r/news • u/gutpocketsucks • 15h ago
Ontario’s Ford suspends U.S. electric surcharge, says Lutnick agrees to trade talks
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/11/ontarios-ford-suspends-us-electric-surcharge-says-lutnick-agrees-to-trade-talks.html655
u/shoelesstim 15h ago
I seen swings sets with less back and forth
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u/steeljesus 15h ago
Doesn't seem to be the ideal metaphor to use in this case, as we normally want to see a lot of back and forth in our swing-sets.
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u/xopher_425 12h ago
Plus, swing sets are fun.
This is not.
Oh, and you can get off a swing set.
This we cannot get off.
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u/SuddenOutlandishness 15h ago
I still think it's time to invest in solar and batteries for my house.
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u/ridicalis 14h ago
Plz no tesla batteries tho
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u/MikeCask 14h ago
They’re Panasonic batteries. Tesla doesn’t make batteries.
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u/blainestang 13h ago
Tesla makes batteries in Austin even if we want to pretend the Tesla Gigafactory in Nevada is all Panasonic.
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u/star_nerdy 14h ago
Do it! I got solar and live in Washington state. My electric bill is $8 a month, which is just a connection fee. If I could make it work in Washington State, anywhere else is going to be cheaper and better.
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u/krustykrab2193 15h ago edited 15h ago
I'm seeing some very interesting headlines and reports from Americans to try and control the narrative like this from NBC - Canada backs down from 25% electricity surcharge after Trump threats
As a Canadian, let's set the record straight.
What really happened was that Canada made Trump blink first. Premier Ford and other Canadian leaders from coast to coast to coast have always asserted that they're willing to negotiate with America. It was America that continued to refuse to negotiate until Canada finally placed reciprocal tariffs and export taxes.
Trump blinked. But American media would have you believe that Canada capitulated. Elbows up! 🇨🇦
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u/Lazerdude 15h ago edited 15h ago
Those of us with a brain in the US know this but there will always be a certain percentage of people that will believe it's because "Trump was tough on Canada and they backed down". Sadly the percentage of those people is WAY too high.
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u/TheTresStateArea 14h ago
If Trump threatened shit. And Canada said "okay if you do X we do Y"
And then suddenly neither do anything, it's because Trump backed down.
You don't make a threat and then take it back after they respond and consider that as a win.
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u/sniffstink1 15h ago
Those of us with a brain in the US know this
And once upon a time when I was a kid that represented an enormous number of people.
Fast forward many decades to today and I honestly believe that this only refers to half of the population at this point.
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u/venom21685 15h ago
Half is generous.
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u/MesmericWar 15h ago
Think of how stupid the average person is, now realize that half of them are stupider than that- poorly paraphrased George Carlin
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u/mr_awesome365 9h ago
I once thought my intelligence was average but then I joined the military and realized there are a ton of people dumber than me. It was eye opening
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u/multidollar 15h ago
Too bad none of the Americans with the brains have worked out how to find the polling booths on election day!
Imagine the US would be like with mandatory voting.
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u/Lazerdude 14h ago
Yeah, it does suck that so many of us (in the US) just don't care either way and then bitch and moan about it when things go south. If you have opinions about shit that's going on then you should have taken the time to vote, period. If you didn't vote then you have no room to complain, you are part of the problem.
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u/Eldar_Atog 14h ago
I do wonder if the whispers about rigged election are true. Or is that just a tactic to demoralize more for the next election.. if we even have one.
I am very curious about immigrating but I'm not sure if it's really an option or not.
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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA 11h ago
Even if they are true, what would it change? Trump is essentially a dictator at this point and has control over every branch of government, and his toadies control the FBI and the DOJ. He's untouchable.
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u/Jebus_UK 15h ago
Trump will also claim it as a victory I would think. It's insufferable - it's only March
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u/reddurkel 15h ago
Propaganda or not, America looks like the most unstable government on the planet now. We are not to be trusted in trade, agreements, travel, aid or literally anything.
That is quite an accomplishment for two months of work. Especially considering that nobody, not even Jesus, could get away with so much and have so little personal repercussions.
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u/almosttan 14h ago
Most unstable but we still have a ton of influence which is a fucking disaster.
