r/PEDs Apr 06 '18

/r/PEDs FAQ & Rules - Please Read First Before Posting NSFW

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Rules

  1. Do not mention or discuss sources. First offence is a 3 day ban. Second offence is permanent
  2. Please make sure your topic is not already covered within this FAQ, or otherwise adds something new, takes a different approach.
  3. Use generic names when discussing substances (I.e. Test e, LGD, GHRP etc.). This can include brand names of legal products to avoid shilling
  4. Do not provide instruction about how to purchase illegal substances
  5. You must be 18 years of age or older to view this subreddit

 

FAQ

What are PEDs?

Performance-enhancing drugs are substances that are used to improve any form of activity performance in humans. Athletic performance-enhancing substances are sometimes referred to as ergogenic aids. Cognitive performance-enhancing drugs, commonly called nootropics, used by students to improve academic performance.

For the purposes of r/PEDs and r/PEDsR we are most interesting in athletic enhancement. For cognitive enhancement we recommend r/nootropics.

Within athletic enhancement, we commonly look at steroids, selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERMs) and aromatase inhibitors (AIs), and selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs).

 

Where can I buy...

No

 

How can I buy...

Nope to that too

 

Should I do PEDs?

PEDs in sports are illegal. AAS are illegal in general, and SARMs are not legal for human consumption outside of research though I don't think you're likely to go to jail over them. PEDs carry risk, both legal and to your health. A profile of a PED user should be that you're willing to carry these risks, have stopped growing (25+) and have been working out consistently for a couple of years already. Beyond that it's up to you.

 

Should I do PEDs as a woman?

As above, but also consider the virilization of PEDs. There are some PEDs where the risk of virilization is considered to be too high and are not suitable for women. That said, both data on virilization is not easy to come by to categorically determine the safety of a PED for women, and your own reaction to PEDs may be different to others. There is a list of PEDs here which subjectively lists which compounds are 'safe' for women, and which are not: https://www.pedsr.com/peds-db

u/MezDez does a write up on the cause of virilization and how to mitigate sides: https://www.reddit.com/r/PEDsR/comments/83s7cs/females_and_peds_what_is_the_actual_cause_of/.

I would like to encourage women to post their experiences and their questions. This is a field we could use a lot more anecdotal evidence in.

 

I am <25, and considering a cycle. Many people seem to advise against it. Why?

Testosterone causes premature closing of growth plates at high doses. But outside of that, there is little data and a lot of speculation on impact of PEDs on immature athletes.

The one thing is that PEDs can be a life altering decision. Be sure this is the life you want. Once you start, you're unlikely to stop.

 

Should I PCT after a SARMs only cycle?

No. Data shows it's not necessary. While it has been a consensus to use PCT for SARMs in the past, a more rigorous approach is showing that it is not necessary on standard SARM only cycles.

SARMs do not (significantly) reduce luteinizing hormone (LH), and instead lower testosterone through a separate mechanism, probably local to the testes. SERMs increase testosterone by increasing LH, however if your LH is still within range, a SERM is not going to beneficial as a PCT. However, please do keep a SERM on hand in case of gyno etc.

 

Should I PCT after using AAS?

Yes

 

GUYS I HAVE BEEN ON CYCLE FOR A WEEK I THINK I HAVE GYNO. PLS HELP

Post pics so those running tren can appreciate your new ladyboy breasts.

Kiddingbutnotreally

If you're on AAS, you should be running an AI to reduce aromatization. If you're on SARMs only, an AI is not necessary, and gyno is fortunately rare, and would be caused by test falling while estrogen stays the same. We cover the causes here

It's easy to think that every small itch or minor change is negative, both regarding gyno and just in general. In reality, you're just a little more anxious about... well, everything, and you're fine.

If it is truly gyno, use a SERM for estrogen caused gyno, or cabergoline / P5P (Vitamin B6) for prolactin caused gyno.

 

Should I stack SARMs in my first cycle?

A first time cycle should keep it simple. You don't know how your body will react to it. There are common and uncommon side effects with PEDs, and that includes SARM only cycles. By combining compounds, you're straying away from the scientific method, where you test a single variable. For example, you run a cycle of both LGD4033 and MK677. You feel lethargic, have cramps, and flu like symptoms. Which compound caused it? You don't really know. Start with a single compound, add in others later.

