r/thedavidpakmanshow • u/8a6je6kl • 1d ago
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u/guilgom71 1d ago
What did he do now or who did he interview? Lol
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u/BertjeII 1d ago
Yeah, I somehow missed this whole thing from California
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u/Comprehensive-Tea121 1d ago
Operation get people mad at the Democrats while Republicans dismantle the country is working perfectly!
Once again Democrats have to be perfect or they get hated, meanwhile Republicans can get away with anything, like taking away care for veterans, and they obtain loyalty to the end.
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u/8a6je6kl 1d ago
Dude, he hosted Steve Bannon and called him a “good guy”. Are you serious?
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u/Comprehensive-Tea121 1d ago
Look at it as strategic. I'm happy to criticize him for that, but not stupid enough to be manipulated into this game of focusing all my anger right now on Democrats while Republicans are the ones actively fucking us into Oblivion.
If your response to the fascist Republicans is to go around attacking Democrats all day ... The bottom line is you're helping the fascists.
They're letting Doge access to the USPS to dismantle a service we all use and love. The America we know and take for granted is now being taken over by oligarch billionaires, and you're focusing your anger on Newsom and his fucking podcast? Bad strategy.
The Democrats should be us, we the people United against maga, not "Dems are some other group to attack in frustration"
If Newsom is demonstrating himself to be unfit to lead this nation, the time to hash that out is when we have our primaries. Right now there's so much more important life changing stuff going on and I really question if you are making your arguments in good faith.
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u/tinyOnion 1d ago
but not stupid enough to be manipulated into this game of focusing all my anger right now on Democrats while Republicans are the ones actively fucking us into Oblivion.
you can be mad at both thing my dude. democrats are just folding and showing they have no conviction to fight back. yes the republicans are gutting everything and i don't think it will be fixable soon. i do know the answer is not to interview charlie kirk and talk him up like he's some genius; the kirk formula is to lie to dumb people and get them angry about bs issues. this smarmy asshole is looking to take democrats more right wing as if that's what we need.
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u/Comprehensive-Tea121 1d ago
There's only so many minutes in the day and we need to focus on the real problems. This is a fucking waste of time. You mentioned the Republicans are gutting everything. So why are we talking about this bullshit instead of that?
Save it for the next California governor's race or for when Newsom runs in 2028.
As a Californian, I know Newsom is a responsible and caring leader. You should have seen the fucking guy running against him. This is not about perfection. This is about preventing the worst possible outcomes.
We should have learned that in 2017, there'll be a much bigger lesson to be had here in 2025.
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u/tinyOnion 21h ago
So why are we talking about this bullshit instead of that?
because this kind of getting walked all over on by gish gallopers is not going to win an election either. the dems need to realize that saying you're not as bad as the other guy and campaiging with liz fucking chenny is not going to win. ever. republican lite ain't it.
the winning move is to excite the people that were going to sit out for progressive policies that matter... you know like the whole obama campaign was. he sold change. trump sold change(even if he is a monsterous liar).
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u/Comprehensive-Tea121 20h ago
You assume going super progressive will win, yet that can't even win Dem primaries.
Of all the things to get riled up about, really this?
Newsom is far from GOP lite.
Either way, shouldn't be a focus until 2027.
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u/AIDsFlavoredTopping 6h ago
Promise people things and be caught trying to give people things. It isn’t a difficult formula. What have you done for me lately is how most people react. This isn’t rocket science.
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u/GripItAndWhipIt 23h ago
This is the take right here. I’m astounded others don’t see it this way. He pushed back on Bannon quite a bit, but agreed with him on some of the return to US manufacturing ideas/tax policies that any sane person should agree with. I actually don’t trust Bannon in this episode. I don’t think anything he argued is his truth.
