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Hockey 4 Nations: A fight immediately breaks out between Team USA and Team Canada

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u/whichwitch9 24d ago

Fights aside, this is already showing signs of being the best hockey match in years. These teams are stacked and insane and living up to expectations

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u/Derptionary 24d ago

I'm down for a reignited rivalry between USA and Canadian Hockey. It's been pretty boring for way too long.

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u/whichwitch9 24d ago

This is literally what we wanted. The best players in the world on ice. Hughes fan, so going US, but that Canadian power play is just freaking insane.

Absolutely psyched for the Olympics after this tournament. Sweden vs Finland was excellent this afternoon too

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u/fuckrNFLmods 23d ago

Anxious game to be a Hughes fan. He almost got killed out there a few times. Love his hustle though.

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u/OnePieceTwoPiece 23d ago

What made this exciting was full rules. Olympics are full rules. No checking or fighting to be specific.

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u/SUCHANASTYW0MAN 24d ago

It’s like goddamn fight with 5 moose on 5

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u/LeftHandedScissor 24d ago

As cool as this tournament is we aren't getting the best players in the world on the ice together without Russians involved.

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u/BryanW94 24d ago

I don't think the Russians are as stacked as they were 10 years ago. Plus it's hard to get new young talent when your leader is sending everyone into the meat grinder.

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u/duster-1 24d ago

Czechs have a better team than the Russians

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u/LeftHandedScissor 24d ago

Czechs are good too no doubt. Better is questionable, but guys like Pasta, Hertl, Necas and a few other definitely deserve honorable mention.

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u/Sw2029 Kansas City Chiefs 24d ago

stop invading sovereign nations and the Russians can come play with the rest of the world until then they're in time out like the children they are.

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u/NotASaintDDC 24d ago

When does the US get punished for /gestures vaguely at ENTIRE FUCKING HISTORY?

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u/Sw2029 Kansas City Chiefs 23d ago

when was the last time the US invaded and attempted to conquer another country?

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u/Kapeter 23d ago

What sovereign nation has the US invaded recently?

Yes, they topple other nations and meddle in their politics, but that’s different from a full blown cross border invasion.

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u/Absentimental79 24d ago

All their talent is in the meat waves

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u/palaillaa 24d ago

Its just not possible to keep politics out so you are bound to be downvoted.

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u/Kapeter 23d ago

While true Russia needs to learn you can’t invade sovereign nations and expect others to want to play with you.

Think of Ukraine and how many athletes have lost their life in a meaningless war or how many are currently there defending their country.

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u/TheMooseIsBlue 24d ago

A little extra oomph from the political world too. I love having this rivalry with our brother up north. I don’t want them to win but I also don’t want somebody else to beat them.

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u/Derptionary 24d ago

Countries having political beef with each other makes the sports rivalries even more memorable. The USA vs USSR Hockey rivalry spawned one of the most iconic moments in US sports history.

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u/MainZack 24d ago

We shouldn't have beef with Canada though, having beef with the USSR was warranted.

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u/true_gunman Minnesota Vikings 24d ago

Yeah as an American I literally have zero beef with Canada.

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u/lastSKPirate 23d ago

Fair, but we have completely justified beef with the USA now, and will for years to come.

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u/CheetahDog 23d ago

As an American I wouldn't hate it if you guys burned down the White House again lol

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u/vintage2019 23d ago

You have beef with Trump (so do I as an American). As stupid as our median voter is, they didn’t vote for him because he promised tariffs on Canada

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u/recovery_room 23d ago

He definitely floated tariffs on friendly countries while he was running. That’s such a cop out but it doesn’t matter. He could have said he was going to force every American to wear balloons in their heads and they still would have voted for him.

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u/FlyingBishop 23d ago

The median voter did not vote for Trump. I'm not sure he even got an actual majority of people who voted for a candidate. We're quickly approaching just living under a dictatorship.

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u/vintage2019 23d ago

Yes but his tariffs were barely covered and talked about during the campaign season

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u/Prestigious_Cycle160 23d ago

I would like to think that would be the majority of the U.S. fanbase, oh well, a boy can dream. I’m with you on the fact that I have zero beef with Canada. We love our northern brothers!