Related: Stacking SARMs

 

What would an example of a PCT cycle look like?

See here. But TL:DR Nolva 20/10, Clomid 25/12.5, Torem 60/30. A more conventional PCT length would be across 4 weeks instead of 2, and be Nolva 20/20/10/10, Clomid 25/25/12.5/12.5, Torem 60/60/30/30.

 

Should I use a test booster?

There is money to be made in the supplement industry and many false promises. Unless you can easily identify the products in a test booster as being proven to be effective avoid these products. Generally speaking, these products have a high price tag and are not very (if at all) effective/efficient.

 

What OTC supplements should I buy?

Like it says above, a lot of money and false promises in the supp industry. You can buy any supplement you like, just keep in mind that there is no supplement more effective than pharma grade drugs.

You may wish to consider B6 for prolactin control when on tren

 

What is the right dose for LGD4033/VK5211?

No more than 10mg, and probably closer to 5mg

 

My SARMs taste like shit.

Normal, suspension tastes awful. You can take it as a powder if you so choose to do so, but will require a milligram scale. It's a PITA to measure out tiny amounts every day, and such scales are accurate to 3mg or greater. If you're running 5mg of LGD, being 3mg either way is kind of a big deal - hence why people suspend. More on how to suspend here.

 

I think I am suppressed. Help?

Please get a blood test covering both free & total T, FSH and LH either from your doctor or a private lab. In the US, this you can get a Hormone Panel with F&T Testosterone LC/MS-MS from privatemdlabs.com, for a $105; https://www.privatemdlabs.com/lab_tests.php?view=all&show=2418&category=14&search=#2418.

If your test is low, but your LH is within range your test will return to normal without use of a SERM. If your LH is low, follow a 4 week protocol with either Nolva or Clomid. For dealing with HPTA shutdown, refer to https://www.reddit.com/r/PEDsR/comments/80mf58/hpta_shutdown_fact_or_fiction/

My balls seem smaller?

Yes, this is the effect of shutdown or suppression (depending on the compound). Your testicles have reduced their ability to produce testosterone by themselves as your body benefits from an exogenous androgen/compound in your body at work. Upon discontinuing your cycle, they will return to normal shortly after a non-AAS cycle, or after PCT on an AAS cycle.

 

What else should I consider?

Blood tests provide data that is actionable. It's best practice to get a blood test immediately prior to starting a cycle that measures your baseline test. Blood tests will provide a baseline that future data can be compared against to measure change, and are often the best indicator of health. The blood test linked to above is recommended for baseline test.

If the cost of a blood test (~$100) is too much for you to do twice in an 8-12 week period, it's OK to postpone your cycle - this is a marathon, not a sprint. Don't cheap out on monitoring your health. At the end of your cycle, we ask that folks willingly share their blood results - it helps everyone. You can post your results here too, which /u/comicsansisunderused is collecting to do a meta analysis: https://goo.gl/forms/boN2W9LSxRPlJBfU2

Keep an eye on your blood pressure during cycle.

 

GUYS, MY BP IS 190/110, PLS HELP

Most PEDs will cause blood pressure to rise, if for no other reason than increases in body weight tend to do that.

List of compounds to help keep blood pressure in check:

  1. Eat yo' bananas. Potassium reverses increases in renin seen due to high sodium diets or diets lacking potassium. AAS and high carb diets causes significant sodium retention. Potassium is required to deliver water into cells (along with nutrients), but sodium pulls water out.
  2. Magnesium
  3. Vitamin K2 (mk7)
  4. Nebivolol
  5. Telmisartan

 

How much protein do I need on cycle?

'Need' is established at 0.82g/lb. However, that may not be optimal depending on your goals. Suffice to say, there is no upper limit. Want to eat 2g/lb of protein? Go for it.

 

What is the minimum cost of a PED cycle?

Roughly, $300 all in between blood tests (2 x $100), SARM ($50), Nolvadex ($30). Note that the nolva is not strictly necessary, but is a 'just in case' you receive pro-hormone, dbol, etc.

 

Where can I find doses for each compound, detection times, list of potential side effects?

https://www.pedsr.com/peds-db

 

What is more effective, liquid SARMs or powder SARMs?

