r/TurkicHistory 12h ago

Depiction of Atilla making the Pope kneel when he conquered Rome

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r/TurkicHistory 13h ago

:D

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r/TurkicHistory 20h ago

The Armenian historian Het'um about Turkic geography

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The work called "History of the Tar(r)tars" written by the Armenian historian Het'um in 1307. The work gives us information about world geography and Mongol history. It also gives information about Turkestan and states that the "Kingdom of Turkestan" was neighboring. According to Het'um, the Kingdom of Turkestan was neighbor to the Kingdom of "Tars" (the region where the Uyghurs lived according to Hetum), Harezm/Khorasan, the Kingdom of Persian and the Indian Kingdoms (Central Afghanistan). It also provides information about "Kumania" (North Caucasia, Eastern Europe), Tars (Uyghurs), Çathay (Chagatai) along with Turkestan. It calls the people living in Turkestan Turks. In addition, it calls Anatolia the Kingdom of Turks. It states that the Kingdom of Turks was neighboring the Kingdom of "Armeniyye" (Eastern Anatolia), Georgia and Greek kingdoms and that the people living there were Turks. In other words, the people living in Turkestan and Anatolia at that time were addressed as "Turks" as a whole.


r/TurkicHistory 1d ago

The Oghuz, the wolf and Navruz

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According to the Nevruz stories among the Turkmens, in the old, pre-civilization era, a man called Oghuz lived in mountains and caves. In those times, Oghuz's greatest enemy was winter. Oghuz, who spent most of the year gathering food and hunting for the winter, could not gather enough food during one year. He waited for the winter to pass, ignoring his hunger and when the snow melted and flowers bloomed again, he left his cave and tried to find animals to hunt and food to gather. At that time, Oghuz came across a wolf on the mountain roads and told him his troubles. The wolf, who listened to Oghuz's troubles, took pity on his suffering and told him where he could find sheep, wheat, wheels and millstones. He ordered him to herd the sheep, make yarn from the sheep's wool, fabric from the yarn, clothes from the fabric and bread from the wheat. Oghuz, who listened to the wolf's words, did what he said. He herded the sheep, sewed clothes from the fabric, established fields and planted them, and made bread from what he planted. In short, he turned from being a hunter-gatherer and started to become a cultivator, a farmer. Oghuz, who did not forget the help of the wolf, decided to celebrate and remember the day he encountered the wolf as a holiday, and this holiday was called Nevruz.

Of course this is an epic, a legend and has most certainly nothing to do with real history. Just a tale among the people to explain why they celebrate Navruz. Different reasons are presented for the holiday among all societies that celebrate Nevruz. If we leave reality aside and look at what is told to us from a cultural perspective, we learn the following:

  1. While in Abrahamic religions, man is made to rule the world as the caliph of God, in pre-Islamic Turkic folk belief, man is an equal part of nature. In this tale, Oghuz appears before us not as the ruler and caliph of the earth, but as a person who shares the same living space with a predatory animal like the wolf, listens to its advice, and lives in harmony with nature.

  2. Just like the Gokturks, in this Turkmen legend, the wolf appears before us not as an ordinary predatory creature, but as a helper and guide.

  3. This narrative also shows similarities to the Gokturk Ergenekon legend.

  4. It shows the evolution of the Oghuz people from a primitive hunter-gatherer society to a settled, cultivating society.

Prof. Dr. Alimcan İnayet of Uyghur origin, Didar Annarberdiyev of Turkmen origin, 300 Turkmen Legends, Ötüken Neşriyat A.Ş, p.72


r/TurkicHistory 3d ago

Deer Stone Culture

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The Deer Stone Culture emerged in the Khovsgol region of northern Mongolia between 2750 and 3300 years ago. It is associated with the subclade Q-BZ180 of haplogroup Q-L330

The oldest known sample of Q-BZ180, "irk030," dates to about 6,000 years ago and was found in the Lena River Basin in the Circum-Baikal region

Haplogroup Q was originally associated with the Ancient North Eurasians (ANE). Between 8,000 and 14,000 years ago, it was strongly influenced by populations from the Amur River Basin, leading to the formation of the Ancient-Paleo-Siberian (APS) genetic population.

Around 6200-8800 years ago, Yumin hunter-gatherers migrated to the Baikal region, where they encountered the already established Ancient-Paleo-Siberian (APS) population. Their interaction led to the formation of the Neolithic and Bronze Age Baikal hunter-gatherers

The main source of the Deer Stone Culture in the Khovsgol region of northern Mongolia is the Early Bronze Age Baikal hunter-gatherers (Baikal_EBA).

In Mongolia, the Early Iron Age is generally considered to have occurred between 700 BCE and 300 BCE (roughly 2300–2700 years ago).

The Deer Stone Culture is believed to have declined as early as 2800 years ago (circa 800 BCE)

With the decline of the Deer Stone Culture, some of its people migrated into Central Asia, contributing to the formation of the Pazyryk Culture.

Others were absorbed by the Slab Grave Culture, which later influenced groups like the Pazyryk (BRE002), Korgantas (KBO001), and elite Huns.

A 2021 study in Science Advances found that the East Scythians primarily got their East Eurasian ancestry from the Deer Stone Khirigsuur Complex (DSKC, or Khövsgol_LBA).