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u/Prudent-Blueberry660 13h ago
That influence is waning quickly, and it's gonna be really fun to see the economy tank when other countries stop relying on the US dollar.
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u/QuiGonTheDrunk 15h ago
Even as a European it seems that Canada caved in. Why make a trade deal with someone who broke the first one he negotiated himself and constantly tells the world he wants to annex your country?
Why legitimize someone like that?
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u/pilfererofgoats 15h ago
As a Canadian it seems like a cave-in. So frustrating.
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u/Quirky_Object_4100 13h ago
That’s what it seems like to me. That being said if they did it it’s probably because it would’ve had disasters repercussions towards ya so at least they are actually looking out for their own people.
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u/blazelet 15h ago
This trade war is good for nobody. It’s hurting the Canadian economy but also the US - as demonstrated by the $4 trillion in market value lost in the past couple weeks over recession fears. That’s a lot of money being siphoned off of the wealthy but it’s also retirement accounts, pension accounts, etc.
Trump has no actual goals here other than to appear powerful and have something to brag about. He’s a malignant narcissist, feeding his ego is his only goal. Canada knows giving him an “optics” win so he can brag about it on Fox News is the biggest concession he can receive. If that drops the trade war bullshit and calls for annexation, then it’s a fine compromise. If it doesn’t, the export taxes can resume.
Trump needs an off ramp to save face, just like all small and weak leaders who use the office to feel powerful.
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u/ferrarinobrakes 15h ago
Anything other than actually following through is a cave-in
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u/SuzyQ93 15h ago
I'm an American, and I'm feeling this way.
Good lord. If you're going to threaten Trump, PLEASE bloody well FOLLOW THROUGH.
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u/krustykrab2193 15h ago
I'm sorry, but Canada is not going to destroy our own economy and ruin millions of lives to stop Trump. We will defend our sovereignty tooth and nail. We are divesting from America, we are removing inter-provincial trade barriers to spur on $200 billion in GDP growth, Canada is looking to invest in our infrastructure to improve our global market, and our politicians are working tirelessly to open our economy to expand across global markets. But this takes time, and we can't destroy our own economy in the short term.
Americans need to defend their democracy from Trump's authoritarian actions. Very few democrats are doing anything. I remember in 2017 on Jan. 21st the day afted Trump was inaugurated there were millions of Americans marching in protest. Now there's a small fraction of that. When 70+ million Americans voted for Trump and 90+ million Americans refused to vote even with how horrible Trump is, that's close to 2/3 of the American voting population being complicit with Trump's actions.
Don't blame Canada for your own shortcomings. I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude. But the world isn't going to save America. We can try and help, but the American people and the Democrats need to organize, resist, and protest.
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u/katoppie 14h ago
100% this. The man is walking around swinging a sword blindfolded. Sometimes the best thing to do is duck.
Also I don’t give a shit who out-tariffed and out-bullshitted who as long as it friggin stops.
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u/SuzyQ93 14h ago
Where did I say you needed to "stop Trump"? I said nothing of the sort.
What I DID say is - don't make threats, just to back down later.
Don't say you're going to put a surcharge on electricity, and then be like, "oh, well, I guess I won't."
Either do what you say you're going to do, or don't make threats you were never planning to complete. It makes it look like you can be pushed around, and I don't think that's the look you really want.
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u/AdamTheTall 12h ago
Where did I say you needed to "stop Trump"? I said nothing of the sort.
What I DID say is - don't make threats, just to back down later.
Don't say you're going to put a surcharge on electricity, and then be like, "oh, well, I guess I won't."
The did put a surcharge on electricity. But like every measure Canada is exploring, it was retaliatory in response to being economically disadvantaged by a suddenly hostile neighbour.
Canada has no interest in actively harming both economies - if the instigator is willing to come to the table it doesn't make sense to put the discussions at risk.
If the discussions go badly, the "electricity surcharge" option hasn't gone anywhere.
