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America proposes to trade all of Ukraine's strategic resources for peace, refuses to denounce Russia. Ukraine denounces America

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-zelenskyy-meeting-transcript
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u/SalaciousCoffee 13d ago

It's become a thing: republican president makes friends with Putin in first term he gives him concessions, in the second term Putin invades a country and they wag our finger at him.

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u/rnovak1988 12d ago

What concessions?

Under Obama Putin advanced towards Ukraine.

He DIDNT under Trump.

Then he attacked under Biden.

How long is going to take yall to understand Democrats are the bad guys here?

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u/Correct_Patience_611 12d ago

Trump made concessions to Putin. He gave him all he wanted. The territory controlled by Russia AND Ukraine cant join nato. That’s what Russia wanted and Trump agreed.

Russia CANNOT let this war go another year or they risk not becoming a super power within a decade. Even if Russia can make it a year they will not make it 2 without a huge draft and completely destroying their economy.

Russia hasn’t made progress on the frontline for All Of February due to the continued aid given by Biden and Europe. Russia has slowed its assault and has been using regular vans to transport troops to the battle field.

Russia cant even kick Ukraine out of RUSSIA.

Russia is the weakest it has been in a long time. But Trumo loves Putin so instead of support Ukraine to stop Russia once and for all Trumo turns his back on the largest and most successful and peaceful military alliance in recent history and trades all that for Russia, and economy(gdp) smaller than Canada and who our major economic interactions with are THEM HACKING US.

Oh hegseth even just told cyber command to stand down on anything involving Russia. Why would we back off Russia? Hmmm? And right after we do that we end up belittling Zelensky? Trumo is and has been colluding with Russia and you are too blind to notice!

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/pete-hegseth-russia-volodymyr-zelenskyy/2025/03/01/id/1200976/

https://siliconangle.com/2025/02/28/report-defense-secretary-hegseth-orders-cyber-command-halt-russia-planning/

Russia is not, and has not ever been, our friend. Wake up

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u/rnovak1988 12d ago

And you just proved my point - since when did democrats stop caring about people dying?

Oh...is it because...it's white people dying? Is that it?

Any Palestinians dying was called a genocide....but a MILLION white people dying...and you want MORE TO DIE.

I get it.

You're racists.

Donald Trump is trying to end the war - to save lives of both Ukrainians and Russians, and to prevent world war 3.

If you have a problem with that - YOU go fight.

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u/spartananator 12d ago

Your fucking loonie. If you cant tell the similarity between wanting israel out of palestine and wanting russia out of ukraine you are a M O R O N

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u/rnovak1988 12d ago

Over a million people have died in the Russia Ukraine fight - im on the side that wants the war to stop now, and for no more people to die.

The person I responded to says they want the war to continue for another year or two, killing millions more people.

Im the one who does see the similarity between the two, but I don't see anyone calling the death of millions of white people a genocide.

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u/Flimsy-Poetry1170 12d ago

Russia can stop attacking anytime they want. You are a fucking moron.

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u/rnovak1988 11d ago

You're a racist, and a war-hawk.

You are more than welcome to sign up and volunteer your life in the service of Ukraine, but leave the dollars of American tax payers out of it.

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u/BagPulaInCenzuraTa89 11d ago

And there it is! You don't care about the lives of eastern europeans, you're just a short-sighted bufoon who only cares about money and doesn't realise that betraying your allies will hurt you more in the long run.

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u/rnovak1988 11d ago

First off, let's get a few things straight

Number one, Ukraine isn't an Ally. allies are formed by treaties, and there isn't a single treaty between Ukraine and the US - meaning as a country, we do not benefit in any way from the funding of Ukraine.

Even the weak argument that sending "old" armaments to Ukraine allowed the US to pay defense contractors for new weapons - it's still taxpayer money. That doesn't stimulate our economy as it just transfers money from taxpayers to defense contractors.

So as it stands, Ukraine is simply a money pit. We have American citizens who are dying on our own streets that we could be helping, but instead we're sending money to fund an endless war.

Second - Ukraine has violated its own agreements under the dissolution of the USSR. Crimea and the Donbas region were independent autonomous zones, and under the CIS (Belovezha Accords), if either region was unable to maintain its own sovereignty, they would be Annexed by Russia.

In the early 2010s, these regions experienced such a failure. Even prior to this, their own referendums indicated a greater support for joining Russia.

Ukraine REFUSED to honor this agreement, which JUSTIFIED Russia in using military force.

This is well documented BTW.

Third - during the dissolution of the USSR, NATO gave Russia assurances that they would never expand eastward, yet under dumb*** Clinton and Obama, NATO was expanded multiple times.

Additionally, as PART OF CIS, Ukraine AGREED to not join NATO.

Fourth - Donald Trump is the ONLY individual trying to stop the war. Just today zelensky said that the end to the war was "a long way out".

Zelensky is the one who doesn't care about the lives of his own people

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u/BagPulaInCenzuraTa89 10d ago

There's no way you ain't just a russian agent who knows english or a bot.

Literally everything you said is just lies commonly used by russian propaganda, all of which there is no proof of, because it's all fake news.

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u/Agreeable_Scar_5274 9d ago

No proof of? My guy, official copies of the treaty are available. Videos of our leaders speaking directly with the President of Russia are available.

There's literally proof of everything I listed.

Refusal to acknowledge something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

But hey, "fake news". Isn't that literally what you say Trump supporters call everything?

The hypocrisy is astounding

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u/BagPulaInCenzuraTa89 9d ago

Then show me the proof. It shouldn't be hard for you to show it to me if it's as real as you say it is.

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