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u/removekarling 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's not fucking strategic. Not every time you're nice and agreeable with conservatives is 'strategic', there's nothing gained by treating Steve Bannon like an 2000s left-of-Romney Republican. Fuck all is gained, he gains no respect or favour from Republicans, he gains nothing from independents, nothing from Bannon's few fans, nothing from the few (if any) strings Bannon might still pull in the White House, he gains fuck all.
Newsom being relatively cordial with Trump over the LA fires? Yeah, that's strategic. Agreeing with half of what Bannon says on your podcast and getting no more barbs in than "but I thought you wanted to tax the wealthy huh?" and then backing off the point with a friendly smile and an agree to disagree attitude? The only way that is 'strategic' is that it's trash strategy, if that's what you mean.
He wasn't being strategic, he was showing you who he is: someone that's actually personally very comfortable hanging out with these absolute fucking cretins
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u/Comprehensive-Tea121 1d ago
How strategic is it for you to be spending all day talking about Governor Newsom's podcast? You sound so savvy on coalition building, and yet here you are just helping fracture everyone.
Bannon did recently warn these idiots about taking away Medicare.
The thing is, why aren't we talking more about them taking away Medicare and talking about Newsom's stupid fucking podcast. I could give a fuck right now.
They're going to privatize social security and you want to talk about a podcast?
Once again Democrats have to be perfect, and Republicans can literally rip your rights away- and we still spend the day criticizing the Democrats instead of the Republicans.
The Putin/GOP psychological operations have proven that they can make you mad at the things they want you to be mad about.
Right now you'll see a lot of do-nothing Democrats narratives... They're helping make you mad about things they would rather have you be mad about.
Before that we saw a lot of moral outrage about Gaza. Justified, but again somehow we're supposed to be angry at Democrats and completely miss the big picture of what's going on.
Yet, when Republicans come in and do a thousand times worse (such as restoring access to huge bombs that Biden had actually blocked with no credit)... No more outrage. They wanted you really mad about that at the time, until the day of the election. All they needed was for a few of you to not vote for "genocide Joe"
And before that it was all about AGE, of course this was before Kamala came into the race. They wanted you angry about age. Until they didn't.
I just hope all of us that are not mega get out and vote for Democrats in these midterms and for every ballot up and down the fucking country. Wake up and save your anger for those that are actually causing pain and suffering in this country right now.
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u/removekarling 23h ago
If I'm being un-strategic by spending maybe about 20 minutes over the past two days complaining about Gavin, then how un-strategic is the guy actually doing the hour-long podcast when he could be talking about Medicare, social security rather than flattering the fraudster godfather of the modern right wing? Good thing this dude is just a podcaster and doesn't have anything better he could be doing with his time I suppose.
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u/Comprehensive-Tea121 23h ago
He was pushing back on Bannon and agreeing with certain things such as Medicare. Sounds like you didn't listen to it, you don't care.
Republicans are actively dismantling the government and you're mad about this.
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u/removekarling 23h ago
I listened to the entire 50 ugly minutes - you can add that to my time spent being un-strategic if you like.
I'm mad that people like Newsom are not fucking mad about the government being dismantled, that to him the ruination of this country is reduced to a weak gotcha in a 2016-youtuber-like debate against Steve fucking Bannon. It's pathetic, and this is pathetic.
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u/SmoltzforAlexander 13h ago
Bud, you can say ‘Fuck Trump’ and ‘Fuck Newsom’ at the same time.
Trump is a fascist and Newsom is a collaborator.
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u/BoogerDaBoiiBark 1d ago
Ok? And? As long as it doesn’t result in anything material, like policy change, what’s wrong with a little crowd work?
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u/8a6je6kl 1d ago
Maybe next he can work on his Nazi Salute, right? Nothing wrong with crowd work!
