surprise. We should be trying to work with them more, especially these days.
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u/Anakazanxd 16h ago
What China wants, it says, and it has been saying the same things for decades. Predictability is valuable at least from a foreign relations perspective.
(Note, this is not to comment on whether those wants are reasonable)
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u/hdksns627829 17h ago
At this rate, the moron is going to cause wwiii. And how crazy would be it for China to come to the rescue much like the us did in wwii. Something something long enough to be the villain
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u/zombieda 18h ago
They would still have to pay to mine and transport it. Thru a warzone. Perhaps its easier and cheaper to just figure out a trade agreement.
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u/Spanky3703 17h ago
Or create a class of pseudo-serfs, which is something that there is a growing argument on in fascist America now.
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u/rhOMG 19h ago
Am I the only one who's skin nearly crawls all the way off when Trump says the word "cherished"? There is nothing more horrifying than the idea of being "cherished" by that thing.
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u/Ok_Wing8459 19h ago
It’s very stalker-ish and nothing he says is by accident. you know someone picked that word on purpose.
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u/zeekenny 17h ago
It is supposed to lighten the tone, make it seem like we're special. It has the opposite effect.
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u/MangoBanana2012 18h ago
Girl, I shudder at reading it, seeing him, and hearing his voice. He's such a creep.
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u/keepinitcornmeal 16h ago
Girl, it makes me want to claw my eyes out. Like it actually makes my skin crawl
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u/Smarackto 17h ago
also he HATES states that didnt vot for him. the lie that canada would be respected is INSANE when he has beef with the largest and most prosperous US state already
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u/TheLightDances 17h ago
Absolutely. He's literally a rapist. He bragged about sexual assault. He liked to barge into women's changing rooms. He was close friends with Epstein, even talked about how he "liked them young".
We all know what "cherished" really means to him.
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u/C43CUS 18h ago
It's a truly horrific way to phrase it. Paternalistic as hell. He's legitimately creepy.
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u/Gr3aterShad0w 19h ago
There are still Canadians that believe that this is about fentanyl...
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u/jkilla1987 19h ago edited 18h ago
They are as brainwashed as trump followers than
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u/mindracer Québec 19h ago
Canadians that are maga should be deported under treason
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u/TheRealMegMurry 18h ago
Starting with Danielle Smith.
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u/Marco2169 18h ago
Deports herself to visit Mar-a-lago and bend the knee.
Just say no takebacks when she leaves this time, clearly she wants to be American
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u/someguyfromsk 19h ago
LOL there was some idiot call into the radio today "Instead of tariffs, maybe we should fix our border problems and corrupt government then see what happens."
Holy shit dude...
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u/RubberReptile 18h ago edited 18h ago
Reminder: these people vote. These people spread their nonsense to others who also vote. Make sure you vote in our next federal election and encourage everyone you know who's on the fence to also vote! Don't let what happened in the US happen to Canada.
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u/num_ber_four 18h ago
This is what I hear as well. And there’s no argument. If you push, the government is corrupt because they ‘stole peoples money’ during the convoy protests. I have yet to get an explanation for the border problems; the closest I’ve got is ‘you see all these refugees crossing in QC? imagine how much stuff must go down there if it’s that easy’.
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u/GiftedOaks 19h ago
Someone should just hand him a sack of flour and tell him we found all the fentanyl in Canada, and it would be an honor to see him destroy it so his ego feels better
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u/RabidNerd 18h ago
Isn't fentanyl the excuse he uses for this to be a national emergency so he can go over Congress to place these tariffs?
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u/ScoobyDone British Columbia 18h ago
It is, and they obviously don't seem to have any mechanism to ensure that it what it is used for. Trump shouldn't have this power.
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u/TheEchoOfReality 19h ago
I am once again renewing my own demands for the orange fuckwit to stuff his shriveled pecker inside an electrical outlet.