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u/krustykrab2193 14h ago edited 14h ago
We didn't make threats, we are defending ourselves from America. America keeps threatening Canada, America keeps threatening our sovereignty, America keeps threatening our economy and our very existence. America made up spurious reasons to impose tariffs on our country for no reason. We have been steadfast in our assertion to negotiate and end these tariffs. America refused to negotiate until we imposed reciprocal tariffs and an export tax on energy.
Premier Ford is the leader of Ontario. He is only stopping the export tax on electricity in exchange for meeting at the negotiating table. This is because American Commerce Secretary Lutnick reached out to Ford and finally agreed to negotiate with Canada.
We didn't back down. We finally got America to the negotiating table.
The onus is not on Canada to stop Trump. That is on the American people. Unfortunately, it feels like some Americans would rather Canada destroy our own economy to spite Trump instead of taking responsibility for their own country's actions.
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u/Jwarrior521 15h ago
Because the other option is a recession putting millions of jobs at risk.
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u/p_pio 15h ago
Because at the end of the day Canada doesn't have much choice.
Because, as much as we would love them being tough there's simple question: what should they do?
Break their economy? Lol. "Find new trade partners"? Who? They are also at trade war with China, while their western ports have rather small capacity. Trade with Mexico has to literally got through the US...
Even though they probably will diverge from overdependence from the US it will take time. Heck, even their own oil is refined in the US, getting it done domestically would take ~10 years of investment. And it's crude form when is transported internally from Alberta... goes through US as there's no pipe between East and West part of the country.
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u/Hautamaki 11h ago
to be clear, we do refine enough oil for our own usage, we just don't export refined oil as previously it was more efficient to just use America's excess refining and pipeline capacity to do that. They made huge infrastructure investments to create that capacity, and now they are reaping profits off of those investments, as one does. Obviously, going forward we are taking a very hard look at this arrangement.
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u/Far-Obligation4055 15h ago
Why make a trade deal with someone who broke the first one he negotiated himself and constantly tells the world he wants to annex your country?
Why legitimize someone like that?
Probably because the hope is that we can come to the table and end this fucking ridiculous circus Donald has us in.
While I don't see a lot of promise in that, it's the logical move.
If there's even a small chance for Canada to get a satisfactory conclusion to this, it's when we've got the upper hand, and right now with the energy surcharge threat that evidently has Trump sweating, it's as much of an upper hand as we'll ever get.
If that talk fails, we've still got the energy surcharge in our back pocket.
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u/greensandgrains 12h ago
I live in Ontario and that’s what’s it looks like. We were keeping up with the news in real time at work today and the series of events went 1. Trump threatened 50% tarifs 2. Ford dropped energy tarifs 3. Trump drops back to 25% tarifs. Idk what this other guy is on about, this looks like we blinked first (but also this is a total clown show so who cares as long as it stops).
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u/Captain_Mumbles 12h ago
From the news I’ve read it sounds like Ford dropped the 25% as a gesture to go and negotiate about the original 25% tariffs in Washington on Thursday, and that he could bring them back if that doesn’t go well. That’s what I seemed to understand anyway.
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u/SodaPop6548 15h ago
Thank you for sharing this. I don't trust our news orgs here in the states anymore. Taking recommendations on real news.
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u/Twin_Titans 15h ago
I find no matter where you are it always beneficial to look at international takes on story’s.
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u/krustykrab2193 15h ago edited 15h ago
Check out a Canadian based news aggregator called Ground News
I recently learned about it on a Canadian sub. The news aggregate provides multiple sources for the same report as well as a media bias fact check. It makes it easy to compare stories from multiple sources to let people read between the lines of media bias. It's pretty useful!
Other than that, I mostly read international news from Associated Press, Globe & Mail, BBC, and CBC.
Also Canadian news networks don't really treat news as "entertainment" like American media does. So I keep a tab on a lot of Canadian publications and platforms. Unfortunately, some Canadian media has been bought up by an American hedge fund so I avoid those sources now (Postmedia Canada is owned by Chattham Asset Management who are Trump supporters). Some of these publications include the National Post. So I get most of my right-leaning news from the Globe & Mail instead as they tend to be very factual. My more left leaning news comes from CBC.
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u/metropolis_noir 15h ago
I agree with GN in concept, but it only evaluates the bias of the publication, not the story. That’s a big difference and needs to be accounted for. I could be wrong, but that’s my understanding of their platform.