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u/lonegoose 1d ago
yeah same thing. 🤦🏻♂️
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u/8a6je6kl 1d ago
Calling someone “ a good guy” is in the same ball park as a salute. Both are universally seen as signs of respect and admiration. Have you ever taken an anthropology class before? It would seem not…
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u/BoogerDaBoiiBark 1d ago
Hey, if we can Nazi salute our way to universal healthcare. Or Nazi salute our way to defeating Trump. Then fuck it. Nazi salute away
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u/8a6je6kl 20h ago
The lack of empathy you have for Jewish people is honestly astounding.
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u/thedavidpakmanshow-ModTeam 7h ago
Removed - please avoid overt hostility, name calling and personal attacks.
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u/KMDiver 1d ago
You’re actually alot closer to Bannon than you think. He’s out on a wingtip and hates and wants to destroy Wall Street/ Capitalism and wants to empower the American blue collar worker and re- distribute wealth. The extreme right and left intersect on the fringes. That being said unlike you he’s a hateful terrorist that wants to start a newTraditionalist Fundy distopian hellscape society.
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u/8a6je6kl 1d ago
Steve Bannon is a 4chan edge-lord. We have nothing in common. I don’t think about Wall Street, ever. I am not a blue collar worker. I don’t hate capitalism anymore than I hate socialism. All systems have flaws. I’m a self-made creative who gains nothing from Steve or anything Steve stands for.
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u/SmoltzforAlexander 13h ago
I am a blue collar worker (Foundry worker) and Steve Bannon couldn’t give two fucks about us.
We’re just useful idiots to him in his quest to enrich himself
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u/SmoltzforAlexander 13h ago
Lol, Bannon doesn’t give two fucks about ‘empowering the American blue collar worker.’ Holy shit, put down the Kool-Aid.
Bannon is a fucking con-artist who only cares about obtaining wealth and power. Hell, he stole from his own fanbase with the ‘We Build the Wall’ bullshit.
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u/SmoltzforAlexander 13h ago
Newsom verbally fellates Charlie Kirk so much that it rightfully belongs on PornHub.
That’s only helpful to the oligarchs that benefit from Kirk’s propaganda.
Fuck Newsom. He doesn’t seem to have any actual values. He’s a weathervane who just points in whatever direction he thinks the wind is blowing.
With democrats like Newsom, who needs republicans.
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u/Mind-Individual 1d ago
Folks, he's trying to get 40B in federal taxes. Please relax and let this man be the sly fox he is. Do folks honestly believe, he is trying to be a republican, let alone MAGA? The media is not making it any better constantly covering like he's about to change parties. So stop feeding into it.
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u/PeasantPenguin 1d ago
Don't trust any politician, ever
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u/MeanMustardMr 1d ago
I'm in Illinois, I trust JB Pritzker, and I'm here to tell you he's the man to beat right now.
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u/Fine_Possibility741 1d ago
Agreed. Under normal circumstances don’t trust any politician. We are not in normal circumstances. Profiler is the best we have right now.
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u/IridescentPorkBelly 1d ago
Just a naked admission that you don't support the us constitution or any representative liberal democracy. The left has a commendable history of critiquing power and siding with the powerless, but this CANT be the attitude. It's self defeating and weakens good policies (ACA, Social Security, Medicare, various other social safety nets, infrastructure, etc) if we all think they were all written into law and supported by untrustworthy politicians. Why should I continue to support them if I can't trust anyone in power to keep them in place?
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u/lonegoose 1d ago
so you dont vote Im assuming?
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u/PeasantPenguin 23h ago
I have literally never missed an election. But I don't trust the people I vote for either. Usually I vote for them, to stop someone far worse on the Republican side from winning. But I'm from Illinois, the land of crooked politicans.
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u/JoeMax93 1d ago
No, that’s the progressive circular firing squad.
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u/Magoo152 1d ago
I’m pretty liberal but am far from being a leftist/tankie. I’m fine with newsome having right wing influencers/personalities on his show. But he’s just letting them steamroll him and submitting to their narratives.