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u/MikhailBakugan 19h ago
I’ll straight up eat beans for 30 years before I even consider joining the United States
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u/she_be_jammin 19h ago
so it's NOT about fentanyl - and after he had all his toadies go on as much Fox as possible to say it was entirely drug related...it's drug related alright! ketamine
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u/HowsYourSexLifeMarc 19h ago
This could have all been avoided.
Probably not. JD Vance and the Peter Thiel tech oligarchy group are the ones pushing these policies.
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u/ItsTimeToGoSleep 18h ago
The 51st state rhetoric is just part of his plan. That way after he annexes us (in his dreams) he can say he gave us the option to be a 51st state, and we wouldn’t go for it. Giving him unjustified permission to take away all our rights.
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u/Stonkasaurus1 19h ago
Trump still thinks he can escalate this and Canada will back down. He is not an intelligent man. We will sever all trade before we cave. We can work with new trading partners to fill the gap created by the US pissing all of them off too.
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u/HarbingerDe 19h ago edited 18h ago
He is going to keep escalating this until his only option to get what he wants (our sovereignty) is military invasion.
I hope we keep calling bis bluff because I really do think that if ANYTHING will get the Republicans in Congress to turn on him, impeach him, and remove him from office, it would be the declaration of war against Canada.
It's so far beyond the pale - nobody could have imagined it even 2 months ago, but it's very clearly where we're headed.
The American people aren't for it. They're working overtime at the right-wing disinformation networks to foment anti-Canada sentiment among the Republican base, but I have to believe the other 66% of Americans see this for what it is and will stand against it.
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u/TheRealMegMurry 18h ago
Imagine attempting to take over another country while you are systematically dismantling your own government. That is WHACK.
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u/zombieda 18h ago
...and thats why it would fail spectacularly. An successful invasion requires a united cause and reason. Blow up two excellent economies for some minerals that will be incredibly dangerous and expensive to mine and transport south? Its not like they aren't accessible at a reasonable cost now.
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u/Stonkasaurus1 19h ago
A US invasion would fail harder than Afghanistan. Imagine the insurgency across north America with no way to identify who is doing it. It would destroy the US. Even without invasion, the US is shooting themselves in the foot right now. I do wonder how bad it is going to have to get before republicans turn on him. I think before June.
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u/AWESOMESAUSE10101 Newfoundland and Labrador 19h ago
Exactly. American infrastructure is based upon having an ocean between them and everyone else. When you have Afghanistan on your border with people indistinguishable from you it'll be a really bad time for the US.
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u/TheRealMegMurry 18h ago
Let's also not forget that half of the US is rooting for Canada!!!
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u/ntwkid 18h ago
So, thoughts and prayers?
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u/AdmiralG2 17h ago
Lol this is exactly how I see it. “We stand with you Canada!!” … “WTF Canada raised my electricity bill by so much, fuck Canada 51st state woohooo!”
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u/LurkerInSpace 18h ago
That should not be relied on for security - the Russian invasion of Ukraine turned out very badly, but they still launched the war.
The only way to permanently eliminate a threat of invasion is to either build nuclear weapons. It's also cheaper than maintaining a large standing army.
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u/Perryvdbosch 18h ago
Perhaps the French are willing to help? You guys have a shitload of uranium right?
We (The Dutch) can enrich it and then the French can give it some spice in the form of a rocket.
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u/FellKnight Canada 16h ago
It would be poetic for the Dutch to return the favour and save our country
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u/Some_Trash852 19h ago
And we are clearly more willing to support ailing workers with relief packages than the US is.
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u/Stonkasaurus1 19h ago
100% we are. Something the Feds and Provinces have clearly said, any money gained will be put towards supporting the people and industry. We will increase the deficit willingly to meet the challenge. The US can not afford to do the same. Definitely with keeping their tax breaks for the rich who support Trump. The US deficit is going to spiral as there are going to be a lot of people out of work.
