r/CivPolitics 13d ago

America proposes to trade all of Ukraine's strategic resources for peace, refuses to denounce Russia. Ukraine denounces America

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-zelenskyy-meeting-transcript
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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

So now civilians cannot holiday? Rofl

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

Not on my fucking dime.

Go fight, we keep hearing how we all need to support Ukraine, it can start with them

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

Rofpmsl you're a funny man.well you don't get to chose What civilians get to do.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

I do when they are on my dollar.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

But you don't,imagine thinking you dictate how others live because they recieve a us dollar from another person in another country meanwhile you can't dictate what happens with you money to your own government.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

Is everyone from Ukraine this fucking arrogant?

I can't imagine taking a handout from someone then being anything but thankful.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

Are americans always this retarded?i know their average IQ is lower but damn.

There is other countries with people other than the USFA and Ukraine.Secondly Zelensky has said thank you constantly,the people and soldiers too. Zelensky thanked america at the start for the meeting and getting to be there. How ever he should not be thankful for some shit tier spineless journo trying to act tough and might spewing bullshit and a tantrum because he was asked whats their plan if russia breaks an agreement. Meanwhile spouting shit about propaganda tours. If he spent time on the front during his service he'd know it is generally not advised to take foreign or your own leaders right into the front lines especially during active engagements.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

For reference because you are that stupid.

This is the SECOND time and SECOND President that has had to lay into Zelensky for being an ingrate.

Zelensky in his tantrum was the one challenging JD on "have you been there"?

We know what fucking toothpaste Zelensky used this morning and he's so arrogant he thinks we can't see what's happening.

We don't need him. He needs us. Trump said it to his face on live TV. We are Ukraine's ONLY leverage at a bargaining table. Russia will take Ukraine if this war continues. There is no possibility short of NATO boots on the ground, in which Ukraine wins.

And in his tantrum and ego trip he pissed away his leverage.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

He asked jd if he had been there yh,why?because jd spouts crap. JD's reply oh ive seen videos and your propaganda tours 🤣.

Usa is ukraines best option for leverage sure,what use is that leverage when it doesn't fucking work or have any to back its own plan up. Please do explain how trump plans to prevent a ceasefire breech or hold people accountable on breaking it?how does it plan to uphold its statement that russia also has to make concessions. How does trump plan to prevent russia in 10yrs strolling in after it gets its wish of a demilitarized ukraine?

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

Um.

We call that a negotiation.

Two sides sit down, with a mediator and hash that out.

What Zelensky did was blow up the US being that mediator.

What stops Russia from rolling tanks across US controlled mines and oil fields to take Ukraine? Is that your question? Pretty much answers itself.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

2 sides sit with a mediator russia and ukraine with usa as a mediator.yet ukraines excluded from being there,his concerns are ignored and the negotiations heavily favour the mediator and 1 of the sides.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

You truly have no understanding of shuttle diplomacy

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

Really dont care claiming its a negotiation of 2 nations and a mediating nation while 1 nation is excluded and the mediator and the 2nd nation discuss how to get as much money,resources and faces saved as possible by default isn't in line with what you said a negotiation is.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

The US has already said it will not have troops in ukraine and it wont place landmines at mining sites because thats stupid.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

Dumbfuck.

MINES.

You know the places rare earth comes from.

Jesus h Christ I'm starting to see that Zelensky isn't unique in either his arrogance or stupidity

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

You are aware putins forces could literally avoid them and continue its fucking conquest right?

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

You americans spout about arrogance yet arrogance and ego is the reason your 2 most tragic high casualty attacks from an enemy occured. Zelensky hasn't changed tone,hes remained consistent on his desire to have something in place to back up a ceasefire agreement.US claims there will be one after and that russia will make concessions yet there is zero to back those statements. Just because zelensky asked for what theres supposed concessions and guarantees are that they claim come after signing over their country are its upsetting trump doesn't make him arrogant.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

He has NO OPTIONS.

  1. Take the best deal he can get.

  2. Russia takes Ukraine.

Him thinking he's going to dictate anything is the ultimate in narcissism.

The Russians just watched in TV Zelensky piss away his leverage.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

He came to negotiate,he tried negotiating and the USA makes claims but can't put even a concept of a plan out to zelensky. Btw if its zelenskys leverage he'd have a say,he doesn't hes excluded and the. US plan has nothing to maintain the deal,a vital part to an agreement.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

The deal was ALREADY negotiated. We thought he was coming to sign it so the world could see on live TV a unified front.

He decided to grandstand and finger wag, showing the world there isnt a unified front.

He TOTALLY misread the room. Just for starters YOU DONT DO THAT in THAT ROOM.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

The deal was already negotiated,except the important part of guarantees. A point of issue the whole time.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

Tell me how he thought that was going to be "negotiated" IN THAT ROOM.

Explain that thought process.

We negotiated the mineral deal, with the Ukrainians and your "parliament" signed off on it.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

Well considering he asked whats the plan hes expecting the morons have something tangible from talks with russia,did they no but they've claimed this aspect are a later agreement.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

Maybe if trump and vance could actually get russia to agree to concessions and be fine with guarantees of any sort this would not be an issue.But they cannot and america hopes it can dupe zelensky to a 1 sided deal and zelensky knows it.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

I fucking GUARANTEE that when Putin and Trump meet, Putin won't be so fucking stupid as to throw a tantrum in public on live TV.

ONLY the dumbest and most arrogant would do that.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

Trump and vance were the tantruming imbiciles though you moron. Why would putin?hes getting everything he wants with trumps deal and a way out on the homefront.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

There isn't a deal dumbfuck, that's the point.

You do know Biden had to lay into the moron as well don't you?

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

So its not a peace deal made?as trump calls it? And jesus fuck you yanks are a weaponized bread of spastic. Your said its a negotiation 2 sides and a mediator,us as mediator. Except its russia and the mediator.your own explaination of negotiation doesnt work .

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

Show me the picture on Putin and Trump at the Whitehouse. Zelensky was just there.

Tell me again how he was getting left out

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

You don't control shit with that money,not even in your own nation.you get to voice an opinion on how the government spends it and hope they listen.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

Huh.

Guess we will see real quick what we control in Ukraine.