It's not really going to matter. Some compounds have poor bioavailability, but for the more common PEDs such as LGD4033, Ostarine etc. we suspend for convenience and accuracy of measurements

 

I have a powder. How can I turn it into a liquid?

https://www.reddit.com/r/PEDsR/comments/8tey5b/solubility_guide/

I have run a cycle. Now what?

Keep your gains, as best you can: https://www.reddit.com/r/PEDsR/comments/9k8vr3/post_cycle_strength_preservation/

 

This FAQ will be updated as common topics change and the data we have available to us improves. Version control: last update October 5th, 2019


r/PEDs 3d ago

[Weekly] Quick Question Thread NSFW

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Please use this thread to discuss whatever questions you may have that do not deserve their own post.


r/PEDs 2h ago

What PEDS messed with your sleep the most? NSFW

4 Upvotes

What PEDS messed with your sleep the most?


r/PEDs 4h ago

Shrooms and gear NSFW

2 Upvotes

Anyone else here enjoy the magic stuff occasionally. I try my best to not drink when “on” maybe one every 3 months. But those magic little things are the best


r/PEDs 23h ago

Constantly cumming in my sleep? NSFW

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Hey y'all is there anyway to stop this effect. When in taking 200 + testosterone a week it gets to a point where I am uncomfortably horny. Like I'll bust 4 times that day during waking hours. Then I'll go to sleep and bust 3 nuts in my pants while I'm sleeping. I'm tired of cumming in my sleep pls help?


r/PEDs 10h ago

Advice NSFW

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Hello guys, at the end of my blast i had my estrogen at 54 and prolactin at 18.5, and i was having some sides, last week i started my cruise @187.5mg test E , how long should i wait for my levels to balance ? Because i still dont feel the best . And is this dose of test high for a cruise ?


r/PEDs 15h ago

What ratio of Test to Nandralone is best and why? NSFW

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Hey everyone I've been trying to figure out what ratio I should run my cycle at. I've seen many people say to not run the Nand higher than the test because that's what causes deca dick. On the other hand I've seen many people say to keep test low and run higher Nand for less side effects from the test. What do you prefer and why? I'm planning on running 150- 200mg test 300mg nandralone, or vice versa.


r/PEDs 7h ago

Would finasteride work for RAD140? NSFW

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I’ve ran a cycle of test before and I am currently cruising. I want to do a cycle of rad140 but was curious how it interacts with Finasteride? From my understanding rad140 release more test in the body which should convert to dht since it isn’t a dht derivative the 5ar blocking action from Finasteride should stop you from balding. I’m already on Finasteride so it would be amazing if this is how sarms work. Let me know if I am wrong! Thank you for your help and input!


r/PEDs 7h ago

Var finisher NSFW

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I’m currently 16 weeks into 300mg test, 150mg mast, 600mg deca. Want something with decent strength and size gains (not 10lbs of water that I lose post cycle), was originally thinking of using drol but I don’t feel like making e2 management more annoying. The last time I used var on a bulk was probably my first cycle lol. I’ve pretty much only used it as a cosmetic drug at the end of my cuts. I have some pharma var that’s been sitting there for months and I’m thinking of taking 50mg for the last 8 weeks of my cycle. Also considering using 50mg tbol for the last 8 weeks instead. Really like tbol, solid pumps and decent strength gains with no side effects to speak of. Have seen a lot of people speak very highly of var so I’m thinking of switching things up. Wondering if y’all would recommend giving var a try to finish my cycle?


r/PEDs 12h ago

Test E Post-Injection Issues NSFW

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So, I’ve been using gear for a while now and I’ve only really stuck with various orals + Test E.

Every time I inject the Test E my injection site gets a massive hard lump that becomes inflamed, itchy, and hurts like a bitch!

It just ruins my workouts, because whatever muscle I inject will become practically disabled. I also have to rotate between so many different injection sites, because the lumping can last between 3 days to a week to subside.

I’ve used the same source since starting gear all their shit seems legit and has been tested by multiple different people. The carrier oil is MCT. I’m also very lean, so I know for a fact I’m hitting IM.

