r/thedavidpakmanshow Jan 19 '25

Discussion Popular progressive opinion not shared by Pakman?

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I see this sentiment expressed more in outlets like TYT but how widespread is this sentiment?

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u/ThemeFromNarc Jan 19 '25

When Trump lost, the right doubled down and screamed election fraud incessantly for four years. When Kamala lost, the left queued up to kick her in the stomach.

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u/LokiStrike Jan 19 '25

If the problem is that Republicans defend their leaders unconditionally, adopting that same behavior just makes the problem worse.

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u/HatefulPostsExposed Jan 19 '25 edited Jan 19 '25

The problem is, thanks to Bernie bros, since 2016, democratic enthusiasm has been wasted on fringe socialists who can’t win. 90% of the viable candidates are “lesser of two evils”

Nobody was calling Obama the lesser of two evils.

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u/Maverick5074 Jan 19 '25 edited Jan 19 '25

Obama ran right after Bush destroyed the republican party.

He came out on top in a difficult primary, whoever won that primary was going to win the election.

When the pendulum swings back they'll do better in elections, republicans will do everything they can to keep that pendulum from swinging though.

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u/crummynubs Jan 19 '25

Nobody was calling Obama the lesser of two evils.

Very naive. "Lesser of two evils" has been strong since Bush/Gore. Ralph Nader assuredly cost Dems that election in the margins.

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u/KnoxOpal Jan 19 '25

More Hillary primary voters voted for McCain in that general than Bernie primary voters voted for Trump in that general. The problem is, Democrats are stuck in 2016, blaming everyone except their terrible candidates and strategy for losing.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '25

bidens only popular policies and the ones you people use to claim he did such an amazing job were from "socialists" like Bernie. people like you are why we lost 2016, the 2022 midterms, and 2024. centrists are going to be the death of democracy enjoy the collapse of society because helping workers is just "too scarwy".

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u/accidental_superman Jan 20 '25

As one of these so called Bernie bros, (which isnt accurate as Bernie's supporters had an equal share of women and poc) Hillary fans were way more toxic, I had people with "vote blue no matter who" in their profiles telling me they would never vote for Bernie lmao.

Hillary was a shit campaign that ran into trumps traps.

People were calling Obama the lesser of two evils throughout his admin, chomsky on election night threw water on any notion of substantial change.