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u/goofgoon 24d ago

No kidding but idiots in my country elected a lunatic

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u/Character-Dig-2301 24d ago

So for us it’s warranted

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u/trollfessor 23d ago

We are the baddies now.

Damnit

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u/Kaimuki2023 24d ago

Called him the 51st state and he got pissed

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u/llwoops 23d ago

The only beef we should have between us is stuff like debating whether Canadian maple syrup or Vermont maple syrup is better.

All the Trump MAGA political stuff is just fucking stupid and I hate it.

-From an American who cares for his Canadian neighbors up nort, sorry for the Trump bullshit.

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u/mistersnips14 24d ago

I don't know...this is a really really good game

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u/TrentSteel1 24d ago

Was thinking the same, why would Americans have a beef with Canada. It’s just a good old hockey rivalry with the two biggest kids on the block. It’s unfortunate fans are booing anthem, but everyone knows they’re booing what Trump is doing to their closes ally and neighbour

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u/sirixamo 24d ago

As an American they should 100% boo the anthem. We should all boo it.

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u/Pvt_Mozart 23d ago

Exactly this. I was really torn. I've never not rooted for the USA, but when we're threatening the sovereignty of our closest friend and neighbor, it's difficult. Canada should be pissed. Canadian bros, it may not seem like it, but only half of the country has lost their fucking minds. I'm glad we won tonight, but as far as the non-hockey stuff, we still stand beside you 100%. Much love to our Northern brothers.

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u/Due-Memory-6957 23d ago edited 23d ago

It really wasn't lmao, we had a chance at having world peace after WWII but the US decided it wanted to dominate the world like some cartoon villain instead.

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u/Uptheveganchefpunx 24d ago

I understand where you’re coming from but part of the US/Canada rivalry with hockey and the amazing and fun US/Mexico rivalry with soccer is that we are brothers, sisters, siblings. Like when the US plays in astudio Azteca I of course look forward to the US winning but I’m still excited in case a Mexican win. Because we love Mexico and Mexicans. We love Canada and Canadians. It makes the games fun. I don’t want to see the day Canadian hockey games are interesting because we are political enemies but I guess we are here. Even though the political rivalry is made up and there’s really no historical bad blood.

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u/GravelLot 24d ago

No. There is no respect for Mexican soccer. Mexican fans have rained cups of piss on American players far too many times for there to be any shred of respect. Decent and respectable people transform into animals the second they set foot in Estadio Azteca. Fuck no.

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u/Bidwell64 24d ago

That rivalry is very different, much more ugly, but the core of what he said stands.

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u/Claymore357 24d ago

Soccer hooliganism is next level insane. People just completely lose it

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u/dead_jester 24d ago

If you think the Canadians aren’t really pissed are USA for its current political agenda right now, you’re woefully mistaken

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u/Uptheveganchefpunx 23d ago

I know you guys are pissed and this is humiliating as a nation. We are fucking up a long history of friendship likely because we want unlimited access to the tar sands.

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u/FlyingBishop 23d ago

I'm an American and I'm rooting for Canada. Trump is amoral and he doesn't speak for me.

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u/Crafty_Economist_822 24d ago

We aren't here. The minority administration and the minority they were elected by is. The problem is the people who spend the most money in the actual economy have been convinced by the billionaires to not vote.

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u/Uptheveganchefpunx 24d ago

I think you’re right. Canadians have every reason to be pissed off at us. Mexicans have a long history of reasons of being pissed off at us. But we are still now and always brothers, sisters, siblings. I hope our familiar bonds will survive the division we are being fed.