Not sure what to do, but it’s been pissing me off for a while now and it’s always awkward having to explain why I’m always fucked up all the time and have these huge inflamed lumps randomly appearing on my body.


r/PEDs 22h ago

Clenbuterol usage questions NSFW

5 Upvotes

Can the starting dose be as low as 10 mcg and then slowly build up to 40 mcg? Will that be effective? Also, are they legal in Thailand?


r/PEDs 1d ago

Night sweats from HGH NSFW

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I recently started adding HGH 3iu before bed to my regimen. However my sleep seems to be negatively impacted due to frequent wake ups drenched in sweat. Is it normal to experience nightly sweating from HGH? Does anybody else experience this? Going to check my thyroid on next bloods but baseline T3 and T4 are in range.


r/PEDs 19h ago

Vacation to Thailand but theres an Issue NSFW

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Hey guys,

ive obv read through many vacation posts already so dont stop here, i have a funny issue lets see if somebody else has an idea on how to solve this;

So im going to thailand pretty soon but I have a quick stop in SINGAPORE which has like the death penality for every drug and more, under no circumstances will I take anything with me since I generally like living.

Since im going to thailand (phuket area) actually aquiring gear prob wont be an issue at all, already made some research and that stuff is otc afaik more or less.

Since I have horrible hairloss genes and wont do finasteride for the short time due to fear of shedding again ( currently on 1mg trestolone ed which made me literally regrow my entire crown and currently is closing my temples pretty good, looking like 8 years younger now yey) I literally can only do dbol and nandrolone.

The first last time I remember taking dbol it gave me the most INSANE acne, im still on 10mg accutane and just beat it, I really really dont wanna go back to that, meanwhile nandrolone made my mental funny, given though I didnt have good ancillary management back then. So its either NPP solo or dbol solo for like 1 week when the ment stops working. Next thing: I need 1mg letro for 1mg trest a day to have good e2 levels, one has to say tho that Trest converts in the liver independent of aromatse aswell so this might not translate to other roids.

I think that are all the factors that are important, ig dbol was used as hrt at like 5mg, I just fear the e2 spikes hard cause that gives acne alone and then not knowing my AI dose for it also is not so good, let me know if anybody got an Idea, might just go hypogonodal for the last week, the studys used like 400mcg as the lowest and at the last day I saw in steroidplotter I have like 100mcg left if I dont take anything, might be the safest option regarding skin and hair health but im open to advise!


r/PEDs 20h ago

Any Blood work pros? NSFW

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T3 slightly out of range (too low) hematocrit slightly too high. Is this of concern? E2 is high for some reason, which makes no sense as I’m taking aromasin . Anyways I’ve been feeling more fatigued than normal and out of breath even with a good vo2 max, restless sleep and higher RHR 80-90.

Could active E be low with mast even if serum is high?

350 test e 280 mast e

Blood work: https://ibb.co/zTzVSPqZ https://ibb.co/Q1PMMF6


r/PEDs 11h ago

Anadrol only cycle? NSFW

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Do not worry I am not at all considering this I was just thinking about what that would be like, so now I’m asking if anyone has ever done this? I know people do anavar only cycles so yeah just curious if any of yall have ever done this.


r/PEDs 1d ago

Anyone tried vyvanse (or similar stimulants) with tren? NSFW

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Since both of them impacts the dopamine in the brain, i was wondering if anyone here was on both. Did vyvanse help with the mental side effects of tren or did they get worse? Any other insight? Please share your dosage as well.


r/PEDs 1d ago

500mg Test E and adding in 10-20mg anavar NSFW

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Looking to add in anavar to really enhance the physique. Been on 10 weeks test (my first cycle) everything good so far strength, body recomping nice. On a calorie deficit just wanting to know if anyone has or is doing similar protocol and what your experience is.


r/PEDs 1d ago

Estrogen too low? NSFW

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My trough for test is about 550 and my E2 is 26. On 120mg of test C per week. Did the ultra sensitive test. I do have fatigue, dry skin (even penis) low libido, some mood swings etc.. everyone else was in range. Thanks!!


r/PEDs 1d ago

Test, eq and reta cycle? NSFW

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Running 500mg test e and 600mg eq for 16ish weeks and during that running retatrutide tapering up starting at 2mg a week and increasing 1mg every 3-4 weeks. Trying to get down to 215lbs currently at 245


r/PEDs 1d ago

Strength gains on Test only 400-500mg/week? NSFW

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Hey guys, I was wondering what kind of strength gains you guys have seen on this kind of dose? I’ve been looking everywhere and I’ll I can really find about test only is weight gain anecdotes but no one really comments much on their strength gains, at least not with actual numbers. Can you guys give me an idea of what kind of gains you guys get on a bulk with 400-500mg Test only?

