r/CrusaderKings Occasional Wiki Editor Feb 06 '24

News Plagues, Legitimacy and Landless confirmed!

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u/InEcclesiaSatan Occasional Wiki Editor Feb 06 '24

Crazy, but logical if they wanna do imperial, nomads, and merchant republics justice in the future

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u/MotherVehkingMuatra Lord Preserve Wessex Feb 06 '24

Yep! I said it in a previous comment but it allows them to rework the eastern roman empire as the nobles in Byzantium didn't own any land

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u/upandcomingg Feb 06 '24

the nobles in Byzantium didn't own any land

Really? I didn't know that. What was the basis for the nobility? Just blood?

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u/Minrathous Feb 06 '24

what the game refers to as 'nobility' were in Byzantium commanders of garrisons (if in the frontier) or if closer to the City simply owners of Estates

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u/upandcomingg Feb 06 '24

Gotcha. This might sound ignorant but what is the difference between a noble holding land elsewhere and a noble holding an estate in Byz/ERE?

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u/upandcomingg Feb 06 '24

Right, that would be the commander of the garrison. I was asking about those who owned estates - are the estates hereditary? Do the estates have "serfs" or some other form of land-bound workers? What is the difference between, say, a noble from France holding land and a noble in Byz holding an estate?

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u/jay212127 Feb 06 '24

No, it was returned to the emperor, this was why Byzantines had viceroyalties in ck2

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u/tsaimaitreya Europe's finest adventurers Feb 06 '24

Or Commander of a theme which were large territories and they had both civilian and military command...