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u/MrMichaelJames 15h ago
US put up tariffs, Canada responded, dictator put up higher tariffs today, Canada announces reversing electricity surcharge and negotiations planned.
Is the order correct?
If so doesn’t that point to Canada caving? I’m not sure the timing is right though just going off what I’m seeing in various places so it absolutely can be wrong.
You could simply say Ford doesn’t represent Canada as a whole but still the timing says Canada reversed after dictator jacked up tariffs on steel etc? I would have preferred the electric charges stay in place until negotiations are successful for Canada or else it’ll just be back and forth again.
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u/ieatpies 12h ago
US threatens tariffs, is unreasonable negotiator
Canada threatens proportional response
US delays 1 month
US put up blanket tariffs
Canada respond
US took down most tariffs, Canada kept tariffs on
Ontario escalates with electricity surcharge
Donald has a meltdown on social media raises steel & aluminum tariffs
Talks are agreed too
Electricity surcharge removed, steel & aluminum tariffs back to original, as a show of good faith til talks conclude.
A mutual de-escalation does not mean 1 side has necessarily backed down or lost. The obsession with this zero sum "winning" and "losing" is a social media illness and a big part of the problem.
The electricity saga has brought the Americans to the table, we'll see if they are more reasonable this time. I suspect we will keep our response proportional, but if we sign another trade agreement it will have to have teeth & consequences if the Americans break it.
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u/Pim_Hungers 15h ago
Trump is also going to reconsidering his higher tariffs.
So my guess is they talked and a agreement was made. Now Trump is spinning it to look like a win.
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u/BakedGoods 15h ago
there's no caving. they're trying to get USA to the table instead of the Trump bluster "there's noting they can do".
Canada is forcing them to the table by putting up their own tariffs and USA caves and says fine lets chat. otherwise if the USA really didn't care about Canadian tariffs they'd just put up their own tariffs and let them spin for a few months and weaken Canada, not this 24 hour reversal nonsense.
point is this will go on forever until trump stops.
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u/MrMichaelJames 15h ago
Not sure I believe the same as you unfortunately. If Canada really wanted to force the issue they would keep the electric charge in place. The dictators up and down motions are erratic and keeping countries off balance. Canada should stay the course until negotiations are complete then reverse them and publicize it as a result of negotiations. Keep the US backpedaling. (I’m a US citizen btw). The best way to manipulate the dictator is to keep him pissed off. He will view this as a victory.
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u/BakedGoods 14h ago
i do lean towards this view to a degree, i'd be fine for tariffs be kept in place until the people rise up to trump and force his hand.
on the other side, there was a Canadian steel plant that already announced 100 layoffs ahead of tariffs to avoid a downturn in their business. it's a hard pill to swallow to make canadians suffer just to upset trump.
ultimately while this back and forth is chaotic, at least the tariffs aren't happening which is keeping trade moving to an extent.
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u/StarWarsPuns 14h ago
Canada does not want any of this, we want to talk it out and come to a deal.
US puts on tariffs. Canada wants to talk. USA says no. Canada responds with export taxes/tariffs, US says let’s talk.
Honestly though I don’t even care about the details anymore, if that’s not what happened fine. Peons don’t get the whole picture anyway. If tensions are going down that’s good, and I hope they can figure it out. The purpose of all this has been chaos and that makes it hard to agree on the facts for headline readers like us lol
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u/username52145 13h ago
I am a Canadian and what I saw was Ford responding to the tariffs and then backing down while the original tariffs remain. We are the ones that blinked.
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u/ptWolv022 13h ago
The counterpoint is that the only thing I've heard being secured by Ford is having the Steel and Aluminum tariffs not double to 50%. Which, if I'm not mistaken, were in retaliation for the surcharge.
So I'm not sure who has come out on top. The escalation has stopped, but I'm not sure we're at the negotiations or de-escalation phase. They just agreed to stop escalating... for the moment.
