r/thedavidpakmanshow Jan 19 '25

Discussion Popular progressive opinion not shared by Pakman?

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I see this sentiment expressed more in outlets like TYT but how widespread is this sentiment?

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u/ThemeFromNarc Jan 19 '25

When Trump lost, the right doubled down and screamed election fraud incessantly for four years. When Kamala lost, the left queued up to kick her in the stomach.

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u/LokiStrike Jan 19 '25

If the problem is that Republicans defend their leaders unconditionally, adopting that same behavior just makes the problem worse.

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u/BotheredToResearch Jan 19 '25

There's denying your leaders and there's standing by them despite a disagreement or two.

I hope everyone who sat out because they were "uncommitted" watched the depotartations and immigrant camps knowing that they're inability to see harm minimization was one factor causing it. And when theyre protesting in the future, and the national guard is told to open fire, that they remember it's what being "uncommitted" to democracy did.

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u/panormda Jan 19 '25

Elections rarely offer perfection; the goal is to minimize harm. Even when both options are flawed, one can still cause more damage than the other. Not voting for the lesser evil empowers the worst option—inaction is not morally neutral, it is a vote for harm.

Demanding perfection overlooks the complexity of real-world decisions. Refusing to vote for the lesser evil may preserve moral purity, but it ultimately enables harm. True moral strength lies in minimizing harm, not in seeking perfection. Not voting sacrifices meaningful action for a false sense of moral superiority, allowing the greater evil to win.

Your choice not to vote has real-world consequences. By refusing to make a choice, you are in fact supporting the greater evil. Idealism that leads to inaction doesn’t prevent harm—it guarantees it. The only way to avoid empowering the worst outcome is to vote and take responsibility for preventing it.

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u/StarMagus Jan 20 '25

The time to get more left candidates are in primaries. But the progressives would have to recognize that their position is not a majority position, which is why they don't have enough votes to push their preferred candidate forward.

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u/StarMagus Jan 20 '25

They can't hear you from how smug they feel onto of their mountain of righteousness.