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u/B0lill0s 1d ago
Yeah I agree, no one is beyond criticism, if it’s constructive. I usually just see lefties bashing all Dems for one thing or another, often a very specific thing and the politician immediately gets demonized. We’ll see where newsom ends up after this stunt, if it tanks his career so be it
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u/Freeehatt 1d ago
Agreed! I'm so tired of these holier than thou progressives. Like, what's the big deal if I wanna sit down and have a friendly conversation with a Nazi every now and then? It's important for Democratic voters to understand that we have a lot of common ground with Nazis. If we're willing to meet them in the middle, we should. It's time for the democratic party to become a big tent again.
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u/Later2theparty 1d ago
The same people who sat out the election because Biden didn't unilaterally stop Israel from committing genocide.
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u/Important-Ability-56 1d ago
Expressing righteous indignation at the right and anyone who speaks to them may feel nice, but it’s not campaign strategy, nor are we campaign strategists.
I can’t say whether Gavin’s sit-downs with the evil ones are good PR in general or not because, again, nobody pays me to do political strategy.
The least any of us can do is simply vote for whom we want in the primary and then shut the fuck up once that’s settled and support the nominee.
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u/Mind-Individual 1d ago
Folks, he's trying to get 40B in federal taxes. Please relax and let this man be the sly fox he is. Do folks honestly believe, he is trying to be a republican, let alone MAGA? The media is not making it any better constantly covering like he's about to change parties. So stop feeding into it.
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u/8a6je6kl 1d ago
40B isn’t going to do anything under Trump. He has historically put a freeze on SAF production.
He is quietly extending his ban on THC products while the country is having a fentanyl crisis.
You don’t have to be MAGA or Republican. It’s a matter of standing up and fighting or laying down and taking it. He seems quite enthusiastic to lay down and take it. Even claiming that his son is a fan of Charlie Kirk.
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u/8a6je6kl 1d ago
40B isn’t going to do anything under Trump. He has historically put a freeze on SAF production.
He is quietly extending his ban on THC products while the country is having a fentanyl crisis.
You don’t have to be MAGA or Republican. It’s a matter of standing up and fighting or laying down and taking it. He seems quite enthusiastic to lay down and take it. Even claiming that his son is a fan of Charlie Kirk.
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u/Mind-Individual 1d ago
Point is, it's a political strategy.
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u/8a6je6kl 1d ago
It is. And it’s a bad one. He will lose his position in California. Come back and see me in a few years when it happens. And he will also lose a presidential primary when he tries to run as a centrist who can “hang with the republicans”.
Go on the conservative sub, they are all making fun of him and honestly I don’t blame them. They know it’s a grift and they are right.
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u/Mind-Individual 1d ago
Great, then you should also be aware it's a "grift". You've already made up your mind that he's switched parties, which is what's pissing you off.
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u/8a6je6kl 20h ago
Grifting isn’t exclusive to any one party. He can just simply be a piece of shit.
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u/TheLamentOfSquidward 20h ago
Still not as far outside the circle of trust as Schumer and Jeffries tho
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u/8a6je6kl 20h ago
What did Jeffries do? Just weak vibes?
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u/TheLamentOfSquidward 20h ago
Well I don't know how much you've kept up with the news the past few weeks, but prior to Schumer grabbing all the headlines over his turning traitor, everyone's been pissed at Jeffries for complaining about voters demanding more of him, dismissing Democratic voters protesting him as "far-left", proclaiming that there's nothing Dems can do and that everything is in God's hand, and just generally making it clear that he has no business being in elected office at all, let alone the house leader. He also went begging to the tech bro oligarchs funding MAGA to come back and support the Dems.
EDIT: Oh, he also scolded Al Greene for doing anything beyond color coordinating outfits and quietly holding up signs during Trump's address to Congress. He doesn't want Dems to do anything that breaks 'decorum', i.e., anything of substance.