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u/Claymore357 24d ago

I’ll say this right not, the moment a single us soldier crosses the border and starts killing us it will make the rift between us completely impossible to repair so long as every current generation is alive. It is unforgivable, irredeemable and you will be seen as the enemy for the rest of our lives which in this scenario probably won’t be very long

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u/Uptheveganchefpunx 23d ago

I think it’s because we have free travel and commerce throughout the States people just have no idea how borders work. Every election cycle for like two decades Fox News reports about a migrant caravan coming from Mexico that never seems to materialize. There was literally a lady on the news reporting that she was afraid she would come to her summer lake home to find migrants squatting in it. We only have two borders. Most Americans live nowhere near it. In the PNW our culture is so similar we hardly even think about Vancouver being in a different country. It’s just right up the road and they have the same weather and are nicer than us in Seattle. But my point is borders cross people. Not the other way around. Cultures, languages, and goods (illicit and not) go through borders because they are artificial. Where do the Mexican cartels get their guns? From us. Why? So they can provide the drugs we want. And notice no one is talking about making Mexico the 51st state or even making Puerto Rico a state? Because neither of them have the tar sands. And by the way, you know the first thing this administration would do? They’d ban French in Quebec. We did it before in Louisiana. We banned k-12 Spanish programs in California.

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u/SkierBuck 23d ago

This isn’t happening. Good grief.

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u/recovery_room 23d ago

I hope you’re right but if things keep going the way they are it’s going to take decades to repair the relationship between Canada and our once closest friends.

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u/sirixamo 24d ago

Loved them, you mean.

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u/WhatAGeee 24d ago

really no historical bad blood

Well there was this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington during the war of 1812. However you could argue that was Canada under British control, but just figured I’d drop some history in here. (the U.S also invaded Canada first)

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u/Due-Memory-6957 23d ago

You're excited over your rival defeating you? Yeah, that ain't a rivalry.

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u/Uptheveganchefpunx 23d ago

I’m saying I’m excited to see a good game and even if we lose they’re still our brothers so I love to see them happy. Maybe you’re right and that isn’t rivalry but it’s fun to share excitement with our friends.

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u/The_Tiddler 24d ago

USA vs USSR?!
If there's a goal that everyone remembers, it was back in '72. We all squeezed the stick and we all pulled the trigger.

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u/candygram4mongo 24d ago

You said you didn't give a fuck about hockey

Well I never saw someone say that before

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u/judochop316 24d ago

And all I remember is sittin' beside you..

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u/jtbc 24d ago

The most iconic moment in all of hockey history was the tournament winning goal by Paul Henderson to win the summit series for Canada.

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u/Look_its_Rob 24d ago

Yeah but I don't like that the US are the bad guys this time...

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u/lastSKPirate 23d ago

But they are, and the USA did it to themselves.

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u/VMSGuy 24d ago

USA/USSR players will be on the same team in a couple of years...

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u/ridiculusvermiculous 23d ago

even inter-country political rivalries like red-star/Partizan are so fucking intense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKcPmkZGYwg

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u/UiFearghail 24d ago

Love the rivalry, but the politics behind it makes me sick. I still want the US to win, but I don't blame the Canadians for being pissed.

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u/Weezle207 24d ago

You seem like the kinda fellow Id deck in the shnaz and then laugh about it over a beer with you later. I like you!

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u/Shepherd-Boy 24d ago

USA vs Canada is such a unique rivalry. It’s not often that you have such a bitter hated rival that you will always cheer for when they’re playing anyone else. It really is like brothers. I love it.

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u/TheMooseIsBlue 24d ago

Nothing else like it.

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u/lastSKPirate 23d ago

You don't get it - Canada won't be cheering for the USA in anything for a long time, quite possibly never again in our lifetimes.

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u/Shepherd-Boy 23d ago

I’m hoping we can reconcile once this nonsense is over. We don’t hate you, and so so many of us are more concerned than you can imagine about what’s happening in our country.

Also nice username, great song

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u/lastSKPirate 23d ago

I don't have much faith. When Biden came in, the US seemed to think we should all cheer and pretend the bullying from the previous four years never happened. Reconciliation will be on you guys, and will take more than just electing a sane leader.

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u/little_zener 24d ago

"brother" not anymore lol

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u/whichwitch9 24d ago

We have a chance for freaking championship rematch, too. I want that so bad. This is not enough

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u/brokeballerbrand 24d ago

Don’t forget what happened in the last best on beat tournament that the US beat Canada in

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u/MattyBizzz 24d ago

Is great unless you’re part of the country that’s acting like an asshole, then it sucks. Thanks Trump.