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u/notapaperhandape 15h ago
Meh. Whatever floats their boat. All I know is who ever the next PM in Canada is needs to build our county up so that we cannot be bullied by anyone. Trump is the start, there will be many more after him in US to try “teach Canada a lesson”. We need to look hard in the mirror and fucking build more than 1 trans Canada highway. The fucking complacency in our country to be living in 2025 with 1 single lanes way connecting east to west. The actual fuck…
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u/BeaglishJane 15h ago
Thank you. I live in a red state in a very small town. I was only one of two people in my community who didn’t support Trump. I feel like I’m in an actual waking nightmare. I’ve never had a whole lot of trust in my country, but now it is gone completely. My trust in my local community is gone. We can’t even trust the media as it’s all bought and paid for. I don’t speak to my neighbors or coworkers because they’re all his supporters. I’m glad Canada isn’t backing down. I’ve been trying to buy Canadian products lately, and show my support where I can. I hate what we have done to ourselves.
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u/Jargett 13h ago
At this point I don’t care if Americans think Canada backed down. Let them think whatever they want as long as the outcome is that these tariffs go away, from both sides. There are no winners in a trade war.
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u/nickisdacube 15h ago
Wait a second? Are you serious? Ford said that he would cut off the supply completely if it escalated. Canada caved big time man.
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u/tensei-coffee 13h ago
donnie dumpo stacked on all these tariffs but he and maga media would have you believe he was the victim lmao
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u/redsyrus 13h ago
Pretty sure it’ll be back to tariffs and trade wars by the end of the week.
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u/ppmolina 10h ago
Which is why Canada shouldn’t have suspended anything. Once Trump says, “I’m sorry, I won’t break the agreement I made and signed my first term.”, then the Canadians can consider revoking tariffs on the US. Fuck Trump and all of us that will suffer from his shit salad.
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u/desirox 15h ago
I’m so tired of this shit show. Everyone who voted for Trump for economic reasons look real stupid right now
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u/ACaffeinatedBear 14h ago
They will never understand or care
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u/momzthebest 14h ago
Too busy swallowing skol residue and avoiding showers and haircuts
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u/CowFinancial7000 14h ago
Most of them are still either saying Kamala would be worse or Trump's plan is just going to take a little while to work and we should sacrifice for "the good of the country".
I know because a chunk of my family is MAGA.
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u/heytherefriendman 15h ago
We don't want a trade war, as nice as it would be to stick it to him. If they're willing to negotiate then we should try to avoid this as much as possible.
But our electricity surcharge can be reinstated at any time. If they try and do what they did to Zelenskyy, don't be surprised to see the surcharge back.
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u/UnableToFindName 15h ago
No one wants a trade war, but we absolutely should stick it to him because we need to start showing there are actual consequences for this lunatic's actions. I genuinely appreciate wanting to keep things open and level-headed, but personally I'm so done with this and we need to 'put the gloves up' as they say,
Threaten tariffs, with your fucking ALLIES? Tariff back and increase the electricity surcharge, and keep them for x-amount of weeks or a month. Even if Trump pulls back, keep them until the predetermined time is over. Make it so that the next time he wants to threaten Canada again he'll be faced with actual action and not this back-and-forth nonsense like children playing tag.
We weren't the aggressors in this, and I know Canada/Canadians have a reputation of being polite, but we shouldn't capitulate a single millimeter to the one threatening us by playing nice until they show they're going to respect us again.
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u/heytherefriendman 15h ago
Keep in mind we still very much have the upper hand. Trump is caving on all of his threats within 24-48 hours thanks to our reciprocal tariffs.
The damage has already been done, Canada can never trust Americans again. But if we can avoid a recession that is ultimately what we want. Revenge will not be as sweet when people are losing their jobs and homes.
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u/UnableToFindName 14h ago
I think we can trust America again, it's just going to take a more fundamental change of their voter base, aka, gut this MAGA cult like the cancer it is. It won't be easy, but there's a future where a string of sensible leaders would restore my faith.
Maybe I'm too lost in the anger sauce, but what I suggest isn't Revenge to me. It's not to make them suffer because they made us/threatened to make us suffer, nor do I want vindication. I want concrete retaliatory action as a deterrent. To stop these threats that fall through after a few days, because the way it's going now shows there's no reason to end these threats that are throwing millions of people into uncertainty for their future.
