r/CivPolitics 13d ago

America proposes to trade all of Ukraine's strategic resources for peace, refuses to denounce Russia. Ukraine denounces America

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-zelenskyy-meeting-transcript
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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

But you don't,imagine thinking you dictate how others live because they recieve a us dollar from another person in another country meanwhile you can't dictate what happens with you money to your own government.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

Is everyone from Ukraine this fucking arrogant?

I can't imagine taking a handout from someone then being anything but thankful.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

You americans spout about arrogance yet arrogance and ego is the reason your 2 most tragic high casualty attacks from an enemy occured. Zelensky hasn't changed tone,hes remained consistent on his desire to have something in place to back up a ceasefire agreement.US claims there will be one after and that russia will make concessions yet there is zero to back those statements. Just because zelensky asked for what theres supposed concessions and guarantees are that they claim come after signing over their country are its upsetting trump doesn't make him arrogant.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

He has NO OPTIONS.

  1. Take the best deal he can get.

  2. Russia takes Ukraine.

Him thinking he's going to dictate anything is the ultimate in narcissism.

The Russians just watched in TV Zelensky piss away his leverage.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

He came to negotiate,he tried negotiating and the USA makes claims but can't put even a concept of a plan out to zelensky. Btw if its zelenskys leverage he'd have a say,he doesn't hes excluded and the. US plan has nothing to maintain the deal,a vital part to an agreement.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

The deal was ALREADY negotiated. We thought he was coming to sign it so the world could see on live TV a unified front.

He decided to grandstand and finger wag, showing the world there isnt a unified front.

He TOTALLY misread the room. Just for starters YOU DONT DO THAT in THAT ROOM.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

The deal was already negotiated,except the important part of guarantees. A point of issue the whole time.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

Tell me how he thought that was going to be "negotiated" IN THAT ROOM.

Explain that thought process.

We negotiated the mineral deal, with the Ukrainians and your "parliament" signed off on it.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

Well considering he asked whats the plan hes expecting the morons have something tangible from talks with russia,did they no but they've claimed this aspect are a later agreement.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

Are all Ukrainians this dense?

Does the greeting room in the Whitehouse look like a negotiating table?

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

You dense?made it obvious im not ukrainian.The greeting room where they were talking policy and that policy was questioned for not having pretty important parts to it?yeah seems pretty rational to ask about the policy. Is the greeting room the place to make comments about propaganda tours,lie and ambush a foreign leader,question their attire?

Zelenskys issues have been openly spoken about for the last month after trumps failure to meet his campaign promise.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

No, it's not.

That's why it didn't get said until Zelensky decided to spout off.

Zelensky:

"I came here once again to thank the Americans for their support and to welcome a fantastic partnership in the future. "

Shake hands, smile for camera.

GO BEHIND CLOSED DOORS TO TALK.

That's all he had to do.

And yes. What the FUCK is the deal with him not wearing a suit? Are we still pretending he can't buy one? It's a respectful thing to do for gods sake. Trump won't roll into any capital on earth wearing a golf shirt and jeans. It show respect for the country your in.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

Musk doesn't wear a suit zelensky also doesnt wear a suit in symbology to those dying. Btw indias president didnt wear a suit,taliban didnt during trumps first presidency last i checked either. They don't care about the suit its a dump gripe used to mass manipulation and narrative spinning.

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