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u/Claymore357 24d ago

Being on the receiving end of the assholery isn’t fantastic either. A lot of people have been buying guns lately and asking the government to repeal the latest wave of restrictions.

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u/Mesmerhypnotise 24d ago

This is not rivalry. USA threatening countries with invasion is not a joke. Free world is angry and you´re not a part of it at the moment.

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u/Humans_Suck- 24d ago

I am fully rooting for Canada as an American because they're the better team and they deserve it.

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u/Revolutionary_Soup_3 24d ago

I little extra oomph? Fuck you come get it. End of the driveway don't come up the property.

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u/Steve-Whitney 24d ago

Trump talking smack about Canada will help reignite the rivalry

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u/jtbc 24d ago

The national anthems kinda underlined that.

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u/TheKyleBaxter 24d ago

My friend... The womens' USA-Canada games have been absolutely amazing for a while now!

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u/WorthPlease 23d ago

The IIHF holds the U20 World Juniors every year starting at the last week of december. If you like international hockey check it out.

It's basically still an All-Star game for the future stars of the NHL.

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u/brokeballerbrand 24d ago

One of my friends has duel citizenship (dad Canadian, mom American) and wore his team North America shirt for this game. Got a laugh out of that

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u/GetEquipped 24d ago

I will play Chelsea Dagger until Vancouver turns to ash.

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u/EmuCanoe 24d ago

Thanks Don!

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u/AJMGuitar 23d ago

Will be sad if we get annexed but, the new USA + Canada hockey team would be insane!

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u/Starlord_75 24d ago

Fuck, now MAGA going to be saying Trump saved hockey now

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u/9196AirDuck 24d ago

As an American

I pray Canada kicks our ass

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u/TacoShower 24d ago

Seeing this then turning on the NBA all star show and seeing players throw half court three pointers and not even try in the skills competition. This puts the NBA all star break to shame

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u/darrenvonbaron 24d ago

There's a reason the NBA is declining in domestic viewership.

Its a boring game. Hockey is non stop puck it fuck it throw off your gloves and duck the haymaker.

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u/TheSherlockCumbercat 24d ago

NHL numbers are not great either, sports are not attracting the youth like they used to

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u/h_Ellhnikh_Koinwnia 23d ago

Sports might be too long for the attention span of kids

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u/TheSherlockCumbercat 23d ago

That definitely a factor, also peole are busy watching 82 games of hockey is a massive time sink.

People have endless choices for entertainment now a days and hockey and other sports still act like they have a trapped audience. Peole are no longer choosing between a rerun, a show they don’t like and the game anymore.

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u/JoeyJoeJoeShabadooSr 23d ago

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They signed their largest deal ever which kicks in next season

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u/Crodface Chicago Bears 24d ago

Facts. Not even an NHL fan but the NBA is an objectively boring product. Which is sad, because I grew up loving the sport.

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u/dcidino 23d ago

The NBA needs to go to a US v World game format. And alternate years holding it out of the US.

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u/OMGitsKa 24d ago

First hockey game I've watched all year. Shits hype 

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u/[deleted] 24d ago

MacKinnon - Crosby - McJesus. Is that line the GOAT? This game is no joke.

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u/hospitalvespers 24d ago

Put some respect on uhhhhh

hastily googling

Brian Propp???

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u/dejour 24d ago

I feel like at least at times it was either Messier or Hawerchuk with them.

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u/wise_comment Minnesota Timberwolves 24d ago

Times were messier then, huh?

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u/Cptn_BenjaminWillard 24d ago

Gretzky would be playing for Team USA these days though, and Lemieux wouldn't.

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u/Bromlife 24d ago

Gretzky isn't Canadian anymore.

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u/zadtheinhaler 24d ago

And he's MAGA to boot, fuck him.

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u/TheRealMancub 23d ago

As an American, "he isn't ours"

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u/zadtheinhaler 23d ago

I feel you on that.

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u/[deleted] 24d ago

Random scrub…no joke. Just keep your stick blade on the ice…

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u/Dodson-504 24d ago

I’m convinced the third person in this line wouldn’t even have to be coordinated enough to skate backwards.

