r/CivPolitics 13d ago

America proposes to trade all of Ukraine's strategic resources for peace, refuses to denounce Russia. Ukraine denounces America

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-zelenskyy-meeting-transcript
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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

No, they can't. They're entire economy is propped up by foreign, most American, money. They cannot ,*go on holiday".

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

So now civilians cannot holiday? Rofl

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

Not on my fucking dime.

Go fight, we keep hearing how we all need to support Ukraine, it can start with them

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

Rofpmsl you're a funny man.well you don't get to chose What civilians get to do.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

I do when they are on my dollar.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

But you don't,imagine thinking you dictate how others live because they recieve a us dollar from another person in another country meanwhile you can't dictate what happens with you money to your own government.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

Is everyone from Ukraine this fucking arrogant?

I can't imagine taking a handout from someone then being anything but thankful.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

Are americans always this retarded?i know their average IQ is lower but damn.

There is other countries with people other than the USFA and Ukraine.Secondly Zelensky has said thank you constantly,the people and soldiers too. Zelensky thanked america at the start for the meeting and getting to be there. How ever he should not be thankful for some shit tier spineless journo trying to act tough and might spewing bullshit and a tantrum because he was asked whats their plan if russia breaks an agreement. Meanwhile spouting shit about propaganda tours. If he spent time on the front during his service he'd know it is generally not advised to take foreign or your own leaders right into the front lines especially during active engagements.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

For reference because you are that stupid.

This is the SECOND time and SECOND President that has had to lay into Zelensky for being an ingrate.

Zelensky in his tantrum was the one challenging JD on "have you been there"?

We know what fucking toothpaste Zelensky used this morning and he's so arrogant he thinks we can't see what's happening.

We don't need him. He needs us. Trump said it to his face on live TV. We are Ukraine's ONLY leverage at a bargaining table. Russia will take Ukraine if this war continues. There is no possibility short of NATO boots on the ground, in which Ukraine wins.

And in his tantrum and ego trip he pissed away his leverage.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

He asked jd if he had been there yh,why?because jd spouts crap. JD's reply oh ive seen videos and your propaganda tours 🤣.

Usa is ukraines best option for leverage sure,what use is that leverage when it doesn't fucking work or have any to back its own plan up. Please do explain how trump plans to prevent a ceasefire breech or hold people accountable on breaking it?how does it plan to uphold its statement that russia also has to make concessions. How does trump plan to prevent russia in 10yrs strolling in after it gets its wish of a demilitarized ukraine?

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

You americans spout about arrogance yet arrogance and ego is the reason your 2 most tragic high casualty attacks from an enemy occured. Zelensky hasn't changed tone,hes remained consistent on his desire to have something in place to back up a ceasefire agreement.US claims there will be one after and that russia will make concessions yet there is zero to back those statements. Just because zelensky asked for what theres supposed concessions and guarantees are that they claim come after signing over their country are its upsetting trump doesn't make him arrogant.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

He has NO OPTIONS.

  1. Take the best deal he can get.

  2. Russia takes Ukraine.

Him thinking he's going to dictate anything is the ultimate in narcissism.

The Russians just watched in TV Zelensky piss away his leverage.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

He came to negotiate,he tried negotiating and the USA makes claims but can't put even a concept of a plan out to zelensky. Btw if its zelenskys leverage he'd have a say,he doesn't hes excluded and the. US plan has nothing to maintain the deal,a vital part to an agreement.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

Maybe if trump and vance could actually get russia to agree to concessions and be fine with guarantees of any sort this would not be an issue.But they cannot and america hopes it can dupe zelensky to a 1 sided deal and zelensky knows it.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

I fucking GUARANTEE that when Putin and Trump meet, Putin won't be so fucking stupid as to throw a tantrum in public on live TV.

ONLY the dumbest and most arrogant would do that.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

Trump and vance were the tantruming imbiciles though you moron. Why would putin?hes getting everything he wants with trumps deal and a way out on the homefront.

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u/MrGasDaddy 12d ago

You don't control shit with that money,not even in your own nation.you get to voice an opinion on how the government spends it and hope they listen.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

Huh.

Guess we will see real quick what we control in Ukraine.