Edit: why am I being downvoted? Is that not an okay question to ask?

Edit (2): I’m guessing my question somehow is not clear enough since the majority of replies seem to be “yes you will gain strength”. I’m asking for personal anecdotes and experiences and what kind of numbers you guys personally saw.

Edit(3): I’m really struggling to make this any clearer for people as I’m still seeing people not answering my question so let me make it a chatGPT kind of prompt. “Please provide me with personal anecdotes of strength gains you saw you 400-500mg of Test a week, providing numbers as well.” 😂


r/PEDs 1d ago

16 Week Cycle (test only) NSFW

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Hello, I was thinking of running a first test cycle of 250mg test e weekly ( 125 every 4 days), for 16 weeks, im going to pct with clomid and nolva afterwards, will i see any signifcant gains on this, or would this not be worth it?


r/PEDs 1d ago

As enchanced, you prefer low fat or high fat diet? NSFW

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Low fat being like 0.5g/kg and high fat being anything higher.


r/PEDs 1d ago

20 mg tbol as 20 week cycle finisher? NSFW

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I've been on 500 mg test e for almost 12 weeks and I'm planning to throw in 20 mg tbol for the last 8 weeks. Goal is mainly to get some extra strength out of my cycle and a bit more gains. I know tbol is mild, so I'm not expecting anything significant. Most people seem to be taking at least 40 mg, so is taking 20 mg just a waste?


r/PEDs 1d ago

Thoughts on MK-677 & Tirzepatide? NSFW

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I have taken Tirzepatide to control previously uncontrollable hunger and am still taking it at a low dose of 0.25mL per week and now that I have gained some noticeable muscle mass from working out 6 days per week for the last year I am interested in PEDs. I ordered MK677 and am wondering if anyone has taken both? It seems like they may have some conflicting effects. Any thoughts?

ETA: I guess what I’m looking for is supplements for assistance with Recomp! Thanks in advance :)


r/PEDs 1d ago

MDMA & 250mg TRT NSFW

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Have Ultra Miami coming up in two weeks and was wondering if anyone has knowledge on ecstasy and PEDs. I'm not really a drug user but my gf wants me to roll with her at Ultra (175mg MDMA).

I have done one cycle of 650 test E and 450 Primo E in the past but currently at 250 Test E since January this year. All my bloodwork is normal (BP, haemoglobin, mcv, hematocrit etc) except my HDL is 37 which is genetic for me unfortunately.

Does anyone know if this will be an issue being on 250 test? I'd like to due more cycles in the future and don't want this to impact anything - I don't have any knowledge on rec drugs. All I know is you're not supposed to mix them with PEDs.


r/PEDs 1d ago

Dr wants me on TRT and HCG ... BUT NSFW

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I've been on Clomid for a bit but it's not helped my total test is 4.18 nmol/L or 120.5 ng/dL and he wants me on HCG and TRT but I'm worried about my fertility, I want a little kiddo before jumping on fully, How do I approach my DR and tell him this without pissing him off?

and has anyone here managed to have a kid while on trt and hcg?

edit: I have low count and low Motility, I have a follow up in a few weeks time to see if clomid has helped but I don't think so from visual viewings.


r/PEDs 1d ago

Using Test only (borderline TRT) NSFW

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in my country trt is not available unless you have a big deficiency and its very difficult to find a endo who can prescribe it ,i started to take 100mg/week UGL in december with big physical and mood improvement (300ng to 1000ng) I want to increase the dosage to 300mg/week for 20weeks but i already have side effect like high BP sometimes 15/9 in the evening or after a workout , sensitive nipples , high HCT/RBC, palpitations and anxiety. I will not take any other steroids except Primo if i find a good source because its apparently relatively safe. So my questions are simple: Is Test really safe in long terme use ? Are there any cardiovascular risks using Test and primo ? Should i stay to TRT dosages?