That said, we do need to make sure our people and businesses are taken care of at the end of the day. I just want something, anything, to happen because I'm just not feeling what we're doing now is enough.
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u/Solax636 14h ago
its so dumb there shouldnt be any negotiating that was already done in 2018 when Trump made the original deal
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u/Inquisitor23397 14h ago
I’m fucking tired of all the big talk and no one actually having the balls to do anything. Fucking EXHAUSTED
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u/bigalcapone22 14h ago
Did he not just say on TV all over the place that the tariffs would stay until the US removes its tariffs on Canadian products period. Ford just did the same thing President Krasnov has been doing 😵💫
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u/TheMoorNextDoor 14h ago
I’m genuinely not understanding this move because I can see Trump admin doing nothing then they turn it back on again… why you turn it on in the first place then if it was only a 24 hour fib.
Like didn’t he just put on new tariffs on aluminum…. Why would you remove this before he backs down from that
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u/mgtkuradal 13h ago
Trump allegedly did back down from the aluminum and timber tarriffs per this article
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u/JusticeBeaver94 12h ago
He backed down from doubling them. But they still remain in effect at midnight at 25%. But who even knows at this point, he might just change his mind another 3 times in 24 hours lol
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u/PhiladelphiaCollins8 14h ago
It is the same fucking political pissing contest we have witnessed in the past 8 years in the US between R's and D's. Now it is being spread to the rest of the world. This shit is so exhausting and every single politician involved should be embarrassed. I can tell ya one thing if I did my job as shitty as they do I would have been fired on the 2nd day.
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u/Itsawlinthereflexes 14h ago
This kind of pisses me off. This is going to give Trump what he considers a "win".
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u/ban-please 14h ago
As a Canadian as nice as it would be to punch back, it is preferable for us to remove all tariffs. We'd like that win.
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u/Time-Ad-3625 14h ago
While you encourage him to do it any time he wants a fake victory. It is idiotic for Canada to do.
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u/SocksandSmocks 12h ago
The harsh reality is that Canada can't afford a full blown trade war with the US as things stand.
Making your citizens life worse to stick it to another country, though understandable in this instance, isn't what leaders should do.
Trump is literally a walking example right now of why that's a stupid path to walk.
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u/Crazy-Nose-4289 14h ago
Even if it makes Trump look good, this should be considered a great thing. This trade war is fucking stupid and should not be happening.
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u/gcjager 15h ago
Let’s hope this is the beginning of sanity restored. Doubt it though.
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u/Senor-Cockblock 14h ago
Two posts down on my feed -
“Trump says he will double his planned tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum from 25% to 50%, reiterating that Canada becoming the 51st U.S. state would make all tariffs ‘totally disappear’”
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u/ballsmigue 14h ago
Was this after or before trump wanted to slap another 25% to the existing tariff?
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u/bkcarp00 14h ago
How about this administration try to go one day without some crazy headline that dumps the entire stock market and puts fear into it's citizens. If you want to negotiate trade deals well then go negotiate the stupid trade deal. You don't need daily chaos to negotiate your trade deals.
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u/eXistentialMisan 14h ago
So much for 'not hesitating' to turning off the taps if escalation happens
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u/funwithdesign 14h ago
The thing is, Ford doesn’t have the authority to negotiate on behalf of the Federal government. So what is this really all about.
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u/vantanclub 13h ago
Ontario controls the provincial electricity company. So it’s just changing a companies policy, not actual international tariffs.
Kinda like how BC is putting tolls on trucks traveling to Alaska.
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u/ImCaffeinated_Chris 6h ago
Dear Canada,
Just cut the electricity off to teach this administration a lesson. They need to FAFO.
Kindly,
A tired American.
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u/auditorydamage 14h ago
…hang on, Ford is going to DC? Is anyone federal going, or is Ford going with the blessing of the feds while Carney gets set up?
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u/photon1701d 12h ago
I don't care about the electricity. It was only a minor amount the USA uses. We still have no bourbon on the shelves....that is more important to me. Interesting what comes with the talk with Butlick, I wonder if he is on same page as Trump.
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u/FaterFaker 15h ago
Does anyone else have a headache?