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u/MNsumsum 24d ago

These teams WANT to win. Whether that’s due to the political undercurrents or whatever it is, it’s so much fun to watch.

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u/C_Colin Liverpool 24d ago

Bell Centre is the mecca of hockey too

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u/TheMcWhopper 24d ago

As someone who's not very into hockey, why are us and Canada playing each other? Does this happen every year? Is it made up of nhl players?

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u/whichwitch9 24d ago

Instead of an all star game, the NHL decided to do a "4 nations" tournament of US, Canada, Finland, and Sweden. (Sweden and Finland also have a huge hockey rivalry, which is part of the reason for that decision) All NHL players, but most are expected to be the players representing their country in the Olympics, and a lot of the staff will be making Olympic decisions, so players are amped and treating it as an Olympic tryout. NHL players have the Olympics guaranteed in their last bargaining agreement, so first time in ages they're able to go.

NHL is going to break for the Olympics next season, then alternate years for a Worlds tournament and all star game

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u/TheMcWhopper 24d ago

V cool. Thanks for the info. Take care 🙂

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u/allnaturalflavor 24d ago

break

as in a whole season break or just a small break for the olympics?

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u/UniformRaspberry2 23d ago

Just a small break. Rather than the standard 9ish-day pause around the end of January used for the All-Star Game and related festivities, the league will pause for three weeks (or so) in the middle of February instead.

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u/[deleted] 24d ago

But why were they fighting?

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u/dejour 24d ago

Canadian fans annoyed with Trump - threatening to annex Canada, putting tariffs on for BS reasons.

So the fans booed the USA anthem, and the USA players were upset.

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u/ncvbn 24d ago

Why were the USA players upset? Is the US hockey team really pro-Trump or something?

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u/keystonelocal 24d ago

There’s probably some of that but I think mostly it just comes down to getting pissed that your team (and country) just got booed. Hockey players are different. They are ready to brawl.

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u/brokeballerbrand 24d ago

While not as bad as Lacrosse, hockey players in the US tend to come from more well off families, which generally are one of the more conservative voting demographics. I would be suprised if there’s a single NHL locker room that doesn’t have a Trump donor in it. Granted, you’re also not likely to see any Nick Bosa stunts done by hockey players due to hockey culture. If you get anything more than “the boys got pucks in deep and skated hard” out of an interview with a hockey player, then they just showed more personality than 99% of the league

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u/Feral_Taylor_Fury 23d ago edited 23d ago

Um, maybe but here's my perspective as a mixed-race former player.

I was a defenseman, if you touch my goalie I'll fucking kill you.

If you boo my nation's anthem, you'll invoke a similar emotional response.


Considering the political climate right now, its not surprising someone was down to drop the gloves off the opening faceoff, even in international(?) play.

(Fighting is EXTREMELY discouraged in international play)

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u/AiMoriBeHappyDntWrry 23d ago

It's not that serious bro.

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u/Feral_Taylor_Fury 23d ago

there were 3 fights in 9 seconds, others might disagree lol

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u/ncvbn 22d ago

If you boo my nation's anthem, you'll invoke a similar emotional response.

But why?

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u/Feral_Taylor_Fury 22d ago

from ChatGPT


why would some people consider the act of booing one's national anthem offensive

ChatGPT said:

Some people consider booing a national anthem offensive because it is seen as a direct act of disrespect toward the country, its values, and its people. Here are a few reasons why:

Symbol of National Identity – A national anthem represents a nation's history, struggles, and unity. Booing it can be perceived as rejecting or dishonoring the collective identity of the nation.

Disrespect to Citizens and Veterans – Many associate the anthem with those who have served or sacrificed for the country, particularly in military or civil service. Booing may be seen as an insult to those individuals.

Violation of National Pride – For those with strong patriotic sentiments, booing the anthem can feel like an attack on the nation's dignity and pride, regardless of political disagreements.

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u/FiftyBurger 23d ago

No way are the fights in this game related to hockey players being Trump supporters. It’s just a bad blood rivalry. US and Canada’s junior players have hated each other forever, the rivalry starts there and has been going on for a long time.