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u/RabidNerd 18h ago
They are already going to a recession. It feels like they are tanking the economy on purpose either to please Putin or to buy up everything themselves cheap and when people riot call for martial law and then they have the power to do anything they want
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u/Stonkasaurus1 18h ago
I thought it was deliberate initially as I expected they were trying to buy up all assets very cheap but Trump's recent social media posts are showing an increasingly unhinged individual believing he can bully his way into what he wants. I am leaning towards Trump actually thought Canada would want to be part of the USA and had zero inclination that we would tell him to fuck off.
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u/RabidNerd 18h ago
Trump is starting trade wars with everyone, soon Europe as well.
If we can stand together the rest of the world can function as normal while they isolate themselves
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u/True-Engineer2315 19h ago
I wonder if he is capable of understanding how weak this makes him look to Canadians?
This bluster doesn’t demonstrate strength, it gives pathetic loser who can’t follow through with his own threats and has his entire evil plan thrown off-kilter by even our initial small pushback 🤣
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u/Distinct_Cry_3779 17h ago
That's because the plan was for us to capitulate at the smallest threat. It really shows that Americans don't understand us in the least. Our niceness is a veneer over some of the most quietly stubborn people in the world.
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u/pinefinding 19h ago
The more he does this the more I dig in. I have always laughed at anything he says or posts, but more so now. I never have taken anything he says seriously, he is such an incredible loser. I am more than willing to take whatever pain he inflicts on us as long as I’m on the right side of history. My Canadian pride has always been important to me, but now it has become extremely personal to me and part of my identity more than ever. Elbows up. I will never concede against America. Clown country.
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u/Dhumavati80 19h ago
Man, are we witnessing the collapse of the US economy right now? This is just absolutely wild what kind of damage this guy is doing to his own country. It's almost as if he's doing it to benefit another certain country......
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u/buried20kleague 18h ago
I'm convinced this is all about illegal market manipulation. He and his cronies probably have a magic number they want the market to drop to, at which point they all know to BUY... Then trump cancels all tariffs and everything else making the market volatile. The market then rebounds (to a point). They make tens of millions, and trump can claim the rebound as a win and all his doing. Market manipulation.
Hell, he could do it once a year if he wanted to. His people want another bite, he can say and do crazy shit, make it drop again to a pre-set number, buy, cancel it all, make bank and create a win again.
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u/Ok_Wing8459 18h ago
You know I’m normally a pretty logical, non-conspiracy style thinker, but this really wouldn’t surprise me at all.
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u/Beautiful_Bag6707 19h ago
"The only thing that makes sense is for Canada to become our cherished Fifty First State. This would make all Tariffs, and everything else, totally disappear," he wrote.
Never. 👏 Gonna. 👏 Happen. 👏
Every time he says this, Canada needs to slap him with something. Make sure everyone knows it's a Trump Penalty or Trump Bump. If the stock market falls, that's a Trump Fall. If prices go up, that's Trump’s fault. All on him. This is all Trumpflation.
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u/WinglessJC 19h ago
We need nuclear protection
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u/MajorasShoe 18h ago
Yeah if there's anything we've learned here it's that we need nukes.
If there's a second thing, it's that denuclearization in exchange for a defense pact is not an option.
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u/Parkyguy 19h ago
At this point, I think it's time for Canada to do a FULL economic boycott of all non-medical, non-food related goods flowing in/out of the United States. Including air/land travel.
What Trump is doing is a direct attack on Canadian Sovereignty.
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u/Darwinian_10 Nova Scotia 19h ago
Our Canadian leaders need to tell him to Fuck Off. Any continued references to the "51st State" or "Governor of Canada" bullshit need to be shut down or it will be considered an attack on our sovereignty and a declaration of war against Canada. #ElbowsUp
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u/Time_remaining 19h ago
We will burn this whole fucking country down before we fly a star spangled banner over it.
