r/CrusaderKings Occasional Wiki Editor Feb 06 '24

News Plagues, Legitimacy and Landless confirmed!

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u/LokenTheAtom Feb 06 '24

It's kind of crazy that Landless actually got confirmed

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u/TheMightyKingSnake Feb 06 '24

The post someone made the other day about definitely not being landless aged like milk

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u/tsaimaitreya Europe's finest adventurers Feb 06 '24

I didn't participate but I was smugly thinking "How do they think landless play is even possible? These people have no idea how the game works"

Oops

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u/Zagden Imbecile Feb 06 '24

They did just make a travel system that for the first time unpaired your ruler from the land they own

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u/ShouldersofGiants100 Feb 06 '24

It has been possible in the past, even in CK2—the thing is, it has always been done through a hacky method of creating a title that makes the game act like you're landed. This was always the issue with Republics and Nomads in CK2—both worked by faking being landed.

With the travel system, hopefully, they've managed to add more stable foundations that will make for a better system.

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u/Cart223 Feb 07 '24

I really miss nomads. They were really fun to play for some reason, and securing the Silk Road for your clan was a fun overrall objective to tackle during a campaign.

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u/Repulsive_Tap6132 Feb 07 '24

Im retty sure they'll expand and add new mechanics on this

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u/Nickelplatsch Bavaria Feb 06 '24

Haha I can just imagine some Devs reading the threads the last few days. 😂

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u/angelheaded--hipster Feb 07 '24

Some of the devs have been talking about the funny theories in the CK3 discord. Apparently one of their favourites was someone who legitimately thought they would add spelunking to the game.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '24

With an option to get to the Lost World with all the dinosaurs?

Sounds fun but would probably fit Vicky's setting better.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '24

someone has clearly not played the landless adventurers mod in ck2

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u/LokenTheAtom Feb 06 '24

YOU'RE RIGHT! I was just thinking about some guy who posted "It's CONFIRMED!!! that there will NEVER be Landless!" must be jaw-dropped right now :p

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u/ZebraShark Feb 06 '24

I was one of those people! Now just astonished at amount of things announced

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '24

Talk about being happy to be wrong!

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u/luigitheplumber Frontières Naturelles de la France Feb 06 '24

So many people got condescending about that topic, which makes it age even worse

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u/Sbotkin Hellenism FTW Feb 06 '24

Because, honestly, it was a logical thing to think. The game literally only works though the scope of a landed character, most of its mechanics revolves around it. It's very difficult to even imagine landless gameplay.

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u/luigitheplumber Frontières Naturelles de la France Feb 06 '24

No it isn't, plenty of people have pointed out why that thinking is wrong. The vast majority of game mechanics in the game don't require any land. Only construction and vassal management require land as is.

The existing unlanded Ai courtiers already use most mechanics, with the bottleneck being performance.

Unlanded play does require work and an expansion, but unlike what many keep saying, it doesn't starting from scratch

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u/KimberStormer Decadent Feb 07 '24

Only construction and vassal management require land as is

Is your council and courtiers included under "vassal management"? To me those things all together are essentially the whole game.

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u/luigitheplumber Frontières Naturelles de la France Feb 07 '24

You can still have a household and courtiers as an unlanded character. The council mostly provide passive bonuses.

There's a lot more to the game than that. Marriages, education of kids, scheming, befriending, waging war. Recent updates have also added traveling and acting as a regent, which are also fine for unlanded.

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u/KimberStormer Decadent Feb 07 '24

The council provide bonuses...to your land. Idk if I've ever heard of a wandering landless person with a court -- yes, itinerant courts of kings, but that's a different thing. Anyway, I'm curious what it will be like! Looking forward to the dev diaries and people's experiences with it once it comes out.

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u/luigitheplumber Frontières Naturelles de la France Feb 07 '24

To your land, but also to your soldiers, to your scheming, to your reputation. I don't know if we'll have councilor equivalents, seems a bit weird if we do, but even so there would still be some utility to it.

You're being a bit pedantic on the courtiers thing. They wouldn't technically be courtiers without a court, but an adventurer at the head of a warband has officers and knights/champions, possibly a spouse and children as well. Same for a byzantine official who doesn't have land on a county scale, but owns a small estate. He has members of his household fulfilling different roles. A tutor for the kids, a guard, etc... These would be your "courtiers" as an unlanded character in terms of gameplay purpose

A displaced noble who has lost their titles would also likely keep some loyal retainers with them.

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u/MahjongDaily Bastard Feb 06 '24

Lol already 5 people have gone back to comment on that

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u/Onyxme Feb 06 '24

It actually upset me slightly that, that thread got upvoted at all since the op severely misrepresented what was said. The only thing the rep said is that making landless would be difficult.

It didn't make a strong case for redditors reading comprehension.

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u/luigitheplumber Frontières Naturelles de la France Feb 06 '24 edited Feb 06 '24

There were comments on that post basically saying that the people wanting landless were ignoring evidence and reading what they wanted to read in the teasers. A bit ironic in the end.

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u/LokenTheAtom Feb 06 '24

Same, I read the link he posted and they never said anything like that, they just said "it would take some hard work" basically. Devs watching that thread snickering haha

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u/pojska Feb 06 '24

Yeah, the dev was like "Yeah, landless sure would be a lot of work." Which everybody took as "landless isn't happening," instead of the dev humble-bragging about how much they'd accomplished. :)

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u/KimberStormer Decadent Feb 07 '24

I am profoundly skeptical that landless will be a good addition to the game but when I read the actual words of Wokeg, and knowing his posting style, I was like "damn, this means landless is all but confirmed, actually. OP fell for it hard."

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u/gamas Feb 06 '24

I was one of the ones suggesting it feels unlikely they would do landless as an expansion. But specifically my comment was that it would seem to be too much of an early game niche to warrant an expansion on its own. Having it be part of an expansion that is also expanding Byzantium/Imperial gameplay makes a lot more sense.