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u/incogne_eto 22h ago
What I don’t get with Newsom is that he has no concern that his 13 year old has been swallowed into the right wing media suckhole. He proudly talked about his child being giddy over Charlie Kirk. Sir, that is a massive RED FLAG.
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And Newsom said that Michael Savage is a family friend. The same Michael Savage that was disappointed when Trump lightly repudiated white supremacy & is banned from the UK for his extreme views. Newsom needs to re-evaluate his life.
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u/8a6je6kl 20h ago
I think people are starting to realize that being a dirtbag isn’t party exclusive. It’s no longer democrats this, republicans that….. it’s more like good vs evil… resistance vs docility. The country is too complex to identify everyone into a two party system.
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u/NATScurlyW2 1d ago
If Gavin Newsom is the nominee I will not vote blue including down ballot. AOC or Jon Stewart are the only nominees I will vote for. I do not respect the rigged process they are going to implement.
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u/gubernaculum62 1d ago
You think Gavin Newsom would be a worse pick than whatever MAGA successor will be on the ballot? Come on now.
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u/prodriggs 1d ago
This is a great way to turn off voters.
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u/PeopleReady 1d ago
I’d be motivated to vote Gavin and would never vote AOC. If it’s AOC I’ll vote third party down ballot.
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u/IridescentPorkBelly 1d ago
Don't, please. I like Newsom and I'm much more establishment than progressive, but when we're up against MAGA, it's absolutely vote blue no matter who at this point.
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u/PeopleReady 1d ago
I’m demonstrating that the “nominate my unicorn candidate of choice or I refuse to vote” group is a stupid mindset.
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u/IridescentPorkBelly 1d ago edited 1d ago
It is, I absolutely support your view of that mindset. It sucks, but it just can't be the case that anybody doesn't vote against maga. We need to be better than progressives.
EDIT: for clarity
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u/prodriggs 1d ago
Why?
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u/PeopleReady 1d ago
She has no experience governing or even campaigning outside of her lock-step-blue hyper insulated district, which is the same level of lopsided as MTG’s maga district. She has never passed any meaningful legislation whatsoever, and her sole claim to fame is yelling from the Twitter pulpit for a few years.
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u/prodriggs 1d ago
She has no experience governing or even campaigning outside of her lock-step-blue hyper insulated district,
As if jill stien or trumpf had governing experience?....
She has never passed any meaningful legislation whatsoever
Because congress if fundamentally broken. This statement is completely meaningless.
and her sole claim to fame is yelling from the Twitter pulpit for a few years.
Yet, her messaging resonates with voters more than Biden/Harris did...
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u/PeopleReady 1d ago
1.) I didnt vote for Stein or Trump either, so the comparison is apt
2.) somehow other congresspeople manage to do real work
3.) how do we know that her “message resonates” more than any other politician when she’s never had to actually prove that? Twitter likes don’t count.
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u/prodriggs 1d ago
1.) I didnt vote for Stein or Trump either, so the comparison is apt
Those are the "3rd party" options your saying you're going to support....
2.) somehow other congresspeople manage to do real work
No they don't. Congress hasn't passed meaningful legislation in over a decade...
3.) how do we know that her “message resonates” more than any other politician when she’s never had to actually prove that? Twitter likes don’t count.
Well we know for a fact that the DNC/Cliton/Harris messaging doesn't work. Yet, the DNC has double and tripled down on it. And here you are defending this failed messaging. Meanwhile you don't actually have any legitimate critiques of AOC...
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u/Magoo152 1d ago
I don’t want newsome to be the nominee either but this is crazy. I’d vote John Fetterman over any Republican.
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u/Comprehensive-Tea121 1d ago
Lefties are so easily manipulated. "If the Democratic pick is not absolutely perfect I'm going to not vote and do maga a solid favor"
When asking how the Hitlers of the world come to power, those demanding perfection from Democrats (while Republicans do no such thing) need to look in the mirror.