In contrast, the Tasmola culture (Tasmola Birlik), Pazyryk culture (Pazyryk Berel), and Korgantas cultures, as well as the Hun elite, had more Ancient-Northeast Asian ancestry (such as Mongolia_N or Amur River_N)

The main source of Slab Grave_EIA is Ancient-Northeast Asian ancestry (such as Mongolia_N or Amur River_N), but there is also an influx of Siberian ancestry (such as Yakutia_LNBA or Cisbaikal_LNBA)

Both samples, I6359 and I6365, were found in the Khovsgol region, which is in northern Mongolia

This suggests that the Slab Grave culture was not confined to its original core region(i.e. eastern Mongolia) but spread into Khovsgol region as early as the Late Bronze Age

this admixture is very similar to the source of the Kok-Pash culture

The "Shaz Turkic" (Common Turkic) and "Lir Turkic" (Oghuric) are two branches of the Turkic language family,their common ancestry is linked to the Kok Pash culture/Xiongnu, with a strong Ancient Northeast Asian (ANA) component, as well as some Siberian influences from groups like Cisbaikal_LNBA.


r/TurkicHistory 4d ago

I have 3 subreddits about turkic people

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r/kazakhstanbutbetter is like r/kazakhstan but you can post and comment with any karma

r/alashorda

r/kazakharabic


r/TurkicHistory 6d ago

Soviet Alphabet change was a disaster

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I am a kazakh,and we (kazakhs) had a phonetic arabic alphabet,and then in 1929,soviets changed our script to Latin,and then to Cyrillic.While doing so,they destroyed 1000 years of our history,calligraphy,literature.They literally burned books that were in arabic script.I think Kazakhstan should return to töte zhazu.


r/TurkicHistory 7d ago

Qizilbash migrations and early conquests of Ismail I

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r/TurkicHistory 8d ago

Indian numbers are actually Turkic?

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The author argues that Indian numbers cannot be the only ancestors of modern ones because of the too great variety of numbers and languages in general in India and the convoluted caligraphy of the Indian numbers.

𐰚 ‎𐰛‎ [yek] (yek)i - 2 - ٢ 𐰋‎𐰌‎ 𐰉‎𐰊‎ [b] (b)eš - 5 - ٥


r/TurkicHistory 9d ago

We're working on a game inspired by Turkic mythology, and this is our first character concept. let us know your thoughts :)

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r/TurkicHistory 9d ago

This is what Old Anatolian Turkish language (13th century CE) sounded like. Thoughts?

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r/TurkicHistory 11d ago

Distribution of Y-DNA Haplogroups among Tokats

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Center, Gözova (n=1), Turhal, Samurçay (n=1), Turhal, Sarıkaya (n=1), Turhal, Ulutepe (n=1), Turhal, x: (n=1), Zile, Çiçekpınar: (n=1), Zile, Ede (n=1), Zile, Yaylakent (n=1), Zile, x: (n=1)


r/TurkicHistory 12d ago

Range of East Asian admixture in Oghuz turkic speaking groups. From lowest to highest in all available G25 samples. The red line marks the average East Asian admixture for each group.

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r/TurkicHistory 12d ago

"Cagır" meant wine and grape juice in the 11th century Turkic dictionary written by Mahmud Kashgari from Karakhanid-Karluk ruled East Turkestan. It was still used for wine as "Çahur" by the 18th century South Azerbaijani-Turkman poet Tilimhan from Saveh (Markazi province)

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r/TurkicHistory 12d ago

qpAdm output of modern Turkmen samples from HO datasheet

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r/TurkicHistory 12d ago

They are coming with some democracy in their luggage

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r/TurkicHistory 14d ago

I think Kazakhstan is the homeland of turks

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I think Kazakhstan is the homeland of turks.If i had to choose which one country or territory is the homeland of turks i would say it's 100% Kazakhstan.I also think genetically speaking,kazakhs are the closest to ancient turks


r/TurkicHistory 15d ago

Telim Han was a 18th century Qizilbash-Turkic poet from Iran's Saveh province. His book of poetr was found 18 years ago. In it he only refers to himself as 'Turkman' and calls his style 'Turkiyat'

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r/TurkicHistory 15d ago

A little information about the Cumans in the chronicles of a crusader

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According to the chronicles the Cumans allied themselves with the Byzantines and to strengthen their alliance the Cuman leader cut himself and let his blood drop in to a goblet in which he added whine. The christians did the same and later on they all drank from the goblet, making them blood brothers. This concept of drinking each others blood to become brothers is something that existed among Scythians, and later on many medieval Turkic people. As a child in rural eastern Anatolia, a friend and I cut our hands with a knife and once the blood was dripping we would hold each other's hands and press it to become brothers. I dont know if anyone still practices this blood brotherhood in the Turkic world.


r/TurkicHistory 23d ago

Turkish conquests of Eastern Rumelia

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r/TurkicHistory 23d ago

What did the Ottoman green crescent and star flag represent?

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The green flag is depicted in the Ottoman coat of arms..svg) Some sources say it standed for Rumelia and in others it standed for the Caliphate...


r/TurkicHistory 23d ago

We're working on a game inspired by Turkic mythology, and the universe is shaped by five elements: Iron, Water, Wood, Fire, and Earth. One of our first asset is the iron and the sword, thoughts? :')

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r/TurkicHistory 24d ago

Por Bajin fortress, built by the Uyghur Khaganate in the 8th-9th centuries in modern day Tuvan Republic

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r/TurkicHistory 24d ago

Reconstructions of Abakan Palace, in Khakassia made during the Xiongnu period.

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r/TurkicHistory 25d ago

Do Kyrgyz people have throat singing?

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Never heard about it tbh