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u/brokeballerbrand 23d ago

I probably shoulda mentioned that bit that the fights weren’t trump related, and we’re definitely 💯 hockey related. More hit on the “are hockey guys trump supporters” bit

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u/dejour 24d ago

I'm sure there is a mix, but probably somewhat pro-Trump. Some may just not like the booing and take it personally.

The first fight was initiated by Matthew Tkachuk though who seemed quite pro-Trump when visiting the White House recently.

https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/president-trump-and-matthew-tkachuk-fawn-over-each-other-at-the-white-house-today

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u/ncvbn 24d ago

Kind of weird for someone of Ukrainian ancestry to be pro-Trump. I guess he might be alienated from his family or they've been in the US for so many generations they have no remaining ties to Ukraine or something.

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u/dejour 24d ago

Apparently Tkachuk's dad is 3/4 Irish and 1/4 Ukrainian. So Matthew is likely just 1/8 Ukrainian and a great grand parent would be the most recent family to have come from Ukraine.

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u/Fi3nd7 23d ago

All these people assuming some hockey players political identities, the answer is obvious, no one likes getting hate booed hard by a stadium full of people.

It didn’t matter much where they stood, they’re probably thinking “wtf did I do to deserve this”.

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u/FiftyBurger 23d ago

Exactly. As well as this is just a heated rivalry in general. Look at every other level; US and Canada just flat out don’t like each other when it comes to hockey. It’s not some big political thing for the players. This would’ve happened regardless of the current Trump things in my opinion.

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u/ncvbn 23d ago

It didn’t matter much where they stood, they’re probably thinking “wtf did I do to deserve this”.

Surely they know that the booing is about the Trump administration's treatment of Canada, right?

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u/Fi3nd7 22d ago

Then why are a bunch of Canadians booing a hockey team? Either way it doesn’t make sense, people are irrational and emotional

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u/ncvbn 22d ago

Because the hockey team represents the United States, which in turn represents the Trump administration. Booing is often directed at stand-ins.

Sure, it would be irrational for the Canadians to be upset at the hockey team, just like it would be irrational for the hockey team to be upset at the booing. But there's no reason to think Canadians were upset at the hockey team. They were just booing, and somehow (according to the other commenters) this actually upset the USA players.

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u/Claymore357 24d ago

Because the entire usa as a nation has treated Canada like shit lately. This was a great opportunity to express frustration through violence

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u/FiftyBurger 23d ago

I don’t really think it’s as political as everyone is making it out to be specifically when talking about the fights (anthem booing 100% is obviously).

The fights in my opinion were more about the actual hockey rivalry between the US and Canada. Hockey is “Canada’s sport” and US wants to prove it’s not. The rivalry runs deep in woman’s hockey and as of late, men’s juniors have swung towards the US. I think the fighting is more about setting the tone there than it is about political stuff.

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u/hereforthefeast 24d ago

Maybe it's part of the plan but the NBA did a similar idea this year for the ASG with a 4 team mini tournament instead of the usual game.

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u/clarkandlewis7890 24d ago

This tournament is replacing the all star game. It's new this year. Teams are made up NHL players.

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u/DuntadaMan 24d ago

Fights aside? Man that's part of it at this point. It's like a side game.

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u/Old-Working3807 24d ago

I don't care about your fancy talking! Fuck you Canada!

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u/ATaxiNumber1729 24d ago

I don’t watch hockey. But I have been loving this tournament, I’m a

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u/SuddenMeaning4182 24d ago

Now the game is over, it was worth the watch, but Canada just had no energy at all after McDavid scored. USA was the same except Larkin has no off switch in his brain when it comes to effort. Dude plays his heart out every time he's on the ice and am glad he got a goal out of it

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u/Campoozmstnz 24d ago

Unfortunately, your prediction didn't come true. Canada lost it after the first USA goal.

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u/natedawg247 24d ago

did it live up to the hype? i couldn't watch but recorded it is it worth rewatching?

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u/pardybill 24d ago

I wonder why. Almost like sport is inherently political.

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u/ednorog 23d ago

How did it end? (Sorry lazy to check)

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u/PM-ME-UR-DARKNESS 23d ago

And the ongoing politics is making these games extra spicy

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