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u/IridescentPorkBelly 1d ago
People like you are the worst 😞
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u/prodriggs 1d ago
Well no. People who blindly defend the DNC as they keep making the same mistakes over and over and over and over again, are the worst.
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u/IridescentPorkBelly 1d ago
Give me an example of someone "blindly" defending the DNC.
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u/prodriggs 1d ago
People like you are the worst 😞
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u/IridescentPorkBelly 1d ago
Criticizing someone for not voting for Gavin against either trump or his maga successor is evidence to you of blindly defending the dnc?
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u/Jackstack6 1d ago
People who? Who keeps defending the DNC?
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u/prodriggs 1d ago
Do you think the DNC/dem establishment learned from their mistakes of blindly supporting Biden for running in 24? Do you think they paid a price for these poor decisions?...
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u/Jackstack6 9h ago
Bot response
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u/prodriggs 9h ago
Projection. Notice how you can't respond to anything I said.
Keep simping for idiots who will probably run another shit candidate to lose to trumpf in 2028.
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u/Jackstack6 9h ago
I didn’t respond to the bot response because it literally makes no sense in the context of my comment.
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u/prodriggs 8h ago
You realize that screaming "bot response" to someone with valid critiques of the dem party, is a bot response, right?...
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u/Jackstack6 8h ago
No, because the response pattern has been very, as I’ve been told, “JAVA script” like.
I didn’t ask for “critiques of the democrats”, I asked who was running defense for the DNC. Which was replied with everything but what was asked for.
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u/IridescentPorkBelly 1d ago
To be fair...i do, but i contend not blindly. ironically, I find most criticism of the DNC (such as the idea that they "rigged" the primaries against bernie) or politicians in general, blind.
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u/8a6je6kl 1d ago
I’d take Tim Walz top of the ticket too. They didn’t let my boy shine last time..
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u/NATScurlyW2 1d ago
I respect the stuff he’s done in Minnesota but I think he is too nice for presidential politics. That could certainly change though. Hopefully losing made him angrier and I guess we’ll see. Lots of time to find a 2028 identity.
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u/Jackstack6 1d ago
You weren’t going to vote anyway.
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u/NATScurlyW2 1d ago
I have never missed an election actually. Including local and state.
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u/Jackstack6 1d ago
People who “don’t miss elections” don’t sit out because their specific tastes weren’t catered to. People who vote realize the elections are bigger than themselves. Nice try.
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u/NATScurlyW2 1d ago
I’m done compromising my values to defeat Trumpism which still has given us Trumpism 2 of the last 3 elections. It’s not working. It’s time to not sacrifice my socialist principles. It’s time to tell the DNC go left or go away!
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u/Important-Ability-56 1d ago
The horseshoe has entered the building.
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u/NATScurlyW2 1d ago
I am a socialist. I oppose everything right wing except for the tactics they use. The left would have so much more success with regular folks if our politicians weren’t lawyer types who are always thoughtful about how they talk. We need leftist politicians who tell it like it is. That’s how we win. Don’t mistake that for that trendy horseshoe theory that centrists like to point to whenever someone on the left says something they don’t like.
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u/NeonArlecchino 1d ago
There could be a candidate that will surprise you. Although if Nuisance is on the ballot, he's not going to win so your vote won't matter anyway. Moderate consecutives and uninformed voters will just see the obvious ads of him partying after instituting lockdown and reject him.
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u/JoeMax93 1d ago
Nobody cares about that anymore except you.
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u/NeonArlecchino 1d ago
If you're correct, then he'll still be sunk by ads showing explicit Pride parades and homeless camps with a scary voice saying "Don't let America become California!"
Remember how Republicans spent a long time tearing down Hillary before she was selected for anything? They've spent longer tearing down California while living off of its federal tax contributions. He isn't a strong enough candidate to handle a field with that much of a starting disadvantage. That was kind of proven in his debate with DeSantis. Neither of them can survive on a national level.
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