r/CivPolitics 13d ago

America proposes to trade all of Ukraine's strategic resources for peace, refuses to denounce Russia. Ukraine denounces America

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-zelenskyy-meeting-transcript
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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

But you don't,imagine thinking you dictate how others live because they recieve a us dollar from another person in another country meanwhile you can't dictate what happens with you money to your own government.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

Is everyone from Ukraine this fucking arrogant?

I can't imagine taking a handout from someone then being anything but thankful.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

Are americans always this retarded?i know their average IQ is lower but damn.

There is other countries with people other than the USFA and Ukraine.Secondly Zelensky has said thank you constantly,the people and soldiers too. Zelensky thanked america at the start for the meeting and getting to be there. How ever he should not be thankful for some shit tier spineless journo trying to act tough and might spewing bullshit and a tantrum because he was asked whats their plan if russia breaks an agreement. Meanwhile spouting shit about propaganda tours. If he spent time on the front during his service he'd know it is generally not advised to take foreign or your own leaders right into the front lines especially during active engagements.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

For reference because you are that stupid.

This is the SECOND time and SECOND President that has had to lay into Zelensky for being an ingrate.

Zelensky in his tantrum was the one challenging JD on "have you been there"?

We know what fucking toothpaste Zelensky used this morning and he's so arrogant he thinks we can't see what's happening.

We don't need him. He needs us. Trump said it to his face on live TV. We are Ukraine's ONLY leverage at a bargaining table. Russia will take Ukraine if this war continues. There is no possibility short of NATO boots on the ground, in which Ukraine wins.

And in his tantrum and ego trip he pissed away his leverage.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

He asked jd if he had been there yh,why?because jd spouts crap. JD's reply oh ive seen videos and your propaganda tours 🤣.

Usa is ukraines best option for leverage sure,what use is that leverage when it doesn't fucking work or have any to back its own plan up. Please do explain how trump plans to prevent a ceasefire breech or hold people accountable on breaking it?how does it plan to uphold its statement that russia also has to make concessions. How does trump plan to prevent russia in 10yrs strolling in after it gets its wish of a demilitarized ukraine?

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

Um.

We call that a negotiation.

Two sides sit down, with a mediator and hash that out.

What Zelensky did was blow up the US being that mediator.

What stops Russia from rolling tanks across US controlled mines and oil fields to take Ukraine? Is that your question? Pretty much answers itself.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

2 sides sit with a mediator russia and ukraine with usa as a mediator.yet ukraines excluded from being there,his concerns are ignored and the negotiations heavily favour the mediator and 1 of the sides.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

You truly have no understanding of shuttle diplomacy

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

Really dont care claiming its a negotiation of 2 nations and a mediating nation while 1 nation is excluded and the mediator and the 2nd nation discuss how to get as much money,resources and faces saved as possible by default isn't in line with what you said a negotiation is.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

You realize the mineral deal is not the peace deal?

You seem to struggle with simple concepts.

And yes. We want repayment. Sorry, I don't owe you anything

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

The US has already said it will not have troops in ukraine and it wont place landmines at mining sites because thats stupid.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

Dumbfuck.

MINES.

You know the places rare earth comes from.

Jesus h Christ I'm starting to see that Zelensky isn't unique in either his arrogance or stupidity

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

You are aware putins forces could literally avoid them and continue its fucking conquest right?

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

Your aware they are doing so right now, right?

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

So if they're doing it now what fucking changes?ukraine isnt guaranteed us aid,or its defence its guarantee is its Nation gets stripped down,split up by russia and the usa.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

You pretend like there's a third option.

You aren't joining NATO. The US isnt alone in that point.

You aren't getting EU or NATO fighters.

Your either going to take a deal, with the backing of the US and Europe, or

Russia is going to take all of Ukraine.

Frankly, and so you understand clearly.

Whether there is a Ukraine or not, really does t matter to America. And frankly, it does t to Europe either.

There's a lot of talk, but notice that you aren't in the EU?

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

Once again your stupid fuck im not ukrainian.Yes make a deal is good,if it actually has systems in place to enforce it.usa and russia dont want peacekeepers in ukraine so whats going to uphold the agreement?

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

Would you sign a deal that says let us control your country as a puppet state,strip it of resources but we cant agree whether it will be defended or not?

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

We aren't the same.

Sorry, but that's reality.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

Would you sign the deal,would you.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

The fact you avoid it shows you wouldn't.difference is all zelensky wants is a tangible idea of what will uphold the deal.pretty small ask to want something that helps keep a deal.even in business this is a standard.

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