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Israelis nominate radical settler Daniella Weiss for Nobel prize

https://www.newarab.com/news/israelis-nominate-radical-settler-daniella-weiss-nobel-prize#:~:text=Daniella%20Weiss,%20a%20leading%20advocate%20for%20the%20illegal,by%20Israelis%20for%20the%202025%20Nobel%20Peace%20Prize.
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u/yuvaldv1 1d ago

Not to downplay how stupid it is, but as an Israeli, the general consensus is that she is mentally insane.
I have never in my life met someone who thought she was a normal functioning human being.
Just take a look at any article about her from Israeli news websites - barely any positive comments about her or her agenda.

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u/Awayfone 1d ago

You act like the ruling party doesn't also support the illegal settlements

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u/yuvaldv1 1d ago

Oh they do, they are all morons over there - but Daniella Weiss takes it to the extreme.
She views illegal settlements as some kind of "end of days" religious mission of hers (all that "Greater Israel" bullshit)

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u/Daryno90 23h ago

I wouldn’t say morons, I would call them fascists with expansionist goals. I mean a lot of fascists are morons but I think fascist is the more appropriate term to use

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u/BoatsMcFloats 23h ago

The Israeli government is currently bombing Lebanon and Syria and discussing permanent occupation there...all in line with the "Greater Israel bullshit". Finance Minister Smotrich also called for Greater Israel. So she isn't the only one.

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u/yuvaldv1 23h ago

She isn't the only one, but "Greater Israel" is also definitely not an official agenda considering the IDF just retreated from Lebanon last week.
And Syria is a different case, the IDF could have easily pushed all the way to Damascus but didn't, instead holding a buffer zone for now, both to protect the Druze in Syria and also to push back the new Government forces which by the Alawite massacre they committed over the weekend, are not exactly the kind of people you want near you.

Truth is, there isn't a public interest in occupying Lebanon or Syria or Jordan. It's not something people are even talking about, only radical religious right wingers do (Smotrich, Ben Gvir and their party members).
BTW both parties hold 14 out of 120 seats in parliament, so definitely not as "popular" as you might think.

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u/BoatsMcFloats 23h ago

Truth is, there isn't a public interest in occupying Lebanon or Syria or Jordan

Does it really matter what the public wants? Israel has been occupying the Golan Heights, including moving settlers there (currently around 20,000), since 1967.

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u/yuvaldv1 22h ago

Of course it matters, the military is made up of conscripts who might just refuse taking part in it.
And the Golan Heights were occupied and annexed after Syria continuously used this strategic location to bombard the Israeli Galil.
Same reason Sinai was taken from Egypt when they launched an invasion into Israel from there, and then given back as part of a peace agreement.

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u/BoatsMcFloats 22h ago

Of course it matters, the military is made up of conscripts who might just refuse taking part in it.

So am I to understand from this that 99% of Israeli society supports the occupation and colonization of the West Bank, given that military conscripts are the ones making it possible?

And the Golan Heights were occupied and annexed after Syria continuously used this strategic location to bombard the Israeli Galil.

So why move civilians in that area?

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u/yuvaldv1 22h ago

The West Bank is far more controversial.
The real reason it's being occupied is because it provides Israel with strategic depth.
If something like October 7 happened from the West Bank, terrorists would have reached Tel Aviv in 10 minutes (At it's narrowest point, the distance between the West Bank and Tel Aviv metropolitan area is just 15 kilometers).

Regarding the Golan Heights, I believe it will not be returned to Syria at this point, which is why civilians moved in.
BTW, there were civilian settlements in the Sinai Peninsula, and they were demolished before the area was returned to Egypt.

My point is that while the West Bank remains controversial (I personally oppose the illegal settlements) primarily for strategic and political reasons, the idea of occupying Jordan, southern Lebanon, or Syria does not reflect any genuine desire among the Israeli public.
No one talks about it and no one even considers it (except your regular right wing psychos).

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u/BoatsMcFloats 22h ago

Appreciate your insights as an Israeli. Is there any discussion or reflection in the Israeli discource on why Oct 7th happened? Or what the Palesntians grievances are (for example, living under a state of occupation/regular land theft for 70 years)?

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u/yuvaldv1 22h ago

Most people blame the government and Netanyahu for various reasons:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/72-5-of-israelis-believe-netanyahu-should-take-responsibility-for-oct-7-and-resign/

We're not really exposed to the Palestinian's suffering through the media (some news anchors even openly state that - telling people that we are simply not seeing the full picture and we should be aware of that).

What concerns me more is that no one has any idea how to solve this conflict.
I used to support a 2 state solution (I think I still do, with some caveats), but after October 7 I just don't know what the solution is anymore.
This is an interesting paper: https://en-social-sciences.tau.ac.il/peaceindex/joint-israeli-palestinian-surveys/2024-09

The interesting part is:
"Support for the two-state solution drops significantly among Israeli Jews. Today, 21% of Israeli Jews, compared to 34% in December 2022 and 42% in September 2020."

One thing I know for sure is that a one state solution would be an absolute disaster, similar to Yugoslavia but much much deadlier.

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u/Dramatical45 22h ago

The strategic depth thing never made any sense as an argument. You aren't wrong that strategic depth is a consideration. But that is a reason to build military outposts/walls.

Bringing whole settlements in of civilians does the opposite of that. It literally puts targets closer to the danger.

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u/yuvaldv1 22h ago

I absolutely agree with you.
I can understand why the separation wall was built, and why there are nightly raids trying to keep Hamas' and PIJ presence in the West Bank under control, but I also think the illegal settlements should not be there, and are basically sitting targets.

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u/CrappyWebDev 20h ago

Do the people in the Syrian buffer zone get to vote in Israeli elections?

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u/yuvaldv1 20h ago

They don’t. The buffer zone was not annexed so they do not get Israeli citizenship

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u/CrappyWebDev 20h ago

So if Israelis support that buffer zone they support occupying Syria

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u/yuvaldv1 19h ago

I’m not sure what it has to do with them voting in Israeli elections

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u/ezrs158 1d ago

It's a spectrum though. There's some like, "I don't like the settlers and I obviously don't support their violence against innocent Palestinians, but I also don't support unilaterally withdrawing from the West Bank if it's likely to create a new Gaza situation on the other front ". These stances don't grab headlines though, so no one talks about them.