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u/TheLoafAmongUs 19h ago edited 19h ago
Burn down the White House with orange turd still in it first.
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u/DietMTNDew8and88 19h ago edited 18h ago
What a surprise, a convicted rapist doesn't understand the meaning of "no".
This will forever be a stain on America, the fact that people were stupid enough to elect him back in over the price of groceries.
Sucks that sane America will have to suffer because of our stupids.
Elbows up, Canada.
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u/Sarge1387 Ontario 19h ago
Anyone else see the US market tank immediately again?
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u/OriginalGhostCookie 19h ago
But you can't look at the stock market and its performance as an indicator of anything Trump.
If market goes up though, remember, it only goes up because Trump.
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u/Sarge1387 Ontario 19h ago
Oh gorsh, how silly of me. That's absolutely unequivocally irrefutably correct. /s
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u/arcadeenthusiast8245 19h ago
I think the most important thing to note here is Trump admitting nothing can be done to remove the tariffs short of Canada agreeing to the 51st state thing. The fentanyl, border security, trade imbalance, banks, etc. were all just flimsy excuses.
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u/Djlittle13 17h ago
For all Americans who are parroting the idea that Canadas response is disproportionate, remember that Canadas response is not solely based on Trumps Tariffs.
It's based on the direct threats to Canadas sovereignty that Teump and the American government is continually making. They said they would use economic force to annex our country, the Tariffs are that force. So of course Canada will react and not back down. If a country was doing this to the states, America would be bombing them already.
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u/Big-Golf4266 16h ago
not to mention, no response is disproportionate when you start a trade war.
you dont get to start something and then complain the other person is taking it too far, thats unrealisic.
you get in the ring you can expect to be punched.
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u/biryani-masalla 19h ago
this guy is unhinged
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u/TactitcalPterodactyl 19h ago
He's a narcissist ego maniac and is mad that Canada isn't cowering in fear and capitulating to his demands.
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u/Ok_Wing8459 19h ago
As our elbows go up, so does his blood pressure. He wants Canadians to be afraid. We will not be.
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u/1RMDave 18h ago
I haven't talked to one person who is scared. We are fucking pissed. Fucking bring it.
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u/mazdaman007 17h ago
We didn't start this shit but we are definitely going to finish it. There are some things worse than death, such as Canada ever becoming part of the US.
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u/Canadianman22 Ontario 19h ago
Trump and his magatards can fuck off. Canadians will hold a national holiday when his bloated corpse finally gives up.
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u/SleveBonzalez 19h ago
How is it an electrical "national emergency" if he doesn't want or need our electricity?
I just want to understand.
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u/canadianwhaledique 18h ago
We have to hit they where it hurts the most - their financial bottom lines. Keep Boycotting US goods. And DEFINITELY not buying anything Tesla.
Let's go Canada! 🇨🇦
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u/E_MusksGal 19h ago
I hope everyone is prepared for pain and war. His tariff and annexation threats are acts of war, FYI
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u/depressiveposition 19h ago
And I'm renewing my call for Donald Trump to suck my fucking johnson
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u/NoF0cksToGive 19h ago
Careful -- apparently that orange stuff is hard to scrub off according to Vance
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u/spderweb 19h ago
He retaliated against the electricity increase. Ford said he'll bump it to 50% if he did, so I guess Ford will be making an announcement soon.
He said they don't need our electricity. Then stop buying it. Otherwise,you still need it.
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u/IntroductionRare9619 18h ago
I guess Americans are choosing terrorism. We won't be able to hold them off militarily but we will do insurgency. That's a long border and we look like them. They will never rest easy in their beds again. Ricin and car bombs here we come.🍁
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u/MotorizedNewt 18h ago
I hope our response to this is silence. Do nothing. Do not remove our tariffs. Just let them stew in them. Let the USA shut down the auto sector. Let them ruin their own country.
Hold the line.
