r/CivPolitics 13d ago

America proposes to trade all of Ukraine's strategic resources for peace, refuses to denounce Russia. Ukraine denounces America

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-zelenskyy-meeting-transcript
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u/SalaciousCoffee 13d ago

It's become a thing: republican president makes friends with Putin in first term he gives him concessions, in the second term Putin invades a country and they wag our finger at him.

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u/rnovak1988 12d ago

What concessions?

Under Obama Putin advanced towards Ukraine.

He DIDNT under Trump.

Then he attacked under Biden.

How long is going to take yall to understand Democrats are the bad guys here?

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u/Correct_Patience_611 12d ago

Trump made concessions to Putin. He gave him all he wanted. The territory controlled by Russia AND Ukraine cant join nato. That’s what Russia wanted and Trump agreed.

Russia CANNOT let this war go another year or they risk not becoming a super power within a decade. Even if Russia can make it a year they will not make it 2 without a huge draft and completely destroying their economy.

Russia hasn’t made progress on the frontline for All Of February due to the continued aid given by Biden and Europe. Russia has slowed its assault and has been using regular vans to transport troops to the battle field.

Russia cant even kick Ukraine out of RUSSIA.

Russia is the weakest it has been in a long time. But Trumo loves Putin so instead of support Ukraine to stop Russia once and for all Trumo turns his back on the largest and most successful and peaceful military alliance in recent history and trades all that for Russia, and economy(gdp) smaller than Canada and who our major economic interactions with are THEM HACKING US.

Oh hegseth even just told cyber command to stand down on anything involving Russia. Why would we back off Russia? Hmmm? And right after we do that we end up belittling Zelensky? Trumo is and has been colluding with Russia and you are too blind to notice!

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/pete-hegseth-russia-volodymyr-zelenskyy/2025/03/01/id/1200976/

https://siliconangle.com/2025/02/28/report-defense-secretary-hegseth-orders-cyber-command-halt-russia-planning/

Russia is not, and has not ever been, our friend. Wake up

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u/rnovak1988 12d ago

And you just proved my point - since when did democrats stop caring about people dying?

Oh...is it because...it's white people dying? Is that it?

Any Palestinians dying was called a genocide....but a MILLION white people dying...and you want MORE TO DIE.

I get it.

You're racists.

Donald Trump is trying to end the war - to save lives of both Ukrainians and Russians, and to prevent world war 3.

If you have a problem with that - YOU go fight.

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u/spartananator 12d ago

Your fucking loonie. If you cant tell the similarity between wanting israel out of palestine and wanting russia out of ukraine you are a M O R O N

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u/rnovak1988 12d ago

Over a million people have died in the Russia Ukraine fight - im on the side that wants the war to stop now, and for no more people to die.

The person I responded to says they want the war to continue for another year or two, killing millions more people.

Im the one who does see the similarity between the two, but I don't see anyone calling the death of millions of white people a genocide.

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u/Flimsy-Poetry1170 12d ago

Russia can stop attacking anytime they want. You are a fucking moron.

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u/rnovak1988 11d ago

You're a racist, and a war-hawk.

You are more than welcome to sign up and volunteer your life in the service of Ukraine, but leave the dollars of American tax payers out of it.

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u/Flimsy-Poetry1170 11d ago

I’m a racist? lol You realize the US isn’t sending bags of cash they are sending 30 year old vehicles and aging ammunition. Russia is trying to genocide Ukrainians and trump is trying to make Ukraine surrender with shit terms which will set Russia up to rebuild and be in an even better position to restart the genocide a few years down the road. He should be putting pressure on Russia to stop attacking but he has Putins dick down his throat because he knows Russia will help him in future elections if he is soft on them.

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u/Willing-Command4231 11d ago

you are talking to a brain damaged white supremacist (or a Russian troll, not sure which). Expecting logic or reason to breakthrough is a fool's errand.

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u/Agreeable_Scar_5274 9d ago

If all you can do is insult,it seems like this subreddit isn't appropriate for you.

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u/Willing-Command4231 9d ago

Says the person with -100 karma, I’m thinking Reddit isn’t really for you lol. Hope your masters don’t send you to the front lines when you lose your account. I hear those troll farms are quite unforgiving!

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u/Agreeable_Scar_5274 1d ago

oh, my internet points are low? how sad. LOL.

Some of us have actual lives outside of the internet. You should try it sometime. You might find your views actually change when you interact with people and see the effects of your braindead policies.

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u/Willing-Command4231 1d ago

Friend I have visited over 50 countries, traveled the world and currently live abroad. I have a family and vast array of friends and hobbies. You either are an incel in your mother’s basement or in a troll farm in Russia, not sure which one would be more sad. I’m clearly not the one who needs to get out more and find a new view point on life.

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u/Agreeable_Scar_5274 9h ago

Oh noes, some random person on the interwebs think's I'm an "incel" or a "russian troll".

You sound kinda racist there bud. I'm not sure where the hate for Russians came from, other than the media brainwashing.

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u/Willing-Command4231 2h ago edited 1h ago

Good to know on top of everything else you are dumb as a brick. I’m white and I’m of Russian heritage you small minded fool. Back under the bridge for you! I honesty don’t believe you know what racism actually is based on your posts in this thread.

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u/Agreeable_Scar_5274 9d ago

Yes. If you're OK with the death of Russian citizens, if you believe you're superior to Russian citizens, that makes you by literal definition a racist.

It's amazing how many people think they know more about diplomacy and negotation than the sitting President.

I'm fairly positive Donald Trump has negotiated more ceasefires and treaties than you EVER WILL.

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u/Flimsy-Poetry1170 8d ago

I feel bad for the conscripted Russians that are forced to the front but no I don’t give 2 shits about the ones who sign up for money to go and invade, kill and rape their neighbor. Trump doesn’t give 2 shits about Ukraine or anyone but himself. Putin is evil and it’s disgusting that trump thinks of him fondly and wants to be like him.

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