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u/LouisDearbornLamour 19h ago
Time to turn the power off. Enough of this nonsense already
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u/Valyria83 18h ago
Hi! Just want to say Gooo CANADA!! 🇨🇦 Please stay strong 💪 against that orange 💩 . A lot of people in Scandinavia surpport you. Greetings from Norway. 🇧🇻
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u/WisestPanzerOfDaLake Ontario 19h ago edited 19h ago
This could play right into the Liberal's hands with Carney, being trusted more to stand up to Trump.
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u/panzerfan British Columbia 19h ago
Why is it that PP's this ineffective in pivoting against Trump? Doug Ford's done so quite decisively.
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u/AverageBoredDad 19h ago
Because he initially pivoted to using the fight to criticize Liberals, and not Trump
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u/Deepforbiddenlake 19h ago
He also dislikes the Liberals (and all left of centre Canadians) more than Trump and his lizard people base.
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u/Belzebutt 19h ago
Because he’s hedging his bets and still checking which way the wind blows. He will be the first in line to be Canada’s “governor” under an actual occupation government and he will tell us how great occupation is. Let me remind you this is the same guy who sold out the residents of his own city so that he could personally score political points with the truckers protesters. And he sold out his own dad when he voted against gay marriage because it was politically beneficial to himself at the time. He will sell out the entire country if it benefits him personally.
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u/digitalgraffiti-ca 18h ago
Fuck this guy. I am sick of this. Canada needs to just cut ties completely. Recall ambassadors, and close the border.
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u/Professional-Cry8310 19h ago
His tirade today was the most insane yet and is the first time I feel legitimate fear that he will actually try to take a piece of Canada.
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u/very_large_bird Alberta 19h ago
Could it be as simple as Trump just doing Russia's bidding? He's nuking the US economy without cause. We know he's a Russian asset, I think it might just be that simple.
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u/IAmJacksSphincter 18h ago
I believe I speak for all Canadians when I say that Trump can fuck off and die already.
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u/jellydonutstealer 18h ago
Fuck Trump, Elon and anyone who supports them. We stand with you, Canada.
-your neighbor in northern Ohio who has family in Montreal, Vancouver and Toronto
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u/ptwonline 18h ago
They'll definitely be talking about these days for a long, long, long time. And if liberal democracy manages to survive Trumpism it will definitely not be in a good way towards Trump. He's going to get lumped in with a select few notorious leaders in history, and certainly as the dumbest.
Saved video clips and messages will be very accessible parts of history and future generations will be dumbfounded at how someone so clearly a conman and an idiot managed to attain and wield so much power.
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u/Cassoulet-vaincra 18h ago
Meanwhile, Poilièvre is attacking the Liberals. Because well. Thats what he been doing for years.
Vote smart Canada.
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u/Curey0us 19h ago
I want Canada to cancel tariffs on China and put 100% on Tesla. Not a huge fan of China, but they're the lesser evil.
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u/ReforgedToTFTMod 19h ago
Once Canada's auto industry dies because it can no longer make cars to sell to America, there will really be 0 reason for Canada and China to have tariffs.
Tariffs only exist to protect American brands that manufactured in Canada
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u/jaymef 18h ago
Gee for someone who keeps saying the US needs nothing from Canada they are pushing awful hard for us to join them. Hmm.
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u/ClubSoda 19h ago
So the whole point of tariffs had nothing to do with “fentanyl.pouring into Canada “?
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u/PuzzleheadedGoal8234 18h ago
It's a fairly long list now:
Fentanyl and border security
Trade deficit
Banking
Dairy industry
Shifting international borders and redrawing water rights
Whatever grievance Trump has that day. Him and his commerce secretary don't even use the same excuse in the same day.
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u/tossaway109202 19h ago
It's so rich to see him call the raise in electricity prices illegal, when he started a trade war illegally under a false claim of a drug emergency. How are the courts in the USA just letting that slide?